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  • gregh729gregh729 #TheWRX 2016 Members  3176WRX Points: 785Posts: 3,176 Titanium Tees
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    On -, @2moreTerps said:

    can you list the really good putters you know who change their putter every month? i'm not being sarcastic. it's an actual question

    last week i was talking to a guy who i consider to be a very good putter. he's a better putter than i am. this guy changes clubs a lot and likes new stuff. he has used the same putter for more than 10 years.

    Stop making sense!
    It's got to be the putter, It's got to be the putter, It's got to be the putter, It's got to be the putter, It's got to be the putter........

    I've used the same putter for almost a month (I haven't played in 3 weeks)

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    On -, @FAbb said:

    I'm not advocating that changing a lot is good lol. There's really no question I'd be better off sticking to a single putter indefinitely. Will I? Very unlikely.

    why? you really care about golf. why would you knowingly do something that is detrimental to your game

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    I assume you have been using the same putter for a while. Serious question - Do you ever feel the need to look at something else. Every once in a while a putter will just not look right, and I want a different look or feel. It might only be a few rounds or it might be a couple of months, and I'll go back to my old one.
    I love trying different styles/weights/grips etc. I mostly use the same 3 or 4 putters from the past 6-7 years. I'll throw a new one in the bag, but it usually doesn't last long

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    On -, @2moreTerps said:

    can you list the really good putters you know who change their putter every month? i'm not being sarcastic. it's an actual question

    last week i was talking to a guy who i consider to be a very good putter. he's a better putter than i am. this guy changes clubs a lot and likes new stuff. he has used the same putter for more than>

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    I'm not advocating that changing a lot is good lol. There's really no question I'd be better off sticking to a single putter indefinitely. Will I? Very unlikely.

    why? you really care about golf. why would you knowingly do something that is detrimental to your game

    I feel the same about not being fitted

    I bought an expensive putter to match my specs because I don’t change. Only club we use every hole.

    But I do have another one coming.. it was a gift. I’ll mess around with it—- caveat is — it matches my specs.

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    no. i really don't feel a need or desire to look at something else. the scottie that JT uses is beautiful. when i go to second swing i hit some putts with it. but i've never given any consideration to purchasing one.

    i used a two ball putter for years. then when my back was giving me trouble i switched to a counter balanced putter and held it at the end. that's far from ideal. i used two putters in that stage. when i decided to go back to a regular length putter a couple years ago i got another two ball putter. that's the 2moreTerps putter change history from something like 2006 until now

    i'm also naturally change averse.

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    On -, @2moreTerps said:

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    I'm not advocating that changing a lot is good lol. There's really no question I'd be better off sticking to a single putter indefinitely. Will I? Very unlikely.

    why? you really care about golf. why would you knowingly do something that is detrimental to your game

    Why do people that really care about their lives do things that are inherently risky? I'd say it's because they derive some joy from those things.

    I'm not a golf robot, programmed to do nothing but optimize. I like messing around with stuff.

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    On -, @FAbb said:

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    I'm not advocating that changing a lot is good lol. There's really no question I'd be better off sticking to a single putter indefinitely. Will I? Very unlikely.

    why? you really care about golf. why would you knowingly do something that is detrimental to your game

    Why do people that really care about their lives do things that are inherently risky? I'd say it's because they derive some joy from those things.

    I'm not a golf robot, programmed to do nothing but optimize. I like messing around with stuff.

    The same could be said about how people choose to play golf (their way)

    Yet questions, statements, etc get passed onto them — warranted or not.

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    It's just funny with fabb because he reads as a golf robot. Seems to care about finding every single edge to improve and yet does this one -- probably suboptimal -- thing all the time.

    AND, gripes about his putting.

    And, that's always his thing with other people. . .if you're going to gripe about something, you need to be open to changing it.

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    That's fair.

    I'm open to changing it. I'm sorta working on changing it. The Spider X isn't coming out of the bag, unless I find something that's definitively better. I'm spending 95% of my time on the course, and in practice with my current putter. I can't imagine that 5% I'm messing with something else, or changing the grip makes any difference in my putting results on the whole. I don't feel like cutting out that 5% will change anything. Maybe I'm wrong.

