Question for guys with golfing wife/GF

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  • NaptimeNaptime Members Posts: 596 ✭✭
    I know plenty of wonderful folks with wonderful personalities, great skills in various fields, like my wife, but that doesn't mean I want to play golf with them. Doesn't mean I think less of them, just don't wanna play golf with them. Or shoot with them. Or fish with them. Or boat with them. Doesn't mean I think they are somehow a life burden etc. No need to make this a guilt trip for anybody. image/taunt.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':taunt:' />
  • Skaffa77Skaffa77 No place like the Sand Hills! ClubWRX Posts: 6,841 ClubWRX
    edited Sep 17, 2018 #63
    Results are interesting...not sure I understand it 100%. My current wife golfs and honestly, I golf "less" since being with her than when I was in a previous marriage. Again, being honest...I basically used golf as an "escape" from my last marriage. In my previous marriage, I practiced a ton and I scored better so my satisfaction with my "golf life style" was extremely high, but I was very unhappy in general and if I had a bad round, my temperament got the best of me.



    I play less golf now because I have a great wife, good friends and many other activities and events that occupy my time. At times, I reminisce about all of the "me time" I used to have on the golf course, but I also realize I was very alone and I believe I'm a much happier person today than when I devoted all of my time to golf (aka...my escape from a bad marriage).
  • I_HATE_SNOWI_HATE_SNOW Members Posts: 3,228 ✭✭
    I don't agree with the results. Play 90% of my golf with the wife and really enjoy it. Currently planning a golf trip for the end of the month, with her.
  • Pieter PPieter P Posts: 85 ✭✭

    Pieter P wrote:


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    No, not what you think.

    Good game lined up = game booked with friends and she does not have a spot in the group.

    Some of my mates does not like female company on the golf course, which is fine too. I also like to have a few games in an all male group.

    Variety is the spice of life.



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    If I have a good game lined up, and she does not, it can be frustrating for her




    I assume when you say that, you mean you're playing well? That's the one thing I found kind of funny. In the hundreds of rounds I've played with my wife, only on a couple select occasions have we both played well at the same time. Typically if it's her day, it isn't mine or vise versa haha
  • BNGLBNGL Members Posts: 1,557 ✭✭


    Sounds like another bogus or bias social media survey that targeted certain people. Bet an underlying motive is tied to cost for two players too. Every weekend golf costs me $200-$300.

    I didn't marry till late, so I had plenty of time to enjoy myself, travel and compete in a few amateur sports all while building a company. Thus when I decided to marry, I expected to spend time doing all sorts of activities with my wife, golf being one. Oh, she was a golfer and tennis player before we met. My wife plays to a 12 and a buddies wife to 13, among other women I know. And each of them plays golf in all sorts of conditions and nearly every day on vacation. I don't need permission to play with the guys or go fishing, shooting or hunting, and she doesn't need permission to do what she want's with the girls.



    My last two clubs had a rather large active women's club and more than one couples golf event per month. Yet, I know guys that never want their wife or GF playing golf, as golf is their way of getting away from the woman. Go figure. image/beach.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':beach:' />




    These clubs are called Pine Valley, California GC of San Fransisco, and Butler National. No women members or severely restricted playing privileges. Call me a chauvinistic pig all you want but I rather enjoyed the atmosphere at PV. I was invited by a member and asked if my girlfriend could accompany, he said nope women were not permitted to play except Sunday after 1200 I think (may have changed since then) long story short I went to PV. She was a little annoyed to say the least, but we have been back a couple times as guests plus I took her to the Masters that year so we were good lol
  • GolfChannelGolfChannel Orlando, FloridaMembers Posts: 1,627 ✭✭
    BNGL wrote:


    Sounds like another bogus or bias social media survey that targeted certain people. Bet an underlying motive is tied to cost for two players too. Every weekend golf costs me $200-$300.

    I didn't marry till late, so I had plenty of time to enjoy myself, travel and compete in a few amateur sports all while building a company. Thus when I decided to marry, I expected to spend time doing all sorts of activities with my wife, golf being one. Oh, she was a golfer and tennis player before we met. My wife plays to a 12 and a buddies wife to 13, among other women I know. And each of them plays golf in all sorts of conditions and nearly every day on vacation. I don't need permission to play with the guys or go fishing, shooting or hunting, and she doesn't need permission to do what she want's with the girls.



