I need a shaft that doesn't go left :(

BrendanKreBrendanKre Members Posts: 177
Hey guys, I know there probably isn't a thing but I need a shaft I can swing as hard as I want with and my miss to not be left. I feel like my shaft has too much play. I swing around 120MPH. Looking for a mid ball flight. I just feel like I cant give it everything or I lose it left. ANy suggestions?
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  • BrendanKreBrendanKre Members Posts: 177
    or even what characteristics might help my problem
  • 5hort5tuff5hort5tuff Members Posts: 3,321 ✭✭
    What are you playing now equipment wise?



    We can go from there.
    COBRA LTD w. Hzrdus Red
    WISHON 919 w. Hzrdus Red
    TAYLORMADE Issue Aeroburner w. Tensei Blue
    PING G25 w. Tensei Blue
    PING I200 w. AWT 2.0
    PING Glide 2.0 Stealth
    MannKrafted Carbon WB Rattler
    Xenon Copper Wide X
    SGC 902
  • JagpilotohioJagpilotohio 45+ inch drivers are evil. Columbus, OHMembers Posts: 7,243 ✭✭
    And is the ball starting left and going more left, or is it starting right of your target and swinging hard left?



    A pull hook is caused by path and release issues. A push hook can often be helped by a stiffer shaft.
    9.5* Cobra LTD, Old school Grafalloy Blue, 43.5"
    14* Cally 815 alpha fuji 665 X 42"
    16* Cally 815 alpha fuji 665 X, 41.5" (set to 17*)
    19* Titleist 816 H2 fuji 8.8X TS 40.0"
    4-7 2016 Hogan PTx, KBS Tour V, 120X.  
    Ping i210 8 & 9 Proto 125 F5 hardstepped 1x.
    Ping glide 2 46-12, 50-12, 54-14 (at 55) stealth, Vokey SM6 60M (61). Wedges Recoil Proto 125 F5
    33.5" Ghost spider slant neck.
    Srixon Z-star XV
    Jones Trouper Bag
  • vanillafunk616vanillafunk616 Members Posts: 552 ✭✭
    The more stiff the tip is the more the shaft is considered anti left.
  • BrendanKreBrendanKre Members Posts: 177
    In all honesty I’m still playing my stiff from last year. Speeder 565. Started swinging a bit faster. My miss is where I’m aimed and a large overdraw. Not a pull hook.

    Ideally I would play a consistent fade lol
  • JagpilotohioJagpilotohio 45+ inch drivers are evil. Columbus, OHMembers Posts: 7,243 ✭✭
    BrendanKre wrote:


    In all honesty I’m still playing my stiff from last year. Speeder 565. Started swinging a bit faster. My miss is where I’m aimed and a large overdraw. Not a pull hook.



    Ideally I would play a consistent fade lol




    If you are comfortably swinging 120 mph you almost surely need a TX shaft. Plenty in BST.
    9.5* Cobra LTD, Old school Grafalloy Blue, 43.5"
    14* Cally 815 alpha fuji 665 X 42"
    16* Cally 815 alpha fuji 665 X, 41.5" (set to 17*)
    19* Titleist 816 H2 fuji 8.8X TS 40.0"
    4-7 2016 Hogan PTx, KBS Tour V, 120X.  
    Ping i210 8 & 9 Proto 125 F5 hardstepped 1x.
    Ping glide 2 46-12, 50-12, 54-14 (at 55) stealth, Vokey SM6 60M (61). Wedges Recoil Proto 125 F5
    33.5" Ghost spider slant neck.
    Srixon Z-star XV
    Jones Trouper Bag
  • BrendanKreBrendanKre Members Posts: 177
    BrendanKre wrote:


    In all honesty I’m still playing my stiff from last year. Speeder 565. Started swinging a bit faster. My miss is where I’m aimed and a large overdraw. Not a pull hook.



