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  • Hammer22Hammer22 Members  677WRX Points: 199Handicap: 6Posts: 677 Golden Tee
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    I had probably commented in another thread, but hit the HMPro 7-iron compared to my 919F 7-iron (Modus120 shafts in both) and the results were essentially the same.<br />
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    Club speed 92-93MPH, ball speed right around 122-123MPH, launch 17-18°, carry around 181-182, and backspin in the vicinity of 7,500RPM (all with my new ball). Probably 8-10 balls each on the monitor, and weird how close they all were. I'm sure the Pro's would be a touch more forgiving - and they did feel nice - but it made me glad that I wasn't going to regret the 919F purchase. May think about a 4-iron from the Pro line down the road, but there is no big hurry.
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  • th6252th6252 Members  1357WRX Points: 198Posts: 1,357 Platinum Tees
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    has anyone been able to confirm the bounce specs on the hm pros? i would've thought they would have a touch more bounce than the forged but according to mizuno europe's site, the pro 7i has only 1.5° of bounce while the forged have 3°.
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  • KParksKParks Members  170WRX Points: 52Posts: 170 Fairways
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    Is anyone gaming the generic Gap Wedge with the HM Pro (or even I guess the regular HM)?<br />
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    Getting close to ordering a set of the HM Pro but it seems strange to me to have three different types of clubs at the bottom of the bag -- HM Pro PW, generic 919/HM GW, then specialty wedges. <br />
    <br />
    So probably going to go 4-PW in HM Pro, and then just a set of "matching" 50/54/58 wedges (still deciding what these will be, but probably Ping Glide 2.0 Stealths, SS grinds in the 50 and 54, ES grind in the 58). I'd prefer to go 4-GW in the same set of irons (since GW is still a "full swing" club for me 90%+ of the time and I use the 54/58 for different specialty shots), and will do that if I end up going with a different set of irons with my fitting, but it seems strange to do it when the GW is so different from the set PW (i.e. GW has MORE offset than the PW, and then just my OCD kicking in on the paint fill).
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  • mattdubyamattdubya Members  104WRX Points: 47Posts: 104 Fairways
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    KParks wrote:
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    Is anyone gaming the generic Gap Wedge with the HM Pro (or even I guess the regular HM)?<br />
    <br />
    Getting close to ordering a set of the HM Pro but it seems strange to me to have three different types of clubs at the bottom of the bag -- HM Pro PW, generic 919/HM GW, then specialty wedges.<br />
    <br />
    So probably going to go 4-PW in HM Pro, and then just a set of "matching" 50/54/58 wedges (still deciding what these will be, but probably Ping Glide 2.0 Stealths, SS grinds in the 50 and 54, ES grind in the 58). I'd prefer to go 4-GW in the same set of irons (since GW is still a "full swing" club for me 90%+ of the time and I use the 54/58 for different specialty shots), and will do that if I end up going with a different set of irons with my fitting, but it seems strange to do it when the GW is so different from the set PW (i.e. GW has MORE offset than the PW, and then just my OCD kicking in on the paint fill).<br />
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    i am but i only have some range time and about 3 rounds in with it. i love it. feels great. distance is reliable for me and it's pretty forgiving. i thin you should go hit one for sure
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  • jcorna01jcorna01 Members  700WRX Points: 106Posts: 700 Golden Tee
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    The HM GW does look a little funny compared to the Pro PW since it’s bigger. Visually, the forged GW looks more in place and blends better but I can’t speak to performance differences. I put both GW next to the Pro PW and would probably order the forged GW if I had to without actually testing performance differences. Specialty GW obviously is a 3rd option.
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  • KParksKParks Members  170WRX Points: 52Posts: 170 Fairways
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    jcorna01 wrote:
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    The HM GW does look a little funny compared to the Pro PW since it's bigger. Visually, the forged GW looks more in place and blends better but I can't speak to performance differences. I put both GW next to the Pro PW and would probably order the forged GW if I had to without actually testing performance differences. Specialty GW obviously is a 3rd option.<br />
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    That is a good idea I hadn't thought about, blending in the Forged GW instead of the HM GW. Will definitely have to do some testing with that, the HM GW and then just a Specialty GW and see what feels good and looks good in terms of actually filling the gap as well.
