Rory, "If I didn’t win another Major for the rest of my career, nothing is going to change in my lif

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"He began: “If I didn’t win another Major for the rest of my career, nothing is going to change in my life whether I win one or not, but obviously I don’t feel like I’ll have fulfilled my potential.



“But at the same time, there are other things in my life that are more important than golf.”



When asked when that change came, McIlroy continued: “I think I’ve always had other interests and I’ve always had things that have been a big part of my life. But yeah, I think getting married and thinking about the future and what that entails, that’s huge.



“I think as you get older and as you evolve as a person, you change and your perspective on things changes a bit. It’s not just the golf nowadays, there’s a lot more that goes into it.



“It’s still my career, and I still want to make the most of it and I still feel like I have a lot of time to make my mark on golf, but at the same time it doesn’t keep me up at night thinking, if I never won another Major, I can’t live with myself.”





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  • PigemsPigems Members Posts: 10,882 ✭✭
    That’s why Tiger was able to do the things that he did, he was 100% Golf all the time. He basically destroyed his body doing it though.
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  • Darth PutterDarth Putter Members Posts: 4,603 ✭✭
    edited Jul 8, 2018 #3
    So that's why all the pressure is on Patrick Reed.



    No... wait... Reed got married in 2012.



    Jack and Arnie... won ALL their pro golf tournaments after getting married.
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  • imakaveliimakaveli Moli Moli Moli Moli Tommy Tommy Tommy Tommy... Members Posts: 12,556 ✭✭
    It's true
  • GuiaGuia Members Posts: 8,693 ✭✭
    edited Jul 8, 2018 #5
    When you are a "Professional" at anything, when you are performing that skill you should perform at the highest level you can. So his attitude is that I perform less than my ability it really doesn't matter because my profession is not that important in the scheme of things. That is an excuse for failing.



    Certainly golf should not be the pinnacle of your being, but your profession must be the pinnacle while you are performing in it. If you don't win, or you have a bad day, THEN is when you put that skill in it s proper position. Family, etc, are certainly more important, but not during when all is said and done, but not during your performance of your profession.



    What person would you hire to work for you: one that says I will give my all while I am working for you, or, the one that says I will come to work but the job isn't important to me? I always go for the guy that says, if I don't give you or myself the best I can, its okay (not). Always give anything you are doing your very best at that time, sometimes it does not work out, but everyone should reach beyond their grasp. If you give 100%, there is nothing to look back on that will disappoint you.



    He is getting the Sergio syndrome, when things are not going well, make an excuse. Find the fire son.



    Remember, Tiger did not give 100% of his life to playing golf (a great deal went to chasing chicks in Las Vegas), so he also had other priorities. Nicklaus achieved greatness, without sacrificing his family or other endeavors. You just have to give 100% in your current endeavor.
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  • MelloYelloMelloYello Members Posts: 3,057 ✭✭
    I can see why that sentiment is somewhat unpopular. Not a lot of fans tune in to see guys who are open about being okay with losing.



    I think this might be one of those "honest" statement from Rory though. There are probably a ton of players trying to remind themselves that golf isn't everything.
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  • cwglumcwglum Members Posts: 1,554 ✭✭
    Sounds like he's removing himself from thinking about results and just trying to play great golf, let the numbers stack up as they may. 100% the right way to approach it in my opinion. Win as many events as possible, but in the end you can only control you and your own game.
  • Whiskey_fireWhiskey_fire Members Posts: 977 ✭✭
    When ur have the kind of money that a man like Rory has its very easy to not really worry about much and enjoy life.
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  • CasualLieCasualLie Do Woodchucks Chuck Wood? Members Posts: 1,397 ✭✭
    This is exactly why there is way too much money in golf. When you are making $30M / year before you even hit one tee shot, then of course you start thinking about buying a Francis Bacon painting and saving whales. But the silly money in golf is another subject.



    Since Rory has stated on more than one occasion that he's not into the Tiger grind to win majors, then why do the media keep on asking? Oh well, Rory doesn't owe us the dedication if he is not into it. Too bad. Rory sure can hit the ball like a major winner with not a ton of tune up, but he does not putt like a major champion except during "one of those weeks". So catching fire with the putter in a major week is a roll of the dice; I'm not holding my breath.
  • JonnyKrasnodarJonnyKrasnodar Members Posts: 1,804 ✭✭
    More arrogant and misadvised comments from McIlroy. His PR team are as bad as his putting coach...can't seem to go a few weeks without making incredibly crass comments.



    No doubt he'll be the first to wonder why his popularity and fanbase has shrunk.



