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  • RobYakesRobYakes "You can talk to a fade but a hook won't listen" Washington, D.C. 392WRX Points: 71Members, ClubWRX Posts: 392
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    I'm all for a HM Pro/Tour version if Mizuno is thinking that they need a player's/low-hdcp distance iron in addition to their current MP and JPX offerings. I think the only way Mizuno does these is they make them with similar specs as TM's P790s in size/offset. Same Hot Metal tech but in a size and offset that would be between the 919 Tours and 919 Forged. Maybe use initials "JPX 919 HM Pro"
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  • hd.softailhd.softail  519WRX Points: 123Members Posts: 519
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    I heard the Hot Metal Pro are a copy of the Players Distance Iron niche that's getting so popular like PXG, P790, I500, etc.
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  • BlkNGldBlkNGld  3015WRX Points: 197Members Posts: 3,015
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    hd.softail wrote:


    I heard the Hot Metal Pro are a copy of the Players Distance Iron niche that's getting so popular like PXG, P790, I500, etc.




    Those are pretty different so not sure how it copies them all... might be better to say it addresses the same market.



    That said, many are reporting distances with the 919 forged that are only slightly behind the HM, or the i500. If that becomes commonplace, it's reasonable to ask what else an HM Pro brings to the table.
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  • BeconBecon  51WRX Points: 48Members Posts: 51
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    As someone with a slower swing that likes the 919 tour's aesthetic, I want a 919 similar to the i500 so I can play longer irons. No way I can gap the 4,5,6 tour correctly.
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  • hardtenhardten  3622WRX Points: 144Members Posts: 3,622
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    BlkNGld wrote:


    Based on the fact that the 919 fitting carts have open clubhead spots marked with that name, I have to say yes.



    IMO, a bit of fail not announcing it with the rest given this lets the cat out of the bag anyway. No matter what, there are going to be questions about where the HM Pro sits vs the JPX Forged regardless of when it's unveiled, and getting your own messaging and position out there is almost always preferable to unfounded speculations that'll otherwise fill the void.


    Agree
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  • mikeberlinmikeberlin  200WRX Points: 49Members Posts: 200
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    nova6868 wrote:



    Would it be funky to have a combo Hot Metal 4-6 then Tour 7-P?




    Probably. Plus you might need HM 5-7 and Tour 7-P to get the yardages right.




    I've been thinking of MP 18 FliHi 4-6 and 919 Tour 7-PW. Bending the lofts of the FliHis to get the gapping right. Anyone see any potential issues with this setup?
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  • hardtenhardten  3622WRX Points: 144Members Posts: 3,622
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    Tommyj wrote:

    Golf64 wrote:


    I have hit all the new 919 stuff. If you like the genre of club the HM falls under, you will love it!!! Great looking, feeling, performing club! image/wink.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=';)' />




    Any thoughts on 919 HM vs the 900 version, any real improvement or mainly cosmetic?


    I don't notice an appreciable difference hitting both a couple demo sessions.
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  • nic19nic19  505WRX Points: 33Members Posts: 505
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    Has anyone actually seen these?
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  • bob_fishbob_fish NC 72WRX Points: 53ClubWRX Posts: 72
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    spring7 wrote:

    dhen9 wrote:

    hd.softail wrote:

    Nias wrote:


    Sounds a little like an AP3 challenger?




    Sure sounds like it and it's a welcome addition to any OEM product line. For a 10hdcp like me who thinks the forged are not forgiving enough yet can't get along with the significantly more chunky Hot Metal something in between is just what I need.



    It's not just about looks either. When fitting, we can't get the Hot Metal in the correct fitting window where the forged are the right club on paper but, just not forgiving enough. I have the same issue between AP1 and AP2. AP3 for me is a perfect fit.



    Thanks to Titleist and Miz for adding the clubs I've been waiting a long time for! I've called out PING on this before. I'd love to see them put something in between the i210 and the g400. Specifically something with a little longer blade length for forgiveness. See, 10 handicapers don't necessarily need more height or higher launch/lower spin, or more offset. They just need a little more blade length to allow for our 50 cent coin miss range vs the pro/single digit who has a strike pattern the size of a dime.