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  • rfarrell51rfarrell51 Members  1349WRX Points: 123Posts: 1,349 Platinum Tees
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    I ordered 5-PW and a 50 degree S18 GW. I have the S18 56 so I’ll be good to go. All same shaft mfg, NS Pro Modus
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  • liptrotliptrot Members  170WRX Points: 55Posts: 170 Fairways
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    I've hit the forged extensively. I hit the hot metal pro 4-5 different times on launch monitor. I liked the feel and consistency of the forged and didn't see much of a difference in forgiveness with the HM Pro. Ordered regular Hot Metal 4 iron and 5-9 in forged. I didn't love the look of the pitching wedge so ordered Ping 46 degree stealth glide 2
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  • reider69reider69 Members  662WRX Points: 125Handicap: golfPosts: 662 Golden Tee
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    KParks wrote:
    <br />
    Is anyone gaming the generic Gap Wedge with the HM Pro (or even I guess the regular HM)?<br />
    <br />
    Getting close to ordering a set of the HM Pro but it seems strange to me to have three different types of clubs at the bottom of the bag -- HM Pro PW, generic 919/HM GW, then specialty wedges. <br />
    <br />
    So probably going to go 4-PW in HM Pro, and then just a set of "matching" 50/54/58 wedges (still deciding what these will be, but probably Ping Glide 2.0 Stealths, SS grinds in the 50 and 54, ES grind in the 58). I'd prefer to go 4-GW in the same set of irons (since GW is still a "full swing" club for me 90%+ of the time and I use the 54/58 for different specialty shots), and will do that if I end up going with a different set of irons with my fitting, but it seems strange to do it when the GW is so different from the set PW (i.e. GW has MORE offset than the PW, and then just my OCD kicking in on the paint fill).<br />
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    I just bought the Ping Stealth 54 SS and 58 ES to go with my 900 forged. I use the 900 forged gap wedge at 50 degrees and transitions very nicely into the Pings. The 900 forged wedge and gap wedge are compact with a thin top line and look great. You could probably pick one up for a song on the bay to match your set.
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  • WoodywatcherWoodywatcher Members  145WRX Points: 55Posts: 145 Fairways
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    Does anyone know if they are going to do a 2 / 3 iron so we can have a driving iron? Like the idea of a my 919 tours with a hot metal pro 2 iron.
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  • third-times-a-charmthird-times-a-charm Members  3275WRX Points: 1,396Posts: 3,275 Titanium Tees
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    Does anyone know if they are going to do a 2 / 3 iron so we can have a driving iron? Like the idea of a my 919 tours with a hot metal pro 2 iron.<br />
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    99% they wont.<br />
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    Mizuno has the FliHi UDI for that dont they?
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  • nDroid3nDroid3 USAMembers  119WRX Points: 34Posts: 119 Fairways
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    Anyone compare these to the 919 Forged?
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    <br />
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    Does anyone know if they are going to do a 2 / 3 iron so we can have a driving iron? Like the idea of a my 919 tours with a hot metal pro 2 iron.<br />
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    99% they wont.<br />
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    Mizuno has the FliHi UDI for that dont they?<br />
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    I think the only chance for some type of new 2-iron would be around the British Open when more players start wanting a 2-iron or some type of driving iron.
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  • BlkNGldBlkNGld Members  3084WRX Points: 233Posts: 3,084 Titanium Tees
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    KParks wrote:
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    jcorna01 wrote:
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    The HM GW does look a little funny compared to the Pro PW since it's bigger. Visually, the forged GW looks more in place and blends better but I can't speak to performance differences. I put both GW next to the Pro PW and would probably order the forged GW if I had to without actually testing performance differences. Specialty GW obviously is a 3rd option.<br />
    <br />
    <br />
    That is a good idea I hadn't thought about, blending in the Forged GW instead of the HM GW. Will definitely have to do some testing with that, the HM GW and then just a Specialty GW and see what feels good and looks good in terms of actually filling the gap as well.<br />
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    I had my first look at the HMPs yesterday and came to the same conclusion. GW just looks off and the forged seems like a better fit, even with the regular HMs IMO.
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  • bazinkybazinky Members  1742WRX Points: 226Posts: 1,742 Platinum Tees
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    The offset progression looks like it would be tough to blend these with the Forged and/or Tour. Seems a bit weird that the offset is les than the both the Forged and the Tour, but it's a really good looking club. Definitely planning on adding these to my testing list for the upcoming season.