    My last two clubs had a rather large active women's club and more than one couples golf event per month. Yet, I know guys that never want their wife or GF playing golf, as golf is their way of getting away from the woman. Go figure. image/beach.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':beach:' />




    These clubs are called Pine Valley, California GC of San Fransisco, and Butler National. No women members or severely restricted playing privileges. Call me a chauvinistic pig all you want but I rather enjoyed the atmosphere at PV. I was invited by a member and asked if my girlfriend could accompany, he said nope women were not permitted to play except Sunday after 1200 I think (may have changed since then) long story short I went to PV. She was a little annoyed to say the least, but we have been back a couple times as guests plus I took her to the Masters that year so we were good lol






    Yeah, you’re good, in that you have no actual future with her if you believe the s*** you unfortunately wasted precious time typing.
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  • BNGLBNGL Members Posts: 1,557 ✭✭
    edited Sep 17, 2018 #68

    BNGL wrote:


    Sounds like another bogus or bias social media survey that targeted certain people. Bet an underlying motive is tied to cost for two players too. Every weekend golf costs me $200-$300.

    I didn't marry till late, so I had plenty of time to enjoy myself, travel and compete in a few amateur sports all while building a company. Thus when I decided to marry, I expected to spend time doing all sorts of activities with my wife, golf being one. Oh, she was a golfer and tennis player before we met. My wife plays to a 12 and a buddies wife to 13, among other women I know. And each of them plays golf in all sorts of conditions and nearly every day on vacation. I don't need permission to play with the guys or go fishing, shooting or hunting, and she doesn't need permission to do what she want's with the girls.



    My last two clubs had a rather large active women's club and more than one couples golf event per month. Yet, I know guys that never want their wife or GF playing golf, as golf is their way of getting away from the woman. Go figure. image/beach.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':beach:' />




    These clubs are called Pine Valley, California GC of San Fransisco, and Butler National. No women members or severely restricted playing privileges. Call me a chauvinistic pig all you want but I rather enjoyed the atmosphere at PV. I was invited by a member and asked if my girlfriend could accompany, he said nope women were not permitted to play except Sunday after 1200 I think (may have changed since then) long story short I went to PV. She was a little annoyed to say the least, but we have been back a couple times as guests plus I took her to the Masters that year so we were good lol






    Yeah, you’re good, in that you have no actual future with her if you believe the s*** you unfortunately wasted precious time typing.




    This is where reading the whole question before formulating a response is big, because if you go back to the first page of this thread, response twenty (20), you would find that I enjoy playing with my girlfriend of over 15 years. But I also enjoy the way some clubs are run, I say that about Pine Valley, said it about ANGC, and say it about the club I work now. But thank you for your concern about my time and how I spend it, much appreciated!
  • GolfChannelGolfChannel Orlando, FloridaMembers Posts: 1,627 ✭✭
    But are you still on her Instagram?
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  • McgeenoMcgeeno Members Posts: 1,944 ✭✭
    I understand both sides of the coin.



    I enjoy playing golf with my wife. She has really taken to the game and now we go on 2-3 golf trips per year. She takes lessons, works on the range and does her own thing to improve.



    She even shot an 85 this year in her club championship and is playing some good golf and now has a handicap in the teens.



    I am lucky enough to play 4-5 rounds a week and I'll usually play a one or two rounds with her a week and a few with the buddies. She plays 1-2 rounds with her girlfriends.



    Its a good balance.
  • PepperturboPepperturbo Midwest and SouthwestMembers Posts: 15,390 ClubWRX
    BNGL wrote:



    Sounds like another bogus or bias social media survey that targeted certain people. Bet an underlying motive is tied to cost for two players too. Every weekend golf costs me $200-$300.

    I didn't marry till late, so I had plenty of time to enjoy myself, travel and compete in a few amateur sports all while building a company. Thus when I decided to marry, I expected to spend time doing all sorts of activities with my wife, golf being one. Oh, she was a golfer and tennis player before we met. My wife plays to a 12 and a buddies wife to 13, among other women I know. And each of them plays golf in all sorts of conditions and nearly every day on vacation. I don't need permission to play with the guys or go fishing, shooting or hunting, and she doesn't need permission to do what she want's with the girls.



