Activate your lats

howellhandmadehowellhandmade Members Posts: 720 ✭✭
Listening to Sirius golf radio this afternoon on the way to the course, I think maybe Inside the Ropes, when one of the commentators offered that most amateurs play from the front of their bodies (pecs, quads) while most pros play from the backs of their bodies. He said everybody had fun with Tiger's glutes not firing, but, just for grins, try playing with the thought of activating your lats.



I thought, what the ****, and played the front nine of my course in even par, two birdies, one double (after a flushed five iron flew the green and left an unstoppable pitch back down). Which might not be all that momentous except that I'm an 11, never shot close to par before. Every single impact felt solid and heavy, every iron flew more or less straight, wedges were dead on.. Now, it's quite possible that this feeling will evaporate tomorrow, but if I suck it won't be because I didn't activate my lats.



Maybe worth a try.
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  • ebrasmus21ebrasmus21 Serial Shanker Members Posts: 5,184 ✭✭
    The thread I started about swinging harder is a similar thought. The other day I had a hard practice swing where it felt like I got a stretch in my lat.



    That has kind of been my swing thought the last two rounds and off the tee I’ve been much more powerful and accurate these last two rounds.
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  • BB28403BB28403 Members Posts: 3,171 ✭✭
    Front, Back... you have muscles. Either use them or don't. You can google an Anatomy diagram. Strengthen and elastize them all for a better golf game.
  • SaskwatchSaskwatch Putting From The RoughMembers Posts: 533 ✭✭
    BB28403 wrote:


    Front, Back... you have muscles. Either use them or don't. You can google an Anatomy diagram. Strengthen and elastize them all for a better golf game.




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  • 3eagles183eagles18 Posts: 913 ✭✭


    Listening to Sirius golf radio this afternoon on the way to the course, I think maybe Inside the Ropes, when one of the commentators offered that most amateurs play from the front of their bodies (pecs, quads) while most pros play from the backs of their bodies. He said everybody had fun with Tiger's glutes not firing, but, just for grins, try playing with the thought of activating your lats.



    I thought, what the ****, and played the front nine of my course in even par, two birdies, one double (after a flushed five iron flew the green and left an unstoppable pitch back down). Which might not be all that momentous except that I'm an 11, never shot close to par before. Every single impact felt solid and heavy, every iron flew more or less straight, wedges were dead on.. Now, it's quite possible that this feeling will evaporate tomorrow, but if I suck it won't be because I didn't activate my lats.



    Maybe worth a try.








    Read your post (thank you) and searched YouTube. Tried a few swings in my swing room. Hopped in my cart and out to the course under the moonlight. Felt great. Filled my divots and back home Can't wait to head to the range and play tomorrow. P.S. My wife thinks I'm nuts.
  • howellhandmadehowellhandmade Members Posts: 720 ✭✭
    3eagles18 wrote:



    Listening to Sirius golf radio this afternoon on the way to the course, I think maybe Inside the Ropes, when one of the commentators offered that most amateurs play from the front of their bodies (pecs, quads) while most pros play from the backs of their bodies. He said everybody had fun with Tiger's glutes not firing, but, just for grins, try playing with the thought of activating your lats.



    I thought, what the ****, and played the front nine of my course in even par, two birdies, one double (after a flushed five iron flew the green and left an unstoppable pitch back down). Which might not be all that momentous except that I'm an 11, never shot close to par before. Every single impact felt solid and heavy, every iron flew more or less straight, wedges were dead on.. Now, it's quite possible that this feeling will evaporate tomorrow, but if I suck it won't be because I didn't activate my lats.



    Maybe worth a try.








    Read your post (thank you) and searched YouTube. Tried a few swings in my swing room. Hopped in my cart and out to the course under the moonlight. Felt great. Filled my divots and back home Can't wait to head to the range and play tomorrow. P.S. My wife thinks I'm nuts.