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  • dannykosdannykos Members  260WRX Points: 86Posts: 260 Greens
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    I could have sworn I’d heard or read that these would rrp at the same price as the standard HM - but everywhere I’m seeing them for sale here in the uk has them priced higher? What gives?
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  • jcorna01jcorna01 Members  700WRX Points: 106Posts: 700 Golden Tee
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    Yea they are the same price here. I saw a UK-based YouTube review that said they cost more and thought he was mistaken but apparently not.
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    Thinking about getting new irons next season, coming from the cf16, I will be looking at the 919F and the most likely to come end of the year 720 ap2
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  • nDroid3nDroid3 USAMembers  119WRX Points: 34Posts: 119 Fairways
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    They are the same price as the HM at my local shops.
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  • dannykosdannykos Members  260WRX Points: 86Posts: 260 Greens
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    nDroid3 wrote:
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    They are the same price as the HM at my local shops.<br />
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    US or UK?
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    dannykos wrote:
    nDroid3 wrote:
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    They are the same price as the HM at my local shops.<br />
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    US or UK?
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    US.
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  • AcmeGolfAcmeGolf Members  380WRX Points: 82Handicap: 5Posts: 380 Greens
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    Ordered a set of HMP's yesterday, should be here in time for a quick trip to Phoenix in a couple weeks. I went through a fitting last fall when the 919 line was released and was fitted into the Tours but I didn't want to get new irons heading into winter, so I waited. I had also heard the whispers of the the HMP's being released later and I was curious to see this "players" distance iron. IMO they were worth the wait. I thought I would not like them immediately because they were not forged and I have play forged Mizuno's for a long time (except for a brief PXG experiment last year). I could tell the difference but it was not as big as I thought. All the numbers were good, so that was that.<br />
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    5-GW Modus Pro 120...I was also hesitant regarding the GW in the HMP but decided to give it a chance. I play S18 wedges already so a 50 could be inserted easily if needed.
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    I was going back and forth with either the Pros or the forged...but you’re right, I didn’t notice a big difference in feels. The minor difference in feel was not worth the difference in cost. <br />
    You could get an extra club or two with that cost difference.
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    KParks wrote:
    <br />
    jcorna01 wrote:
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    The HM GW does look a little funny compared to the Pro PW since it's bigger. Visually, the forged GW looks more in place and blends better but I can't speak to performance differences. I put both GW next to the Pro PW and would probably order the forged GW if I had to without actually testing performance differences. Specialty GW obviously is a 3rd option.<br />
    <br />
    <br />
    That is a good idea I hadn't thought about, blending in the Forged GW instead of the HM GW. Will definitely have to do some testing with that, the HM GW and then just a Specialty GW and see what feels good and looks good in terms of actually filling the gap as well.<br />
    <br />
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    That’s what I did. Went with forged gap wedge with my HM pro set. Visually it made more sense and I really like the forged any way. Love the extra ball speed from the pros.
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    nDroid3 wrote:
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    I was going back and forth with either the Pros or the forged...but you’re right, I didn’t notice a big difference in feels. The minor difference in feel was not worth the difference in cost. <br />
    You could get an extra club or two with that cost difference.<br />
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    Mizuno may have created a product that will cannibalize its higher priced and more premium offering. Who knows, margins may be much much higher on the cast Hot Metals so it may not matter from a financial perspective.
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    bazinky wrote:
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    The offset progression looks like it would be tough to blend these with the Forged and/or Tour. Seems a bit weird that the offset is les than the both the Forged and the Tour, but it's a really good looking club. Definitely planning on adding these to my testing list for the upcoming season.<br />
    <br />
    <br />
    https://golf.mizunoeurope.com/irons-comparison-table/<br />
    <br />
    The HMP has slightly more offset than the Tour.
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  • nDroid3nDroid3 USAMembers  119WRX Points: 34Posts: 119 Fairways
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    jjl wrote:
    bazinky wrote:
    <br />
    The offset progression looks like it would be tough to blend these with the Forged and/or Tour. Seems a bit weird that the offset is les than the both the Forged and the Tour, but it's a really good looking club. Definitely planning on adding these to my testing list for the upcoming season.<br />
    <br />
    <br />
    https://golf.mizunoeurope.com/irons-comparison-table/<br />
    <br />
    The HMP has slightly more offset than the Tour.