    Whatever happened to playing to win? I must be old fashioned or something. Good luck to him.

  • playar32playar32 Posts: 272 ✭✭
    As much as people don't want to admit it, most people get bored at every job. The people who keep improving and working on things are the ones who improve.



    There are probably three types on people on tour (relatively):



    1.Those who got everything out of there game and had some break

    2. Those with insane skills who are the "names"

    3. Those with the skills, who maybe didnt get the breaks, or don't put in the time to required to be the best in the world



    What I'm getting at is, I'm sure Rory knows what he needs to do to dominant and be #1. But I'm not sure he's willing to give up everything would be required to do that. At the end of day, he's set for life, and the tour is really a "job" for him. I mean, he's made ~$40mn just on the PGA tour, it might be hard for him to work on hit wedges for putts for hours a day, everyday.



    It's all about what people want. If you think about it, there are guys who have walked away from the tour to do other things (Camilio, Anthony Kim) and Phil Mickelson has mentioned some times there are guys he knows who could play the tour, but don't want the lifestyle.
  • Dave230Dave230 Posts: 3,748 ✭✭
    He's talked up his game, played down his chances, said he's fully focused on golf, said he's not focused on golf. The fact is, it is demoralising to putt the way Rory does.



    Rory with better wedges is the player he was of 2012 and 2014. Rory as a good putter is Tiger Woods level. He's that good with his driver and long irons. He putts well at Bay Hill, blows away the field on Sunday.



    He's kind of gone through the 5 stages of grief with the putter. "I'm a good putter", "Why do I keep missing so many putts?! *club in lake" "Maybe if I keep changing coaches I'll become a better putter" "I'm really getting down about missing every putt"



    To the final stage "I am simply not good enough at putting to be a dominant player. There's no point ruining my life over it".
  • widow-makerwidow-maker Posts: 1,591 ✭✭
    Pigems wrote:


    That’s why Tiger was able to do the things that he did, he was 100% Golf all the time. He basically destroyed his body doing it though.
    And his marriage.



    I don't put much into what Rory said. I think he still wants to win Majors and he'll put a lot of his effort into doing so. Truth is, Nicklaus put his family in front of golf. You can do both. I see nothing wrong with his saying that golf is only one of his priorities. That's as it should be. His talent is enormous and he's still young. I see him winning more Majors.
  • chrisronlinechrisronline Members Posts: 174 ✭✭
    Totally legit IMO. I’d love to see him win more majors but it’s his life and I totally get his perspective
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    More arrogant and misadvised comments from McIlroy. His PR team are as bad as his putting coach...can't seem to go a few weeks without making incredibly crass comments.



    No doubt he'll be the first to wonder why his popularity and fanbase has shrunk.



    Whatever happened to playing to win? I must be old fashioned or something. Good luck to him.




    What makes you think he's not playing to win?
  • R.TobesR.Tobes Posts: 144 ✭✭
    edited Jul 8, 2018 #16
    Dave230 wrote:


    He's talked up his game, played down his chances, said he's fully focused on golf, said he's not focused on golf. The fact is, it is demoralising to putt the way Rory does.



    Rory with better wedges is the player he was of 2012 and 2014. Rory as a good putter is Tiger Woods level. He's that good with his driver and long irons. He putts well at Bay Hill, blows away the field on Sunday.



    He's kind of gone through the 5 stages of grief with the putter. "I'm a good putter", "Why do I keep missing so many putts?! *club in lake" "Maybe if I keep changing coaches I'll become a better putter" "I'm really getting down about missing every putt"



    To the final stage "I am simply not good enough at putting to be a dominant player. There's no point ruining my life over it".




    Nailed it on the head there. And if he is ok with it, so be it.
  • Lagavulin62Lagavulin62 Members Posts: 1,976 ClubWRX


    More arrogant and misadvised comments from McIlroy. His PR team are as bad as his putting coach...can't seem to go a few weeks without making incredibly crass comments.



    No doubt he'll be the first to wonder why his popularity and fanbase has shrunk.



    Whatever happened to playing to win? I must be old fashioned or something. Good luck to him.






    I don’t get any of that from those quotes. All he is saying is life has priorities. All of us approach life that way for the most part. Those that only focus on career, neglecting family, physical and mental health pay the price. That doesn’t mean he’s not focused when he is playing. Everyone has to find that balance that works for them.



