Anonymous Pro Survey: What the pros REALLY think

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edited Sep 14, 2018 in Tour Talk #1
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What’s really on the minds of the best golfers in the world? In the polite confines of the PGA Tour, it’s often hard to know. Until now. With the goal of letting players let it fly, we granted them anonymity and picked their brains on a wide range of hot-button topics (cheating on Tour! Tiger v. Phil! Brandel Chamblee!). Over two days of surveying, at the PGA Championship and the Wyndham Championship, 59 players participated, including four major winners, one 2018 major winner and three of the top-20 players in the world. The result? Sweet, sweet candor.



DO YOU LIKE THE PGA CHAMPIONSHIP’S MOVE TO MAY?

YES: 76%

NO: 10%

NO PREFERENCE: 14%

HOT TAKES

“I just want to play in one. I don’t care if it’s January in Alaska.”





ARE YOU CONCERNED THAT TOUR PLAYERS ARE HITTING THE BALL TOO FAR?

YES: 32%

NO: 76%

“I just wish I hit it farther.”

“Equipment has taken a ton of skill away from the game.”

“The problem is that the ball goes too straight.”

“Yes — 300 yards doesn’t cut it anymore.”





TOUR SETUPS ARE GENERALLY…

…TOO SHORT: 0%

…TOO LONG: 7%

…ABOUT RIGHT: 93%

“Tour setups are typically, well, too lame.”

“Fact: No one **** when they’re leading the tournament.”





FROM THIS POINT ON, WHO WILL WIN MORE MAJORS: JORDAN SPIETH OR JUSTIN THOMAS?

JORDAN: 29%

JUSTIN: 68%

UNDECIDED: 3%

“Jordan is chasing history. He simply wants it more.”

“Justin’s got a chip on his shoulder. He doesn’t want to be known as ‘Jordan’s little buddy’ anymore.”

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Jordan Spieth and Justin Thomas have combined for four major titles.





HAS HAVING A SLOW-PLAYING PARTNER EVER HURT YOUR ON-COURSE PERFORMANCE?

YES: 78%

NO: 22%

“A bunch of millionaires aren’t going to speed up by fining them 10K.”





DO YOU FEEL YOUR OWN PACE OF PLAY IS ACCEPTABLE?

YES: 100%

NO: 0%





HAVE YOU EVER PLAYED A TOURNAMENT ROUND HUNGOVER?

YES: 46%

NO: 54%

“I shot 61 hungover.”

“I was 8-under through 13 one time, and then made a mess of it.”

“I made the weekend on the number, shot 60 on Saturday with a hangover and won the tournament.”

“The entire 2014 season.”

“I did on the Champions Tour. Does that count?”





HAVE YOU EVER WITNESSED A FELLOW TOUR PLAYER CHEAT DURING A TOURNAMENT ROUND?

YES: 44%

NO: 56%

“Multiple times. The Tour is a joke when it comes to enforcing the rules.”

“I’ve seen guys bend the rules and mark their ball improperly.”





HAVE YOU EVER BROKEN A RULE AND NOT REPORTED IT?

YES: 0%

NO: 100%





HAS UNRULY FAN BEHAVIOR EVER COST YOU A SHOT?

YES: 53%

NO: 47%

“Every. Single. Week.”

“Not enough people are ever watching me.”

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HAVE YOU EVER PURPOSELY TANKED TO ENSURE YOU MISSED A CUT?

YES: 3%

NO: 97%

“I had better things to do than finish dead last.”







DO YOU RESPECT BRANDEL CHAMBLEE’S OPINIONS?

YES: 64%

NO: 27%

DON’T KNOW/NO COMMENT: 9%



"Say what you want, but the guy does his homework.”

“I played with him and he wasn’t that good.”

“The Tiger bashing gets old and ruins a bit of his credibility.”

“Every panel of talking heads needs a jackass.”

“He can’t possibly believe all of the stuff he’s saying.”

“I’ve blocked him on social media because I don’t even want to know what comes out of his mouth.”

