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stuntedstunted Advanced Members Posts: 96
Continuing from this thread http://www.golfwrx.com/forums/topic/1678810-anyone-hitting-tons-of-balls-every-day-how-do-you-get-your-body-ready-for-it/



Little bit about me - I'm close to a +3. Played golf all throughout my childhood and on the high school team, best I got to was an inconsistent 3. Next dozen years basically didn't play golf, maybe once a year, few times at the range. A few months ago I found 1atomicgolf's youtube channel, where he teaches "Channel Lock" swing. In just a few range sessions I was hitting it way more consistently than I ever did, and I fell in love with golf again. A month ago I purchased Skytrak, and switched away from the Channel Lock swing. It's a great swing but I was drawing the ball a bit and my goal is a near dead-straight ball flight.



+3, am I crazy? My theory is that I can get my swing to where I am hitting 95/100 7 irons inside 10 yards left/right from the center line on Skytrak (solidly struck), and something similar with the driver. Why is 95% important? The inspiration behind this is Steph Curry - he shoots 45% from 3, but I would guess if he was wide open in-game with nobody trying to block it'd be somewhere around 60%. He shoots about 90% on wide open 3's in practice (he's made 77 in a row before), so I figure something above that would mean very elite ball-striking. This guy is also another inspiration, and disproves the idea that launch monitor success can't carry over to the golf course. I plan on upgrading from my 15 year old set of clubs to the Edel single length irons for 7-and-up, should be optimal for what I'm doing (even though I hit my long irons well), but I'm gonna make myself earn them first. I want to be firing at pins on tough, long courses so to me irons are priority. Then I'll work on perfecting the driver, wedges especially, and lastly short game and putting - and start playing a lot next year as well. I'm +3 and better or bust, and analytics has shown long game to be by far the most important. So if I can't hit the ball like I want to (probably by the end of the year), I consider this all a fail and not worth spending time with short game and putting.



How do I hit it now? With my current swing I think I am around 60-70% on Skytrak in hitting it within 10 yards of center. My ball flight is near straight with not a lot of curve even on misses, but I still frequently lose my swing. The one round I was able to play post-skytrak and pre-injury I hit my irons very well, but everything else was bad.



My plan would be to hit 100-150 deliberate full shots a day, checking video and making sure swing plane is right. I may get online coaching, but would be great to figure this out on my own. Pretty happy with my swing right now. I'll keep track of the last 25 or so each day to know where I'm at and to have something to post. Once I can get 80% consistently, I'll start working on drives. Also I'll end each day doing ladder drills with my wedges until I get bored or have other stuff to do. I have injury concerns - already threw out my back, and I have some issues with my hands/wrists/elbows, probably from hitting off mats and range rocks pre-skytrak. I have divotaction which keeps things from getting worse, but it's not getting better. Hopefully switching to graphite, softer balls, bionic gloves, and jumbomax grips will help. I'd like to mix in working out somehow - I'm decently long but if I can average 10 more yards that'd be great. If I can hit all my long game goals, I'll move the goal to 95/100 within 7 yards of center line, as well as going all in on putting and short game.





My back is healed so I'm ready to get this started. I hope this is interesting for you guys to read. I'll post screenshots, weekly stats, etc. Interested in making bets on this too. And I predict a continuation from my last thread of unsolicited advice, and arguing over the importance of short game image/wink.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=';)' />
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  • RattlesnakeRonRattlesnakeRon Student of the Game Advanced Members Posts: 854
    edited August 2018
    The best you’ve been is a 3, and you’re “pretty close to a +3”?



    More power to ya, but I’d take action on this, if only because you’re not being realistic. Going from a 3 to a +3 is probably 20 times harder than going from a 9 to a 3. It’s not a linear progression.



    How old are you, and are you going to post up your GHIN with T scores? And will you post video of your swing?
  • lewisbeardwelllewisbeardwell Advanced Members Posts: 103 ✭✭
    This is how you get better, be ambitions, aim for +3 if you fall short at +1 then great. Last summer I started at 7 and aimed for 4 got there after a few months and then found it hard to reset and aim for lower again, wish I set my target lower
  • pinhigh27pinhigh27 Advanced Members Posts: 9,571 ✭✭
    How about scratch first and then +3. +3 takes a lot of maintenance. Like play or practice 5x/week+ usually.
    How to be in better shape for golf?
    Become a better athlete.
    Don't worry about golf specific.
    Compound lifts w/ linear progress
    Don't forget the mobility work.
    More results, more functional

    Spin is not your enemy, everything is a trade-off.
    17 * 1700 goes really far, but doesn't go very straight or consistent
    8* 3500 goes really straight, but doesn't go very far
    Answer for most is somewhere in the middle.
    Pga tour driver avg launch conditions: 11* 2700
  • bogeyprobogeypro The Original Bogeypro ClubWRX Charter Members Posts: 3,136 ClubWRX
    edited August 2018
    Getting to + handicap isn’t about beating balls till your hands bleed. It’s about using your brain on the course, playing smart, minimizing strokes from bad shots, and learning how to score.