    I'm envious; that is exactly how I'd behave if I had a swing room and lived in a golf community that let me do that -- or owned my own golf course.
  • Boris2016Boris2016 Banned Posts: 38
    If anyone has an ounce of sense, they will read this post again and again, and accept it as gospel. You get more power and consistency from using the muscles to the rear of your torso, not the front. I have known that from day one, my golf coach in college preached that. Surprised, this is not common knowledge.



    You can hit balls for hours and get lessons from every pro under the sun, if you are not using the right muscle groups, you are wasting your time.



    This is a great post, one of the best. Golf is so simple, it is made difficult so you will buy more miracle clubs and pay these so called golf instructors ridiculous fees. It is hysterical.



    This poster deserves a lot of credit. He gets it, question is will you?



    Boris
  • white03white03 Members Posts: 693 ✭✭
    interesting, never heard much talk about lats in the golf swing
  • mfm22mfm22 Members Posts: 888 ✭✭
    edited Jul 4, 2018 #9
    Makes sense , lats are huge in baseball swing. I'd have to be sure to get weight left otherwise it'd be OTT city
  • ebrasmus21ebrasmus21 Serial Shanker Members Posts: 5,184 ✭✭
    Try doing a practice backswing where the only goal is getting the feeling of a stretch in the lat and then use that stretched feeling to start the downswing. It feels like a powerful move - at least to me it does.
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  • moehoganmoehogan Members Posts: 1,025 ✭✭
    edited Jul 4, 2018 #11
    ebrasmus21 wrote:


    Try doing a practice backswing where the only goal is getting the feeling of a stretch in the lat and then use that stretched feeling to start the downswing. It feels like a powerful move - at least to me it does.




    Stumbled on the BS loading and transition feels of the lead lat many years ago. The real light bulb for me was figuring out how the trail lat was also engaged by the winding of the trail arm in transition and the DS.
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  • ebrasmus21ebrasmus21 Serial Shanker Members Posts: 5,184 ✭✭
    moehogan wrote:

    ebrasmus21 wrote:


    Try doing a practice backswing where the only goal is getting the feeling of a stretch in the lat and then use that stretched feeling to start the downswing. It feels like a powerful move - at least to me it does.




    Stumbled on the BS loading and transition feels of the lead lat many years ago. The real light bulb for me was figuring out how the trail lat was also engaged by the winding of the trail arm in transition and the DS.




    Could you expand on this idea please?
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  • TeetoogrnTeetoogrn Posts: 135 ✭✭
    Isn't this basically the GG "let the left hip" start the downswing move? I've started using that swing thought with a focus on side bend and my irons are straighter and more consistently hit flush. I guess everyone has their own 'key' swing thought..
  • moehoganmoehogan Members Posts: 1,025 ✭✭
    edited Jul 4, 2018 #14
    ebrasmus21 wrote:

    moehogan wrote:

    ebrasmus21 wrote:


    Try doing a practice backswing where the only goal is getting the feeling of a stretch in the lat and then use that stretched feeling to start the downswing. It feels like a powerful move - at least to me it does.




    Stumbled on the BS loading and transition feels of the lead lat many years ago. The real light bulb for me was figuring out how the trail lat was also engaged by the winding of the trail arm in transition and the DS.




    Could you expand on this idea please?




    The release of the stretched lead lat in transition helps get the DS going if one has the proper tilts. By winding the right arm (for a righthander) CLOCKWISE in transition, the resultant external shoulder rotation unifies the upper right arm with the right upper torso and engages the right lat. This enables the entire synced right side to deliver a body blow.



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  • ebrasmus21ebrasmus21 Serial Shanker Members Posts: 5,184 ✭✭
    moehogan wrote:

    ebrasmus21 wrote:

    moehogan wrote:

    ebrasmus21 wrote:


    Try doing a practice backswing where the only goal is getting the feeling of a stretch in the lat and then use that stretched feeling to start the downswing. It feels like a powerful move - at least to me it does.




