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  • Aaronwilson_95Aaronwilson_95 Members Posts: 829 ✭✭
    Shilgy wrote:

    CasualLie wrote:


    This is exactly why there is way too much money in golf. When you are making $30M / year before you even hit one tee shot, then of course you start thinking about buying a Francis Bacon painting and saving whales. But the silly money in golf is another subject.



    Since Rory has stated on more than one occasion that he's not into the Tiger grind to win majors, then why do the media keep on asking? Oh well, Rory doesn't owe us the dedication if he is not into it. Too bad. Rory sure can hit the ball like a major winner with not a ton of tune up, but he does not putt like a major champion except during "one of those weeks". So catching fire with the putter in a major week is a roll of the dice; I'm not holding my breath.
    The money has nothing to do with it imho. There are too many players in golf and other ventures that have made the big money for years but do not lose the drive to excel. Got that matter I'm not sure that's really what Rory is saying anyways. He is still working his rear off to be as good as he can be. B but he has not learned the balance between life and sport.



    Why should Rory get slammed but Jack always got praised for putting family first?


    Jack finished outside the top-10 5 times in majors during the entire 1970’s that’s why people aren’t harping on jack.
  • Dave230Dave230 Members Posts: 3,769 ✭✭
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    You can love golf and be the best in the world at it. But nothing can prepare you for everything else that comes with that fame and attention.



    There's a reason why Tiger Woods' boat is called 'Privacy'.



    Dealing with expectations to constantly beat the best players in the world is tiring. It's a zero sum game. Always think of Phil Mickelson shooting 17 under at The Open and being among the top 10 major performances of all-time. And losing to Stenson. Nobody could say he didn't play out of his skin that weekend. But somebody was still better.



    Rory is still trying and among the elite of the elite. He's even won a premium event this year. But beating 144 of the best players in the world is always hard. Just a select few players of all time have made it look easy.
  • ShilgyShilgy Members Posts: 11,386 ✭✭

    Shilgy wrote:

    CasualLie wrote:


    This is exactly why there is way too much money in golf. When you are making $30M / year before you even hit one tee shot, then of course you start thinking about buying a Francis Bacon painting and saving whales. But the silly money in golf is another subject.



    Since Rory has stated on more than one occasion that he's not into the Tiger grind to win majors, then why do the media keep on asking? Oh well, Rory doesn't owe us the dedication if he is not into it. Too bad. Rory sure can hit the ball like a major winner with not a ton of tune up, but he does not putt like a major champion except during "one of those weeks". So catching fire with the putter in a major week is a roll of the dice; I'm not holding my breath.
    The money has nothing to do with it imho. There are too many players in golf and other ventures that have made the big money for years but do not lose the drive to excel. Got that matter I'm not sure that's really what Rory is saying anyways. He is still working his rear off to be as good as he can be. B but he has not learned the balance between life and sport.



    Why should Rory get slammed but Jack always got praised for putting family first?


    Jack finished outside the top-10 5 times in majors during the entire 1970’s that’s why people aren’t harping on jack.
    Good thing wrx wasn't around in Jack's day lol. They would have hammered on him for not practicing his wedge game enough. He had 19 seconds which gets praised. But in the recent Golf Digest where Jack, Lee, Player and Miller discuss Tiger Jack points out three majors early in his career where he just flat out have them away.
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  • NokeNoke Members Posts: 2,108 ✭✭
    Until he starts ‘taking someone else’s spot’ (whatever that means) he can say whatever he wants as far as I’m concerned.
  • HiSpeed48HiSpeed48 Members Posts: 2,108 ✭✭
    I see nothing wrong with his comment about his life outside of golf being more important. That's true for a lot of the greats.



    But his comment about basically not caring if he wins another major is disheartening for me, as I am a big Rory fan.



    In order to be the best, you have to hate losing as much as you love winning. And if he's content with just showing up and losing, then you can pretty much write him off for every future major.



    This isn't the same Rory.
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    HiSpeed48 wrote:


    I see nothing wrong with his comment about his life outside of golf being more important. That's true for a lot of the greats.



    But his comment about basically not caring if he wins another major is disheartening for me, as I am a big Rory fan.



    In order to be the best, you have to hate losing as much as you love winning. And if he's content with just showing up and losing, then you can pretty much write him off for every future major.



    This isn't the same Rory.