    Yes, you will probably need be on course 5 days a week to learn these skills. It’s s long way from 3 to +3.
    Taylormade M1 (2017) 440 9.5* tour w/Speeder 757 Evo ii X<br />Taylormade M1 (2017) 3 wood w/Aldila Tour Blue 75x<br />Mizuno MP18 flihi 3 iron <br />Mizuno MP18 SC 4-pw KBS Tour<br />Taylormade High Toe 52/58 wedges <br />Scotty Cameron 5.5m
  • stuntedstunted Advanced Members Posts: 96


    The best you've been is a 3, and you're "pretty close to a +3"?



    More power to ya, but I'd take action on this, if only because you're not being realistic. Going from a 3 to a +3 is probably 20 times harder than going from a 9 to a 3. It's not a linear progression.



    How old are you, and are you going to post up your GHIN with T scores? And will you post video of your swing?




    I hit the ball better than a 3 now, but my short game is like a 20. I'll post GHIN when I play more, but I won't be playing much the rest of this year besides random rounds with friends or family. I'll eventually post swing video.






    This is how you get better, be ambitions, aim for +3 if you fall short at +1 then great. Last summer I started at 7 and aimed for 4 got there after a few months and then found it hard to reset and aim for lower again, wish I set my target lower




    Yup that is what I'm thinking too image/smile.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':)' />




    bogeypro wrote:


    Getting to + handicap isn't about beating balls till your hands bleed. It's about using your brain on the course, playing smart, minimizing strokes from bad shots, and learning how to score.



    Yes, you will probably need be on course 5 days a week to learn these skills. It's s long way from 3 to +3.




    I plan to use bluegolf.com to map out courses I play, even home courses. Figure out strategies based on my shot dispersion and short game odds. But I want to train myself to hit the ball like a machine first. Most sports you need to learn the skills and fundamentals before learning plays, otherwise you can't execute the plays, and I see ball striking as the fundamentals.
  • jj9000jj9000 ClubWRX Charter Members Posts: 2,550 ClubWRX
    You received some really, really, good suggestions in your other thread.



    Your issue is that you don't want to listen to suggestions of instructors and players that have been there and done that. ****, you even have one guy willing to bet you won't make it to scratch.



    You want to do it your way, which is admirable. However, until you begin to listen, you won't sniff a legit Tournament tested scratch by next summer. I don't care how many SkyTrack balls you bang out.



    Next week you should start another "Look at me" thread with the same title and contents.
  • stuntedstunted Advanced Members Posts: 96
    jj9000 wrote:


    Go play golf.



    Play 9 holes as opposed to banging out 200 balls.



    If you still have time after 9 holes, grab your shag bag, and hit the short game area for a while.



    Much more effective.




    LOL. That's exactly what I did as a kid. Never got better than a 3 - I was scrambling for my life and hit it everywhere on the course.
  • joedizzy1978joedizzy1978 Advanced Members Posts: 122
    You don’t have to listen to anybody. You know why there isn’t a manual on how to become a successful tour player or + handicap? No one knows. Go out and get it.
  • jj9000jj9000 ClubWRX Charter Members Posts: 2,550 ClubWRX


    You don’t have to listen to anybody. You know why there isn’t a manual on how to become a successful tour player or + handicap? No one knows. Go out and get it.




    You want to know how I know you didn't take the time to read his first thread?
  • dg_1983dg_1983 Advanced Members Posts: 1,283
    edited August 2018
    (even though I hit my long irons well)



    What club is this? It is just short of my 6iron ball speed but has half the spin........also - turn on the 50shot tracer if you gonna post up, infact better still, dump the export of the shot history
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    2015 Low 2.6
    2016 Low 2.1
    2017 Target 1.4
    2018 Target 0.4
    2019 Target +15
    Current 0.2
  • stuntedstunted Advanced Members Posts: 96


    You don't have to listen to anybody. You know why there isn't a manual on how to become a successful tour player or + handicap? No one knows. Go out and get it.




    100%. To be clear, I welcome advice. There were some great ones in that thread that I'm thankful for and I'm applying them. And the advice that doesn't match my ideas I still may disagree with but it makes me think. But to say I'm absolutely wrong is and their way is 100% correct is ridiculous. I've tried their way - it didn't work. My way isn't guaranteed to work but it's working so far, so I'm going to keep doing it.