    My last two clubs had a rather large active women's club and more than one couples golf event per month. Yet, I know guys that never want their wife or GF playing golf, as golf is their way of getting away from the woman. Go figure. image/beach.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':beach:' />




    These clubs are called Pine Valley, California GC of San Fransisco, and Butler National. No women members or severely restricted playing privileges. Call me a chauvinistic pig all you want but I rather enjoyed the atmosphere at PV. I was invited by a member and asked if my girlfriend could accompany, he said nope women were not permitted to play except Sunday after 1200 I think (may have changed since then) long story short I went to PV. She was a little annoyed to say the least, but we have been back a couple times as guests plus I took her to the Masters that year so we were good lol




    No offense meant. During my corporate travels, I still encounter men that think they rule the world and want to keep women in place, controlled. Though we do business, I seldom socialize with them as our lives and values are very different.



    Before it was required back in the late 70's, I chose a talented woman as one of my VP's. It was disappointing when I learned some of the guys didn't like my decision. Consequently, they were not around long, and we were better for it. There was a time when a golfing buddy and colleague decided to join an exclusive men (only) business/social club (not golf). Soon after he asked me to consider membership, but after visiting the club and seeing their treatment of women, I politely bowed out and found another comparable business/social club that was more contemporary.

    Honestly, all clubs have the right to their own culture. However, there are a growing number of men like me that won't join any private club that limits other members in any way. image/beach.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':beach:' />
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  • BNGLBNGL Members Posts: 1,557 ✭✭


    But are you still on her Instagram?




    Lol yes actually, although I want her to take down the video of me trying to surf in the Bahamas recently...got up for maybe a second then face planted and you can here her laughing on the beach...first time though so only can go up.
  • BNGLBNGL Members Posts: 1,557 ✭✭
    edited Sep 18, 2018 #73

    BNGL wrote:



    Sounds like another bogus or bias social media survey that targeted certain people. Bet an underlying motive is tied to cost for two players too. Every weekend golf costs me $200-$300.

    I didn't marry till late, so I had plenty of time to enjoy myself, travel and compete in a few amateur sports all while building a company. Thus when I decided to marry, I expected to spend time doing all sorts of activities with my wife, golf being one. Oh, she was a golfer and tennis player before we met. My wife plays to a 12 and a buddies wife to 13, among other women I know. And each of them plays golf in all sorts of conditions and nearly every day on vacation. I don't need permission to play with the guys or go fishing, shooting or hunting, and she doesn't need permission to do what she want's with the girls.



    My last two clubs had a rather large active women's club and more than one couples golf event per month. Yet, I know guys that never want their wife or GF playing golf, as golf is their way of getting away from the woman. Go figure. image/beach.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':beach:' />




    These clubs are called Pine Valley, California GC of San Fransisco, and Butler National. No women members or severely restricted playing privileges. Call me a chauvinistic pig all you want but I rather enjoyed the atmosphere at PV. I was invited by a member and asked if my girlfriend could accompany, he said nope women were not permitted to play except Sunday after 1200 I think (may have changed since then) long story short I went to PV. She was a little annoyed to say the least, but we have been back a couple times as guests plus I took her to the Masters that year so we were good lol




    No offense meant. During my corporate travels, I still encounter men that think they rule the world and want to keep women in place, controlled. Though we do business, I seldom socialize with them as our lives and values are very different.



    Before it was required back in the late 70's, I chose a talented woman as one of my VP's. It was disappointing when I learned some of the guys didn't like my decision. Consequently, they were not around long, and we were better for it. There was a time when a golfing buddy and colleague decided to join an exclusive men (only) business/social club (not golf). Soon after he asked me to consider membership, but after visiting the club and seeing their treatment of women, I politely bowed out and found another comparable business/social club that was more contemporary.

    Honestly, all clubs have the right to their own culture. However, there are a growing number of men like me that won't join any private club that limits other members in any way. image/beach.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':beach:' />




    That is the big phrase there to each their own. Will I take up membership if invited? Probably not, but not because of the no women members part. (Not likely that I am up for membership, but you never know haha).

