ZStar or AVX

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  • playaplaya Members Posts: 8,721 ✭✭
    edited Oct 3, 2018 #32
    nsxguy wrote:

    playa wrote:

    ashortgame wrote:


    AVX is low flight, lower flight than Pro V1 and Pro V1x while the Z star is considerably higher ball flight. the Z star has a very similar trajectory to a Pro V1x but the feel is similar to a Pro V1.


    No offense, but does anyone really believe that balls have any effect on flight?

    There is nobody on this planet (with the possible exception of the great ball strikers like Tiger) who could hit an AVX and a Z Star with the same club and notice one iota of difference in flight. Seriously!




    No offense but are you seriously suggesting that all the aerodynamic research ball manufacturers have done over (especially) the last 20 years has produced balls where cover, layers and dimple patterns make absolutely NO difference ?



    Seriously ?



    Now, if your argument is that the difference is so small, that given every swing and every launch condition is slightly to quite a bit different, that nobody can tell,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, well,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, I'd still disagree,,,,,,,,,,, but is IS a different argument. image/smile.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':)' />


    My argument is that good golfers control their flight with technique and to a lesser degree clubs, not what type of ball they use. There are definitely differences in spin rates and how balls react on the greens, but choosing a ball to bring your flight down all other things being equal? Give me a break.

  • nsxguynsxguy Just anudder user FloridaMembers Posts: 5,593 ✭✭
    playa wrote:

    nsxguy wrote:

    playa wrote:

    ashortgame wrote:


    AVX is low flight, lower flight than Pro V1 and Pro V1x while the Z star is considerably higher ball flight. the Z star has a very similar trajectory to a Pro V1x but the feel is similar to a Pro V1.


    No offense, but does anyone really believe that balls have any effect on flight?

    There is nobody on this planet (with the possible exception of the great ball strikers like Tiger) who could hit an AVX and a Z Star with the same club and notice one iota of difference in flight. Seriously!




    No offense but are you seriously suggesting that all the aerodynamic research ball manufacturers have done over (especially) the last 20 years has produced balls where cover, layers and dimple patterns make absolutely NO difference ?



    Seriously ?



    Now, if your argument is that the difference is so small, that given every swing and every launch condition is slightly to quite a bit different, that nobody can tell,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, well,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, I'd still disagree,,,,,,,,,,, but is IS a different argument. image/smile.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':)' />


    My argument is that good golfers control their flight with technique and to a lesser degree clubs, not what type of ball they use. There are definitely differences in spin rates and how balls react on the greens, but choosing a ball to bring your flight down all other things being equal? Give me a break.




    Then you should be more clear when you MAKE your argument.



    That aside, you are STILL wrong if you believe that dimples and construction have nothing to do with launch and flight.



    Give ALL of us a break.

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  • BeerPerHoleBeerPerHole Members Posts: 1,130 ✭✭
    I really like both balls. Overall, I think the Z Star is a better all-around ball. The AVX is low and long. If I'm playing for money I'm selecting the Z Star...possibly over all other balls, actually.
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  • ShilgyShilgy Members Posts: 11,387 ✭✭
    nsxguy wrote:

    Shilgy wrote:

    nsxguy wrote:

    Shilgy wrote:


    I have played the Srixon zstar xv all year. Buddy of mine switched to the avx and I tried a few. Problem I had was unexpected distances on iron shots, especially 7 iron and shorter. Would get the occasional ball that did not spin enough and flew an extra 15 yards. Very similar to catching a flyer.




    +15 ? From the fairway ?



    I get +5-6 and yes, it does take getting used to - have to adjust your distances on shots. Never had to do that with another ball.



    It's OK thought - I like it !!! I feel SO much stronger. image/biggrin.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':D' />



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    It's not +15 all the time though. That's the problem. Like I said for me it's like catching a flyer. The occasional ball, couple times a round, will get a 12-15 yard jump. On irons that is awful.




    You sure it's just not wind-aided or some such ?



    I've been playing these for about 20 rounds now and I haven't seen anything like that. image/dntknw.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':dntknw:' />
    Yes, I'm sure. But this ball may fit someone else perfectly.
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  • JDaxJDax Members Posts: 84
    The AVX is closer to the Chrome Soft than it is the Z-Star.
  • lazyjc4lazyjc4 Members Posts: 859 ✭✭
    I've played both balls a bit this summer, and both performed really well for me. As advertised, the Srixon had more spin around the green, and the AVX I could tell spun less off of full shots (a very straight ball). Distance was comparable with both. Both feel nice off the putter. I'd have no problems switching the two out, the Srixon for hard, fast courses, and the AVX for softer conditions.
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  • IIvudooIIIIvudooII Members Posts: 245
    playa wrote:
    ashortgame wrote:


    AVX is low flight, lower flight than Pro V1 and Pro V1x while the Z star is considerably higher ball flight. the Z star has a very similar trajectory to a Pro V1x but the feel is similar to a Pro V1.


    No offense, but does anyone really believe that balls have any effect on flight?

    There is nobody on this planet (with the possible exception of the great ball strikers like Tiger) who could hit an AVX and a Z Star with the same club and notice one iota of difference in flight. Seriously!
    really?
  • MahamiltoMahamilto NYCMembers Posts: 1,918 ✭✭
    The AVX spins very well around the greens, but is lower spin off the driver.



    Just look at any of the many tests out there from websites, youtube, or golf digest, and you see that it spins, at worst, 200-300 rpm less on 50 yard pitch than a ProV1.



    Sure, on the hardest greens, on the most difficult PGA style courses, you may want that extra grab, but this ball was made for the kinds of golfers who are ALL OVER THIS FORUM.