    New practice club. Random Miura 7 iron. I gained a good club over my 690cb's. I'm not experiencing any legendary feel with it but probably due to the graphite shaft:



    pOkKTTm.jpg?1





    First healthy 20 shots after warming up:



    [img]blob:https://imgur.com/3d243825-d298-43d0-9e5f-210d1f171c26[/img]wYRVi6t.png

    Good start, only 5 outside 10 yards right or left. 6 centerlines (<200 spin and <2 degrees). Contact wasn't always consistent, hit some chunky. Used a wilson duo soft spin (bc of the 40 compression) and pro v1 for the rest, which explains the knuckle balls that went 190+ yards. I'm thinking it's best to stick with balls more similar to what I'd game.
  • stuntedstunted Advanced Members Posts: 96
    dg_1983 wrote:
    (even though I hit my long irons well) What club is this? It is just short of my 6iron ball speed but has half the spin........also - turn on the 50shot tracer if you gonna post up, infact better still, dump the export of the shot history




    If I want to improve 6-8 strokes in a year, I'm not sure I want to listen to the guy who improved 2 strokes in 4 years.
  • Hawkeye77Hawkeye77 Countdown to The Masters! ClubWRX Charter Members Posts: 16,734 ClubWRX
    Golf isn't Space Invaders.
  • bogeyprobogeypro The Original Bogeypro ClubWRX Charter Members Posts: 3,136 ClubWRX
    Get off the computer and get to the course. Your approach to this is fundamentally wrong. It reminds me of when rocky was fighting the Russian. Russian was computer trained where rocky was real world trained.



    The course doesn’t have perfect lies. You need to play for something so you know how your nerves and thinking will react. At this point, you can hit shots..,you just need to get on the course and learn to hit what shot and when.
    Taylormade M1 (2017) 440 9.5* tour w/Speeder 757 Evo ii X<br />Taylormade M1 (2017) 3 wood w/Aldila Tour Blue 75x<br />Mizuno MP18 flihi 3 iron <br />Mizuno MP18 SC 4-pw KBS Tour<br />Taylormade High Toe 52/58 wedges <br />Scotty Cameron 5.5m
  • gatorMDgatorMD Hacker-in-Chief ClubWRX Charter Members Posts: 4,123 ClubWRX
    edited August 2018
    stunted wrote:


    Continuing from this thread http://www.golfwrx.c...y-ready-for-it/



    Little bit about me - I'm close to a +3. Played golf all throughout my childhood and on the high school team, best I got to was an inconsistent 3. Next dozen years basically didn't play golf, maybe once a year, few times at the range. A few months ago I found 1atomicgolf's youtube channel, where he teaches "Channel Lock" swing. In just a few range sessions I was hitting it way more consistently than I ever did, and I fell in love with golf again. A month ago I purchased Skytrak, and switched away from the Channel Lock swing. It's a great swing but I was drawing the ball a bit and my goal is a near dead-straight ball flight.



    +3, am I crazy? My theory is that I can get my swing to where I am hitting 95/100 7 irons inside 10 yards left/right from the center line on Skytrak (solidly struck), and something similar with the driver. Why is 95% important? The inspiration behind this is Steph Curry - he shoots 45% from 3, but I would guess if he was wide open in-game with nobody trying to block it'd be somewhere around 60%. He shoots about 90% on wide open 3's in practice (he's made 77 in a row before), so I figure something above that would mean very elite ball-striking. This guy is also another inspiration, and disproves the idea that launch monitor success can't carry over to the golf course. I plan on upgrading from my 15 year old set of clubs to the Edel single length irons for 7-and-up, should be optimal for what I'm doing (even though I hit my long irons well), but I'm gonna make myself earn them first. I want to be firing at pins on tough, long courses so to me irons are priority. Then I'll work on perfecting the driver, wedges especially, and lastly short game and putting - and start playing a lot next year as well. I'm +3 and better or bust, and analytics has shown long game to be by far the most important. So if I can't hit the ball like I want to (probably by the end of the year), I consider this all a fail and not worth spending time with short game and putting.



    How do I hit it now? With my current swing I think I am around 60-70% on Skytrak in hitting it within 10 yards of center. My ball flight is near straight with not a lot of curve even on misses, but I still frequently lose my swing. The one round I was able to play post-skytrak and pre-injury I hit my irons very well, but everything else was bad.



    My plan would be to hit 100-150 deliberate full shots a day, checking video and making sure swing plane is right. I may get online coaching, but would be great to figure this out on my own. Pretty happy with my swing right now. I'll keep track of the last 25 or so each day to know where I'm at and to have something to post. Once I can get 80% consistently, I'll start working on drives. Also I'll end each day doing ladder drills with my wedges until I get bored or have other stuff to do. I have injury concerns - already threw out my back, and I have some issues with my hands/wrists/elbows, probably from hitting off mats and range rocks pre-skytrak. I have divotaction which keeps things from getting worse, but it's not getting better. Hopefully switching to graphite, softer balls, bionic gloves, and jumbomax grips will help. I'd like to mix in working out somehow - I'm decently long but if I can average 10 more yards that'd be great. If I can hit all my long game goals, I'll move the goal to 95/100 within 7 yards of center line, as well as going all in on putting and short game.





