Wilson staff dynapower clubs date

PicoletrayPicoletray Members Posts: 4
Does anyone know what year these were created? They're a former PGA set Don Bies used, possibly used when he beat Arnold Palmer in Match play, so the story goes. I found he did, in fact, best him in match play '72. I could not find these on ironfinder eBay or other vintage sites. The seller was not certain that these were the clubs... Bies had many sets.

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  • jslane57jslane57 Members Posts: 3,929 ✭✭
    Good looking clubs! I'd guess either 1971 or 1972. They look just like the button back dynapower irons from those years, but without the button back. It might be possible that they custom made this set without the button backs for Don Bies...
  • baloobaloo A Person Members Posts: 1,079 ✭✭
    jslane57 wrote:


    Good looking clubs! I'd guess either 1971 or 1972. They look just like the button back dynapower irons from those years, but without the button back. It might be possible that they custom made this set without the button backs for Don Bies...




    This is exactly what I thought when I saw them. I have a set of custom 75' dynapowers that don't have the circular port near the toe like the regular model.
    Driver, 3W, 4W - Macgregor Custom Tourney
    2-10 - 1954 Spalding Synchro Dyned
    SW - Wilson Staff
    Putter - Bullseye
    Ball - Pro Plus

    YT Channel - https://www.youtube....PlayVintageGolf
  • PicoletrayPicoletray Members Posts: 4
    edited Jul 5, 2018 #4
    jslane57 wrote:


    Good looking clubs! I'd guess either 1971 or 1972. They look just like the button back dynapower irons from those years, but without the button back. It might be possible that they custom made this set without the button backs for Don Bies...

    baloo wrote:

    jslane57 wrote:


    Good looking clubs! I'd guess either 1971 or 1972. They look just like the button back dynapower irons from those years, but without the button back. It might be possible that they custom made this set without the button backs for Don Bies...




    This is exactly what I thought when I saw them. I have a set of custom 75' dynapowers that don't have the circular port near the toe like the regular model.



    baloo wrote:

    jslane57 wrote:


    Good looking clubs! I'd guess either 1971 or 1972. They look just like the button back dynapower irons from those years, but without the button back. It might be possible that they custom made this set without the button backs for Don Bies...




    This is exactly what I thought when I saw them. I have a set of custom 75' dynapowers that don't have the circular port near the toe like the regular model.




    The seller did mention the 8-PW Were factory ground to have the same straight top ridge as the rest. They look perfect, no way to tell they were ever ground. They do look exactly like the button back now that you mention it. Thanks. I'd say mystery solved!
  • BIG STUBIG STU Members Posts: 11,166 ✭✭
    They are definitely out of the custom shop. That L-461 number on the back means something. Rex or Birly Shirley may chime in and tell you for sure--- Both of them are up on that stuff
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    FW Adams Tight Lies 16* Diamana Reg
    Irons 3 thru 9 KZG Kyoei Forged CB 1st generation Swing Science 400 Graphite Senior flex
    PW Cleveland Special 588 45* bent to 47* Stock Cleveland Steel Shaft
    SW Cleveland 588 56* DG Sensicore S-300 ( old dependable)
    Putter- 1997 Scotty Cameron Santa Fe Bulls Eye fluted shaft rusty and lead taped as heck named "Rusty"
    Bag-- Jones Classic non stand
    Founding Father of Outlaw Golf Association member #1---- Play what you want **** the USGA & R&A
    Redneck Hippie Golf When the Tailgate drops the BS Stops
    Vintage
    Toney Penna Model 1 Aldila HM-40
    3&4 woods Macgregor DX Keyhole steel TT R
    Irons 2 thru 9 1954 Hogan Precision TT green or 1980 Macgregor VIP 3 thru PW Hogan Apex #2 shafts " The famous Bastardized Macs"
    PW Hogan White Cameo 50* Hogan Apex Wedge
    SW Macgregor LRA 56* S-400 DJ Special-- Will rotate out when old dependable does not behave
    Putter ( subject to change) Lil David 8802
    Bag Old School Power Bilt orange mini staff
  • PicoletrayPicoletray Members Posts: 4
    BIG STU wrote:


    They are definitely out of the custom shop. That L-461 number on the back means something. Rex or Birly Shirley may chime in and tell you for sure--- Both of them are up on that stuff




    That's actually E-461.
  • rex235rex235 ClubWRX Posts: 3,962 ClubWRX
    Picole-



    Very nice set of Wilson Staff Dynapower irons! The '71-72 "Buttonback" grind was one of the most popular Dynapower grinds ever.



    As most of you know, not all custom work is identified by number, or by name.



    The number you give, E-461, would have been listed in the Wilson Staff Dynapower Custom grind numbers, which were contained in a series of 3 ring binders.



    To my knowledge, these binders had nearly every custom listing done by Wilson Staff since their inception in the late 40s/early '50s.



    The custom binders may have been started by Master grinder Robert Mendralla Sr., (RIP) "..but as of 2014, due to retirements and employee turnover in their custom department, Wilson Golf closed this department to the public. It was a corporate decision."



    (Yes, I called and asked, and this was Wilson's response.)



    The current location of the Wilson custom 3 ring binders is not known, but it has been surmised they were given to Robert Mendralla Jr.



    They might tell you at Wilson Demo day, but most likely, they won't know.
  • semper76fisemper76fi Members Posts: 22
    The type of shaft would give a good indication of what year they were made. Very nice clubs.
  • PicoletrayPicoletray Members Posts: 4
    No labels on the shafts. They're in excellent condition, same as the grip-rite grips. They feel like a heavy weight shaft. The heads are tiny compared to modern clubs. But yeah, those binders full of clubs, too bad they're not available.
  • BIG STUBIG STU Members Posts: 11,166 ✭✭
    rex235 wrote:


    Picole-



    Very nice set of Wilson Staff Dynapower irons! The '71-72 "Buttonback" grind was one of the most popular Dynapower grinds ever.



    As most of you know, not all custom work is identified by number, or by name.



    The number you give, E-461, would have been listed in the Wilson Staff Dynapower Custom grind numbers, which were contained in a series of 3 ring binders.



    To my knowledge, these binders had nearly every custom listing done by Wilson Staff since their inception in the late 40s/early '50s.



    The custom binders may have been started by Master grinder Robert Mendralla Sr., (RIP) "..but as of 2014, due to retirements and employee turnover in their custom department, Wilson Golf closed this department to the public. It was a corporate decision."



    (Yes, I called and asked, and this was Wilson's response.)



    The current location of the Wilson custom 3 ring binders is not known, but it has been surmised they were given to Robert Mendralla Jr.



    They might tell you at Wilson Demo day, but most likely, they won't know.
    Like I told him I knew you would have the "411" on those heads image/taunt.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':taunt:' />
    Driver: Homna G1-X Homna stock Regular shaft
    FW Adams Tight Lies 16* Diamana Reg
    Irons 3 thru 9 KZG Kyoei Forged CB 1st generation Swing Science 400 Graphite Senior flex
    PW Cleveland Special 588 45* bent to 47* Stock Cleveland Steel Shaft
    SW Cleveland 588 56* DG Sensicore S-300 ( old dependable)
    Putter- 1997 Scotty Cameron Santa Fe Bulls Eye fluted shaft rusty and lead taped as heck named "Rusty"
    Bag-- Jones Classic non stand
    Founding Father of Outlaw Golf Association member #1---- Play what you want **** the USGA & R&A
    Redneck Hippie Golf When the Tailgate drops the BS Stops
    Vintage
    Toney Penna Model 1 Aldila HM-40
    3&4 woods Macgregor DX Keyhole steel TT R
    Irons 2 thru 9 1954 Hogan Precision TT green or 1980 Macgregor VIP 3 thru PW Hogan Apex #2 shafts " The famous Bastardized Macs"
    PW Hogan White Cameo 50* Hogan Apex Wedge
    SW Macgregor LRA 56* S-400 DJ Special-- Will rotate out when old dependable does not behave
    Putter ( subject to change) Lil David 8802
    Bag Old School Power Bilt orange mini staff
  • rex235rex235 ClubWRX Posts: 3,962 ClubWRX
    edited Sep 1, 2018 #11
    Stu-