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    It would have made more sense to have the offset be more than the forged, less than the Original HM, but it looks likes it’s between the tour and the forge.
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  • brew4eaglebrew4eagle VAMembers  3734WRX Points: 719Handicap: 8.2Posts: 3,734 Titanium Tees
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    nDroid3 wrote:
    <br />
    jjl wrote:
    bazinky wrote:
    <br />
    The offset progression looks like it would be tough to blend these with the Forged and/or Tour. Seems a bit weird that the offset is les than the both the Forged and the Tour, but it's a really good looking club. Definitely planning on adding these to my testing list for the upcoming season.<br />
    <br />
    <br />
    https://golf.mizunoeurope.com/irons-comparison-table/<br />
    <br />
    The HMP has slightly more offset than the Tour.
    <br />
    <br />
    It would have made more sense to have the offset be more than the forged, less than the Original HM, but it looks likes it’s between the tour and the forge.<br />
    <br />
    <br />
    Agree. Saw these today and I didn't like the look at address. The combination of minimal offset, but chunky lines looked weird to me. I actually liked the looks of the regular HM better. Didn't hit either of them though.
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    brew4eagle wrote:
    <br />
    nDroid3 wrote:
    <br />
    jjl wrote:
    bazinky wrote:
    <br />
    The offset progression looks like it would be tough to blend these with the Forged and/or Tour. Seems a bit weird that the offset is les than the both the Forged and the Tour, but it's a really good looking club. Definitely planning on adding these to my testing list for the upcoming season.<br />
    <br />
    <br />
    https://golf.mizunoe...mparison-table/<br />
    <br />
    The HMP has slightly more offset than the Tour.
    <br />
    <br />
    It would have made more sense to have the offset be more than the forged, less than the Original HM, but it looks likes it's between the tour and the forge.<br />
    <br />
    <br />
    Agree. Saw these today and I didn't like the look at address. The combination of minimal offset, but chunky lines looked weird to me. I actually liked the looks of the regular HM better. Didn't hit either of them though.<br />
    <br />
    <br />
    I think you guys are spot on. Really want to like the HM Pro but I don't think the look matches the target player. Offset should have been between Forged and regular HM.<br />
    <br />
    Mizuno should have followed Titleist' lead a little more where they put the AP3 directly between the AP2 and AP1, that's how the HM Pro should have been designed. HM Pro has been going back and looking at the AP3...<br />
    <br />
    Does anyone remember the Mizuno MX-20/MX-23 design? Why can't miz bring this back? A forged GI with medium offset...919 forged is close but I still think the MX-20/MX-23s were more forgiving...
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    hd.softail wrote:
    <br />
    brew4eagle wrote:
    <br />
    nDroid3 wrote:
    <br />
    jjl wrote:
    bazinky wrote:
    <br />
    The offset progression looks like it would be tough to blend these with the Forged and/or Tour. Seems a bit weird that the offset is les than the both the Forged and the Tour, but it's a really good looking club. Definitely planning on adding these to my testing list for the upcoming season.<br />
    <br />
    <br />
    https://golf.mizunoe...mparison-table/<br />
    <br />
    The HMP has slightly more offset than the Tour.
    <br />
    <br />
    It would have made more sense to have the offset be more than the forged, less than the Original HM, but it looks likes it's between the tour and the forge.<br />
    <br />
    <br />
    Agree. Saw these today and I didn't like the look at address. The combination of minimal offset, but chunky lines looked weird to me. I actually liked the looks of the regular HM better. Didn't hit either of them though.<br />
    <br />
    <br />
    I think you guys are spot on. Really want to like the HM Pro but I don't think the look matches the target player. Offset should have been between Forged and regular HM.<br />
    <br />
    Mizuno should have followed Titleist' lead a little more where they put the AP3 directly between the AP2 and AP1, that's how the HM Pro should have been designed. HM Pro has been going back and looking at the AP3...<br />
    <br />
    Does anyone remember the MX-20 and MX-23 irons? Don't understand why Mizuno can't build those, a forged GI iron...<br />
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