    My back is healed so I'm ready to get this started. I hope this is interesting for you guys to read. I'll post screenshots, weekly stats, etc. Interested in making bets on this too. And I predict a continuation from my last thread of unsolicited advice, and arguing over the importance of short game image/wink.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=';)' />




    lol, I'm a 2.5 @33. my goal is to get to +3 by 40.... G-luck, lol!


    bogeypro wrote:


    Get off the computer and get to the course. Your approach to this is fundamentally wrong. It reminds me of when rocky was fighting the Russian. Russian was computer trained where rocky was real world trained.



    The course doesn't have perfect lies. You need to play for something so you know how your nerves and thinking will react. At this point, you can hit shots..,you just need to get on the course and learn to hit what shot and when.




    this is great. as said 100000000000x here: it get under scratch u need to PLAY A LOT and get that 100yds and in mastered....
    Driver: Ping G400 Max 9 Tour AD MT 6
    3W: TM M2 Tour AD MT 7
    Utility: Srixon Z U65 3/19 Tour AD DI
    Irons: Ben Hogan PTx 4-9 Tour V
    Wedges: SM7 46F, 50F, 54F, and 60K KBS Tour
    Putter: Piretti CWII
    Ball: AVX/ProV1
  • stuntedstunted Advanced Members Posts: 96
    bogeypro wrote:


    Get off the computer and get to the course. Your approach to this is fundamentally wrong. It reminds me of when rocky was fighting the Russian. Russian was computer trained where rocky was real world trained.



    The course doesn't have perfect lies. You need to play for something so you know how your nerves and thinking will react. At this point, you can hit shots..,you just need to get on the course and learn to hit what shot and when.




    I'm a poker player, and all the feel players got run out of the game by the guys who did a ton of computer work. I get what you are saying, and I think there will be some adjustment to playing on the course, but I really don't think it will take long. The one time I played post skytrak it took me 10 holes to get used to playing real golf, and I could get good contact out of tough or sidehill lies, but distance/direction was off. Which I think is easily fixable. And there's another guy who had this to say:



    I haven't played a round of golf in a month and have pretty much focused exclusively on swinging on the SkyTrak. Had my first round yesterday and shot a 73 which felt like a round that should have been in the 60s. The I turned around and shot a career low 66 today after 3 putting the 1st hole!!!!



    Had a bad end-of-the-day-25-shot-test, lost my swing 10 shots in and made 11/25. I redeemed myself a little in the next 25, but I decided I'm only going to track the first test every day, otherwise I could just end on a good 25 shot streak.
  • ObeeObee ClubWRX Charter Members Posts: 3,610 ClubWRX
    edited August 2018
    Looking forward to seeing your tournament scores....
    Post edited by Unknown User on
    PING G400 Max - Tour 65 S
    Callaway Rogue 15* 3W
    Titleist H1 19* Diamana S+ Blue 70hy
    Titleist H1 23* Diamana S+ Blue 70hy
    Adams Idea Tech V4 5H 25* ProLaunch Blue 75 HY
    Adams Idea Tech V4 6H 28* ProLaunch Blue 75 HY
    Adams Idea Tech V4 7H 32* ProLaunch Blue 75 HY
    Titleist AP2 716 8i 37* KBS Tour S
    Titleist AP2 716 9i 42* KBS Tour S
    Don Wood Custom Grind 47* PW
    Don Wood Custom Grind 51* GW
    Titleist "Vokey Design" 56* K Grind
    Mizuno S18 60/7 LW
    Odyssey Works Versa Tank 1W (bent to 78.5*)
  • TTGolf77TTGolf77 Advanced Members Posts: 133 ✭✭
    I agree with you that it’s possible to get so good at a simulator that you could be a +3, but I would be more concerned with the fact that your hitting shots fat and have inconsistent contact than how offline a shot goes. There’s probably something fundamentally wrong with your swing that needs to be fixed before you start pounding thousands of balls.