    Will PV ever invite a woman to join? possibly, a lot members at PV are also members of ANGC. Will a club like Squires admit women? Absolutely not.



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  • chunkYEAGERchunkYEAGER Members Posts: 24
    My wife does not play, but caddies a couple times a year. Mostly riding but sometimes we walk. I usually play better with her around. I’ll admit, I do enjoy and need the time away from her as much as she does. A local course puts on a two day flighted tourney. Good fun with a variety of scores, descent skins pot as well as a two man best ball. My wife gave me the Masters’ experience one year as we walked the tournament. First and only time I’ve walked with a caddy. We had no idea we were being photographed on the range, but got some great pics from that day.
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  • DON SVODON SVO Hacker in progress... Lefty Boomers Posts: 1,060 ✭✭
    Full disclosure before the remainder of my post: I am now happily married and we have a 20 month old daughter that I handle 3-4 days a week and every Saturday, I don't play much these days.



    I had an ex that played golf, which was fun for a while. The reality is that as the relationship went south golf became a stressful situation: I wasn't the happiest person around her, she caused me anxiety, and suddenly golf with her became a panic attack waiting to happen. Time to choose up sides.



    If you don't have a great relationship, golfing with your significant other isn't going to be a great choice (it sure as **** didn't help our relationship any). However, using golf to get away from your significant other is a band-aid for a bigger problem.
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  • FergusonFerguson Executive Member VAMembers Posts: 4,414 ✭✭


    My wife does not play, but caddies a couple times a year. Mostly riding but sometimes we walk. I usually play better with her around. I'll admit, I do enjoy and need the time away from her as much as she does. A local course puts on a two day flighted tourney. Good fun with a variety of scores, descent skins pot as well as a two man best ball. My wife gave me the Masters' experience one year as we walked the tournament. First and only time I've walked with a caddy. We had no idea we were being photographed on the range, but got some great pics from that day.






    Did she ever suggest you try and play right-handed?
  • Hawkeye77Hawkeye77 Countdown to The Masters! ClubWRX Posts: 17,342 ClubWRX
    So your local course is Augusta National? ;-)
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    Hawkeye77 wrote:


    So your local course is Augusta National? ;-)








    It doesn't look like Augusta National?
  • Swisstrader98Swisstrader98 Members Posts: 3,508 ✭✭
    I love my wife and love the fact that she plays but it’s a whole different game when I play with her. I can’t really focus on my game because I’m always helping her (not a bad thing, just different) and she has told me she doesn’t like to play with me because I’m too intense for her when I play. Lol.



    I use golf as both an escape and to hang with my buddies. Anytime I play w the wife I have to say NO to the guys in my group. Fun to do a couple times per season and thankfully she’s not obsessed like I am about her golf.
  • chippa13chippa13 Members Posts: 2,248 ✭✭
    Or just golf with her AND the guys. Unless they are all "too intense" as well and have no idea how to simply enjoy a day on the course.
  • crp709crp709 Members Posts: 46 ✭✭
    My wife has given it a try or two but just never took an interest in the game. She came out a few times to hang out and drive the cart but that didn't last long. I get that it's boring, hot, not many bathrooms...etc. I really wish she would give it a try again so we can spend some time together but she is good with me golfing pretty much anytime. And I'm okay with that.
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  • bigred90gtbigred90gt Lefty Boomers Posts: 4,301 ✭✭
    Skaffa77 wrote:


    Results are interesting...not sure I understand it 100%. My current wife golfs and honestly, I golf "less" since being with her than when I was in a previous marriage. Again, being honest...I basically used golf as an "escape" from my last marriage. In my previous marriage, I practiced a ton and I scored better so my satisfaction with my "golf life style" was extremely high, but I was very unhappy in general and if I had a bad round, my temperament got the best of me.



    I play less golf now because I have a great wife, good friends and many other activities and events that occupy my time. At times, I reminisce about all of the "me time" I used to have on the golf course, but I also realize I was very alone and I believe I'm a much happier person today than when I devoted all of my time to golf (aka...my escape from a bad marriage).