    Stumbled on the BS loading and transition feels of the lead lat many years ago. The real light bulb for me was figuring out how the trail lat was also engaged by the winding of the trail arm in transition and the DS.




    Could you expand on this idea please?




    The release of the stretched lead lat in transition helps get the DS going if one has the proper tilts. By winding the right arm (for a righthander) CLOCKWISE in transition, the resultant external shoulder rotation unifies the upper right arm with the right upper torso and engages the right lat. This enables the entire synced right side to deliver a body blow.



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    Interesting. Just reading what you wrote I’m going to have to give it a go because the concept isn’t quite clicking with me.
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  • Singapore JoeSingapore Joe Major? Winner? Posts: 1,597
    The dog looks at me like I'm crazy (he may be right) but here I am doing golf swings without a club in the living room. You guys may indeed be into something! Will need to take this to the range on the weekend. Feels very stable in the upper body but I need to work on the hip setup to make sure the tail bone is "tucked under" (like in yoga mountain pose - then bend down to the address) so that the hip doesn't move sideways.



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  • mfm22mfm22 Members Posts: 888 ✭✭
    edited Jul 6, 2018 #17
    Moe



    "The release of the stretched lead lat in transition helps get the DS going if one has the proper tilts. By winding the right arm (for a righthander) CLOCKWISE in transition,"



    This Clockwise rotation helps Flatten shaft and brings the right elbow into body ?
  • moehoganmoehogan Members Posts: 1,025 ✭✭
    mfm22 wrote:


    Moe



    "The release of the stretched lead lat in transition helps get the DS going if one has the proper tilts. By winding the right arm (for a righthander) CLOCKWISE in transition,"



    This Clockwise rotation helps Flatten shaft and brings the right elbow into body ?




    Exactly!
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  • Boris2016Boris2016 Banned Posts: 38
    I will say this again. This is the best post to appear here in years. You can take lesson and lesson, do drill after drill, and buy club after club,but if you are not using the right muscle groups, it is a waste of time. Pros do swing from the back, and many amateurs swing from the front. I learned about the back from a golf coach in my college days and it stuck with me.



    Take what the original poster said very seriously. This is something you will seldom here, and most golf instructors themselves do not know this or understand this. Put this concept to work, you will see immediate results after a few swings, and then you will wonder why you never did this before
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    Listening to Sirius golf radio this afternoon on the way to the course, I think maybe Inside the Ropes, when one of the commentators offered that most amateurs play from the front of their bodies (pecs, quads) while most pros play from the backs of their bodies. He said everybody had fun with Tiger's glutes not firing, but, just for grins, try playing with the thought of activating your lats.



    I thought, what the ****, and played the front nine of my course in even par, two birdies, one double (after a flushed five iron flew the green and left an unstoppable pitch back down). Which might not be all that momentous except that I'm an 11, never shot close to par before. Every single impact felt solid and heavy, every iron flew more or less straight, wedges were dead on.. Now, it's quite possible that this feeling will evaporate tomorrow, but if I suck it won't be because I didn't activate my lats.



    Maybe worth a try.




    Great stuff. I am a low-mid single digit player. I played yesterday and thought about your post. I focused every shot on my left lat. On the backswing, I would feel the stretch, then on the downswing, focus on that left lat. I was flushing my irons. I was even doing it on 50 yard pitches. I believe it is a great swing thought because if I focus on firing my left lat, I accelerate through the shot and finish in a much better position. Really improves impact position. Thanks for posting it! Play from the back, not the front. Absolutely brilliant.
  • ebrasmus21ebrasmus21 Serial Shanker Members Posts: 5,184 ✭✭
    This has been a great thread. One of the better to come down the pike lately.



    The left lat swing thought along with swinging hard have given me some wonderful results this last week.
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  • Daniel EasonDaniel Eason Members Posts: 1,749 ✭✭
    edited Jul 11, 2018 #23
    This is a good post, thinking this is why im so Poor at Left side bend in my backswing....i just turn and get flat with my arms.