    Ideally I would play a consistent fade lol




    If you are comfortably swinging 120 mph you almost surely need a TX shaft. Plenty in BST.
    on the low side it’s 115, that’s my I’m trying to make good contact but don’t square up right.
  • DaveMacDaveMac Members Posts: 3,123 ✭✭
    BrendanKre wrote:


    Hey guys, I know there probably isn't a thing but I need a shaft I can swing as hard as I want with and my miss to not be left. I feel like my shaft has too much play. I swing around 120MPH. Looking for a mid ball flight. I just feel like I cant give it everything or I lose it left. ANy suggestions?




    With the greatest respect, what you want is a swing that doesn’t go left. I am sure you are aware, the power fade is currently the weapon of choice for many of the longest tour players.



    Put it another way if your left shot comes from being significantly off with your face / path there is nothing a shaft change can do to save that swing. Perhaps giving it everything, simply pushes your swing into a poor path / face angle.
  • trhodetrhode Fitter / Builder Members Posts: 1,969 ✭✭
    Not a shaft issue
  • MadGolfer76MadGolfer76 Admiration is the state furthest from understanding. Members Posts: 19,906 ✭✭


    The more stiff the tip is the more the shaft is considered anti left.




    Not entirely true.
    Callaway GBB Epic 10.5/Blueboard 73x
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    PING Sigma G Tyne
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    WITB
  • Mikey5eMikey5e Members Posts: 829 ✭✭
    So it's blame the equipment time? A good golfer can make any equipment work.
  • GMR2ironGMR2iron Members Posts: 1,534 ✭✭



    The more stiff the tip is the more the shaft is considered anti left.




    Not entirely true.
    Agree with Mad here. I currently play a Pro Orange, and before that a Black Tie, both are considered very tip stiff, yet I can still hook the ball off the planet. When arms out race body, it's hooking and there is no shaft going to fix it.
    Titleist 915D4 9.75 Matrix Black Tie
    Titleist 915F 15.5 Matrix Black Tie
    Titleist TMB 2 iron Tensei Pro White
    Titleist 718CB 3 thru PW
    Titleist SM7 50-08 and 56-08
    Yes! Tracy
  • PixlPutterman PixlPutterman Look At My Lefty J33R(hey I can wish) Members Posts: 8,265 ✭✭
    T1100
    PXG 0811x 9° - HC EvenFlow Black 75x 
    Mizuno MP Fli Hi 18° - C Taper 125
    Mizuno MP Fli Hi 23° - C Taper 120
    Wilson Staff FG62 - S300
    Cobra Tour Trusty 52°/56°/62°- S300
    Mizuno TP Mills TP7 
    RZN Platinum
  • 5hort5tuff5hort5tuff Members Posts: 3,321 ✭✭
    Mikey5e wrote:


    So it's blame the equipment time? A good golfer can make any equipment work.




    Yeah when a 115-120 is using a stiff 565 speeder, he's not doing himself any favors. He clearly needs a stiffer, likely heavier shaft

    COBRA LTD w. Hzrdus Red
    WISHON 919 w. Hzrdus Red
    TAYLORMADE Issue Aeroburner w. Tensei Blue
    PING G25 w. Tensei Blue
    PING I200 w. AWT 2.0
    PING Glide 2.0 Stealth
    MannKrafted Carbon WB Rattler
    Xenon Copper Wide X
    SGC 902
  • MadGolfer76MadGolfer76 Admiration is the state furthest from understanding. Members Posts: 19,906 ✭✭
    GMR2iron wrote:




    The more stiff the tip is the more the shaft is considered anti left.




    Not entirely true.
    Agree with Mad here. I currently play a Pro Orange, and before that a Black Tie, both are considered very tip stiff, yet I can still hook the ball off the planet. When arms out race body, it's hooking and there is no shaft going to fix it.




    Like you say, I think a lot of people overlook that the way a shaft feels can affect how a golfer delivers the club to the ball. Getting too far from optimum, be it too soft or too firm, can cause all kinds of jazz to happen.