    His comments make him more likeable to many fans. Athletes are highly skilled, but they do have a life outside the golf course. Do anything 10-12 hours a day and at some point you will start to see how other pursuits become important.
  • Night trainNight train Members Posts: 2,818 ✭✭
    His honesty is refreshing...........I hope he finds happiness..........and even more success!
  • Ignatius ReillyIgnatius Reilly Posts: 398 ✭✭
    edited Jul 8, 2018 #19
    R.Tobes wrote:

    Dave230 wrote:


    He's talked up his game, played down his chances, said he's fully focused on golf, said he's not focused on golf. The fact is, it is demoralising to putt the way Rory does.



    Rory with better wedges is the player he was of 2012 and 2014. Rory as a good putter is Tiger Woods level. He's that good with his driver and long irons. He putts well at Bay Hill, blows away the field on Sunday.



    He's kind of gone through the 5 stages of grief with the putter. "I'm a good putter", "Why do I keep missing so many putts?! *club in lake" "Maybe if I keep changing coaches I'll become a better putter" "I'm really getting down about missing every putt"



    To the final stage "I am simply not good enough at putting to be a dominant player. There's no point ruining my life over it".




    Nailed it on the head there. And if he is ok with it, so be it.




    Not a dominant player?



    From that "who's decade is it" thread:



    [background=rgb(247, 247, 247)]4 majors / 95 weeks at No. 1 / 14 PGA Tour wins - 4 FedEx tournaments and 2 WGCs / 15 top 10's in majors / 2 time PGA Tour money list winner / 1 FedEx Cup champion / 3 time European Tour Race to Dubai winner[/background]



    [background=rgb(247, 247, 247)]I'd call that dominant. At least more dominant than any other player this decade.[/background]



    [background=rgb(247, 247, 247)]So he's got that going for him, which is nice..[/background]



    [background=rgb(247, 247, 247)]I also happen to support the view that he's smart to embrace more than just golf in his life. [/background]
  • MtlJeffMtlJeff MontrealMembers Posts: 28,199 ✭✭
    How many people will respond in this thread that they have lost respect for him or are dissapointed...but very few of these people live only for their jobs I would imagine



    Even high achievers, have seen several executives ask for demotions once they've made boatloads of money, in order to travel less and spend more time with their families.



    Rory has made the money the market dictated. Maybe with his attitude he'll make less going forward. But that's his issue , he doesn't owe people his talent.
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    More arrogant and misadvised comments from McIlroy. His PR team are as bad as his putting coach...can't seem to go a few weeks without making incredibly crass comments.



    No doubt he'll be the first to wonder why his popularity and fanbase has shrunk.



    Whatever happened to playing to win? I must be old fashioned or something. Good luck to him.




    Maybe now people will finally believe that Participation trophies are not a good thing.
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  • JonnyKrasnodarJonnyKrasnodar Members Posts: 1,804 ✭✭
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    More arrogant and misadvised comments from McIlroy. His PR team are as bad as his putting coach...can't seem to go a few weeks without making incredibly crass comments.



    No doubt he'll be the first to wonder why his popularity and fanbase has shrunk.



    Whatever happened to playing to win? I must be old fashioned or something. Good luck to him.






    I don’t get any of that from those quotes. All he is saying is life has priorities. All of us approach life that way for the most part. Those that only focus on career, neglecting family, physical and mental health pay the price. That doesn’t mean he’s not focused when he is playing. Everyone has to find that balance that works for them.



    His comments make him more likeable to many fans. Athletes are highly skilled, but they do have a life outside the golf course. Do anything 10-12 hours a day and at some point you will start to see how other pursuits become important.




    I totally get that, being successful comes at a huge cost. I know that well albeit not from playing golf. However even if what he says is true, saying it out loud is misadvised. Part of the reason Tiger had people beat before he'd hit a ball on any given week was the fact that everybody knew two things about him:



    1) Winning was all he cared about

    2) He'd crawl over bodies to do it



    Rory tees it up others will be looking at him knowing they can take him. Where's the threat from someone who's admitted he's not bothered about winning?



    That'd be like me going into the boardroom driving for a hard sale after letting everyone know I'm not fussed whether it goes through or not or that I can't handle the pressure on me to bring it home.



    As noble as it sounds to say your family, wife, kids, other interests etc matter more than your job being open about it at a high level of any career is pretty much burying yourself. He doesn't need the money, I get that. But he's been quite honest about how little he needs golf, his fans or his opportunities in other recent interviews and it comes across very poorly.