    This is exactly me. My first marriage I practically lived at the golf course. I played 5-6 rounds a week, including 36 every Sunday (got to the course around 6:30 and didn't get home till 10:00ish). Went to the range a couple of times a week as well. I didn't realize at the time that is what it was, but now that I am happily married to wife #2, I understand it. I still love golf, but I love my life at home with my wife far more. My game has suffered immensely, but I am far happier in general. I'm not willing to sacrifice the time with my wife that it would take for me to get back to the level of golf I used to play.
  • FergusonFerguson Executive Member VAMembers Posts: 4,414 ✭✭
    bigred90gt wrote:

    Skaffa77 wrote:


    Results are interesting...not sure I understand it 100%. My current wife golfs and honestly, I golf "less" since being with her than when I was in a previous marriage. Again, being honest...I basically used golf as an "escape" from my last marriage. In my previous marriage, I practiced a ton and I scored better so my satisfaction with my "golf life style" was extremely high, but I was very unhappy in general and if I had a bad round, my temperament got the best of me.



    I play less golf now because I have a great wife, good friends and many other activities and events that occupy my time. At times, I reminisce about all of the "me time" I used to have on the golf course, but I also realize I was very alone and I believe I'm a much happier person today than when I devoted all of my time to golf (aka...my escape from a bad marriage).




    This is exactly me. My first marriage I practically lived at the golf course. I played 5-6 rounds a week, including 36 every Sunday (got to the course around 6:30 and didn't get home till 10:00ish). Went to the range a couple of times a week as well. I didn't realize at the time that is what it was, but now that I am happily married to wife #2, I understand it. I still love golf, but I love my life at home with my wife far more. My game has suffered immensely, but I am far happier in general. I'm not willing to sacrifice the time with my wife that it would take for me to get back to the level of golf I used to play.






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  • bigred90gtbigred90gt Lefty Boomers Posts: 4,301 ✭✭
    Pieter P wrote:




    No, not what you think.

    Good game lined up = game booked with friends and she does not have a spot in the group.

    Some of my mates does not like female company on the golf course, which is fine too. I also like to have a few games in an all male group.

    Variety is the spice of life.




    If I had friends that had a problem with my wife playing a round with us, I'd just stop playing golf with them. I love my friends, but my wife is my best friend, and if they don't want her around, I don't need to be around them.
  • Jack PearsallJack Pearsall Members Posts: 3,289 ✭✭
    edited Sep 20, 2018 #85
    Having played enough singles and doubles tennis with the wife unit....so...no he does not want to play golf with her.

    Of course, this is not publically disseminated information.
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    My wife does not play, but caddies a couple times a year. Mostly riding but sometimes we walk. I usually play better with her around. I’ll admit, I do enjoy and need the time away from her as much as she does. A local course puts on a two day flighted tourney. Good fun with a variety of scores, descent skins pot as well as a two man best ball. My wife gave me the Masters’ experience one year as we walked the tournament. First and only time I’ve walked with a caddy. We had no idea we were being photographed on the range, but got some great pics from that day.




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  • HackerDaveHackerDave Members Posts: 1,401 ✭✭
    The poll results are kind of surprising. From the time we were dating, we decided that golf would be something we could do together. Once we had kids, we also brought them into the game. Our Sunday evenings in the summer were family golf nights and I wouldn't trade that time for anything. Now the kids are better than me and here we are, married 26 years and still playing golf.



    Back in the day, my wife really only wanted to play together. After a few years, she gave the ladies 9 hole league a try and found out she was pretty good. Now she is about to retire and plans on playing in several of the leagues and now even goes on an annual golf trip to HHI with "the girls", who are a remarkably powerful and successful group of women. Have to admit that being a member of a club is very helpful in getting everybody into the game. If we were playing local courses, not so sure she would have gone down the same path.



    The best part is she has absolutely no issue with me taking as many trips with the boys as I want and I can play pretty much whenever I want. Hard to beat that.
  • Skaffa77Skaffa77 No place like the Sand Hills! ClubWRX Posts: 6,841 ClubWRX
    edited Sep 21, 2018 #88
    bigred90gt wrote:

    Pieter P wrote:


    No, not what you think.

    Good game lined up = game booked with friends and she does not have a spot in the group.

    Some of my mates does not like female company on the golf course, which is fine too. I also like to have a few games in an all male group.

    Variety is the spice of life.