“He missed his calling. Should have been a doctor — he might have cured a few diseases.”





WILL TIGER WIN ANOTHER TOUR EVENT?

YES: 98%

NO: 2%

“F— yeah!”





ANOTHER MAJOR?

YES: 90%

NO: 10%

“A year ago: no way. Now: no doubt.”





TIGER VS. PHIL MONEY MATCH: WHO’S YOUR MONEY ON?

TIGER: 76%

PHIL: 14%

NO COMMENT: 10%

“Who cares? Maybe I would’ve 15 years ago.”

“Vegas…going with Tiger.”





HAVE YOU EVER WAGERED $1,000 OR MORE IN A PRACTICE-ROUND MONEY MATCH?

YES: 37%

NO: 61%

NO COMMENT: 2%

“My wife would kill me!”

“I’ve never bet more than $20. Honestly.”





DO YOU WORRY THAT LEGALIZED SPORTS GAMBLING COULD CORRUPT THE PRO GAME?

YES: 19%

NO: 81%

“It has in every other professional sport, so why would golf be any different?”





HAVE YOU EVER PAID A TOUR FINE?

YES: 36%

NO: 64%

“It wasn’t my fault.”

“No, but I’ve talked my way out of paying one.”





DO YOU OWN A GUN?

YES: 49%

NO: 51%

“What golfer doesn’t own one?”

“If a war breaks out, you want to be at my place.”

“Just these.” [rolls up his sleeves and flexes]





SHOULD PHIL HAVE BEEN DQ’D AT SHINNECOCK?

YES: 44%

NO: 54%

NO COMMENT: 2%

“He acted like an idiot. If it were me, I’d be out.”

“He should’ve been praised.”

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Phil Mickelson was the talk of Shinnecock Hills, and not for the right reasons.





SHOULD THERE BE TWO SETS OF EQUIPMENT REGS: ONE FOR PROS, ANOTHER FOR EVERYONE ELSE?

YES: 39%

NO: 61%

“It would ruin the golf industry.”





HAVE YOU EVER SIGNED AN EQUIPMENT DEAL KNOWING THAT YOU WERE DOWNGRADING TO INFERIOR CLUBS?

YES: 5%

NO: 95%

“Not at the time. I discovered it later.”

“Yes, the money was too **** good.”





WOULD YOU TAKE ONE MAJOR OR 10 TOUR WINS?

ONE MAJOR: 36%

10 TOUR WINS: 64%

“Depends if it’s 10 Puerto Rico Opens.”

“I’ll take history over padding my bank account.”

“Would you rather win $10+ million or $1.85 million in the lottery? All about the cash.”

“Which major?”





WHO HAS THE MOST NATURAL TALENT?

DUSTIN JOHNSON: 40%

BUBBA WATSON: 14%

TIGER WOODS: 12%

RORY MCILROY: 12%

JUSTIN THOMAS: 4%

ANTHONY KIM: 4%

NO CHOICE/OTHER: 14%

“Dustin is a freak of nature.”





WHO IS THE BEST PURE BALLSTRIKER ON TOUR?

HENRIK STENSON: 14%

TIGER WOODS: 9%

SERGIO GARCIA: 9%

DUSTIN JOHNSON: 8%

JUSTIN ROSE: 7%

BOO WEEKLEY: 5%

RORY MCILROY: 4%

JUSTIN THOMAS: 4%

OTHER: 40%

“Even when Henrik Stenson shanks it, it’s flush.”
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  • straightshot7straightshot7 Members Posts: 2,925 ✭✭
    Thanks for posting. Pretty boring overall but who's the guy who said "“I made the weekend on the number, shot 60 on Saturday with a hangover and won the tournament.”. Should be possible to figure out.
  • MaximilianMaximilian Members Posts: 1,349 ✭✭
    I think it's interesting that most of them have had a problem with a slow player and half of them have witnessed someone cheating, but none of them believe they play slow or have ever cheated themselves. image/rolleyes.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':rolleyes:' />
  • MaximilianMaximilian Members Posts: 1,349 ✭✭


    Thanks for posting. Pretty boring overall but who's the guy who said "“I made the weekend on the number, shot 60 on Saturday with a hangover and won the tournament.”. Should be possible to figure out.