    Thanks to Freddie-



    Larry Bobka (Check out his Wrxcast a few moons ago) did confirm the existence of the 3 ring binders last year by email.



    He also gave me the name of the person who most likely ground Sir Bob Charles irons when he was with Wilson Staff 30 years ago.
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  • bobcam777bobcam777 Members Posts: 6
    Suggestions for selling Wilson Staff Dynapower JV vintage blades.



    Seeking advise on whether I should try to pay your non-member fees in your classified section. Which fees? Are these vintage clubs worth the effort. I may just post for ebay auction starting at $49 for 10 clubs starting this weekend which is only $5 per club. These are not red dot, black dot, fluid field nor turf rider. I call them JV model. Is that correct? What year manufactured? The grips for 8 of 10 clubs are new so this is playable not just for collectors.

    Thank you for your feedback.

    Attached are two photos



  • baloobaloo A Person Members Posts: 1,079 ✭✭
    bobcam777 wrote:


    Suggestions for selling Wilson Staff Dynapower JV vintage blades.



    Seeking advise on whether I should try to pay your non-member fees in your classified section. Which fees? Are these vintage clubs worth the effort. I may just post for ebay auction starting at $49 for 10 clubs starting this weekend which is only $5 per club. These are not red dot, black dot, fluid field nor turf rider. I call them JV model. Is that correct? What year manufactured? The grips for 8 of 10 clubs are new so this is playable not just for collectors.

    Thank you for your feedback.

    Attached are two photos







    1975 Dynapowers, custom order. Different than off the rack models in that there's no circular weight port near the toe and no bore through shaft.



    Nice clubs. I'd guess they're worth 50-150 dollars on eBay depending on condition and set composition.
    Driver, 3W, 4W - Macgregor Custom Tourney
    2-10 - 1954 Spalding Synchro Dyned
    SW - Wilson Staff
    Putter - Bullseye
    Ball - Pro Plus

    YT Channel - https://www.youtube....PlayVintageGolf
  • rex235rex235 ClubWRX Posts: 3,962 ClubWRX
    bobcam-



    Guess it would be nice to tell you just who your Custom Ground 1974-75 Wilson Staff Dynapower irons were made for.



    No, "JV" is not the correct designation. This set of '74-'75 Wilson Staff Dynapower irons has a custom grind number and designation, K-656, which was more than likely described in the set of 3 ring binders for the individual Wilson Advisory Staff Member whom these clubs were ground for.



    Wilson kept these series of 3 ring binders in it's Custom Department for well over 60 years.



    No "Adustaback" weight port (which could be removed/adjusted with a metal spike wrench), no "Fluid Feel" designation wanted or needed, since this K-656 model was ground to exact gram weight desired.



    This is a very specific request, and is one of the hallmarks of a custom grinder of forged irons.



    The stamps "Wilson" "Staff" " >" "Dynapower", the Custom Grind number K-656, and the initials "J" "V".



    As mentioned in this and previous posts, Wilson Golf discontinued their Custom Department in 2014, and closed access to their past custom designations of their golf clubs. Sorry, but it was a corporate decison, like other things they did in 2014.



    In the back of the Kaplan Catalog for Wilson Golf, it lists the Wilson Advisory Staff Members.



    One listed Advisory Staff name with promise is- James Vie Carpenter, then of The Coyote Creek Golf Course in Colorado.