    I'm talking like Kenny G jazz, and not Miles Davis jazz, dig?
    Callaway GBB Epic 10.5/Blueboard 73x
    ?
    ?
    ?
    PING Sigma G Tyne
    ?
    WITB
  • Chuck905Chuck905 Members Posts: 1,196 ✭✭
    565 is a junk shaft.



    Go with a Tensei White or Orange Pro if you can afford it. If not, goneith the standard white in a 75 or 80 gram shaft.



    I aim down the left side all day with no fear and now play a power fade.


    BrendanKre wrote:


    In all honesty I’m still playing my stiff from last year. Speeder 565. Started swinging a bit faster. My miss is where I’m aimed and a large overdraw. Not a pull hook.



    Ideally I would play a consistent fade lol
    Epic SZ 10*, Tensei White 75
    Epic SZ Strong 3 Wood, 13.5*
    U45 17*, Recoil 110
    3-PW Mizuno MP18 Blades
    Mizuno T7s 54-8 SW and 58-12 LW
    Ping Redwood
  • MadGolfer76MadGolfer76 Admiration is the state furthest from understanding. Members Posts: 19,906 ✭✭
    Chuck905 wrote:


    565 is a junk shaft.



    Go with a Tensei White or Orange Pro if you can afford it. If not, goneith the standard white in a 75 or 80 gram shaft.



    I aim down the left side all day with no fear and now play a power fade.


    BrendanKre wrote:


    In all honesty I'm still playing my stiff from last year. Speeder 565. Started swinging a bit faster. My miss is where I'm aimed and a large overdraw. Not a pull hook.



    Ideally I would play a consistent fade lol





    Ouch. Better get on with replacing mine!
    Callaway GBB Epic 10.5/Blueboard 73x
    ?
    ?
    ?
    PING Sigma G Tyne
    ?
    WITB
  • DomgolferDomgolfer Banned Posts: 16
    I’ve been using a tensei orange for a couple weeks now and it’s totally transformed my driving have been fighting hooks for the last couple of years and haven’t had a bad snap with the po yet
  • WanLeftyWanLefty Members Posts: 464 ✭✭
    Swing issue or not the 565 is probably not ideal for someone who can get it up at 120...



    As others have suggested - get something in X-TX and a little heavier to try. If budget is not an issue Tensei Pro Orange will be about as ant left as you can get. A little lower on the budget would be something like an older Speeder 757 in x - maybe tip it from there.



    If either of those don't do what you expect them to then the swing will need some work (But whose doesn't??)



    Wan
  • BrendanKreBrendanKre Members Posts: 177
    WanLefty wrote:
    Swing issue or not the 565 is probably not ideal for someone who can get it up at 120...



    As others have suggested - get something in X-TX and a little heavier to try. If budget is not an issue Tensei Pro Orange will be about as ant left as you can get. A little lower on the budget would be something like an older Speeder 757 in x - maybe tip it from there.



    If either of those don't do what you expect them to then the swing will need some work (But whose doesn't??)



    Wan
    Had a beautiful straight/5yard fade going last year and now I have the same shot with a 1/5 snap hook going on. To all you knowledgeable people here on shafts I’ll just throw it out there. Budget is and isn’t an issue, if I love something then I’ll pay for it but I’d try cheaper alternatives because if they do the same why not use them. What’re some recommended shafts. I like playing a straight/very tiny fade. Swing speed average probably 118-120 right now. Like a mid/high launching shaft. It’s going in a rogue head 9 degree as I’ve never had spin issues. All suggestions welcome.
  • BrendanKreBrendanKre Members Posts: 177
    Mikey5e wrote:
    So it's blame the equipment time? A good golfer can make any equipment work.
    Ive known the shaft isn’t fit for me since putting it to work this year. I loved it last year and it was great for me just need something stiffer is all.
  • BrendanKreBrendanKre Members Posts: 177
    DaveMac wrote:
    BrendanKre wrote:


    Hey guys, I know there probably isn't a thing but I need a shaft I can swing as hard as I want with and my miss to not be left. I feel like my shaft has too much play. I swing around 120MPH. Looking for a mid ball flight. I just feel like I cant give it everything or I lose it left. ANy suggestions?