  • ObeeObee ClubWRX Charter Members Posts: 3,610 ClubWRX
    My journey from 3 to +3 was a bit more ... conventional. I played a lot of golf, including a bunch of tournament golf.
    PING G400 Max - Tour 65 S
    Callaway Rogue 15* 3W
    Titleist H1 19* Diamana S+ Blue 70hy
    Titleist H1 23* Diamana S+ Blue 70hy
    Adams Idea Tech V4 5H 25* ProLaunch Blue 75 HY
    Adams Idea Tech V4 6H 28* ProLaunch Blue 75 HY
    Adams Idea Tech V4 7H 32* ProLaunch Blue 75 HY
    Titleist AP2 716 8i 37* KBS Tour S
    Titleist AP2 716 9i 42* KBS Tour S
    Don Wood Custom Grind 47* PW
    Don Wood Custom Grind 51* GW
    Titleist "Vokey Design" 56* K Grind
    Mizuno S18 60/7 LW
    Odyssey Works Versa Tank 1W (bent to 78.5*)
  • JaNelson38JaNelson38 Advanced Members Posts: 2,600
    edited August 2018
    Steve Stricker hit balls out of a trailer in the winter to get his swing back to where it needed to be to compete on the PGA Tour. He did all of this with no machines - he used a mirror and various baskets and targets at certain yardage.



    You're setting goals based on numbers on a Skytrac machine.



    Kinda says it all right there, really, and why you'll fail miserably on your quest unless you ditch the machine and actually play golf. Golf isnt played on a simulator. Its played outside. In the elements. On real courses with real grass.



    Practice less and play more is advice given by dozens of current and past touring professionals. But when you do practice, practice outside. There's nothing that replicates seeing ball flights, or nothing that replicates gaining a feel from short game shots or putting.
  • tatertottatertot Advanced Members Posts: 4,226 ✭✭
    You're figuring your golf goals on made up stats from Steph Curry's practice sessions ... in basketball?
    Driver: Adams Speedline Fast 11, 9°
    Fairway: Adams Fast 10, 15*
    Irons: Ping i200 3 iron, Ping iE1 4-PW
    Wedges: Titleist SM7, 48º; Titleist SM5, 54º & 58º
    Putter: Cleveland Classics Huntington Beach #1, 35"
  • golfarb1golfarb1 Advanced Members Posts: 180
    edited August 2018
    According to USGA handicap stats only ~%5.43% of golfers carry a handicap of 2.9 or better,so you are already among a small minority of golfers

    Using the same stats shows that those golfers with a handicap of +1 or better comprise less than %1 of all golfers.

    I could not find stats for +3 or better ,but I would guess that they would number less than 1/4 of 1 % of golfers.

    About 2 million golfers are registered in the USGA handicap system.

    For golfers with a handicap of +3 or better ,that means that there are about 5,000 golfers in the US with a handicap of +3 or better.

    All of the pros currently on the major tours would qualify for this designation as would those trying to qualify for these tours. .A small% of of non touring club pros would attain that designation as would the top 500-1000 amateurs. in the country.Most of these amateurs are college players.



    As one ages our brains become less plastic ,meaning that it is becomes progressively more difficult to forge new neural networks that represent a new physical movement.

    I am not trying to rain on your parade ,but,the stats and your age are not in your favor
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  • PowderedToastManPowderedToastMan Advanced Members Posts: 3,697 ✭✭
    edited August 2018
    What you negative nellies are missing is the very positive fact that he’s hitting a lot of balls, which is practice. You can argue about if there are more effective forms, but it’s still practice.



    I first got to scratch and plus by spending 6 months doing at least an hour a day of swings, with a mirror, without hitting a ball, and going to the range once a week or so (this was during a Canadian winter). The next summer, in my first PAT, I was third overall in a tournament that does have some pressure (I was 18 and my job depended on passing). I played no other tournaments because I quite literally didn’t have time to.



    My path was unorthodox, but I knew exactly what I had to do with my swing to play good golf and I stuck to that plan and trusted it and myself. I’m sure that plan would have been picked apart if I had posted it here had this place existed. That probably would have eroded my trust in the plan.



    I also like taking from basketball, because that was my sport growing up. I was the captain of my team all through school, yet playing 5-on-5 probably only consisted of about 5-10% of my practice time. It doesn’t take long at all to adjust to the flow of a basketball game, and I believe the same can be said for tournament golf (in reality there will be a learning curve, though much shorter if you can embrace pressure and nerves). Just need to embrace the challenge and be ready to go out there and kill it.
    Former professional golfer. Current amateur human being. Reformed club ho.

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    PING. Lots of PING.
  • buckeyeflbuckeyefl Advanced Members Posts: 5,236 ✭✭
    bogeypro wrote:


    Getting to + handicap isn’t about beating balls till your hands bleed. It’s about using your brain on the course, playing smart, minimizing strokes from bad shots, and learning how to score.



    Yes, you will probably need be on course 5 days a week to learn these skills. It’s s long way from 3 to +3.




    Hitting hundreds of balls on skytrack is the way to do it. Just ask.
  • buckeyeflbuckeyefl Advanced Members Posts: 5,236 ✭✭
    TTGolf77 wrote:


    I agree with you that it’s possible to get so good at a simulator that you could be a +3, but I would be more concerned with the fact that your hitting shots fat and have inconsistent contact than how offline a shot goes. There’s probably something fundamentally wrong with your swing that needs to be fixed before you start pounding thousands of balls.