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    On -, @2moreTerps said:

    no. i really don't feel a need or desire to look at something else. the scottie that JT uses is beautiful. when i go to second swing i hit some putts with it. but i've never given any consideration to purchasing one.

    i used a two ball putter for years. then when my back was giving me trouble i switched to a counter balanced putter and held it at the end. that's far from ideal. i used two putters in that stage. when i decided to go back to a regular length putter a couple years ago i got another two ball putter. that's the 2moreTerps putter change history from something like 2006 until now

    i'm also naturally change averse.

    That is impressive. Unfortunately, my attention span isn't that long. I have had long periods with the same putter, and several periods of putter schizophrenia and get a little carried away with changing. Then I will have another putter purge and get back down to 3-4. I like the looks of a blade, so I keep going back to that style. That said, I also have a mallet that I will switch out when warrented.
    But, like Tex, all the same specs (length and lie angle). Different grips for different feel

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    Well said City

    Heading to Aslin in Alexandria for any Dc, va workers they want to take a long lunch

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    On -, @gregh729 said:

    I assume you have been using the same putter for a while. Serious question - Do you ever feel the need to look at something else. Every once in a while a putter will just not look right, and I want a different look or feel. It might only be a few rounds or it might be a couple of months, and I'll go back to my old one.
    I love trying different styles/weights/grips etc. I mostly use the same 3 or 4 putters from the past 6-7 years. I'll throw a new one in the bag, but it usually doesn't last long

    Yes, but far between. My Piretti has been the basis putter for ~8 years, and I've only tried maybe 2 other putters. What I don't change is the headweight, grip/size, length, or counterweight that I use in that setup. Every trial putter needs to meet those exact specs before getting a run.

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    On -, @TheCityGame said:

    It's just funny with fabb because he reads as a golf robot. Seems to care about finding every single edge to improve and yet does this one -- probably suboptimal -- thing all the time.

    AND, gripes about his putting.

    And, that's always his thing with other people. . .if you're going to gripe about something, you need to be open to changing it.

    Some of the same people I've seen gripe about me Fabb changing putters so often are the same people I've seen change their brand/model of golf ball in the middle of a round.

    There's also the unspoken assumption that not changing putters makes you a better putter. I strongly disagree with that. Despite his online fake-griping, Fabb is a top tier putter, no doubt in my mind about that. Him changing putters has absolutely no affect on his ability to putt.

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    On -, @dcmidnight said:

    On -, @TheCityGame said:

    It's just funny with fabb because he reads as a golf robot. Seems to care about finding every single edge to improve and yet does this one -- probably suboptimal -- thing all the time.

    AND, gripes about his putting.

    And, that's always his thing with other people. . .if you're going to gripe about something, you need to be open to changing it.

    Some of the same people I've seen gripe about me Fabb changing putters so often are the same people I've seen change their brand/model of golf ball in the middle of a round.

    There's also the unspoken assumption that not changing putters makes you a better putter. I strongly disagree with that. Despite his online fake-griping, Fabb is a top tier putter, no doubt in my mind about that. Him changing putters has absolutely no affect on his ability to putt.

    One of the only weakness in his game, no?

    Go get fitted by club champion Fabb and see what the numbers say

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    Statistically you would need a ton of trials to "prove" one side or the other. But I bet if Fabb played a whole year with the same putter and played another year switching every month - his putting stats would look relatively the same.

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    On -, @dcmidnight said:

    Statistically you would need a ton of trials to "prove" one side or the other. But I bet if Fabb played a whole year with the same putter and played another year switching every month - his putting stats would look relatively the same.

    I look at it as one of those that it might not hurt and maybe help.

    But i believe he was on Sam machine before his pro buddy sold his ..

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    On -, @TheCityGame said:

    It's just funny with fabb because he reads as a golf robot. Seems to care about finding every single edge to improve and yet does this one -- probably suboptimal -- thing all the time.

    AND, gripes about his putting.

    And, that's always his thing with other people. . .if you're going to gripe about something, you need to be open to changing it.

    Also, and you know this, it's not remotely accurate to insinuate that I'm griping about my putting but am unwilling to do anything about it.

    I've worked A TON on my putting this year. I'll potentially clip 40 rounds this handicap season, and I've been practicing putting outside one day a week pretty consistently. Those are both marked increases from the past several years. I putt inside easily 4x/week. I've done work with a putting coach to solidify my stroke. I've done a lot to improve the way I practice. I've talked with good putters I know about their approach - how they assess line/speed, routine, things they practice, etc.