    With the greatest respect, what you want is a swing that doesn’t go left. I am sure you are aware, the power fade is currently the weapon of choice for many of the longest tour players.



    Put it another way if your left shot comes from being significantly off with your face / path there is nothing a shaft change can do to save that swing. Perhaps giving it everything, simply pushes your swing into a poor path / face angle.
    totally understand that, I’d just like to try something a bit heavier and stiff to slow it down a bit.
  • Chuck905Chuck905 Members Posts: 1,196 ✭✭
    Check where your spin rates and launch angles are at.



    The 565 are high launching and high spinning shafts.



    Going heavier will reduce your spin rate, have more control which translates to quality strikes.



    You would be surprised, you may not lose any club head speed at all going to a 75/80 gram shaft.
    Epic SZ 10*, Tensei White 75
    Epic SZ Strong 3 Wood, 13.5*
    U45 17*, Recoil 110
    3-PW Mizuno MP18 Blades
    Mizuno T7s 54-8 SW and 58-12 LW
    Ping Redwood
  • Howard JonesHoward Jones Members Posts: 8,647 ✭✭
    BrendanKre wrote:


    Hey guys, I know there probably isn't a thing but I need a shaft I can swing as hard as I want with and my miss to not be left. I feel like my shaft has too much play. I swing around 120MPH. Looking for a mid ball flight. I just feel like I cant give it everything or I lose it left. ANy suggestions?




    As you can see from the replies, it could be several different causes to your problems, both equipment and player related.



    The shaft you play was not made for that club speed, and if the shaft is the reason for your problems, simply look for LOW launch profiles (forget mid, it neutral and no bias, while low is anti left and high is anti right)



    PX T1100 is a good option to try, but make sure shaft wgt is right to start with.



    If the problem is to much face closing, we should look at both face angle, Grip size, and grip profile.

    A more open face angle from address can help out, so can a grip with a larger diameter for the lowest hand, and maybe a combination of both is what it takes,



    We use the lowest hand for face closing, and if diameter is too small, it becomes variable from stroke to stroke and very hard to get right. When the lowest hand gets a larger diameter, we slow things down a bit, and it becomes easier to do the same again since it gives you more "time" during release and face closing.



    There is a trend now in the grip marked where the taper is straiten out to give the lowest hand a larger size than what has been normal for some time. Look at grips like Golf Pride MCC +4, or follow this link to a DIY for asymmetrical build up you can use on any grip to straiten out the taper and get a larger diameter for the lowest hand. If you follow this DIY and use ordinary GP New Decade, they become very close to MCC +4.



    http://www.golfwrx.com/forums/topic/913717-building-up-a-grip/#entry7918195



    That DIY was written before MCC +4 came to the marked, but the "need" was known, so this was how i adjusted grips in cases we needed a larger diameter for the lowest hand. Its VERY good for wedges, it became a standard for wedges from my shop, but it can be used on any club or grip where we want a better control of face angle at impact.
  • vanillafunk616vanillafunk616 Members Posts: 552 ✭✭
    GMR2iron wrote:




    The more stiff the tip is the more the shaft is considered anti left.




    Not entirely true.
    Agree with Mad here. I currently play a Pro Orange, and before that a Black Tie, both are considered very tip stiff, yet I can still hook the ball off the planet. When arms out race body, it's hooking and there is no shaft going to fix it.




    No one said its impossible to hook a tip stiff shaft. But as much as a shaft can help you, that's the starting point.