    Its so frustrating when I see a swing super deep and arms.



    I'd assume lats are the stabiliser?
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  • BarfolomewBarfolomew #worstWRXer Members Posts: 1,216 ✭✭
    Totally agree with ya OP.....Getting the back actively involved lets you turn and turn with power and accuracy....Hoffman is a good visual
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  • Singapore JoeSingapore Joe Major? Winner? Posts: 1,597
    Been working on this for a few range sessions and one round now. The range sessions for short/mid irons and hybrids/5wood are great, long irons not behaving that well. Not gaining much (read: any) distance but the accuracy sees immediate improvement. What I can tell from my shadow is that the head stays really still. The balls go dead straight now, and having been used to a specific shot shape I need to revise my aiming a fair bit. Only played one round and wa really tired (too much sports!) so the swing was poor. Will try again today after having a recovery day yesterday.
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  • Tanner25Tanner25 Members Posts: 6,177 ✭✭
    I get the lat stretch on the backswing, what do you do on the downswing?



    Also, Dan Whittaker once told me to stretch the lat going back and swing from the ground up, through the left side. Never did make it work. But, it sounds like it should.
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    How do you stretch the last?
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  • ebrasmus21ebrasmus21 Serial Shanker Members Posts: 5,184 ✭✭
    Tanner25 wrote:


    I get the lat stretch on the backswing, what do you do on the downswing?



    Also, Dan Whittaker once told me to stretch the lat going back and swing from the ground up, through the left side. Never did make it work. But, it sounds like it should.




    Once I get the stretched feeling I try to feel like my contracting my lat to start the downswing. Curious to hear what others do.
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  • Tanner25Tanner25 Members Posts: 6,177 ✭✭
    ebrasmus21 wrote:

    Tanner25 wrote:


    I get the lat stretch on the backswing, what do you do on the downswing?



    Also, Dan Whittaker once told me to stretch the lat going back and swing from the ground up, through the left side. Never did make it work. But, it sounds like it should.




    Once I get the stretched feeling I try to feel like my contracting my lat to start the downswing. Curious to hear what others do.




    Not sure what you mean, an unwinding of the lat?
  • Hilts1969Hilts1969 Members Posts: 1,002 ✭✭
    Interesting topic but lacking any actual detail on how to do it.
  • Chris_PChris_P Members Posts: 31
    edited Jul 12, 2018 #31


    Listening to Sirius golf radio this afternoon on the way to the course, I think maybe Inside the Ropes, when one of the commentators offered that most amateurs play from the front of their bodies (pecs, quads) while most pros play from the backs of their bodies. He said everybody had fun with Tiger's glutes not firing, but, just for grins, try playing with the thought of activating your lats.



    I thought, what the ****, and played the front nine of my course in even par, two birdies, one double (after a flushed five iron flew the green and left an unstoppable pitch back down). Which might not be all that momentous except that I'm an 11, never shot close to par before. Every single impact felt solid and heavy, every iron flew more or less straight, wedges were dead on.. Now, it's quite possible that this feeling will evaporate tomorrow, but if I suck it won't be because I didn't activate my lats.



    Maybe worth a try.




    Love it! I had been struggling all year after our 7 month winter and finally last week on the range i started playing around with my balance in the swing.



    For me and I assume most of you this means:
    1. Soften your legs with both heels and toes on the ground, back flat & straight, until you feel your glutes activate. (Your glutes come into play when squatting with weight in your heels)- test this out: squat on your toes and you will not feel your glutes! all quads
    2. Freeze your leg position and adjust the tilt of your flat straight back as appropriate to deliver the club to the starting position.


    Then I concentrated on keeping my glutes in play for most of the swing.



    For me I improved 6 shots(47 to 41) the next day, just working on repeat-ability now because this is exactly what I needed. My new swing thought is butt-back-swing... GL!
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