New Project X Hzrdus smoke shaft - 2018

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  • KPH808KPH808 Participation Trophy ClubWRX Posts: 2,634 ClubWRX
    Do they make handcrafted version of this shaft?
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  • AG12AG12 Members Posts: 599 ✭✭
    KPH808 wrote:


    Do they make handcrafted version of this shaft?




    No the Smoke and Smoke Yellow were made after they decided to ship manufacturing overseas......
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  • mister2coolmister2cool Members Posts: 3,710 ✭✭
    MattyO1984 wrote:


    I gave the Smoke a go yesterday and it wasn't for me. My fitter took me down to being between the Smoke and Even Flow T1100 but the T1100 won out in the end.



    They were both in a 6.0 Flex I wasn't a fan of the feel of the Smoke. I tried them with the Titleist TS3 with everything in neutral. The Smoke I felt like I was having to feel like I was trying to hit a big push to the right to stop it from hooking. To be fair, I have been using a Diamana D+ for the past 5-6 years and the T1100 was probably closer to that than the Smoke so that may have had an impact on it but I just wasn't loving the feel of the Smoke.




    The entire EF line is much closer in feel to Dimana than HZRDUS. With the Smoke you don't have to swing as aggressively as you would with the original Black but you pretty much still have to be on the aggressive side during transition in order to load properly. EF ones would load up with a much smoother transition. I was a long time Diamana fan as well, and totally fell in love my EF line of shafts.
    2017 M1 440 10.5, Project X Even Flow Black 65 6.0
    2017 M1 3W, Project X Even Flow Blue 75 6.0
    RBZ Stage 2 18*H,Project X Even Flow Blue 85 6.0
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  • AG12AG12 Members Posts: 599 ✭✭
    Great shaft in my TS2 3W/5W...beat out the Tensei, T1100
    Titleist TS2 9.5* Tensei Pro White 60S
    Titleist TS2 15* Tensei Pro White 70S
    Titleist 818H2 21* Atmos HB Tour Spec Blue 8S
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  • MorryMorry Members Posts: 829 ✭✭

    MattyO1984 wrote:


    I gave the Smoke a go yesterday and it wasn't for me. My fitter took me down to being between the Smoke and Even Flow T1100 but the T1100 won out in the end.



    They were both in a 6.0 Flex I wasn't a fan of the feel of the Smoke. I tried them with the Titleist TS3 with everything in neutral. The Smoke I felt like I was having to feel like I was trying to hit a big push to the right to stop it from hooking. To be fair, I have been using a Diamana D+ for the past 5-6 years and the T1100 was probably closer to that than the Smoke so that may have had an impact on it but I just wasn't loving the feel of the Smoke.




    The entire EF line is much closer in feel to Dimana than HZRDUS. With the Smoke you don't have to swing as aggressively as you would with the original Black but you pretty much still have to be on the aggressive side during transition in order to load properly. EF ones would load up with a much smoother transition. I was a long time Diamana fan as well, and totally fell in love my EF line of shafts.


    Wondering how you view the EF White

    and if you would ever consider it in a fairway wood

    thanks
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  • mesomikemesomike ClubWRX Posts: 510 ClubWRX
    KPH808 wrote:


    Do they make handcrafted version of this shaft?




    No the Smoke and Smoke Yellow were made after they decided to ship manufacturing overseas......




    The smoke’s shown in the picture at the beginning of this thread are handcrafted versions.
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  • mister2coolmister2cool Members Posts: 3,710 ✭✭
    Morry wrote:


    MattyO1984 wrote:


    I gave the Smoke a go yesterday and it wasn't for me. My fitter took me down to being between the Smoke and Even Flow T1100 but the T1100 won out in the end.



    They were both in a 6.0 Flex I wasn't a fan of the feel of the Smoke. I tried them with the Titleist TS3 with everything in neutral. The Smoke I felt like I was having to feel like I was trying to hit a big push to the right to stop it from hooking. To be fair, I have been using a Diamana D+ for the past 5-6 years and the T1100 was probably closer to that than the Smoke so that may have had an impact on it but I just wasn't loving the feel of the Smoke.




    The entire EF line is much closer in feel to Dimana than HZRDUS. With the Smoke you don't have to swing as aggressively as you would with the original Black but you pretty much still have to be on the aggressive side during transition in order to load properly. EF ones would load up with a much smoother transition. I was a long time Diamana fan as well, and totally fell in love my EF line of shafts.


