Epon vs. Miura vs. other Japanese irons?

NorbooNorboo Members Posts: 2,212 ✭✭
edited Aug 20, 2018 in Japanese and Non-US #1
Epon vs. Miura vs. other Japanese irons?



I’m sure it’s all subjective, but what irons do you like better and why?
Driver: Ping G400 Max 10.5 Stock Alta (need shaft fitting)
Fairway Wood: Tour Edge EX10 Beta 4 wood GD Tour AD F
Hybrid: Ping G400 3 & 5
Irons: OnOff Kuro 2015 6 - PW
Wedge: Cleveland CBX 50, 58
Putter: Honma CB8055 since 1989
Ball: TaylorMade TP5

Backup/Benched
Driver: Ping G20
Fairway Wood: TEE EX10 Beta 5 wood, Ping Rapture V2 4 wood
Hybrid: Ping G400 4 hybrid
Putter: S.C. Golo 5

Club hoe, builder, fitter and tester as hobbyist since 1993

Comments

  • db2db2 Members Posts: 228
    edited Aug 20, 2018 #2
    For me, the biggest differences come down to feel. JDM irons are for the most part softer than USDM irons because they use softer steel. Epon is the softest. Kyoei is next. I'd you want softness more than anything else, target those two. Quite a few companies use Kyoei blanks then apply their own grinds; for example, Vega and Crazy. Miura is soft, but its primary/initial sensation is dense/solid. Modart, which I've never used before, produces billet clubs. Modart heads aren't forged--they are sculpted by a CNC machine from a steel billet. I would expect Modart heads to have a unique and distinct feel.
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  • chiromikeychiromikey Members Posts: 1,034
    I agree with db2. Even though Kyoei is my favorite, the traditional Epon/Endo forgings were the softest. Their newer stuff seems to have lost direction. Miura makes some of the prettiest heads right now but I haven’t put a set into play so I can’t comment much other than enjoying a few shots on the range.
  • andrieddleandrieddle Posts: 1,798 ✭✭
    Epon newer models are not my cup of tea but their X02 and X03 models are awesome
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    Cobra Bio Cell 4W (16)
    TaylorMade R15 4H (21)
    FourteeN TC 606 (5-P/A)

    Bridgestone J15 (50)
    Callaway MD2 (56/60)
    Odyssey EXO 7S
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  • theshadow1971theshadow1971 Shadow Posts: 439
    db2 wrote:


    For me, the biggest differences come down to feel. JDM irons are for the most part softer than USDM irons because they use softer steel. Epon is the softest. Kyoei is next. I'd you want softness more than anything else, target those two. Quite a few companies use Kyoei blanks then apply their own grinds; for example, Vega and Crazy. Miura is soft, but its primary/initial sensation is dense/solid. Modart, which I've never used before, produces billet clubs. Modart heads aren't forged--they are sculpted by a CNC machine from a steel billet. I would expect Modart heads to have a unique and distinct feel.




    Yeah Seven Golf CNC mill their irons too though they do emphasize from a forged block of steel. I also like the Tour Pride M1 & M2 irons .
    Srixon (asian specs)

    Z545 10.5* Driver
    Z F45 15* 3W
    Z H45 19* 3 Hybrid
    Z745 3-PW

    Z745 [email protected]* & [email protected]*

    Cleveland Classic HB 2 Black Pearl Putter
    Bridgestone B330RXS
  • Bravo36Bravo36 ClubWRX Posts: 855 ClubWRX
    I have a set of the Epon 302's. I play them irregularly against a set of Onoff 2015 Kuro's. Both very good iron sets, but I personally like and play the Onoffs much more than the Epons.
  • Bogey LondonBogey London Mr. Members Posts: 296 ✭✭
    Miura is quite hard to fully master for a mid handicaper.
    "There are three ways of going to ****: women, gambling, and trusting experts. Women are the most fun, gambling is the most exciting, but trusting experts is the most certain."
    (President De Gaulle)
    Driver - PRGR Super Egg Long-Spec 9.5* 
    Fairway wood - Honma TW737 13*
    Rescue - Honma TW 737 15* 
    Irons and Wedges - Itobori copper finish 4-P, 52, 56, 60; Yururi 52, 56, 60
    Putter - Itobori
  • MBBGMBBG Members Posts: 1,447 ✭✭
    Bravo36 wrote:


    I have a set of the Epon 302's. I play them irregularly against a set of Onoff 2015 Kuro's. Both very good iron sets, but I personally like and play the Onoffs much more than the Epons.