    I think once these guys get out there they want to win. Sergio finally won a major after he pretty much said he didn't have what it takes to win one.
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  • f5joef5joe Members Posts: 316 ✭✭
    Rors hasn't got the Tiger "it" factor by a LONG shot, so to speak.
  • Symeon Star-EyesSymeon Star-Eyes Members Posts: 166
    How you melted down Sunday at the Masters shows you actually still care.
  • KevinnzKevinnz Members Posts: 183 ✭✭
    No wonder he putts like crap. Mentality is what goes far n beyond.
  • gatorMDgatorMD Hacker-in-Chief ClubWRX Posts: 4,564 ClubWRX
    rory just quit and go make some babies and develop some golf courses. dude is doneeeeeeeeee mentally.
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  • IVMIVM Members Posts: 454 ✭✭
    If he really said that it shows zero ambition and says a lot about his golf game .

    He might as well just hit a100 balls a day and turn up because he obviously does not care . If any of us had his game we would be out there hours a day . Just shows you what getting too much money early does to you . Jack and Arnie did not have that problem , it only raised its head after Tiger came on the scene.
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    This isn’t new news.



    He admitted years ago he wanted nothing to do with the scrutiny/fame of winning.



    The only person that can stop him on the tour is himself.
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  • Kenny Lee PuckettKenny Lee Puckett Members Posts: 3,460 ✭✭
    when they were the tender age of 29 years old I don't ever recall, for any reason, ever, Jack/Tiger or Joe Montana/Tom Brady or Michael Jordan/LeBron James or Gretzky or Ali or Roger Federer/Rafael Nadal say out loud and in so many words that they were already "comfortable" with the idea of never winning another Major Championship/Championship in their respective sports.



    I ain't smart enough to diagnose the real psychology going on here. but in a simpleton's terms, is this a case of Rors just not having enough dog in him?
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  • lowheellowheel LOWHEEL Members Posts: 6,139 ✭✭
    when you have 150 million in the bank you tend not to give a f... He will look back at his career when hes 40 and regret his lack of fire and desire. Talent is only 1 part of it and doesnt always last. he basically talked himself out of caring. Very weird stance to take at this stage of career and life
  • lowheellowheel LOWHEEL Members Posts: 6,139 ✭✭
    edited Jul 8, 2018 #46

    Shilgy wrote:

    CasualLie wrote:


    This is exactly why there is way too much money in golf. When you are making $30M / year before you even hit one tee shot, then of course you start thinking about buying a Francis Bacon painting and saving whales. But the silly money in golf is another subject.



    Since Rory has stated on more than one occasion that he's not into the Tiger grind to win majors, then why do the media keep on asking? Oh well, Rory doesn't owe us the dedication if he is not into it. Too bad. Rory sure can hit the ball like a major winner with not a ton of tune up, but he does not putt like a major champion except during "one of those weeks". So catching fire with the putter in a major week is a roll of the dice; I'm not holding my breath.
    The money has nothing to do with it imho. There are too many players in golf and other ventures that have made the big money for years but do not lose the drive to excel. Got that matter I'm not sure that's really what Rory is saying anyways. He is still working his rear off to be as good as he can be. B but he has not learned the balance between life and sport.



    Why should Rory get slammed but Jack always got praised for putting family first?


    Jack finished outside the top-10 5 times in majors during the entire 1970's that's why people aren't harping on jack.




    Exactly. No g5s and bmw courtesy cars back then either. If Jack fell off the planet he would have heard about it but like all greats and all sports his mind and desire was on another level and elevated his focu to even greater heights despite numerous challenges to his crown
  • Roadking2003Roadking2003 AustinMembers Posts: 5,290 ✭✭
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    "He began: "If I didn't win another Major for the rest of my career, nothing is going to change in my life whether I win one or not, but obviously I don't feel like I'll have fulfilled my potential.



    "But at the same time, there are other things in my life that are more important than golf."



    When asked when that change came, McIlroy continued: "I think I've always had other interests and I've always had things that have been a big part of my life. But yeah, I think getting married and thinking about the future and what that entails, that's huge.



    "I think as you get older and as you evolve as a person, you change and your perspective on things changes a bit. It's not just the golf nowadays, there's a lot more that goes into it.



    "It's still my career, and I still want to make the most of it and I still feel like I have a lot of time to make my mark on golf, but at the same time it doesn't keep me up at night thinking, if I never won another Major, I can't live with myself."




    Sad. He has such talent.
  • bscinstnctbscinstnct Members Posts: 26,381 ✭✭
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    lowheel wrote:


    when you have 150 million in the bank you tend not to give a f... He will look back at his career when hes 40 and regret his lack of fire and desire. Talent is only 1 part of it and doesnt always last. he basically talked himself out of caring. Very weird stance to take at this stage of career and life




    He could just be a little burnt.



    Guy ran hard as anybody to get to where he is.