    The fact other things are important is not what I disagree with, it's how he continually slights golf and its fans. At the end of the day if it's so inconvenient for him to tee it up and compete he can disappear comfortably. Golf doesn't need any more knocks. For a so-called professional & public figure his PR is shocking.
  • Sounds like coping and excuses to me.
  • NaptimeNaptime Members Posts: 599 ✭✭
    edited Jul 8, 2018 #24
    If he obsessed about winning majors then some people would say he's wound up too tight and should just play the game. Always a critic around no matter what he does. If effort = major victories then we'd disqualify to ones that relied on lucky bounces or the failure of another player.
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    More arrogant and misadvised comments from McIlroy. His PR team are as bad as his putting coach...can't seem to go a few weeks without making incredibly crass comments.



    No doubt he'll be the first to wonder why his popularity and fanbase has shrunk.



    Whatever happened to playing to win? I must be old fashioned or something. Good luck to him.






    I don’t get any of that from those quotes. All he is saying is life has priorities. All of us approach life that way for the most part. Those that only focus on career, neglecting family, physical and mental health pay the price. That doesn’t mean he’s not focused when he is playing. Everyone has to find that balance that works for them.



    His comments make him more likeable to many fans. Athletes are highly skilled, but they do have a life outside the golf course. Do anything 10-12 hours a day and at some point you will start to see how other pursuits become important.




    I totally get that, being successful comes at a huge cost. I know that well albeit not from playing golf. However even if what he says is true, saying it out loud is misadvised. Part of the reason Tiger had people beat before he'd hit a ball on any given week was the fact that everybody knew two things about him:



    1) Winning was all he cared about

    2) He'd crawl over bodies to do it



    Rory tees it up others will be looking at him knowing they can take him. Where's the threat from someone who's admitted he's not bothered about winning?



    That'd be like me going into the boardroom driving for a hard sale after letting everyone know I'm not fussed whether it goes through or not or that I can't handle the pressure on me to bring it home.



    As noble as it sounds to say your family, wife, kids, other interests etc matter more than your job being open about it at a high level of any career is pretty much burying yourself. He doesn't need the money, I get that. But he's been quite honest about how little he needs golf, his fans or his opportunities in other recent interviews and it comes across very poorly.



    The fact other things are important is not what I disagree with, it's how he continually slights golf and its fans. At the end of the day if it's so inconvenient for him to tee it up and compete he can disappear comfortably. Golf doesn't need any more knocks. For a so-called professional & public figure his PR is shocking.






    I don’t believe he has any less mindset to win while he is in competition. It’s just off course he is not willing to sacrifice things that are important to him. There are no secrets about what goes on in competition. If he didn’t want to win it wouldn’t matter whether he stated it or not, everyone would know. I don’t think his drive to win is any different. I just think you’re reading too much into it. I don’t care for his putting comment, but only because it says he is not willing to put in the effort to improve. I think guys can capitalize on that knowledge, but it’s not some mind game, they know his putting is not what it could be. Thats not a secret is what I’m saying.
  • caniac6caniac6 Members Posts: 2,660 ✭✭
    MtlJeff wrote:


    How many people will respond in this thread that they have lost respect for him or are dissapointed...but very few of these people live only for their jobs I would imagine



    Even high achievers, have seen several executives ask for demotions once they've made boatloads of money, in order to travel less and spend more time with their families.



    Rory has made the money the market dictated. Maybe with his attitude he'll make less going forward. But that's his issue , he doesn't owe people his talent.
    If anything, I have more respect for him.
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    More arrogant and misadvised comments from McIlroy. His PR team are as bad as his putting coach...can't seem to go a few weeks without making incredibly crass comments.



    No doubt he'll be the first to wonder why his popularity and fanbase has shrunk.



    Whatever happened to playing to win? I must be old fashioned or something. Good luck to him.






    I don’t get any of that from those quotes. All he is saying is life has priorities. All of us approach life that way for the most part. Those that only focus on career, neglecting family, physical and mental health pay the price. That doesn’t mean he’s not focused when he is playing. Everyone has to find that balance that works for them.



    His comments make him more likeable to many fans. Athletes are highly skilled, but they do have a life outside the golf course. Do anything 10-12 hours a day and at some point you will start to see how other pursuits become important.




    I totally get that, being successful comes at a huge cost. I know that well albeit not from playing golf. However even if what he says is true, saying it out loud is misadvised. Part of the reason Tiger had people beat before he'd hit a ball on any given week was the fact that everybody knew two things about him:



    1) Winning was all he cared about

    2) He'd crawl over bodies to do it



    Rory tees it up others will be looking at him knowing they can take him. Where's the threat from someone who's admitted he's not bothered about winning?



    That'd be like me going into the boardroom driving for a hard sale after letting everyone know I'm not fussed whether it goes through or not or that I can't handle the pressure on me to bring it home.