    You would also be wrong if you believe that nonsense.
  • buckeyeflbuckeyefl Advanced Members Posts: 5,236 ✭✭
    edited August 2018


    What you negative nellies are missing is the very positive fact that he’s hitting a lot of balls, which is practice. You can argue about if there are more effective forms, but it’s still practice.



    I first got to scratch and plus by spending 6 months doing at least an hour a day of swings, with a mirror, without hitting a ball, and going to the range once a week or so (this was during a Canadian winter). The next summer, in my first PAT, I was third overall in a tournament that does have some pressure (I was 18 and my job depended on passing). I played no other tournaments because I quite literally didn’t have time to.



    My path was unorthodox, but I knew exactly what I had to do with my swing to play good golf and I stuck to that plan and trusted it and myself. I’m sure that plan would have been picked apart if I had posted it here had this place existed. That probably would have eroded my trust in the plan.



    I also like taking from basketball, because that was my sport growing up. I was the captain of my team all through school, yet playing 5-on-5 probably only consisted of about 5-10% of my practice time. It doesn’t take long at all to adjust to the flow of a basketball game, and I believe the same can be said for tournament golf (in reality there will be a learning curve, though much shorter if you can embrace pressure and nerves). Just need to embrace the challenge and be ready to go out there and kill it.




    Hitting a bunch of balls when your swing has flaws that injure your back is not the same path that you took.



    Hundreds of balls or swingsis only works if you have solid fundamentals. Otherwise you are just engraining a bad swing and making the journey that much longer if not impossible. His other thread he linked is quite informative. +3 is a long journey as you know.
  • dg_1983dg_1983 Advanced Members Posts: 1,283
    edited August 2018
    stunted wrote:

    dg_1983 wrote:
    (even though I hit my long irons well) What club is this? It is just short of my 6iron ball speed but has half the spin........also - turn on the 50shot tracer if you gonna post up, infact better still, dump the export of the shot history




    If I want to improve 6-8 strokes in a year, I'm not sure I want to listen to the guy who improved 2 strokes in 4 years.




    Sorry, what is this based on? My internet forum signature? Are you crazy? For what it's worth, my handicap is better than yours, like way better than yours at a UK scratch. All played in tournaments, with no best of formula or rounds ones can sign themselves. That means that my all round game is way better than yours, like way better, your probably closer to a UK 7. I've maintained that level of play raising a young family and holding down a proper job. To keep you happy and informed I'll update my signature for you and happy to post up my score history to prove I'm miles ahead of you.



    Also, I was asking a question about the iron used, that you avoided and making a request for data dump, that I see you followed.



    There is something wrong with your spin numbers, way too low, won't hold any greens that low and the flight isn't going to be good either. Look up the PGA tour trackman averages for ball park. If your going to tell me it's because skytrak is off or the because of the equipment your using you can forget the rest of the numbers, given spin is so vital in calculating flight.



    I'll bow out now, I wish you luck as I do all improving golfers. Your problem isn't going to be related to golf, more your attitude you have demonstrated here.
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    2014 Low 2.9
    2015 Low 2.6
    2016 Low 2.1
    2017 Target 1.4
    2018 Target 0.4
    2019 Target +15
    Current 0.2
  • stuntedstunted Advanced Members Posts: 96
    golfarb1 wrote:


    As one ages our brains become less plastic ,meaning that it is becomes progressively more difficult to forge new neural networks that represent a new physical movement.

    I am not trying to rain on your parade ,but,the stats and your age are not in your favor




    I have thought about that. Hopefully it's still possible to teach this old dog new tricks.






    What you negative nellies are missing is the very positive fact that he's hitting a lot of balls, which is practice. You can argue about if there are more effective forms, but it's still practice.



    I first got to scratch and plus by spending 6 months doing at least an hour a day of swings, with a mirror, without hitting a ball, and going to the range once a week or so (this was during a Canadian winter). The next summer, in my first PAT, I was third overall in a tournament that does have some pressure (I was 18 and my job depended on passing). I played no other tournaments because I quite literally didn't have time to.



    My path was unorthodox, but I knew exactly what I had to do with my swing to play good golf and I stuck to that plan and trusted it and myself. I'm sure that plan would have been picked apart if I had posted it here had this place existed. That probably would have eroded my trust in the plan.



    I also like taking from basketball, because that was my sport growing up. I was the captain of my team all through school, yet playing 5-on-5 probably only consisted of about 5-10% of my practice time. It doesn't take long at all to adjust to the flow of a basketball game, and I believe the same can be said for tournament golf (in reality there will be a learning curve, though much shorter if you can embrace pressure and nerves). Just need to embrace the challenge and be ready to go out there and kill it.