    Totally agree. For the last few years I've been on a search for longer blade length with minimal offset. Only getting out a few times a year means I really need the forgiveness but don't have an issue getting the ball airborne. My "crazy" won't allow me to have a mish-mash set of irons so 0311X 5 iron, with XF 6-7 and "P" in 8-G is what I rock. I tried the MMC and Fli-hi MP before the PXG but just not as forgiving. Between the JPX Fli-Hi utility rumored and these I may be able to try something different. I haven't played Mizuno since T-Zoid Pro and love the looks of the newest JPX.




    old as the hills now, but the j40dpc's were exactly what I wanted when I wanted a low offset longer length iron. The reminded me of my old Ram ProSet long irons I had in the early 90's




    would love for Bridgestone to re-release the j40dpc irons. I loved mine and cannot tell you how many times I have kicked myself for selling them.
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  • JonnyKrasnodarJonnyKrasnodar  1874WRX Points: 164Members Posts: 1,874
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    hardten wrote:

    Tommyj wrote:

    Golf64 wrote:


    I have hit all the new 919 stuff. If you like the genre of club the HM falls under, you will love it!!! Great looking, feeling, performing club! image/wink.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=';)' />




    Any thoughts on 919 HM vs the 900 version, any real improvement or mainly cosmetic?


    I don't notice an appreciable difference hitting both a couple demo sessions.




    Ever so slightly longer, a yard or two, same feel, same dispersion, more or less the same trajectory.
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  • SwingManSwingMan SwingMan  6800WRX Points: 67Members Posts: 6,800
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    Would it be funky to have a combo Hot Metal 4-6 then Tour 7-P?




    Yes, the Forged is a natural upgrade from the HM with some loft adjustment
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  • payerasjlpayerasjl  814WRX Points: 94Members Posts: 814
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    I cant believe its not butter. love my new mizzys. Dont think i will ever leave mizzuno irons after grabbing my first set a few weeks ago
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    payerasjl wrote:


    I cant believe its not butter. love my new mizzys. Dont think i will ever leave mizzuno irons after grabbing my first set a few weeks ago


    Which Mizuno clubs did you get?
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  • DTown3011DTown3011 #DTown3011  3619WRX Points: 230ClubWRX Posts: 3,619
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    nic19 wrote:


    Has anyone actually seen these?




    It looks exactly like the hot metal but smaller head, thinner sole, thinner topline, and less offset.
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    Any release date? Sorry if someone has mentioned it?
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  • third-times-a-charmthird-times-a-charm  2165WRX Points: 661Members Posts: 2,165
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    nic19 wrote:


    Any release date? Sorry if someone has mentioned it?




    Supposedly mid February 2019
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  • pcs11pcs11  1230WRX Points: 174Members Posts: 1,230
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    These sound like they will be amazing driving iron/long iron replacements.
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    DTown3011 wrote:

    nic19 wrote:


    Has anyone actually seen these?




    It looks exactly like the hot metal but smaller head, thinner sole, thinner topline, and less offset.




    Nice, when did you see them? Any idea when the carts will get demo heads?
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  • jetmech879jetmech879  1407WRX Points: 227Members Posts: 1,407
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    76mpg wrote:

    DTown3011 wrote:

    nic19 wrote:


    Has anyone actually seen these?




    It looks exactly like the hot metal but smaller head, thinner sole, thinner topline, and less offset.




    Nice, when did you see them? Any idea when the carts will get demo heads?




    Any word if there will be a 2 or 3 iron in these to compete in the driving iron market?
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  • jonfleshjonflesh  296WRX Points: 52Members Posts: 296
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    What is gonna be the difference between the hm pro and the forged. Hm slightly more forgiving and slightly stronger lofts?
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  • SwingManSwingMan SwingMan  6800WRX Points: 67Members Posts: 6,800
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    jonflesh wrote:


    What is gonna be the difference between the hm pro and the forged. Hm slightly more forgiving and slightly stronger lofts?




    Based on their inherent design, HM is a cup face for better ball speed on off-center hits; the forged has thinned out its face for more ballspeed and will still be more playable from various lies due to its smaller size - and you will probably not see the back of the sole on longer irons as one does with the HM. Just a guess based on the present irons and description of HM Pro
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  • SFargoSFargo  7WRX Points: 0Members Posts: 7
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    This topic has REALLY got my attention! I currently play HM 900’s and am pretty happy with them. I’ve been testing the 919’s and am settling on a split set of HM 4-6 and Forged 7-P. The new Hot Metal 919 is longer and higher than the 900 and is a great club with one problem, (for me), the occasional “jumper”. I hit a teed up 7, 180 yards the other day, not good. My normal distance might stretch to 160. That’s why I’m looking to the Forged. The 919 Forged is more forgiving than the 900 and has the buttery feel of a blade. A concern is the gapping of the split set.

