Taylormade hi-toe

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  • extrastiffextrastiff Members Posts: 856 ✭✭
    edited Sep 16, 2018 #62
    Im not understanding the desire for a high-toe/ mid-high bounce in 52-56. . . .I thought the point of high toe was extended scoring lines and high CG for when opening face on LW since thats what the pros use them for . . . is this just people wanted high-end matching wedges?



    Also, just clarifying, there is not going to be a low-bounce 60 degree with the fully scored face available? Is this because they are worried ATV wont sell?
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  • BiggErnBiggErn Members Posts: 2,163 ✭✭
    extrastiff wrote:
    Im not understanding the desire for a high-toe/ mid-high bounce in 52-56. . . .I thought the point of high toe was extended scoring lines and high CG for when opening face on LW since thats what the pros use them for . . . is this just people wanted high-end matching wedges?



    Also, just clarifying, there is not going to be a low-bounce 60 degree with the fully scored face available? Is this because they are worried ATV wont sell?




    Well there’s desire there or they wouldn’t be making them. Nothing wrong with having a more versatile wedge or giving people more options. They aren’t gonna stop making the MG so you’re good. Pros hit full shots with those wedges too, just like everyone else.
  • UncleJohn’sBandUncleJohn’sBand Members Posts: 972 ✭✭
    As an aside, has anyone stripped the finish/do these rust on their own?
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  • Pleasedwith3puttsPleasedwith3putts Members Posts: 1,712 ✭✭
    If you are a digger that plays soft sand then you can often be better off using a high bounce 56 and really opening up the clubface. It gives you more bounce at any given effective loft than the 60 will and is more versatile for medium length bunker shots. Just remember to try to keep the hands a little lower than normal like Pete Cowan teaches to stop the toe digging when it is that far open.



    The hi-toe gives you a larger effective face for when you lay it open and I would have thought a 56 with hi bounce would have been a natural club for TM to produce, after all the PM grind is a 56/13.
  • ry1808ry1808 Members Posts: 331 ✭✭
    Just seen these on the custom store. In 60 degrees they have 60.10 and 60.ATV



    What is the difference between the two? Which one would be considered the standard retail version.



    Thanks.
  • bensommersbensommers Members Posts: 7
    Looking forward to trying out the 52 as I only play 2 wedges (52/58). The shape will be the biggest question mark.
  • jonn443jonn443 Jonnystx Members Posts: 4,587 ✭✭
    bensommers wrote:


    Looking forward to trying out the 52 as I only play 2 wedges (52/58). The shape will be the biggest question mark.




    Wouldn't you be better off with 54 and 58?
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  • Ogden51Ogden51 AustraliaMembers Posts: 188 ✭✭
    Anyone know if the low bounce 60 is available in lefty? Thanks
  • extrastiffextrastiff Members Posts: 856 ✭✭
    edited Sep 17, 2018 #70
    BiggErn wrote:

    extrastiff wrote:
    Im not understanding the desire for a high-toe/ mid-high bounce in 52-56. . . .I thought the point of high toe was extended scoring lines and high CG for when opening face on LW since thats what the pros use them for . . . is this just people wanted high-end matching wedges?



    Also, just clarifying, there is not going to be a low-bounce 60 degree with the fully scored face available? Is this because they are worried ATV wont sell?




    Well there’s desire there or they wouldn’t be making them. Nothing wrong with having a more versatile wedge or giving people more options. They aren’t gonna stop making the MG so you’re good. Pros hit full shots with those wedges too, just like everyone else.




    i definitely love the club, and not ATV grind so much, so i understand there is desire, just not the point of the high toe with-out the scoring lines. but if for the sake of consistent shape/feel throughout wedges, I understand.




    If you are a digger that plays soft sand then you can often be better off using a high bounce 56 and really opening up the clubface. It gives you more bounce at any given effective loft than the 60 will and is more versatile for medium length bunker shots. Just remember to try to keep the hands a little lower than normal like Pete Cowan teaches to stop the toe digging when it is that far open.