    As noble as it sounds to say your family, wife, kids, other interests etc matter more than your job being open about it at a high level of any career is pretty much burying yourself. He doesn't need the money, I get that. But he's been quite honest about how little he needs golf, his fans or his opportunities in other recent interviews and it comes across very poorly.



    The fact other things are important is not what I disagree with, it's how he continually slights golf and its fans. At the end of the day if it's so inconvenient for him to tee it up and compete he can disappear comfortably. Golf doesn't need any more knocks. For a so-called professional & public figure his PR is shocking.






    I don’t believe he has any less mindset to win while he is in competition. It’s just off course he is not willing to sacrifice things that are important to him. There are no secrets about what goes on in competition. If he didn’t want to win it wouldn’t matter whether he stated it or not, everyone would know. I don’t think his drive to win is any different. I just think you’re reading too much into it. I don’t care for his putting comment, but only because it says he is not willing to put in the effort to improve. I think guys can capitalize on that knowledge, but it’s not some mind game, they know his putting is not what it could be. Thats not a secret is what I’m saying.




    That's fair enough and you're right that it's not a secret. It just comes across very poorly in my opinion.
  • bscinstnctbscinstnct Members Posts: 26,125 ✭✭
    edited Jul 8, 2018 #28
    MtlJeff wrote:


    How many people will respond in this thread that they have lost respect for him or are dissapointed...but very few of these people live only for their jobs I would imagine



    Even high achievers, have seen several executives ask for demotions once they've made boatloads of money, in order to travel less and spend more time with their families.



    Rory has made the money the market dictated. Maybe with his attitude he'll make less going forward. But that's his issue , he doesn't owe people his talent.




    Very few of us has work that we fantasized about doing as kids.



    None of us was blessed with not only the ultimate dream of playing a sport for a living but being the absolute best in the world at it.



    That said, its his life and I dont look at him critically.



    Golf, as much as any sport, carries a level of mental intesity that is borderline insane.



    I wonder how many golfers find, one day, that they dont even like playing under such intense pressure anymore.



    Rory was as viscious a competitor as we have seen. He proved he was the best to walk the planet in his sport for a period of time.



    Just a handfull of people in the world can say that.
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    This is exactly why there is way too much money in golf. When you are making $30M / year before you even hit one tee shot, then of course you start thinking about buying a Francis Bacon painting and saving whales. But the silly money in golf is another subject.



    Since Rory has stated on more than one occasion that he's not into the Tiger grind to win majors, then why do the media keep on asking? Oh well, Rory doesn't owe us the dedication if he is not into it. Too bad. Rory sure can hit the ball like a major winner with not a ton of tune up, but he does not putt like a major champion except during "one of those weeks". So catching fire with the putter in a major week is a roll of the dice; I'm not holding my breath.
    The money has nothing to do with it imho. There are too many players in golf and other ventures that have made the big money for years but do not lose the drive to excel. Got that matter I'm not sure that's really what Rory is saying anyways. He is still working his rear off to be as good as he can be. B but he has not learned the balance between life and sport.



    Why should Rory get slammed but Jack always got praised for putting family first?
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  • MtlJeffMtlJeff MontrealMembers Posts: 28,199 ✭✭
    bscinstnct wrote:

    MtlJeff wrote:


    How many people will respond in this thread that they have lost respect for him or are dissapointed...but very few of these people live only for their jobs I would imagine



    Even high achievers, have seen several executives ask for demotions once they've made boatloads of money, in order to travel less and spend more time with their families.



    Rory has made the money the market dictated. Maybe with his attitude he'll make less going forward. But that's his issue , he doesn't owe people his talent.




    Very few of us has work that we fantasized about doing as kids.



    None of us was blessed with not only the ultimate dream of playing a sport for a living but being the absolute best in the world at it.



    That said, its his life and I dont look at him critically.



    Golf, as much as any sport, carries a level of mental intesity that is borderline insane.



    I wonder how many golfers find, one day, that they dont even like playing under such intense pressure anymore.



    Rory was as viscious a competitor as we have seen. He proved he was the best to walk the planet in his sport for a period of time.



    Just a handfull of people in the world can say that.




    The thing with having things you've always wanted is that once you have them...they cease to be what they were before.



    I would imagine most pro athletes enjoy the sports they play less than amateurs do. At least in terms of just sheer enjoyment playing. Playing golf for these guys is their job, I'm sure it loses some of the luster of guys like you or me playing a Saturday round



    A lot of young money type guys, tech guys etc. They reach the top too and a lot of them get out and do more VC type stuff. Pick their spots



    At the end of the day being at the top of your profession must be incredibly draining.
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