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    On -, @misplacedtexan83 said:

    On -, @dcmidnight said:

    On -, @TheCityGame said:

    It's just funny with fabb because he reads as a golf robot. Seems to care about finding every single edge to improve and yet does this one -- probably suboptimal -- thing all the time.

    AND, gripes about his putting.

    And, that's always his thing with other people. . .if you're going to gripe about something, you need to be open to changing it.

    Some of the same people I've seen gripe about me Fabb changing putters so often are the same people I've seen change their brand/model of golf ball in the middle of a round.

    There's also the unspoken assumption that not changing putters makes you a better putter. I strongly disagree with that. Despite his online fake-griping, Fabb is a top tier putter, no doubt in my mind about that. Him changing putters has absolutely no affect on his ability to putt.

    One of the only weakness in his game, no?

    Go get fitted by club champion Fabb and see what the numbers say

    I got fitted there and changed my putter specs. It didn’t work out so I went back to the specs that I got from Bettinardi when they fitted me and made my putter. Started putting much better again.

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    I changed my actual putting grip mid-round on Saturday. Something I had been toying with during indoor sessions but hadn't been able to practice outside before that morning.

    Obviously FAbb is a much better player than I so the opportunities to improve are much more minute. In that same round, I also had 2 plain tops off the tee into junk just ahead of the red tees and 2 other foul balls into hazards/OB en route to a smooth 89 at WM.

    On a separate note, infuriated reading over Sully's adventure on #16 at WM. I pumped a ball into a tree on the left and it fell straight down into junk. I re-teed and piped my 3rd shot right on line with the cart path on the left side of the fairway. Get up there, no ball. Sweet ESC 7 (there was a good chance it was going to be an ESC 7 anyways, but still).

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    On -, @gsrjc said:

    On -, @misplacedtexan83 said:

    On -, @dcmidnight said:

    On -, @TheCityGame said:

    It's just funny with fabb because he reads as a golf robot. Seems to care about finding every single edge to improve and yet does this one -- probably suboptimal -- thing all the time.

    AND, gripes about his putting.

    And, that's always his thing with other people. . .if you're going to gripe about something, you need to be open to changing it.

    Some of the same people I've seen gripe about me Fabb changing putters so often are the same people I've seen change their brand/model of golf ball in the middle of a round.

    There's also the unspoken assumption that not changing putters makes you a better putter. I strongly disagree with that. Despite his online fake-griping, Fabb is a top tier putter, no doubt in my mind about that. Him changing putters has absolutely no affect on his ability to putt.

    One of the only weakness in his game, no?

    Go get fitted by club champion Fabb and see what the numbers say

    I got fitted there and changed my putter specs. It didn’t work out so I went back to the specs that I got from Bettinardi when they fitted me and made my putter. Started putting much better again.

    It’s not a be all or end all. However ... it shows you what you are doing instead of guessing.

    Fittings are only as good as your fitter. Not knocking Nick— but all Bettinardi does is putters (besides some wedges and golf swag)

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    On -, @misplacedtexan83 said:

    On -, @gsrjc said:

    On -, @misplacedtexan83 said:

    On -, @dcmidnight said:

    On -, @TheCityGame said:

    It's just funny with fabb because he reads as a golf robot. Seems to care about finding every single edge to improve and yet does this one -- probably suboptimal -- thing all the time.

    AND, gripes about his putting.

    And, that's always his thing with other people. . .if you're going to gripe about something, you need to be open to changing it.

    Some of the same people I've seen gripe about me Fabb changing putters so often are the same people I've seen change their brand/model of golf ball in the middle of a round.

    There's also the unspoken assumption that not changing putters makes you a better putter. I strongly disagree with that. Despite his online fake-griping, Fabb is a top tier putter, no doubt in my mind about that. Him changing putters has absolutely no affect on his ability to putt.

    One of the only weakness in his game, no?

    Go get fitted by club champion Fabb and see what the numbers say

    I got fitted there and changed my putter specs. It didn’t work out so I went back to the specs that I got from Bettinardi when they fitted me and made my putter. Started putting much better again.

    It’s not a be all or end all. However ... it shows you what you are doing instead of guessing.