    Wondering how you view the EF White

    and if you would ever consider it in a fairway wood

    thanks




    There is another thread on EF White, and I'd rather not repeat too much here. Basically I like EF White but I'm better suited for EF Black.

    Would I consider EF White for fairway or Smoke? Neither is well suited for me for fairway as I tend to hit low balls. I am using EF Blue in fairway to get a little help on launch angle. If you are a high ball hitter and have the club head speed, both are good options. I think HZRDUS Black\Smoke are better suited for a hitter where EF White is better for a sweeper.
    2017 M1 440 10.5, Project X Even Flow Black 65 6.0
    2017 M1 3W, Project X Even Flow Blue 75 6.0
    RBZ Stage 2 18*H,Project X Even Flow Blue 85 6.0
    Srixon z945 4-P, DG S300
    Nike Engage DS 52* DG S400
    Nike Engage TS 58* DG S400
    Callaway X-Forged 64* DG S400
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  • MorryMorry Members Posts: 829 ✭✭
    Thanks

    Will be interesting if the smoke yellow fills that role well

    Ping G400 10.5 - EvenFlow Blue 6.0 /
    Callaway Fusion 3W - Fuji Evo III S
    Srixon U65 18* - EvenFlow Blue 85 6.0
    Taylormade 790 4-P - Modus 105-S
    Cleveland RTX-4 52, 54, 56, 60 - Modus wedge 115,115,115,125
    Odyssey V-Line Fang O-Works - Stability Shaft 
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  • PixlPutterman PixlPutterman Look At My Lefty J33R(hey I can wish) Members Posts: 8,243 ✭✭
    Morry wrote:


    Thanks

    Will be interesting if the smoke yellow fills that role well




    The HZ Yellow is my current favorite from all we tested, really looking forward to the smoke Yellow.
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  • mBiden2mBiden2 #15 and counting..... Atlanta, GAMembers Posts: 737 ✭✭
    Morry wrote:


    Thanks

    Will be interesting if the smoke yellow fills that role well




    The HZ Yellow is my current favorite from all we tested, really looking forward to the smoke Yellow.




    When is that being released?
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  • GoGoErkyGoGoErky Members Posts: 1,135 ✭✭
    mBiden2 wrote:

    Morry wrote:


    Thanks

    Will be interesting if the smoke yellow fills that role well




    The HZ Yellow is my current favorite from all we tested, really looking forward to the smoke Yellow.




    When is that being released?




    If it gets released it won’t be for awhile. They are just starting to do limited tour testing now
  • PixlPutterman PixlPutterman Look At My Lefty J33R(hey I can wish) Members Posts: 8,243 ✭✭
    They won't start non tour testing till late March so my guess is a late spring public release
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  • Was fitted for my Cobra F9 yesterday and i was suprises i was fitted for the hzardus smoke 60g stiff shaft. My swingspeed was tops 102 mph and average 100 mph. Had tried the Atmos blue tour spec regular shaft before at the store and it feelt good but at the day at the fitting i spread it all over the place. I had the Aldila green 65g stiff before and i think the Smoke is more similar to my previous shaft wich made it feel real good. I thought i would get a regular shaft in my Cobra since i have feelt that the Aldila shaft maybe was wrongly fitted for me before since i am in the low 100mph bracket.
  • Rig14PortRig14Port Members Posts: 749 ✭✭
    edited Feb 12, 2019 4:54pm #165
    Got my sub zero out yesterday with the HZRDUS smoke and am thoroughly impressed. I'd put this shaft in the "smooth one piece" feeling category - not sure that is a thing actually. It reminds me a lot of the old ALDILA RIP BETA shafts I have lying around that I go back to from time to time. It transitions/loads nicely and I can definitely still feel where the club head is throughout the swing. 80 6.5 ordered for 3 wood!!
    Post edited by Unknown User on
    Epic Flash SZ 9* HZRDUS Smoke 70 6.5
    TM '17 M2 Tour 15* HZRDUS Smoke 80 6.5
    TM 17' M1 Rescue 19* Aldila ATX Green 105 TX
    PXG 0311T 4-PW DG TI X100
    Vokey SM7 Raw @ 51*, 55*, 59* DG TI S400
    Odyssey RSX 001
  • stk123stk123 Members Posts: 446 ✭✭
    Just ordered the new CBX 119 13.5* with Smoke 70x aka 6.5. Anybody have experience with this specific shaft in 3 wood?
  • Rig14PortRig14Port Members Posts: 749 ✭✭
    stk123 wrote:


    Just ordered the new CBX 119 13.5* with Smoke 70x aka 6.5. Anybody have experience with this specific shaft in 3 wood?