    I remember a rory interview from way back, the impression I got was,



    He always knew he had the game to be a top guy since he was little. And he worked his butt off. He was small but he had patience. He waited for the length to catch up. And once it came



    He wasnt afraid of anybody.



    That feeling, to know, on your good day, you can beat anybody, must be bliss. And he did. But, sure, then they dumped a truck of money at his doorstep. Now, must be tough to stay as hungry.



    But I would never judge where that line is. Maybe he gets back into kill mode.



    Jack, TW, Hogan, Trevino. Others you guys know better than I. They were not in it for the money. They just could not stand losing. Couldnt stand it.
  • ShilgyShilgy Members Posts: 11,386 ✭✭
    lowheel wrote:


    Shilgy wrote:

    CasualLie wrote:


    This is exactly why there is way too much money in golf. When you are making $30M / year before you even hit one tee shot, then of course you start thinking about buying a Francis Bacon painting and saving whales. But the silly money in golf is another subject.



    Since Rory has stated on more than one occasion that he's not into the Tiger grind to win majors, then why do the media keep on asking? Oh well, Rory doesn't owe us the dedication if he is not into it. Too bad. Rory sure can hit the ball like a major winner with not a ton of tune up, but he does not putt like a major champion except during "one of those weeks". So catching fire with the putter in a major week is a roll of the dice; I'm not holding my breath.
    The money has nothing to do with it imho. There are too many players in golf and other ventures that have made the big money for years but do not lose the drive to excel. Got that matter I'm not sure that's really what Rory is saying anyways. He is still working his rear off to be as good as he can be. B but he has not learned the balance between life and sport.



    Why should Rory get slammed but Jack always got praised for putting family first?


    Jack finished outside the top-10 5 times in majors during the entire 1970's that's why people aren't harping on jack.




    Exactly. No g5s and bmw courtesy cars back then either. If Jack fell off the planet he would have heard about it but like all greats and all sports his mind and desire was on another level and elevated his focu to even greater heights despite numerous challenges to his crown
    My point, as you knew, is that the money does not matter to those that aspire to greatness. But not all do. We have always had those with seemingly miles of talent that did not reach the expected heights. I am not making names as that is not my place to deride those that achieved a **** of as lot more than I. But every sport has those that were expected to be the next great one but it did not pan out.



    PS relatively Jack had it as good as Rory and had a plane. So there is that. image/smile.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':)' /> But to the guys like Jack, Tiger, Michael Jordan, Federer etc the money is not what drives them.
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  • GuiaGuia Members Posts: 8,693 ✭✭
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    I think he is scared (I know terrible thing to say), he was touted to be the next great player. Terrific start but all of sudden he discovered it is difficult to win, competition with DJ, Jordan, Justin, Reed, and others is tough, they don't roll over. His talent is being wasted, if you want to King you need an overly "A" personality when competing, a meat eater. Be what you want off the course. If he gets the killer edge MAYBE he can become one of the greats.



    Someone pass him the cheese.



    He has had several times in his career that he cried about this or that, this again one of those times. Reminds me of Sergio, a lot of talent but lacking in character.
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    He is far from Sergio. He’s actually done something and still have more to give.



    Even with that green jacket Sergio career has been a giant disappointment. I’m in no way a fan of Rory but you start to pity the guy.
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  • VindogVindog Don't order the schnitzel. They're using schnauzer! Members Posts: 17,495 ✭✭
    f5joe wrote:


    Rors hasn't got the Tiger "it" factor by a LONG shot, so to speak.




    It's possible that people saw what the "it factor" does to everything else in your life, and then said "no thanks"
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  • SuperbritSuperbrit Members Posts: 464 ✭✭
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    Is any of this a surprise to anyone? ever since Rory came on tour he is always said hes not another Tiger, and doesn't want to be.



    If he worked his a** off the same as the likes of Tiger did, then yes he could of ended his career winning about 10 majors, but he doesn't have the same commitment, whats wrong with that? nothing, look at Tigers life, wasnt exactly a bed of roses!



    people have got to remember golf has basically been his life since he was 3 years old, i'm sure that gets tiresome.



    If he won a Masters i reckon he wouldn't care less whatever else he wins for the rest of his career.



    Different strokes for different folks, and hes still great to watch

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  • redfirebird08redfirebird08 Members Posts: 7,916 ✭✭
    He is still very young. I think he will eventually get that green jacket for a career Grand Slam and maybe 2-3 other majors as well.
  • jmkenn0jmkenn0 Members Posts: 686 ✭✭
    Vindog wrote:

    f5joe wrote:


    Rors hasn't got the Tiger "it" factor by a LONG shot, so to speak.