    Fittings are only as good as your fitter. Not knocking Nick— but all Bettinardi does is putters (besides some wedges and golf swag)

    Agreed. We’ve even discussed perhaps SAM putting may not be the best vehicle and perhaps there are others. I can’t remember the name but there’s one putting system that is like $30k and uses a bunch of lights to watch the ball and see how it rolls. Apparently the Golf Doctor in DC has it.

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    On -, @gsrjc said:

    On -, @misplacedtexan83 said:

    On -, @gsrjc said:

    On -, @misplacedtexan83 said:

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    It's just funny with fabb because he reads as a golf robot. Seems to care about finding every single edge to improve and yet does this one -- probably suboptimal -- thing all the time.

    AND, gripes about his putting.

    And, that's always his thing with other people. . .if you're going to gripe about something, you need to be open to changing it.

    Some of the same people I've seen gripe about me Fabb changing putters so often are the same people I've seen change their brand/model of golf ball in the middle of a round.

    There's also the unspoken assumption that not changing putters makes you a better putter. I strongly disagree with that. Despite his online fake-griping, Fabb is a top tier putter, no doubt in my mind about that. Him changing putters has absolutely no affect on his ability to putt.

    One of the only weakness in his game, no?

    Go get fitted by club champion Fabb and see what the numbers say

    I got fitted there and changed my putter specs. It didn’t work out so I went back to the specs that I got from Bettinardi when they fitted me and made my putter. Started putting much better again.

    It’s not a be all or end all. However ... it shows you what you are doing instead of guessing.

    Fittings are only as good as your fitter. Not knocking Nick— but all Bettinardi does is putters (besides some wedges and golf swag)

    Agreed. We’ve even discussed perhaps SAM putting may not be the best vehicle and perhaps there are others. I can’t remember the name but there’s one putting system that is like $30k and uses a bunch of lights to watch the ball and see how it rolls. Apparently the Golf Doctor in DC has it.

    Sam is one of the best but the sensor has to be installed the same time every time.

    Also 7 putts is not enough to truly gauge.

    However.. for me I just reconfirmed what i already knew. Fitting recommended the same spec i had years ago.

    Knowledge is power and if you don’t know what you do consistently or not.. it’s hard for you to know what’s best or in the ball park for you

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    On -, @SullGolf said:

    Don’t be angry willboyrd. You just have to learn where to miss on that hole. It will come when you have as much experience as me.

    Thank you for not outing my identity.

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    Same putter since 2012 for me. Even bought a backup in silver. Take it from me, who averages 33.3 putts per round... HAHA. One thing I’ve never thought about changing is my putter. Got fitted and it’s worked for me. Just need to learn how to putt now! And stop missing it low like City was yelling at me about.

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    Have folks changed their grip instead of their putters to see what has happened? I went left hand low and it made my putting stroke much better and more consistent.

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    Oil Baron and Augusta member T. Boone Pickens died today. I first heard of him on WRX. When I first joined the site there was this thread that was a fantastic follow, in which a guy who attended some conference where T. Boone Pickens spoke every year devised a plan in which he was going to corner T. Boone in an elevator and beg him to invite him to Augusta. I think the thread was closed, but half the people were telling him not to do it and the other half were telling him "Hey, you'll never take the prettiest girl to the dance if you don't ask her!" I think it never came to fruition, but if it did I hope someone videotaped it.
    Also it made me hope that Slim Pickens (Dr. Strangelove, Blazing Saddles) and T. Boone were the same person, but alas, no.

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    Suck it, Ceejay.
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  • willboyrdwillboyrd Members  1175WRX Points: 262Posts: 1,175 Platinum Tees
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    On -, @gsrjc said:

    Have folks changed their grip instead of their putters to see what has happened? I went left hand low and it made my putting stroke much better and more consistent.

    Yeah, I have been experimenting with a claw/pencil hybrid grip that past few weeks. Certainly hasn't had any effect on my total putt numbers but that stat is almost useless anyways.

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    G410 12* Tensei Pro Orange 60S
    Epic Flash SZ 15* (weight in back) Tensei AV Blue 70S
    Epic Flash SZ 18* (weight in back) Tensei AV Blue 70S
    Rogue 21* 4h Aldila Kuro Kage 80S
    Rogue Pro 5-P Nippon Modus 120 Stiff
    CBX2 50, 56(bent to 55) DG TI S400
    CBX Full Face 60 DG TI S400
    Fastback 2 33'' Blackout Pingman grip

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