    The hi-toe gives you a larger effective face for when you lay it open and I would have thought a 56 with hi bounce would have been a natural club for TM to produce, after all the PM grind is a 56/13.




    but the PM has lines across face. Does the new hi-toe have a larger effective face without these lines?
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    forged onelength 6i | steelfiber 110x
    p730 7i-pw | steelfiber 110x
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  • Pleasedwith3puttsPleasedwith3putts Members Posts: 1,712 ✭✭
    extrastiff wrote:


    but the PM has lines across face. Does the new hi-toe have a larger effective face without these lines?




    I haven't got to see one yet either in photos or in person but I would expect the 56 to have lines across the whole face like the PM and for the lesser lofts to have standard width grooves
  • TK3309TK3309 Members Posts: 179 ✭✭
    As mentioned previously but the TaylorMade custom shop site is showing a bunch of lofts/lies for the Hi Toe and shipping date as of 9/21/18. Is this a mistake or will these Hi-Toe offering be available very soon? I have had some success with my current 58 Hi Toe but an option with a lower bounce I think would be perfect.
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  • extrastiffextrastiff Members Posts: 856 ✭✭
    edited Sep 17, 2018 #73

    extrastiff wrote:


    but the PM has lines across face. Does the new hi-toe have a larger effective face without these lines?




    I haven't got to see one yet either in photos or in person but I would expect the 56 to have lines across the whole face like the PM and for the lesser lofts to have standard width grooves


    gotcha thanks for info. Someone had posted earlier in thread that it was 54+ and no scoring lines acrosss face, but I cant find it now so guess they deleted
    g400 max 9* | hzrdus black 75 6.5
    f8 15* | hzrdus black 75 6.5
    p790 4i | steelfiber 95x
    black utility onelength 22.5*, 26* | steelfiber 110x
    forged onelength 6i | steelfiber 110x
    p730 7i-pw | steelfiber 110x
    hi-toe 52*9, 56*8, 62*5 | steelfiber 110x
    columbus
    jumbomax tour medium grips
  • BiggErnBiggErn Members Posts: 2,163 ✭✭
    BiggErn wrote:


    I was hoping for a PM grind 54 but looks like I’ll settle for a TM hi-toe. Any idea on a release date?




    I'd appreciate info on release date too.



    Had my first hole out with the Hi toe 60 from 80 yards at the weekend and looking to add a 56 to the bag.






    Go to TM site and go straight to custom shop before you select wedges. Don’t select hi-toe then try to customize. Earliest ship is 9/23
  • taylorx300taylorx300 Members Posts: 1,250 ✭✭
    On the dealer site today

    Standard sole -50/09 52/09 54/10 Grooves do not go all the way across the face.

    4 way sole - 56/10 58/10 60/10 Grooves DO go all the way across the face.

    4 way sole is your typical C grind option ( M grind for Vokey) - will add bounce when played open.
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  • cavanaghcavanagh Posts: 623 ✭✭
    Ordered my 52 yesterday release date in the Uk is the 1st October so will see if it turns up !!!
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    52, high toe

    58 Hi Toe

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  • SmithyinozSmithyinoz Members Posts: 10 ✭✭
    edited Sep 18, 2018 #77
    Mine came today. They look mint, can't wait to try them out.



  • BiggErnBiggErn Members Posts: 2,163 ✭✭
    Smithyinoz wrote:
    Mine came today. They look mint, can't wait to try them out.









    I may just go with a 54*. I love my 58* PM grind especially for full and square face shots so my hope is the Hi-Toe will be similar. If there was a 54* PM grind I’d probably go with that. Or who knows if I like the Hi-Toe enough I may give the 58* a whirl too.
  • elwhippyelwhippy Members Posts: 3,069 ✭✭
    Interesting. Was a bit dismissive but seeing the photos has me curious.
  • Albatross85Albatross85 Tiger is the GOAT St. Louis, MOMembers Posts: 2,828 ✭✭
    Smithyinoz wrote:
    Mine came today. They look mint, can't wait to try them out.