    I remember this, but can't remember who it was. Fairly sure it was a European player. I know Eddie Pepperell was hungover during the Open this year, but it's not him I'm thinking of. I remember whoever it was saying he thought he wasn't going to make the cut, so he started drinking in the clubhouse after his round on Friday and had already had quite a few beers before he realised that he actually did make the cut.
  • Pleasedwith3puttsPleasedwith3putts Members Posts: 1,713 ✭✭
    [background=transparent]“Even when Henrik Stenson shanks it, it’s flush.” [/background]




    [background=transparent]I love this quote[/background]
  • MattyO1984MattyO1984 Members Posts: 4,747 ✭✭
    Always interesting to see what the guys have to say.



    The two things that I take most from is the Tour guys, quite significantly picking Thomas over Spieth when it comes to major wins.



    The other is that 56% of them have witnessed guys cheating but not one of them has failed to report an infraction from themselves. I have a hard time finding correlation between those two sets of figures.
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  • GolfjackGolfjack All about the rotation Members Posts: 956 ✭✭
    This is good stuff and great questions. I'd take 10 wins for sure. You could win one major and fall off the tour. Like a YE Yang.
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  • Dave230Dave230 Members Posts: 3,748 ✭✭
    The players rightly take the 10 tour wins, shows there's more than simply winning a major.
  • puttfordouxputtfordoux Members Posts: 360 ✭✭
    Do you own a gun? Just these...probably Brooks Koepka (lol).
  • FergusonFerguson Executive Member VAMembers Posts: 4,464 ✭✭
    They forgot to add a few questions.
  • suprfli6suprfli6 Members Posts: 459 ✭✭
    Some good quotes there.



    90% believe Tiger will win another major, that’s higher than I expected.
  • Cincy_KenCincy_Ken Members Posts: 66 ✭✭
    Dave230 wrote:


    The players rightly take the 10 tour wins, shows there's more than simply winning a major.




    Honestly I think that's a no brainer. You get 10 wins you're a respected golfer who's pretty well know in the game. Steve Stricker has 12 wins and was able to captain the President's Cup. The list of obscure golfers with one major is endless.
  • OldTomMorrisOldTomMorris Members Posts: 2,084 ClubWRX
    edited Sep 14, 2018 #13
    suprfli6 wrote:


    Some good quotes there.



    90% believe Tiger will win another major, that's higher than I expected.




    It tells me that the players, like the general public, get caught up in the hype. That figures way too high given he hasn't won a major for 10 years and is winless in 5 years.
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  • OldTomMorrisOldTomMorris Members Posts: 2,084 ClubWRX
    Very interesting that despite the constant criticism he receives, most of it personal or lacking any critical analysis, Brandel Chamblee is highly respected.
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  • youdamantigeryoudamantiger Members Posts: 397 ✭✭

    suprfli6 wrote:


    Some good quotes there.



    90% believe Tiger will win another major, that's higher than I expected.




    It tells me that the players, like the general public, get caught up in the hype. That figures way too high given he hasn't won a major for 10 years and is winless in 5 years.




    Hype is absolutely the correct term. After all, the last golfer to win multiple majors after turning 43 was you Tom.
  • bladehunterbladehunter Today was a good day.... Members Posts: 25,107 ✭✭
    ARE YOU CONCERNED THE BALL IS GOING TOO FAR?



    YES: 32%

    NO: 76%

    “I just wish I hit it farther.”

    Equipment has taken a ton of skill away from the game.”

    “The problem is that the ball goes too straight.”

    “Yes — 300 yards doesn’t cut it anymore.”









    i find the bolded above to a be about the right ratio of pure ball strikers to "others" .... not shocked to see that some agree that even at that level some see that equipment has bridged the gap from the journey man to the high skilled player ( relative to each other of course as even the journeyman is skilled ) ...
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  • playar32playar32 Members Posts: 272 ✭✭
    Cincy_Ken wrote:

    Dave230 wrote:


    The players rightly take the 10 tour wins, shows there's more than simply winning a major.