    The HM Pro sounds like it would be perfect. The name alone helps with our egos. If I had a wish list, I’d make the low irons forged, or ?, to accomplish what I’m looking to do with the 919’s split set. Mizuno would corner the market for the “better” player.
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    76mpg wrote:

    DTown3011 wrote:

    nic19 wrote:


    Has anyone actually seen these?




    It looks exactly like the hot metal but smaller head, thinner sole, thinner topline, and less offset.




    Nice, when did you see them? Any idea when the carts will get demo heads?




    I’m sworn to secrecy!
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  • dmeeksDCdmeeksDC  2514WRX Points: 262ClubWRX Posts: 2,514
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    I was checking this line out today. The HM 919 has quite a wide sole. Disguised by the different finishes splitting it, but it is wide and that explains why these are so forgiving despite the low bounce. To my eye the Tour and Forged looked better but I could see a HM as a long iron replacement instead of a hybrid. I am going to hit them all at some point and I want to see the HM Pro. But I am thinking 9-P in the Tour and the rest 919 Forged. With the thinner face on the Forged it seems you get all the distance you need and I don’t necessarily see an advantage to the HM. The Pros really will be tweeners.
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  • evoviiiyouevoviiiyou evoviiiyou  2013WRX Points: 163Members Posts: 2,013
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    dmeeksDC wrote:


    I was checking this line out today. The HM 919 has quite a wide sole. Disguised by the different finishes splitting it, but it is wide and that explains why these are so forgiving despite the low bounce. To my eye the Tour and Forged looked better but I could see a HM as a long iron replacement instead of a hybrid. I am going to hit them all at some point and I want to see the HM Pro. But I am thinking 9-P in the Tour and the rest 919 Forged. With the thinner face on the Forged it seems you get all the distance you need and I don’t necessarily see an advantage to the HM. The Pros really will be tweeners.




    This is just about what I just ordered:



    4-9 Forged

    PW Tour 1*strong



    At Carl’s Golf Land outside with real ball flight, the Forged are just lovely. Seemingly more responsive from a subjective “feel” and sound standpoint than my P790’s which I love. Recently, while my 919’s are being built, I went back to my 900 Forged and surprised I left them for the P790’s. I think the distance gain 5-7 yards at the same club speed and spin with the P790’s seduced me. In the end I will not leave Mizuno Forged irons in some form ever again. Bank it
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    76mpg wrote:

    DTown3011 wrote:

    nic19 wrote:


    Has anyone actually seen these?




    It looks exactly like the hot metal but smaller head, thinner sole, thinner topline, and less offset.




    Nice, when did you see them? Any idea when the carts will get demo heads?
    Soon! image/smile.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':)' />
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    dtowngolf wrote:
    76mpg wrote:

    DTown3011 wrote:

    nic19 wrote:


    Has anyone actually seen these?




    It looks exactly like the hot metal but smaller head, thinner sole, thinner topline, and less offset.




    Nice, when did you see them? Any idea when the carts will get demo heads?
    Soon! image/smile.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':)' />




    Will these have less offset than forged? I would consider a 2 iron and 4 iron paired with 919 tour 5-pw if that’s the case, not a huge fan of the forged look
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  • nofxnate28nofxnate28  40WRX Points: 7Members Posts: 40
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    dtowngolf wrote:

    76mpg wrote:

    DTown3011 wrote:

    nic19 wrote:


    Has anyone actually seen these?




    It looks exactly like the hot metal but smaller head, thinner sole, thinner topline, and less offset.




    Nice, when did you see them? Any idea when the carts will get demo heads?
    Soon! image/smile.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':)' />




    Geez. Now I don't know whether to wait for these or go with a combo of the existing 919 series.
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  • evoviiiyouevoviiiyou evoviiiyou  2013WRX Points: 163Members Posts: 2,013
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    I can’t see the Hot Metal pro add more “player” like design characteristics than the Forged?



    My guess would be Tour/ Forged/ HM Pro/ HM in terms of size, top lines, soles, forgiveness etc...



    And/Or



    HM pro adds 2-3-4 irons like a JPX version of the MP Fli-Hi series.
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    Saw the 919 pros on Tourspec website. Imagine the HM pro will be similar
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