    Should be a bomber... Low/ mid launch & low spin with really tight dispersion. FYI - 70 is the weight 6.5 is the flex.
    Epic Flash SZ 9* HZRDUS Smoke 70 6.5
    TM '17 M2 Tour 15* HZRDUS Smoke 80 6.5
    TM 17' M1 Rescue 19* Aldila ATX Green 105 TX
    PXG 0311T 4-PW DG TI X100
    Vokey SM7 Raw @ 51*, 55*, 59* DG TI S400
    Odyssey RSX 001
  • stk123stk123 Members Posts: 446 ✭✭
    Rig14Port wrote:

    stk123 wrote:


    Just ordered the new CBX 119 13.5* with Smoke 70x aka 6.5. Anybody have experience with this specific shaft in 3 wood?


    Should be a bomber... Low/ mid launch & low spin with really tight dispersion. FYI - 70 is the weight 6.5 is the flex.




    Thanks for info. FYI, I am aware 70 is weight and 6.5 is flex. I was trying to write I got 70 in x-stiff aka 6.5 image/derisive.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':derisive:' />
  • SwingBluesSwingBlues We are the Old Dark Navy Blues Members Posts: 3,442 ✭✭
    edited Feb 14, 2019 4:07pm #169
    Rig14Port wrote:


    Got my sub zero out yesterday with the HZRDUS smoke and am thoroughly impressed. I'd put this shaft in the "smooth one piece" feeling category - not sure that is a thing actually. It reminds me a lot of the old ALDILA RIP BETA shafts I have lying around that I go back to from time to time. It transitions/loads nicely and I can definitely still feel where the club head is throughout the swing. 80 6.5 ordered for 3 wood!!




    Thoroughly agree, Callaway sent me the 6.0 Smoke instead of the 6.5 and I was very surprised by how smooth and controlled it was. A 6.0 as well, I like it so much I am considering keeping it as a backup. it's a mid launch and spin but the look of the flight. Defnitely one of the better "stock" shafts that comes bundled by the OEM. Nice job TT & its not even HC



    ps I would prefer this shaft over the HC Yellow 6.5 I once had
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  • MrShieldMrShield SwedenMembers Posts: 229 ✭✭
    I still haven’t found the bend profile for Smoke.



    Without knowing, is it stiff butt, medium middle and firm+ tip?
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  • AG12AG12 Members Posts: 599 ✭✭
    MrShield wrote:


    I still haven't found the bend profile for Smoke.



    Without knowing, is it stiff butt, medium middle and firm+ tip?




    Just going off of feel I'd say medium butt, medium middle and stiff tip with a mid kick point.....once again based on my findings which could be different than others.
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  • taylormade4lifetaylormade4life Members Posts: 1,259 ✭✭
    So now that these have been out, how do people like it?



    I love my 75 gram black in my 3 wood and have the 63 gram yellow in my driver. Would the smoke in a 60 gram be in between these two? Looking to lower from the yellow some but maybe not quite to the black.
  • Rig14PortRig14Port Members Posts: 749 ✭✭
    edited Feb 25, 2019 3:01pm #173


    So now that these have been out, how do people like it?



    I love my 75 gram black in my 3 wood and have the 63 gram yellow in my driver. Would the smoke in a 60 gram be in between these two? Looking to lower from the yellow some but maybe not quite to the black.




    170 post in this thread that would probably answer that question for you. Smoke is a smoother Black so not as demanding with launch and spin similar.
    Epic Flash SZ 9* HZRDUS Smoke 70 6.5
    TM '17 M2 Tour 15* HZRDUS Smoke 80 6.5
    TM 17' M1 Rescue 19* Aldila ATX Green 105 TX
    PXG 0311T 4-PW DG TI X100
    Vokey SM7 Raw @ 51*, 55*, 59* DG TI S400
    Odyssey RSX 001
  • BballMike14BballMike14 Members Posts: 90 ✭✭
    So now that these have been out, how do people like it?