    Refreshing to see a positive post, gives me more confidence reading that image/smile.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':)' />. Impressive you got to scratch with basketball being your sport.



    As for hate I guess it's just with everything, people just rage when you think you can do something a little bit differently, especially when it involves newer technology. It's why I'm hesitant to post my swing. I hope as I age to keep embracing the new along with the old. New tech tends to win out as well - like in basketball analytics has completely changed the game.



    And practice absolutely carries over to real competition. You always hear of people saying Curry, Kobe, Durant, etc, shooting 500-1000+ shots per day. You don't hear about how many pickup games they play. Golf-wise it's really amazing how much skytrak work carried over. My first round post-skytrak it felt very weird (only my 2nd round of the year), but although my brain was confused, muscle memory took over pretty quickly. My body just knew what to do to create the shot needed, it blew my mind how automatic it was. Even for lies I didn't practice. For those that don't believe me, I recommend them try it! Hit lots of balls with near-perfect feedback for a week with singular focus, then enjoy the best ball-striking round of your life.






    buckeyefl wrote:


    Hitting a bunch of balls when your swing has flaws that injure your back is not the same path that you took.



    Hundreds of balls or swingsis only works if you have solid fundamentals. Otherwise you are just engraining a bad swing and making the journey that much longer if not impossible. His other thread he linked is quite informative. +3 is a long journey as you know.




    Very concerned about this, and I may have to take another week off. I don't have a pretty swing, but people with good swings get injured all the time so it isn't always easy to pinpoint what's wrong. Don't know what's throwing out my back, I'm hitting a lot of balls but it's not a crazy amount (far from 300/day). Could be my low finish or something in the transition. Wrists feels sore no matter what I do. I shot out an email to a guy who specializes in golf swing mechanics and injury prevention, so that may help.
  • RichieHuntRichieHunt Advanced Members Posts: 3,551 ✭✭
    To get to a +3, you need to shoot some low rounds. The USGA handicap system is such where they take the best 10 scores of your last 20 rounds posted. So, theoretically you could shoot 100 in ten round and still be a +3. So there's a bias towards making birdies instead of grinding rounds out. Statistically, the biggest areas that lead to more birdies are an increase in driving distance, improved play on mid-length iron shots and improved putting from 5-15 feet.









    RH
  • Hawkeye77Hawkeye77 Countdown to The Masters! ClubWRX Charter Members Posts: 16,734 ClubWRX
    Looked back in and surprised to see the thread is still "alive" - really no reason to believe much of it at all. Throwing back out, wrists now hurt, lol, and emailing some random golf mechanics expert. Just trolling the Skytrak thing and enjoying it - PGA is over so it is golf's silly season, except for the Ryder Cup.



    Post up some real stuff - swing vids, handicap index data, competition results - if the wrists can handle it. ;-)



    I do wish it was April 1 - then we could be starting golf season again.
  • stuntedstunted Advanced Members Posts: 96
    Injuries are hilarious!
  • buckeyeflbuckeyefl Advanced Members Posts: 5,236 ✭✭
    stunted wrote:

    dg_1983 wrote:
    (even though I hit my long irons well) What club is this? It is just short of my 6iron ball speed but has half the spin........also - turn on the 50shot tracer if you gonna post up, infact better still, dump the export of the shot history




    If I want to improve 6-8 strokes in a year, I'm not sure I want to listen to the guy who improved 2 strokes in 4 years.




    Well, it was clear before you posted this thread that you had no intentions to listen to anyone unless they boarded your Delusion Train since you were already offered advice from people who have done what you think you can do by playing with sky track.
  • Lefty Light HItterLefty Light HItter Advanced Members Posts: 1,403
    Did I miss it? Chris what's his face from nowhere Indiana who hit balls out of his barn while professing love of shaft twist, sole slam and a whole bunch of other odd s*** got some technology in his life?
    In search of solid contact...
  • stuntedstunted Advanced Members Posts: 96
    Ways to give good advice according to buckeye:



    - Offer advice to someone not asking for it.

    - If he's tried and failed with your advice, ignore and offer the same advice.

    - No encouragement, tell him everything he's doing is wrong.

    - Wonder why he's not listening.
  • iHititStraightSometimesiHititStraightSometimes Members Posts: 27 ✭✭
    Why do you refuse to post your swing?
  • Lefty Light HItterLefty Light HItter Advanced Members Posts: 1,403
    Chris P, I just can't remember the last name.....
    In search of solid contact...
  • stuntedstunted Advanced Members Posts: 96


    Why do you refuse to post your swing?




    Too many negative people. I hit the ball well, my swing's not pretty but I may have solved my injury issue today. I don't see it going well.
  • ebrasmus21ebrasmus21 Serial Shanker Advanced Members Posts: 5,023 ✭✭
    stunted wrote:



    Why do you refuse to post your swing?