    Honestly I think that's a no brainer. You get 10 wins you're a respected golfer who's pretty well know in the game. Steve Stricker has 12 wins and was able to captain the President's Cup. The list of obscure golfers with one major is endless.




    It all depends how its set up, right.



    10 wins, or 1 major, and that's it?



    When you win a major, your price goes up for events/outings, but it does fade. For example, if you could play in an outing, would you rather play with Furyk (1 major), Stricker (0 majors as stated), Fowler (0 majors) or Martin Kaymer (2 majors, 1 Players). I know Furyk/Stricker have more wins on tour, but players get endorsements based on who they are. That could get more money.
  • bladehunterbladehunter Today was a good day.... Members Posts: 25,107 ✭✭


    suprfli6 wrote:


    Some good quotes there.



    90% believe Tiger will win another major, that's higher than I expected.




    It tells me that the players, like the general public, get caught up in the hype. That figures way too high given he hasn't won a major for 10 years and is winless in 5 years.




    Hype is absolutely the correct term. After all, the last golfer to win multiple majors after turning 43 was you Tom.








    yea ...what could those insiders possibly know about it ? Thats like calling a restaurant reviewers report on a place "hype".... what could he/she possibly know about it ..they only taste food for a living and report on it .... smh
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  • playar32playar32 Members Posts: 272 ✭✭
    MattyO1984 wrote:


    Always interesting to see what the guys have to say.



    The two things that I take most from is the Tour guys, quite significantly picking Thomas over Spieth when it comes to major wins.



    The other is that 56% of them have witnessed guys cheating but not one of them has failed to report an infraction from themselves. I have a hard time finding correlation between those two sets of figures.




    On Speith/Thomas, I don't want to take anything away from guys (bc you can do that with every player) and I don't want to downgrade any player. If you look at Speith, it's not that hard to see him with one major (Dustin doesn't 3 putt and he doesn't get that drop at the British). Again, you can say that about any player, and I know Thomas hasn't won the majors.
  • legitimategolflegitimategolf Fighting! Members Posts: 4,557 ✭✭
    Almost certain the hungover champion was Carl Petterson RBC Canadian 2010.
  • fawleyfawley Members Posts: 351 ✭✭


    ARE YOU CONCERNED THE BALL IS GOING TOO FAR?



    YES: 32%

    NO: 76%

    “I just wish I hit it farther.”

    Equipment has taken a ton of skill away from the game.”

    “The problem is that the [url=&quot;http://i.viglink.com/?key=f563715e3c9dbb67137259dea3ad1a9a&amp;amp;insertId=ddb68fd95b740ca8&amp;amp;type=CD&amp;amp;exp=-100:CILITE:8&amp;amp;libId=jm1ys23l0100jaw0000DAn06i5645&amp;amp;loc=http://www.golfwrx.com/forums/topic/1693206-anonymous-pro-survey-what-the-pros-really-think/&amp;amp;v=1&amp;amp;iid=ddb68fd95b740ca8&amp;amp;out=https://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=ball&amp;amp;reaf=true&amp;amp;ref=http://www.golfwrx.com/forums/forum/5-tour-talk/&amp;amp;title=Anonymous Pro Survey: What the pros REALLY think - Tour Talk - GolfWRX&amp;amp;txt=<span>ball</span>&amp;quot;]ball[/url] goes too straight.”

    “Yes — 300 yards doesn’t cut it anymore.”









    i find the bolded above to a be about the right ratio of pure ball strikers to "others" .... not shocked to see that some agree that even at that level some see that equipment has bridged the gap from the journey man to the high skilled player ( relative to each other of course as even the journeyman is skilled ) ...