    It's possible that people saw what the "it factor" does to everything else in your life, and then said "no thanks"




    Yeah, kind of what I was thinking. I basically discount anything from back in Jack's day, because the world, money, fame, and exposure were just at a different place. The two that come to mind are Jordan and Tiger - basically so manically driven that once you get past their primes, you realize they were borderline sociopaths.
  • me05501me05501 Members Posts: 412


    So that's why all the pressure is on Patrick Reed.



    No... wait... Reed got married in 2012.



    Jack and Arnie... won ALL their pro golf tournaments after getting married.






    Back when Jack and Arnie were playing, there wasn't a path to making $6-10MM per year by stringing together top tens.
  • MtlJeffMtlJeff MontrealMembers Posts: 28,360 ✭✭
    bscinstnct wrote:

    lowheel wrote:


    when you have 150 million in the bank you tend not to give a f... He will look back at his career when hes 40 and regret his lack of fire and desire. Talent is only 1 part of it and doesnt always last. he basically talked himself out of caring. Very weird stance to take at this stage of career and life




    He could just be a little burnt.



    Guy ran hard as anybody to get to where he is.



    I remember a rory interview from way back, the impression I got was,



    He always knew he had the game to be a top guy since he was little. And he worked his butt off. He was small but he had patience. He waited for the length to catch up. And once it came



    He wasnt afraid of anybody.



    That feeling, to know, on your good day, you can beat anybody, must be bliss. And he did. But, sure, then they dumped a truck of money at his doorstep. Now, must be tough to stay as hungry.



    But I would never judge where that line is. Maybe he gets back into kill mode.



    Jack, TW, Hogan, Trevino. Others you guys know better than I. They were not in it for the money. They just could not stand losing. Couldnt stand it.




    We romanticize the "killer" guys in sports a lot, guys who want to strangle you over ping pong games. These guys make nice ESPN pieces but I would imagine are miserable to be around.



    Many people, they are lucky if they can use their talent to create the life they want. Maybe for an executive it's running a company that gets bought out, taking your stock money and retiring at 42. Maybe for Rory it was being one of the best players in the world, making 9 figures and coasting to some extent as a top guy but not someone willing to sacrifice his youth to be #1. Or maybe he just needs a few years to recharge before coming back. You see this with executives too



    But I mean I get it. He's what 30 now? He's got his money, he's married, he's been the best. Its like, do you want to be in the office 9-9 every day , or do you want to spent time with people you like.
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  • jmckjmck Members Posts: 4,277 ✭✭
    Rory's been saying stuff like this for years. He's always been very clear that he doesn't want to be the next Tiger, do the work it'd take to be the next Tiger, or live the life that comes with being Tiger. When asked about his career goals he's always said he wants to be the best European to ever play the game, not the GOAT. Figure the best European is currently Faldo. Rory has another 15 or 20 years to win a Masters and another major or two.



    He's 29 and has already achieved 80% of what he set out to do. I wonder how many of the people bashing him in this thread could say the same.



    People wrote him off in 2013, then he had a 2014 better than his 2012. People wrote him off in 2016 and then he got hot for a few weeks and won the FedEx cup. People are writing him off again over some comments he made and a few months of poor putting. I'd have to double check the morning papers, but I'm pretty sure he's not dead yet. The dude is sitting on an A game that's better than anyone else's on the planet, when it shows up. I'd bet anything you want on that A game showing up here and there over the course of the next 15 or 20 years.



    And I seriously worry about the work-life balance of some of the people in this thread if they're actually living their lives the way the expect Rory to live his. We bemoan the lack of honesty at the average athlete's presser. Yet here's a guy being honest--and consistently honest at that--and what's his reward? Gets skewered by a bunch of people almost certainly less successful in their chosen fields than Rory is in his.
  • FergusonFerguson Members Posts: 4,674 ✭✭
    He might be having marital problems.
  • SuperbritSuperbrit Members Posts: 464 ✭✭
    Ferguson wrote:


    He might be having marital problems.




    Its probably the opposite, he's so "busy" at home he hasn't got time to practice image/wink.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=';)' />

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  • ray9898ray9898 Members Posts: 768 ✭✭
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    Haven't we been through this several times? Everyone wants to write Rory off and then he flips the script, last was the FedEx in '16.





    One one hand people complain when someone doesn't have the killer mindset of whatever chosen legend who is used as an example, on the other they critique the life of that legend because it is usually left in shambles.



    Not everyone is willing to destroy their life for professional success which isn't necessarily a bad thing.
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