    Too many negative people. I hit the ball well, my swing's not pretty but I may have solved my injury issue today. I don't see it going well.




    People post swing videos all the time and overwhelmingly the responses are positive and instructive.
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  • stuntedstunted Advanced Members Posts: 96
    So my back either comes down to using my arms too much and pulling the handle, or following through too low twisting my back. Making sure to not do either one of those seems to consistently not hurt my upper left back, even when it's already sore. When I make my normal swing it pretty much always feels sketchy.
  • stuntedstunted Advanced Members Posts: 96
    ebrasmus21 wrote:


    People post swing videos all the time and overwhelmingly the responses are positive and instructive.




    I'll consider it. Mostly worried that even with positive and instructive replies I'll start overthinking.
  • ebrasmus21ebrasmus21 Serial Shanker Advanced Members Posts: 5,023 ✭✭
    stunted wrote:

    ebrasmus21 wrote:


    People post swing videos all the time and overwhelmingly the responses are positive and instructive.




    I'll consider it. Mostly worried that even with positive and instructive replies I'll start overthinking.




    That's a fair concern (at least for me it is as well). If you have access to a good teaching pro then go that route. If not, take some online lessons from iTeach or Monte.
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  • jerebear21jerebear21 Don't Go Left ClubWRX Charter Members Posts: 3,243 ClubWRX
    two of my friends are +1 and +3. They play 5-6x a week. They don't even know what golfwrx is.
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  • farmerfarmer Advanced Members Posts: 7,714 ✭✭
    "I hit the ball better than a 3, but have the short game of a 20." Ah, the Yeti of golf forums. Can I have the Skytrak when this plan doesn't meet up with your goal?
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    Chris P, I just can't remember the last name.....




    Peterich, sadly I can't forget it!
  • buckeyeflbuckeyefl Advanced Members Posts: 5,236 ✭✭
    edited August 2018
    stunted wrote:


    Ways to give good advice according to buckeye:



    - Offer advice to someone not asking for it.

    - If he's tried and failed with your advice, ignore and offer the same advice.

    - No encouragement, tell him everything he's doing is wrong.

    - Wonder why he's not listening.




    Classic. I could not possibly care less if you listen it not but you had quite a few people who have done what you are trying to do and your mental and verbal response is



    Nope

    Nope

    Nope



    You are destroying your body through arrogance and yet somehow pretend you are a victim. People are trying to lessen your suffering by sharing experience but somehow, having never been there, you know better.



    Aiming high is one thing but wanting to be an astronaut when you failed math, have a fear of flying and are claustrophobic is not aiming high it a fools errand.



    No one said you had to follow an exact path but there are things you need to do that you have said you don't need to do which is just arrogance and ignorance at it's finest.



    I invite everyone to read your other thread you linked in the first post as it explains it better than I ever could.



    Again, put away your ego and try to realize people are trying to help and stop pretending they are raining on your parade.
  • stuntedstunted Advanced Members Posts: 96
    I don't know what point you're getting at, I'm trying my best to follow the injury prevention advice.
  • stuntedstunted Advanced Members Posts: 96
    edited August 2018
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    My swing is clicking now. Can't hit 100% strength but at least my new changes are not aggravating my back.. Got in my head a little bit after 10 in a row. I think hitting a lot of balls, things will be so automatic that my mind will get used to hitting a ton in a row, it will be like brushing teeth. Good progress but need to get a lot better, the difference between 80% in practice and 95% in practice is huge. Dwight Howard makes 80% of his free throws in practice, good shooters 99% probably, but in games it drops to 55% and 85%.
  • RattlesnakeRonRattlesnakeRon Student of the Game Advanced Members Posts: 854
    You should do and post some SkyTrak combo tests which measure your "Dynamic Index" with each club. Due to the lack of standard deviation numbers from the data table above, it's very hard to determine how consistently you're hitting it other than eyeballing numbers.



    For example, your Offline average is 0, but that tells us nothing (other than you miss left just as much as right). I see it gives your Dispersion above, which is 32.1 yds L-R and 36.2 yds front-back... that hints that your standard deviation is higher than it should be with a 7i, but again, no way to know without calculating it or letting SkyTrak do it in the combo test.
  • ObeeObee ClubWRX Charter Members Posts: 3,610 ClubWRX
    This thread is worthless without swing video!!! :-)
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  • Krt22Krt22 Advanced Members Posts: 6,035 ✭✭
    Obee wrote:


    This thread is worthless without swing video!!! :-)


    It seems worthless in general, no actual swing talk, not real practice plan, no clue what the OP actually scores.



    It's like Jones Scott had throttled back his goals from making it on tour
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