    Not only is the ball going further, but the questions are too. Responses this year totaled 108%, up from only 100% last year. We need to roll back these questions before it’s too late!
  • the bishopthe bishop Members Posts: 3,199 ✭✭
    WHO HAS THE MOST NATURAL TALENT?

    ANTHONY KIM: 4%



    lolwut?!
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  • HitEmTrueHitEmTrue North TexasMembers Posts: 6,311 ✭✭
    MattyO1984 wrote:


    Always interesting to see what the guys have to say.



    The two things that I take most from is the Tour guys, quite significantly picking Thomas over Spieth when it comes to major wins.



    The other is that 56% of them have witnessed guys cheating but not one of them has failed to report an infraction from themselves. I have a hard time finding correlation between those two sets of figures.




    And the guy said he has witnessed multiple rules infractions, and then blames the Tour for not endorsing the rules. HE is supposed to protect the field.

  • me05501me05501 Members Posts: 412
    For what it's worth...posting a link is great, but copying and pasting an entire article here is likely to get the board in trouble at some point. I think it violates copyright.
  • FootWedge16FootWedge16 Members Posts: 251 ✭✭
    This was awesome. Thanks for sharing.
  • mosesgolfmosesgolf Members Posts: 6,833 ✭✭
    Lovin how "300 yards" doesn't cut it anymore. lol
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  • MattyO1984MattyO1984 Members Posts: 4,747 ✭✭
    mosesgolf wrote:


    Lovin how "300 yards" doesn't cut it anymore. lol




    And that's just on WRX.
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  • legitimategolflegitimategolf Fighting! Members Posts: 4,557 ✭✭
    fawley wrote:



    ARE YOU CONCERNED THE BALL IS GOING TOO FAR?



    YES: 32%

    NO: 76%

    "I just wish I hit it farther."

    "Equipment has taken a ton of skill away from the game."

    "The problem is that the ball goes too straight."

    "Yes — 300 yards doesn't cut it anymore."









    i find the bolded above to a be about the right ratio of pure ball strikers to "others" .... not shocked to see that some agree that even at that level some see that equipment has bridged the gap from the journey man to the high skilled player ( relative to each other of course as even the journeyman is skilled ) ...




    Not only is the ball going further, but the questions are too. Responses this year totaled 108%, up from only 100% last year. We need to roll back these questions before it's too late!




    How does any of this so-called data have any credibility after a goof like that? It's a fun article but that is all it really is, fun. Let us not mistake this **** for actual, reliable information.
  • DfwgolfdudeDfwgolfdude Members Posts: 87 ✭✭
    edited Sep 14, 2018 #29
    This is one thing I think could easily be remedied IMHO. Why not have one tournament a year with a limited flight golf ball on a much shorter, tighter course. Everyone receives the same exact ball. Max drive is 275sh. Put the emphasis on shot making and not annihilating the ball 360+ Playing some of the most classic and iconic courses around the country could be fun.



    Also, why not have a tournament where they play with clubs that are older in style? Persimmon driver and 3 wood. Irons wouldn't be all that different I suppose. I like the limited ball tournament idea more...I think




    TOUR SETUPS ARE GENERALLY…

    …TOO SHORT: 0%

    …TOO LONG: 7%

    …ABOUT RIGHT: 93%

    “Tour setups are typically, well, too lame.”

    “Fact: No one **** when they’re leading the tournament
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  • mankumanku Members Posts: 674 ✭✭
    Betting is supposed to reflect the whims of the public (bookies want 50/50 action in general)...TW is a little better than a 2/3 favorite, but per these players it should be at 1/4 or higher. Not sure if it means TW is a good bet or not, but it would seem so?
  • Ole3wiggleOle3wiggle Members Posts: 244 ✭✭
    Golfjack wrote:


    This is good stuff and great questions. I'd take 10 wins for sure. You could win one major and fall off the tour. Like a YE Yang.




    Ya but i still remember YE Yang and probably always will. Couldnt tell you who has 10 tour wins and no majors. The only thing that makes it somewhat close is the financial implications of winning 10 tour events.. but for me its Majors > Money
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