    is the lob the non ATV grind? Could you post a couple pics of the grind if so? Is there much less curve and offset vs the original hi toe?
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    Mizuno T7 60.10 .........................Tour Issue Onyx S400 35.5" D6
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  • TK3309TK3309 Members Posts: 179 ✭✭
    Anyone have any photos they can share of the new 4 way cambered sole? Nothing online yet of any photos of the new offerings but the above pictures look promising.
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  • TheMoneyShotTheMoneyShot ***FIGJAM/Twirl of Doom*** Members Posts: 30,342 ✭✭
    taylorx300 wrote:


    On the dealer site today

    Standard sole -50/09 52/09 54/10 Grooves do not go all the way across the face.

    4 way sole - 56/10 58/10 60/10 Grooves DO go all the way across the face.

    4 way sole is your typical C grind option ( M grind for Vokey) - will add bounce when played open.




    Thanks for the info!
  • MichaelJScottMichaelJScott SchruteFarms Posts: 283 ✭✭
    full face grooves start at 56* and go up from there. 54* will not have full face grooves.
  • GolfBum82GolfBum82 Major Winner Members Posts: 645 ✭✭
    Weird they are shipping early
  • GolfBum82GolfBum82 Major Winner Members Posts: 645 ✭✭
    Smithyinoz wrote:
    Mine came today. They look mint, can't wait to try them out.







    Wow you got them super early
  • mizunoMP14mizunoMP14 IndianaMembers Posts: 614 ✭✭
    Smithyinoz wrote:


    Mine came today. They look mint, can't wait to try them out.







    If you could take more pics of the grinds them or a side by side pic of another wedge to see the shape that would be great!
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  • SmithyinozSmithyinoz Members Posts: 10 ✭✭
    Here they are compared to their respective lofts in the milled grind standard bounce.
  • extrastiffextrastiff Members Posts: 856 ✭✭
    Side note: I wish there was a low bounce option LW. Once I found out there wasnt, I put a sneaky heel grind on my 62 degree. Awesome move. Hi-toe is replacing 3 iron for this weeks round. Cant wait for the 58 to arrive.
    g400 max 9* | hzrdus black 75 6.5
    f8 15* | hzrdus black 75 6.5
    p790 4i | steelfiber 95x
    black utility onelength 22.5*, 26* | steelfiber 110x
    forged onelength 6i | steelfiber 110x
    p730 7i-pw | steelfiber 110x
    hi-toe 52*9, 56*8, 62*5 | steelfiber 110x
    columbus
    jumbomax tour medium grips
  • Albatross85Albatross85 Tiger is the GOAT St. Louis, MOMembers Posts: 2,828 ✭✭
    Titleist TS3 8.5* ............................Tensei Pro White 70TX proto 44.5" D5
    Titleist TS2 15.75* .......................Tensei Pro White 80TX proto 42.5" D4
    Mizuno MP18 Fli-Hi #2 17.5* Handcrafted HZRDUS 105 6.5 39.75" D2
    Titleist 712U 4 iron ....................C-taper S+ 125 D2
    Wilson FG Tour V6 5-P .............PX LZ 6.5 +3/8" D3.5 off 46* PW
    SM6 50.12F ...................................PX LZ 6.5 + 3/8"" D5
    Mizuno T7 55.09 .........................PX LZ 6.5 35.5" D6
    Mizuno T7 60.10 .........................Tour Issue Onyx S400 35.5" D6
    Odyssey Tour Only Jailbird Mini Versa BWB Plumbers Neck WHP insert
    Bridgestone Tour B XS


  • mizunoMP14mizunoMP14 IndianaMembers Posts: 614 ✭✭
    The 4 way sole looks way better than the atv. I just could not get along with the atv
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  • Pleasedwith3puttsPleasedwith3putts Members Posts: 1,712 ✭✭
    I'd really appreciate anyone that has a 56 posting some photos.



    I'm loving my 60 ATV and thinking of adding a 56 to the bag but I'm a digger and 10 degrees bounce is on the light side for me but I'm guessing the sole is still going to be wider on the hi toe 56 than the milled grind 56/13 which could make all the difference.
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