    Good Luck with whatever you decide to do with them.
  • bobcam777bobcam777 Members Posts: 6
    Hi Rex235:



    Thank you for all the amazing info. Very few people would know this detail including the name of the Advisory Staff from the 3 ring binder. Wow. I will plan to most likely list them on ebay this Saturday for auction with a starting price of $49. I heard one guess for price between $50 and $150. What do you think?

    Regards,

    Bob
  • rex235rex235 ClubWRX Posts: 3,962 ClubWRX
    edited Aug 9, 2018 #16
    Bobcam-



    Do what you wish with them, but understand these are a custom set of forged irons, and



    they may not have been made for the Staff member I mentioned. Sadly, Wilson closed their Custom Department to the public in 2014.



    You only show the 4 iron, but you have 10 clubs.



    Here are some of the questions you should be able to answer.



    What is the condition of the set? (Good, VG, Excellent, Mint) What is the makeup of the set?



    Note- 2-PW is only 9 clubs. Shaft flex?



    Understand these are 40+ years old.



    Is there a Custom Sand Wedge, or 1 iron?



    What is the length of the 5 iron? Do they have a swingweight measured? C= Light E= Heavy



    Answer these questions truthfully, and you could get what you want.
  • bobcam777bobcam777 Members Posts: 6
    There is a sand wedge rather than a one iron. Attached photo shows dynamic gold S300 shafts meaning stiff steel. Condition is between good and very good as can see with attached photo of club faces of 2 and 4 iron. 8 of 10 grips are OK. 5 iron is 38.5 long.

    Thanks for your help.
  • SwingingkSwingingk ClubWRX Posts: 575 ClubWRX
    That's an interesting set. Generally speaking (or typing as the case may be) the Pitching Wedge or 9 iron is a better indicator of how worn the set is. The long irons are often in excellent condition as they were used much less. I don't usually buy sets on epay that don't show the condition of the Pw. Also, these have been reshafted. Good luck!
  • mocokidmocokid Members Posts: 1,711 ✭✭
    bobcam777 wrote:


    There is a sand wedge rather than a one iron. Attached photo shows dynamic gold S300 shafts meaning stiff steel. Condition is between good and very good as can see with attached photo of club faces of 2 and 4 iron. 8 of 10 grips are OK. 5 iron is 38.5 long.

    Thanks for your help.




    LUV that square toe, I have not seen too many WS irons that square, usually its the Macgregors that are squared off.
  • bobcam777bobcam777 Members Posts: 6
    Below are 2 photos of pitching wedge. All photos will go out on ebay tomorrow Sat the 11th. with a 10 day auction cycle with a starting price of $49 for all 10 clubs or $5 per club.

    Please search ebay for title similar to:

    Vintage 1975 Wilson Staff Dynapower irons stiff steel RH 2 - PW & SW was custom order for PGA prof

    Extremely rare since all other ebay and world wide other web sites are for red dot, black dot, dynapower II, fluid feel and turf rider. This set differs from this list of common high volume Dynapower product. These clubs are so rare that I can not find one other set for sale on any web site for this model.

    Thanks.
  • bobcam777bobcam777 Members Posts: 6
    Comment above about them being re-shafted is not accurate. i bought these used in 1976 when I was in college. They were produced in 74-75 so this is the shaft they used for these custom orders in those days. I played these clubs on and off for these past 38 years replacing grips as needed.
  • birly-shirlybirly-shirly Members Posts: 3,247 ✭✭
    Uphill battle selling TTDG S300s as 1974 vintage...
  • ShallowfaceShallowface Members Posts: 1,442 ✭✭
    edited Aug 10, 2018 #23
    Dynamic Gold shafts weren't available until the early 1980s.