    I love my 75 gram black in my 3 wood and have the 63 gram yellow in my driver. Would the smoke in a 60 gram be in between these two? Looking to lower from the yellow some but maybe not quite to the black.


    I just hit my TS3 3 wood with the 80g smoke - It feels very similar (to me) to the 75g black I have in my LTD 4-5. Ball speed, spin, control all definitely from the same family as the HZRDUS Black (and at least to me, PX iron shafts). I need to get out of the sim and on the course but I'm very happy with this shaft so far.
  • GolfSRQGolfSRQ Members Posts: 45 ✭✭


    Was fitted for my Cobra F9 yesterday and i was suprises i was fitted for the hzardus smoke 60g stiff shaft. My swingspeed was tops 102 mph and average 100 mph. Had tried the Atmos blue tour spec regular shaft before at the store and it feelt good but at the day at the fitting i spread it all over the place. I had the Aldila green 65g stiff before and i think the Smoke is more similar to my previous shaft wich made it feel real good. I thought i would get a regular shaft in my Cobra since i have feelt that the Aldila shaft maybe was wrongly fitted for me before since i am in the low 100mph bracket.


    My son has similar swingspeed 101-104 and he has done a lot of work on trackman with the new drivers and shafts and he’s getting the epic flash sz with the smoke 60 s. Was by far the best shaft for him. We are also getting one for his rogue 3w (evenflow broke)
  • jonnymc44jonnymc44 Manchester UKMembers Posts: 77 ✭✭
    edited Feb 28, 2019 4:42am #176
    GolfSRQ wrote:



    Was fitted for my Cobra F9 yesterday and i was suprises i was fitted for the hzardus smoke 60g stiff shaft. My swingspeed was tops 102 mph and average 100 mph. Had tried the Atmos blue tour spec regular shaft before at the store and it feelt good but at the day at the fitting i spread it all over the place. I had the Aldila green 65g stiff before and i think the Smoke is more similar to my previous shaft wich made it feel real good. I thought i would get a regular shaft in my Cobra since i have feelt that the Aldila shaft maybe was wrongly fitted for me before since i am in the low 100mph bracket.


    My son has similar swingspeed 101-104 and he has done a lot of work on trackman with the new drivers and shafts and he's getting the epic flash sz with the smoke 60 s. Was by far the best shaft for him. We are also getting one for his rogue 3w (evenflow broke)




    I'm similar SS to your son, perhaps a touch faster. I tried this year's offings in different stock shafts and ended up with the EFSZ with Smoke 60 S as well. It felt really stable and dispersion was incredible.Here's to hitting more fairways this year!
  • AG12AG12 Members Posts: 599 ✭✭

    Anyone still playing the Smoke Black 60S in their driver? I got that shaft as the stock option in my TS2 and thinking of giving it a try this weekend for s**ts and giggles.

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    Titleist TS2 15* Tensei Pro White 70S
    Titleist 818H2 21* Atmos HB Tour Spec Blue 8S
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  • DatSliceDoeDatSliceDoe Camerons & Cobras One fairway overMembers Posts: 2,233 ✭✭

    Anyone playing the 70S in driver? Seems like a lot of people swinging the 60.

  • QuigleyDUQuigleyDU Members Posts: 6,523 ✭✭

    I am not a fan of the stock smoke black. feel off to me, not a good feeling. I prefer the EF white T1100 over the smoke.

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  • IL2AZIL2AZ Members Posts: 284 ✭✭
    edited May 7, 2019 9:16pm #180

    Anyone know what the differences are between the handcrafted 6.5 TX and the retail 6.5? The TX has a torque of 3.2 vs 3.5 retail. Curious if the weight, balance point and bend profile are the same...I PMed True Temper a few days ago, but have not heard back as of yet.

    Taylormade Tour Issue 2016 M2 8.5 Kuro Kage XT 60TX
    Ping G410 9 Hzrdus Smoke Black 60 6.5TX
    Ping G400 LST 8.5 Diamana BF 60TX
    Taylormade Tour Issue 2016 M2 3HL Diamana BF 70x
    Taylormade M3 5W Aldila Rogue Black 80X
    PXG 0311X 3-5 Project X HC Even Flow Blue 6.0
    Mizuno MP 18 SC Nippon Modus 120x
    Vokey SM6 50F, 54S, 60S
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