    If I had friends that had a problem with my wife playing a round with us, I'd just stop playing golf with them. I love my friends, but my wife is my best friend, and if they don't want her around, I don't need to be around them.




    I have variety of golf buddies (casual weekend hacks to more serious golfers). Typically, if I have weekend golf scheduled with the guys, it's usually planned out with a group of 3 other guys, but it has happened that we have an open spot and my wife has filled in from time to time. Any worries about a female playing golf with us is usually based on past experience or stereotypes that women are slow golfers and can't keep up. Most of those worries are put to rest when my wife out drives the guys (from the front tees) and they realize she can actually play golf.



    Later when she's pushing her clubs down the fairway with a beer in one hand and cigar in the other, the questions of where I found such a wife begin...
  • bigred90gtbigred90gt Lefty Boomers Posts: 4,301 ✭✭
    edited Sep 21, 2018 #89
    Skaffa77 wrote:

    bigred90gt wrote:

    Pieter P wrote:


    No, not what you think.

    Good game lined up = game booked with friends and she does not have a spot in the group.

    Some of my mates does not like female company on the golf course, which is fine too. I also like to have a few games in an all male group.

    Variety is the spice of life.




    If I had friends that had a problem with my wife playing a round with us, I'd just stop playing golf with them. I love my friends, but my wife is my best friend, and if they don't want her around, I don't need to be around them.




    I have variety of golf buddies (casual weekend hacks to more serious golfers). Typically, if I have weekend golf scheduled with the guys, it's usually planned out with a group of 3 other guys, but it has happened that we have an open spot and my wife has filled in from time to time. Any worries about a female playing golf with us is usually based on past experience or stereotypes that women are slow golfers and can't keep up. Most of those worries are put to rest when my wife out drives the guys (from the front tees) and they realize she can actually play golf.



    Later when she's pushing her clubs down the fairway with a beer in one hand and cigar in the other, the questions of where I found such a wife begin...




    My regular golf buddies and I range from 7-10 handicap. My wife is absolutely terrible at golf. If I counted every stroke and penalty she took, I’m willing to bet she would struggle to break 130. We played Wednesday afternoon, just the two of us, and finished in 3.5 hours, which included us waiting on every shot after 11 green when we caught the 3some in front of us who wouldn’t let us through. I actually had to holler at them on 16 to hit the ball because they were all just standing in the fairway looking around.



    I don’t care how bad she sucks at golf, if she wants to play a round with me and my friends have a problem with that, I’ll choose her any day. Matter of fact, I haven’t played a round of golf without her since she started playing a couple of months ago, and would be perfectly happy if she played every round of golf with me from here out.
  • GolfChannelGolfChannel Orlando, FloridaMembers Posts: 1,627 ✭✭
    edited Sep 21, 2018 #90
    bigred90gt wrote:
    Pieter P wrote:




    No, not what you think.

    Good game lined up = game booked with friends and she does not have a spot in the group.

    Some of my mates does not like female company on the golf course, which is fine too. I also like to have a few games in an all male group.

    Variety is the spice of life.




    If I had friends that had a problem with my wife playing a round with us, I'd just stop playing golf with them. I love my friends, but my wife is my best friend, and if they don't want her around, I don't need to be around them.




    My thoughts exactly.



    What helps is my 4 year old daughter loves golf because I got a simple backyard setup so she can just do what she wants in terms of wailing at a driver.



    Now we play 9 every Friday. My wife joins us once a month.



    Driver: He who shall not be named...
    3 Wood: Callaway Rogue w/Project X Blue Evenflow 75
    5 Wood: Callaway Rogue w/Project X Blue Evenflow 75
    Irons: Ping iBlade Nippon AWT 2.0 Stiff
    Wedges: Callaway MD3 50, 54, and Honma TW737 Forged 62
    Putter: Original Odyssey White Hot XG No. 7
    Ball: Srixon Z-Star 2018 (Yellow)
  • FourTopsFourTops Banned Posts: 1,676 ✭✭
    Just bought my wife a new set of Cleveland Launcher HB irons with Senior shafts...she's too strong and tall to play ladies shafts. Weird part is I hit them too at PGASS and I'm hesitant to say they were pretty GD good!



    She's gonna be mad when suddenly she can't find them in her bag.
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