Shallowed my swing but can't stop hitting it off the bottom/thin. Help!

I've made significant progress as of late. Shallowing much better and exiting low left/around my body with a good pivot. never really been on who hits a thin ball but contact feels horrible since the changes. Efeels thin or off the bottom grooves. Assuming my body will make a compensation to find middle but want to make sure I don't get into any bad habits. Can anyone explain why or something to try to adjust contact? Thanks!
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  • Have the same problem as you from flattening my swing. I'm more consistent, but iron shots feel terrible.
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  • MadGolfer76MadGolfer76 Admiration is the state furthest from understanding. Members Posts: 19,850 ✭✭
    You can go too much the other way. Nothing wrong with being a little down with irons.
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  • Nard_SNard_S Members Posts: 3,120 ✭✭
    Have had same issue, the thin shot is dominant miss these days



    Find that it's imperative to keep left/lead side low in transition, Hip angle slightly down, lead shoulder moving away from head low. The whole "swing down hill" intent. Throw in a slight squat or crunching of body angles, it goes gold.



    I've always been steep with shaft plane, body was compensating by going flat, but better cocktail is body is steeper and shaft is flatter.
  • 4rheel4rheel OC, CaliforniaMembers Posts: 1,796 ✭✭
    Sounds like a ball position issue. Maybe move it back in your stance a ball?
  • ferrispgmferrispgm Members Posts: 1,885 ✭✭
    Could be too shallow, could need more right side bend on the downswing, could be a ball position issue. Could be a combination. Hard to say without video. You also may just need time to adjust. That being said, when you are more shallow, contact will sound/feel a touch thin if you are used to being steep because you are probably used to hitting the ball/ground at the same time. Hitting ball first then divot feels odd until you get used to it.
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  • tinman143tinman143 Members Posts: 332 ✭✭
    Jlopicco23 wrote:
    I've made significant progress as of late. Shallowing much better and exiting low left/around my body with a good pivot. never really been on who hits a thin ball but contact feels horrible since the changes. Efeels thin or off the bottom grooves. Assuming my body will make a compensation to find middle but want to make sure I don't get into any bad habits. Can anyone explain why or something to try to adjust contact? Thanks!




    It could be that your old steeper swing was forcing your body to extend. Now with this new shallowed swing perhaps you’re not flexing enough (hence the thin shots). Just my guess.
  • Santiago GolfSantiago Golf I Strive to make you Better Members Posts: 4,975 ✭✭


    You can go too much the other way. Nothing wrong with being a little down with irons.




    It depends if he was working on shallowing out his swing or shallowing out his angle of attack.



    1)Shallowing out your swing



    You can shallow out just fine and still hit down on irons a good amount. Brooks Koepka AA on a 6 iron is -9 and -3 on his driver, get shallow. Probably if this is the case, the issue is a sequencing one where he has let the arms be to passive and club isn't reaching the ground or the club is too open because of the shallowing move (probably still more a forced than natural) and he has to flip it to save a potential foul ball and he doesn't realize this is the case. Tough to say though without a DTL and FO



    2) Shallowing out AA

    You will always hit down on your irons, there is no way to get underneath them. The feeling that helps golfers more is hitting the ball then the ground.
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  • HoosierMizunoHoosierMizuno Members Posts: 3,352 ✭✭
    now include more right side bend through impact.
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  • SPIFSPIF Posts: 768 ✭✭
    Every suggestion is a guess at best, if you don't post a video of your swing. Blindly following blind and random tips will almost certainly be a bad move.



    Post a swing, and listen to the people who are known quantities when it comes to swing instruction.
  • carreracarrera Members Posts: 2,542 ✭✭
    This video by Tyler Ferrell is on point:



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  • LCGALBERTALCGALBERTA Members Posts: 67
    OP how is your knee bend? you may want to try putting yourself lower to the ground.
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  • FourTopsFourTops Banned Posts: 1,676 ✭✭
    Put up a video...no way to comment otherwise.
  • A.PrinceyA.Princey Major Hacker Members Posts: 2,072 ✭✭
    First, try standing closer to the ball. It may steepen the plane, but there's been many highly regarded players that seem to think one cannot get too close to the ball in the first place. Closer to the ball will shorten the distance between your hands and ground, making your clubhead take a lower route into the ball. It's worth a shot.
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  • blehnhardblehnhard Over The Hill & Almost Down The Other Side Posts: 489 ✭✭
    Swings tend to follow 2 patterns - steep early, shallow late or shallow early then steep late. If you do a good job of shallowing the plan early in the transition/ downswing, you must begin to steepen around P6. Got to "tumble" that clubhead out to get some negative AoA for irons.
  • BottleCapBottleCap Members Posts: 1,268 ✭✭
    carrera wrote:


    This video by Tyler Ferrell is on point:








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  • MadGolfer76MadGolfer76 Admiration is the state furthest from understanding. Members Posts: 19,850 ✭✭



    You can go too much the other way. Nothing wrong with being a little down with irons.




    It depends if he was working on shallowing out his swing or shallowing out his angle of attack.



    1)Shallowing out your swing



    You can shallow out just fine and still hit down on irons a good amount. Brooks Koepka AA on a 6 iron is -9 and -3 on his driver, get shallow. Probably if this is the case, the issue is a sequencing one where he has let the arms be to passive and club isn't reaching the ground or the club is too open because of the shallowing move (probably still more a forced than natural) and he has to flip it to save a potential foul ball and he doesn't realize this is the case. Tough to say though without a DTL and FO



    2) Shallowing out AA

    You will always hit down on your irons, there is no way to get underneath them. The feeling that helps golfers more is hitting the ball then the ground.




    If you want to split hairs, start a thread.
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  • ShamblesShambles Members Posts: 3,548 ✭✭
    Jlopicco23 wrote:


    I've made significant progress as of late. Shallowing much better and exiting low left/around my body with a good pivot. never really been on who hits a thin ball but contact feels horrible since the changes. Efeels thin or off the bottom grooves. Assuming my body will make a compensation to find middle but want to make sure I don't get into any bad habits. Can anyone explain why or something to try to adjust contact? Thanks!




    Happens to everybody as they learn to swing. We all swing too deep or too shallow as we transition through the various stages of the swing. It's a learning experience but it time you shall learn to hit solid and eventually even learn to hit thin on purpose as the occasion demands. It's all a learning thing. Just keep working at it and relax through the learning.







    Shambles
  • FourTopsFourTops Banned Posts: 1,676 ✭✭
    Still...please post a video...impossible to know otherwise.
  • mingoo75mingoo75 Members Posts: 53 ClubWRX



    You can go too much the other way. Nothing wrong with being a little down with irons.




    It depends if he was working on shallowing out his swing or shallowing out his angle of attack.



    1)Shallowing out your swing



    You can shallow out just fine and still hit down on irons a good amount. Brooks Koepka AA on a 6 iron is -9 and -3 on his driver, get shallow. Probably if this is the case, the issue is a sequencing one where he has let the arms be to passive and club isn't reaching the ground or the club is too open because of the shallowing move (probably still more a forced than natural) and he has to flip it to save a potential foul ball and he doesn't realize this is the case. Tough to say though without a DTL and FO



    2) Shallowing out AA

    You will always hit down on your irons, there is no way to get underneath them. The feeling that helps golfers more is hitting the ball then the ground.




    Thanks for highlighting this distinction. A lot of threads seem to get confused about the difference.

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