Ban Green-Reading Books?

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  • BarfolomewBarfolomew #worstWRXer Members  1936WRX Points: 407Posts: 1,936 Platinum Tees
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    Who in the **** let those cheating books into the pro game in the first place......moron



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    gatorMD wrote:


    any update on this?

    http://www.usga.org/...ation-final.pdf



    i used one of these today and man i thought it was actually very helpful.....




    it seems like they're going to allow them but in a smaller scale



    https://www.golfchannel.com/article/golf-central-blog/usga-ra-unveil-new-limits-green-books



    l limit images of greens to a scale of 3/8 inch to 5 yards (1:480), and books can be no larger than 4 1/4 inches by 7 inches (pocket-sized). The interpretation also bans the use of magnification devices beyond normal prescription glasses.
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    Creedo77 wrote:

    gatorMD wrote:


    any update on this?

    http://www.usga.org/...ation-final.pdf



    i used one of these today and man i thought it was actually very helpful.....




    it seems like they're going to allow them but in a smaller scale



    https://www.golfchan...its-green-books



    l limit images of greens to a scale of 3/8 inch to 5 yards (1:480), and books can be no larger than 4 1/4 inches by 7 inches (pocket-sized). The interpretation also bans the use of magnification devices beyond normal prescription glasses.
    Bryson DeChambeau: "I think this means I can have those 10x power bifocals."
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  • A.PrinceyA.Princey Major Hacker Members  2548WRX Points: 533Handicap: 3Posts: 2,548 Titanium Tees
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    I think handmade ones that don't compute exact hole location fall lines are ok, when they publish a whole new set of maps for each day of the tournament as the holes change, that's going too far.
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    A.Princey wrote:


    I think handmade ones that don't compute exact hole location fall lines are ok, when they publish a whole new set of maps for each day of the tournament as the holes change, that's going too far.




    they dont make new books for each day.



    the books dont indicate hole locations either
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    Creedo77 wrote:

    A.Princey wrote:


    I think handmade ones that don't compute exact hole location fall lines are ok, when they publish a whole new set of maps for each day of the tournament as the holes change, that's going too far.




    they dont make new books for each day.



    the books dont indicate hole locations either




    They certainly do, on both counts.
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    Yeah, they have books with red lines near the hole indicating straight putts to the particular hole location, indicating which sides of the hole have putts that will remain within the cup width if struck solid and straight.
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    Creedo77 wrote:

    A.Princey wrote:


    I think handmade ones that don't compute exact hole location fall lines are ok, when they publish a whole new set of maps for each day of the tournament as the holes change, that's going too far.




    they dont make new books for each day.



    the books dont indicate hole locations either




    They certainly do, on both counts.




    sorry, complete brain ****, mine was for Sunday of the event I was in.



    Last year at the same event they only gave out one book (might have been for the members at the club to purchase) and that didnt have the hole locations
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    A.Princey wrote:


    Yeah, they have books with red lines near the hole indicating straight putts to the particular hole location, indicating which sides of the hole have putts that will remain within the cup width if struck solid and straight.






    the one i have has the actual circle to indicate the hole location for that day....no signs of any red lines on mine
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    love this thing
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  • A.PrinceyA.Princey Major Hacker Members  2548WRX Points: 533Handicap: 3Posts: 2,548 Titanium Tees
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    "Yours", are you on tour?? The one Johnny Miller was showing during a broadcast a couple years back did.
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    A.Princey wrote:


    "Yours", are you on tour?? The one Johnny Miller was showing during a broadcast a few years back did.




    I worked the quicken loans this summer at my local course where I caddie.



    I didnt need one as I know the greens well, but the woman in charge of giving them out for the week offered them to the caddies who didnt purchase one ($150) before the event started to get feedback from us.



    Now, as I'm looking at the one I got two years ago there are more defined lines on that one. The one I got this summer is more generic ie not as many lines on the greens to the one from 2017.



    Although, looking at a buddies from Shinnecock there are the red lines (along with black) you're talking about.
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    I am OK with yardage books because they provide information that is able to be determined without special technology. If needed, the yardage can be paced off manually, with the exception of carries over water, etc. I am OK with green books that have information that the player and/or his caddie has prepared by manual observation such as, rolling balls on the green, notes from previous rounds played, Aimpoint, etc.



    I do NOT, in any way, believe that green reading books prepared using technology or equipment that provides information that can not be discernable by normal human perception should be allowed. Those type books remove what I feel is a necessary skill from the game. Walking off a yardage takes no special skill, just patience. Slope enabled lasers or anemometers (wind measuring devices) are not allowed for the same reason.
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    clublender wrote:


    Bryson DeChambeau ran into some trouble recently using a compass on the course. Then Golfweek recently broke the story that beginning January 1, 2019, green-reading books may be outlawed on tour. What should pros be allowed to use to assist their game and what should be banned? Green-reading books? Pin-placement maps? Rangefinders? Carts? Compasses? What's integral to the game and what is just a tool, like a sand wedge, a golf bag and a caddy? Can a golfer use a computer to calculate the best path to sink a putt?




    Won't Change anything. Plenty of ways to still have that information available through memory or...
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    Creedo77 wrote:

    gatorMD wrote:


    any update on this?

    [url="http://www.usga.org/content/dam/usga/pdf/2018/green-reading-materials/GRM-interpretation-final.pdf"]http://www.usga.org/...ation-final.pdf[/url]



    i used one of these today and man i thought it was actually very helpful.....




    it seems like they're going to allow them but in a smaller scale



    [url="https://www.golfchannel.com/article/golf-central-blog/usga-ra-unveil-new-limits-green-books"]https://www.golfchan...its-green-books[/url]



    l limit images of greens to a scale of 3/8 inch to 5 yards (1:480), and books can be no larger than 4 1/4 inches by 7 inches (pocket-sized). The interpretation also bans the use of magnification devices beyond normal prescription glasses.
    Bryson DeChambeau: "I think this means I can have those 10x power bifocals."


    He’d have them surgically implanted.
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    Yardage charts are fine and have been around for years . The green reading books take it a step too far . The skill of reading the greens is part of the game and should remain so . So therefore in my way of thinking the green books should be banned .

    In fact I would ban yardage charts and let the pro’s use rangefinders .
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  • marmadukmarmaduk Members  334WRX Points: 224Handicap: my golf swingPosts: 334 Greens
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    I like the idea of allowing lasers (no slope) and removing green books.



    This is totally my opinion. I like the idea of less prep time in between shots. This obviously will not guarantee that but I think would be a good compromise.



    For background I don’t use a line on my ball to putt. All feel. So, I’m biased to my method.
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    Have you seen https://www.strackaline.com/#/



    I was amazed, if it isn't cheating I don't know what is. Golf is supposed to be played from your skills, Oops, I forgot, we're growing the game.
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    I realize I'm repeating myself, but...



    So what publicly-available information can be documented and referenced, and what can't?

    I'm trying to figure out where to draw the line. No one has helped me draw it.



    Using publicly-available information isn't cheating, IMO. Since we have better methods of gathering that data economically, it now can't be used?
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    youraway2 wrote:


    Have you seen https://www.strackaline.com/#/



    I was amazed, if it isn't cheating I don't know what is. Golf is supposed to be played from your skills, Oops, I forgot, we're growing the game.




    i use one of these stracka yardage books on a course i caddie at....a few greens dont break the way the book says



    The tour sherpa books that the tour uses are much better
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