    Onoffs are great sticks
    2016 TM TI M2 with Rogue 125 60 TS
    Ping G400 3W with stock Alta S
    RomaRo Type R 18* with Nunchuk .370
    Srixon U45 23* with Aerotech i95 S
    2013 ONOFF Forged with Modus 125 S
    Vokey Cold Forged 51/56*, PM Grind 60* Modus 125 Wedge
    Odyssey Works SaberTooth
    Tartan Ogio Recoil stand bag
  • TzoidTzoid Members Posts: 1,644 ✭✭
    edited Aug 23, 2018 #9
    MBBG wrote:

    Bravo36 wrote:


    I have a set of the Epon 302's. I play them irregularly against a set of Onoff 2015 Kuro's. Both very good iron sets, but I personally like and play the Onoffs much more than the Epons.




    Onoffs are great sticks




    I sold my back-up set and used the cash to buy a new set of Srixon Z765 irons. The OnOff 2015 Kuros are softer and more forgiving but both fantastic clubs. I really hope OnOff comes out

    with a 2019 similar to the 2015 version because the 2017 Kuros did nothing for me.
    Texan stranded in "The Peoples Republic of Maryland"
    Ping G400 Max Driver Aldila Rogue Silver 110 M.S.I. 60
    Ping G400 3 Wood Aldila Rogue Silver 110 M.S.I. 70
    Ping G25 20 & Anser 23 Hybrid
    ONOFF KURO 2015 4-PW N.S Pro Modus3 Tour 120S
    Scratch 50 54 58 Forged Wedges Nippon WV 115 Shafts
    Scotty Cameron Newport 2 Studio Stainless
    Ping Vault 2.0 Dale Anser Custom
    Titleist Pro V-1X
  • Bravo36Bravo36 ClubWRX Posts: 855 ClubWRX
    the 2017 Kuros did nothing for me




    I agree with this 100%.
  • ian-500ian-500 Members Posts: 649 ✭✭
    OnOff all the way. Super soft and forgiving. Look great too. Just awesome irons. The best I've gamed.
    Cobra F9 9* + Tour AD IZ 7x.
    Callaway Rogue SZ 15 Tour Issue + Tour AD IZ 7x.
    Callaway Rogue 19 Tour Issue + Tour AD IZ 8s.
    Adams Pro 23 Tour Issue + Tour AD UT95x
    Adams DHY Pro 27 + Irod 105x.
    Adams XTD Forged Tour Issue 6i - GW + Recoil Prototype 125F5.
    Adams XTD Forged SW/LW + KBS Hi-Rev x.
    SeeMore SB1, Accra FX300, Garsen.
  • ArpeggiArpeggi Members Posts: 3,686
    Epon
    [font=arial,helvetica,sans-serif]Current bag:
    Titleist TS3 Oban Kiyoshi Purple 65 [/font]
    [font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif]Titleist TS2 GD Tour AD-MT 7[/font]

    [font=arial,helvetica,sans-serif]Titleist 818H1 19, 818H1 23 GD Tour AD-DI 85[/font]
    [font=arial,helvetica,sans-serif]Epon AF-705 5-AW MRC OT-I 95
    Vokey Wedgeworks SM7 Raw 54M, 58D[/font]

    [font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif]Scotty Cameron 009[/font]
    [font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif]Taylormade TP5x[/font]
  • boycer11boycer11 ClubWRX Posts: 3,444 ClubWRX
    Love my 705/503 combo. The 505 are tempting
    Ping G400 max tensei orange pro
    Callaway epic flash sz 3 wood
    Ping g400 5 wd rogue black 7s
    ping g410 tensei hybrid
    Epon 705 5-aw limited black kbs flt matte black/Callaway Apex 2019 combo
    miura limited black tour 2018 54/58
    taylormade jdm itsy bitsy spider
    ping hoofer
    tp5x
  • ArpeggiArpeggi Members Posts: 3,686
    boycer11 wrote:


    Love my 705/503 combo. The 505 are tempting




    What’s your setup?
    [font=arial,helvetica,sans-serif]Current bag:
    Titleist TS3 Oban Kiyoshi Purple 65 [/font]
    [font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif]Titleist TS2 GD Tour AD-MT 7[/font]

    [font=arial,helvetica,sans-serif]Titleist 818H1 19, 818H1 23 GD Tour AD-DI 85[/font]
    [font=arial,helvetica,sans-serif]Epon AF-705 5-AW MRC OT-I 95
    Vokey Wedgeworks SM7 Raw 54M, 58D[/font]

    [font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif]Scotty Cameron 009[/font]
    [font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif]Taylormade TP5x[/font]
  • boycer11boycer11 ClubWRX Posts: 3,444 ClubWRX
    705 5-7, 503 8-pw dg pro stiff
    Ping G400 max tensei orange pro
    Callaway epic flash sz 3 wood
    Ping g400 5 wd rogue black 7s
    ping g410 tensei hybrid
    Epon 705 5-aw limited black kbs flt matte black/Callaway Apex 2019 combo
    miura limited black tour 2018 54/58
    taylormade jdm itsy bitsy spider
    ping hoofer
    tp5x
  • wattagewattage Members Posts: 198 ✭✭
    Loved the feel (soft and smooth) & performance of Epon AF Tour CB but not the looks; too offset, too long heel/toe, sole a bit wide. Sold them

    Love Miura Baby Blades, minimal offset, small head, classic. Feel is more dense, feels quick.



    I wish Epon made a more modern player's shape. Titleist or Mizuno looks w Epon feel would be all mine!
  • MKPAPAMKPAPA Long Beach, CaliforniaClubWRX Posts: 390 ClubWRX
    How are yururi clubs? Any one with info on this brand?
  • chiromikeychiromikey Members Posts: 1,034
    MKPAPA wrote:


    How are yururi clubs? Any one with info on this brand?




    Absolutely fantastic. Easily compete with anything discussed here.
  • wmblake2000wmblake2000 Members Posts: 5,597 ✭✭
    I've gone thru a decent amount of JDM - all the usual suspects plus a bunch of other not-so-well-known. I am playing a set of RomaRo Pro mbs. These are my favorite heads ever. Everything about them just works for me. Look at address, feel at impact, ball flight, bag appeal. I had never really heard of them, but a friend had a set and wasn't playing them. I don't know who forged them...Kyoei maybe. I think they are 4-5 years old design.



    I haven't played any Epon blades, but I did play Miura baby blades. I prefer the RR. They are about the same sized head, think top lines, soles. The RR has a little more leading edge bevel which I like. But the head shape at address and especially feel are very different. RR are softer - still feel like a thump when you hit it, but whatever it is that makes my eyes roll up in my head when I hit one pure, these clubs are the best at it. That's just 100% subjective.
    Ping GMax 400 10.5
    Callawy Epic 5W
    Callaway Epic Hybrid 2h
    TM P790 4-AW
    Fourteen mt28v3 54, 58
    Cameron Futura 5W

    If you see any more new irons in my bag before 2020, call the paramedics because my wife will have seriously injured me
  • Bogey LondonBogey London Mr. Members Posts: 296 ✭✭
    MKPAPA wrote:


    How are yururi clubs? Any one with info on this brand?




    I am playing Yururi PDG MB. You do not gain distance with this set. The feel is excellenf.
    "There are three ways of going to ****: women, gambling, and trusting experts. Women are the most fun, gambling is the most exciting, but trusting experts is the most certain."
    (President De Gaulle)
    Driver - PRGR Super Egg Long-Spec 9.5* 
    Fairway wood - Honma TW737 13*
    Rescue - Honma TW 737 15* 
    Irons and Wedges - Itobori copper finish 4-P, 52, 56, 60; Yururi 52, 56, 60
    Putter - Itobori
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