    The sole of the Pitching Wedge shows the "s" and "o" in "Wilson" not being connected, a change that first started appearing around 1980.
  • bobcam777bobcam777 Members Posts: 6
    I stand corrected. I did not buy them in 1976. I did not play much regular golf until a couple of years after moving up to Westchester county from NY City so I bought these clubs around 80 - 82 approx. They were not shiny and new then like 2 year old clubs would have been if manufactured in 74-75. They may have already been 6 to 8 years old. See Rex235 August 8th posting above for exact date of manufacture as 74-75.
  • rex235rex235 ClubWRX Posts: 3,962 ClubWRX
    bobcam-



    The "Pitching Wedge" stamp is later for this club than the '74-75 Dynapower grind, but again, these were custom ground irons.





    Does the Pitching Wedge have the same grind designation, K-656, as the rest of the set?
  • ShallowfaceShallowface Members Posts: 1,442 ✭✭
    edited Aug 11, 2018 #26
    I remember seeing Tom Kite and Sam Snead with irons like this (referring to the back stampings, nothing more) at PGA Tour (Senior Tour in Snead's case) events in the mid 1980s. It certainly wasn't unusual for Wilson to offer old grinds and/or stampings for custom order and Tour players' irons years after those particular features were no longer available at retail.



    What was rare was to see a Tour player playing that which was being offered at retail at the time. The most common look on Tour back then was something that resembled, cosmetically at least, the Staff model of 1976-77.



    I miss those days.
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  • BIG STUBIG STU Members Posts: 11,166 ✭✭
    mocokid wrote:

    bobcam777 wrote:


    There is a sand wedge rather than a one iron. Attached photo shows dynamic gold S300 shafts meaning stiff steel. Condition is between good and very good as can see with attached photo of club faces of 2 and 4 iron. 8 of 10 grips are OK. 5 iron is 38.5 long.

    Thanks for your help.




    LUV that square toe, I have not seen too many WS irons that square, usually its the Macgregors that are squared off.
    Sorta noticed that squared toe Macgregor look myself of course I would image/taunt.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':taunt:' />
    Driver: Homna G1-X Homna stock Regular shaft
    FW Adams Tight Lies 16* Diamana Reg
    Irons 3 thru 9 KZG Kyoei Forged CB 1st generation Swing Science 400 Graphite Senior flex
    PW Cleveland Special 588 45* bent to 47* Stock Cleveland Steel Shaft
    SW Cleveland 588 56* DG Sensicore S-300 ( old dependable)
    Putter- 1997 Scotty Cameron Santa Fe Bulls Eye fluted shaft rusty and lead taped as heck named "Rusty"
    Bag-- Jones Classic non stand
    Founding Father of Outlaw Golf Association member #1---- Play what you want **** the USGA & R&A
    Redneck Hippie Golf When the Tailgate drops the BS Stops
    Vintage
    Toney Penna Model 1 Aldila HM-40
    3&4 woods Macgregor DX Keyhole steel TT R
    Irons 2 thru 9 1954 Hogan Precision TT green or 1980 Macgregor VIP 3 thru PW Hogan Apex #2 shafts " The famous Bastardized Macs"
    PW Hogan White Cameo 50* Hogan Apex Wedge
    SW Macgregor LRA 56* S-400 DJ Special-- Will rotate out when old dependable does not behave
    Putter ( subject to change) Lil David 8802
    Bag Old School Power Bilt orange mini staff
  • BIG STUBIG STU Members Posts: 11,166 ✭✭


    Dynamic Gold shafts weren't available until the early 1980s.