    Let's hear what shaft characteristics you consider to have anti left bias.
  • BrendanKreBrendanKre Members Posts: 177
    BrendanKre wrote:


    Hey guys, I know there probably isn't a thing but I need a shaft I can swing as hard as I want with and my miss to not be left. I feel like my shaft has too much play. I swing around 120MPH. Looking for a mid ball flight. I just feel like I cant give it everything or I lose it left. ANy suggestions?




    As you can see from the replies, it could be several different causes to your problems, both equipment and player related.



    The shaft you play was not made for that club speed, and if the shaft is the reason for your problems, simply look for LOW launch profiles (forget mid, it neutral and no bias, while low is anti left and high is anti right)



    PX T1100 is a good option to try, but make sure shaft wgt is right to start with.



    If the problem is to much face closing, we should look at both face angle, Grip size, and grip profile.

    A more open face angle from address can help out, so can a grip with a larger diameter for the lowest hand, and maybe a combination of both is what it takes,



    We use the lowest hand for face closing, and if diameter is too small, it becomes variable from stroke to stroke and very hard to get right. When the lowest hand gets a larger diameter, we slow things down a bit, and it becomes easier to do the same again since it gives you more "time" during release and face closing.



    There is a trend now in the grip marked where the taper is straiten out to give the lowest hand a larger size than what has been normal for some time. Look at grips like Golf Pride MCC +4, or follow this link to a DIY for asymmetrical build up you can use on any grip to straiten out the taper and get a larger diameter for the lowest hand. If you follow this DIY and use ordinary GP New Decade, they become very close to MCC +4.



    http://www.golfwrx.com/forums/topic/913717-building-up-a-grip/#entry7918195



    That DIY was written before MCC +4 came to the marked, but the "need" was known, so this was how i adjusted grips in cases we needed a larger diameter for the lowest hand. Its VERY good for wedges, it became a standard for wedges from my shop, but it can be used on any club or grip where we want a better control of face angle at impact.
    so try a larger grip as well as a heavier stiffer shaft?
  • BrendanKreBrendanKre Members Posts: 177
    Chuck905 wrote:
    Check where your spin rates and launch angles are at.



    The 565 are high launching and high spinning shafts.



    Going heavier will reduce your spin rate, have more control which translates to quality strikes.



    You would be surprised, you may not lose any club head speed at all going to a 75/80 gram shaft.
    i was put into a tensei white 70 gram at a very brief fitting. It got me to a 10 launch angle, 2300 spin and just about 300 carry. I just felt like I hard to force the ball up in the air and didn’t enjoy that. Helpful at all?
  • duck hookduck hook Members Posts: 1,101 ✭✭
    Heavier definitely
  • dgp17dgp17 Members Posts: 80 ✭✭
    Tensei Pro Orange 70TX is the most anti-left shaft on the market. Everyone is correct that swing path and arms being out of sync can make any shaft hook, including the Pro Orange. But since I started playing the Pro Orange in the spring, my left miss has gone from a quick hook to more of a low pull. I doubt I will ever change to another shaft. I also don't swing nearly as hard as you do--107-108mph. FYI- I also play mine at 44.25".
    [font=georgia,serif]Taylormade M3 460 10.5* - Mitsubishi Tensei CK Pro Orange 70TX[/font]

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    [font=georgia,serif]Mizuno CLK Hybrid 19* - KBS Tour Hybrid Prototype 95 S+[/font]

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    [font=georgia,serif]Titleist Vokey SM7 58*, SM5 54*, 50* - Dynamic Gold Tour Issue S400[/font]

    [font=georgia,serif]Kingston KP1 GSS[/font]

    [font=georgia,serif]Tayloramde TP5x[/font]
  • JStangJStang Members Posts: 2,458 ✭✭
    Kuro Kage Dual Core TX. I have played a few other shafts where my miss would be left but going back to the KK Dual Core almost completely took the left side out of play for me.
    '16 M2 Rogue Fairway | 915H 2 & 3 | Apex Pro Dot's | Vokey SM6 52, 58 | Studio Stainless Newport 2
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