    The sole of the Pitching Wedge shows the "s" and "o" in "Wilson" not being connected, a change that first started appearing around 1980.
    ****!!!! You guys are sharp on this stuff---- Thanks I learned something else on here
    Driver: Homna G1-X Homna stock Regular shaft
    FW Adams Tight Lies 16* Diamana Reg
    Irons 3 thru 9 KZG Kyoei Forged CB 1st generation Swing Science 400 Graphite Senior flex
    PW Cleveland Special 588 45* bent to 47* Stock Cleveland Steel Shaft
    SW Cleveland 588 56* DG Sensicore S-300 ( old dependable)
    Putter- 1997 Scotty Cameron Santa Fe Bulls Eye fluted shaft rusty and lead taped as heck named "Rusty"
    Bag-- Jones Classic non stand
    Founding Father of Outlaw Golf Association member #1---- Play what you want **** the USGA & R&A
    Redneck Hippie Golf When the Tailgate drops the BS Stops
    Vintage
    Toney Penna Model 1 Aldila HM-40
    3&4 woods Macgregor DX Keyhole steel TT R
    Irons 2 thru 9 1954 Hogan Precision TT green or 1980 Macgregor VIP 3 thru PW Hogan Apex #2 shafts " The famous Bastardized Macs"
    PW Hogan White Cameo 50* Hogan Apex Wedge
    SW Macgregor LRA 56* S-400 DJ Special-- Will rotate out when old dependable does not behave
    Putter ( subject to change) Lil David 8802
    Bag Old School Power Bilt orange mini staff
  • TexsportTexsport Members Posts: 2,335
    edited Sep 1, 2018 #29
    Wilson DynaPowered wedges made for multiple major champion Raymond Floyd.



    Name stamped on back above sole.



    Precision 7.0 shafts



    Fluid Feel and arrow on SW - Plain face - nothing but grooves.(SW is '58 remake)



    Texsport
    Post edited by Unknown User on
    Mizuno GT180 10.5*/Graphite Design Tour AD IZ 5 X
    Tour Edge Exotics CB F2 PRO 15.5* Limited/Speeder 757 EVO 7.1X (Gene Sauers club)
    Titleist 915 18*/Fubuki K 80X
    Titleist 913 Hybrid 21*/Tour Blue 105X (Matt Jones' club) (OR) TM Burner 4-iron/Aldila RIP 115 Tour S
    Wilson Staff V4 5 and 6/Aerotech Fibersteel 110 S
    MacGregor PRO M 7-PM/Aldila RIP 115 Tour S
    Edel 50*/KBS 610 S
    Scratch JMO Grind Don White 56*/DG X-100
    Cobra Trusty Rusty Tour 64*/DG S-200
    The Cure CX2 putter
  • rex235rex235 ClubWRX Posts: 3,962 ClubWRX
    Tex-



    Do you know which Staff Dynapower Wedges Ray Floyd used to win the '76 Masters?



    Haven't looked at that Masters year on YouTube....yet.
  • TexsportTexsport Members Posts: 2,335
    edited Sep 1, 2018 #31
    No - but he had a Hogan bag in the 76 Masters. On the wedge shot he hit to 15 on Sunday, I couldn't detect a sole plug, but he often used custom DynaPower wedges without sole plugs - I own one of those- a PW



    I have 4 of his DynaPower(ed) wedges and will get a pic or 2 up.



    Actually, I think I've posted all but one SW previously - the 2 above + a custom PW posted before.



    All 4 are extra length, have upright lies, with very definite X flex shafts. The 2 above have Precision 7.0 shafts. The others have DG X shafts.





    Texsport
    Post edited by Unknown User on
    Mizuno GT180 10.5*/Graphite Design Tour AD IZ 5 X
    Tour Edge Exotics CB F2 PRO 15.5* Limited/Speeder 757 EVO 7.1X (Gene Sauers club)
    Titleist 915 18*/Fubuki K 80X
    Titleist 913 Hybrid 21*/Tour Blue 105X (Matt Jones' club) (OR) TM Burner 4-iron/Aldila RIP 115 Tour S
    Wilson Staff V4 5 and 6/Aerotech Fibersteel 110 S
    MacGregor PRO M 7-PM/Aldila RIP 115 Tour S
    Edel 50*/KBS 610 S
    Scratch JMO Grind Don White 56*/DG X-100
    Cobra Trusty Rusty Tour 64*/DG S-200
    The Cure CX2 putter
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