    People who can play well, but are by no means pros, and are by no means playing pro courses week in and week out.



    I gain about 7-10 off the tee with the AVX, and I haven't caught a single 15 yard flier. Predictable distances is a strong suit. Its a great ball, and if some people would set their egos aside and not pretend they MUST have every RPM, they may realize what I realized... I shave strokes with this ball.



    Its a bit longer, its a bit straighter. It feels great. It holds its line. It has a very controllable trajectory.



    I still back it up with short irons and wedges. I get PLENTY of bite from any situation where I would get bite. A nice strike at 30 yards with my SM7 SW from the fairway gives me hop and stop.



    Played Bethpage Black this September with the AVX and shot 83 from the tips. Held ever single green I hit... Pretty sure that course would qualify as having fast greens.



    I also hit more fairways with it, and pitched it tight whenever I needed. I've been shooting 77-85 all season with this ball on some really difficult courses (Pound Ridge, Bethpage Black, Bethpage Red, Willow Creek).



    Bottom line is this, the AVX is a fantastic ball that bridges a gap between a distance ball that ruins my short game, and a tour ball that spins so hard it can actually hurt me.



    Its not a ProV1, but most golfers with a HCP above 5 don't actually need a ProV1. Go try it. Unless you already hit the ball too low with too little spin, you will probably love it... and you won't miss those 300RPMs around the green... like me, you probably aren't good enough to notice.
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  • elwhippyelwhippy Members Posts: 3,114 ✭✭
    I will still take a Z-star over the AVX. Z-star is a tour ball. AVX, afaik, is not. It jumps off irons and flies way too flat for a lot of players. Good ball, but not worth the Titleist premium price.
  • monks66monks66 Members Posts: 589 ✭✭
    edited Dec 12, 2018 #41
    All i can say is, I am midhandi golfer, and I have always wanted to play one ball, but never found a ball that I liked THAT much to play exclusively...well...............AVX is the one....straight off long irons, holds the greens for as much as a midhandi can, and love the feel off the putter.....and I get 5A Mints on ebay...soo not paying premium prices to boot...
  • MahamiltoMahamilto NYCMembers Posts: 1,918 ✭✭
    That’s kinda my point. Saying “it’s not a tour ball” isn’t justification to knock it.



    Most people don’t need a tour ball, but a ton of people need a “near tour ball”.



    This really fits the bill for that player.



    High speed and athletic. Overspins and hits it too high.



    Plays well enough to score and can use the greenside spin to score.



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  • rjp217rjp217 Members Posts: 243 ✭✭
    argee1977 wrote:


    AVX and the AD333 Tour (or Q Star in the US i believe) is more comparable, Z Star is a Pro V1 style ball. The AVX is still lower than anything else out there i've seen, definitely a ball for winter, where you lose any need for more spin around the greens. If you count on spin around the greens or have speedy greens then the AVX is probably not worth it.




    The last part is key here, you will not be getting as much spin on the greens with the AVX. With that said i love the ball and would play it ever so slightly ahead of the Z.
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  • monks66monks66 Members Posts: 589 ✭✭
    and as much as there are mixed thoughts about Titleist in general, I know there is quality in the AVX because it feels the same everytime I strike it...this cant be said about other balls..
  • JClarkGolfJClarkGolf Members Posts: 69 ✭✭
    AVX is my favorite ball of all time. But if you already have a lower ball flight, stick with the Srixon.
  • JRL2JRL2 Members Posts: 31 ✭✭
    I have played both, but prefer the AVX for my game. The other day, a 70 year old man (former PGA pro) beat me playing a Noodle. My point is that you have to play the ball that works for your current game, and the bottom line is use what produces lower scores. This man knew his game and that is what worked for him at 70.
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  • lawsonmanlawsonman Members Posts: 5,242 ✭✭
    playa wrote:

    nsxguy wrote:

    playa wrote:

    ashortgame wrote:


    AVX is low flight, lower flight than Pro V1 and Pro V1x while the Z star is considerably higher ball flight. the Z star has a very similar trajectory to a Pro V1x but the feel is similar to a Pro V1.


    No offense, but does anyone really believe that balls have any effect on flight?

    There is nobody on this planet (with the possible exception of the great ball strikers like Tiger) who could hit an AVX and a Z Star with the same club and notice one iota of difference in flight. Seriously!




    No offense but are you seriously suggesting that all the aerodynamic research ball manufacturers have done over (especially) the last 20 years has produced balls where cover, layers and dimple patterns make absolutely NO difference ?



    Seriously ?



    Now, if your argument is that the difference is so small, that given every swing and every launch condition is slightly to quite a bit different, that nobody can tell,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, well,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, I'd still disagree,,,,,,,,,,, but is IS a different argument. image/smile.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':)' />


    My argument is that good golfers control their flight with technique and to a lesser degree clubs, not what type of ball they use. There are definitely differences in spin rates and how balls react on the greens, but choosing a ball to bring your flight down all other things being equal? Give me a break.




    Works for me.
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  • PlatoonPlatoon Members Posts: 172 ✭✭
    I’ve played both this year and AVX is the clear cut winner for me. Not even close...
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  • Tylerjames80112Tylerjames80112 Members Posts: 36 ✭✭
    I'm going to have to give these AVX a legit shot to help reduce ball flight
  • MahamiltoMahamilto NYCMembers Posts: 1,918 ✭✭
    They are definitely lower than v1x, tp5x, Zstar and ZSXV, Qstar Tour, Project A



    I hit the v1 and regular TP5 a tad higher than the avx.



    I’m mid ball flight on driver. This doesn’t hurt me, but ideal launch would be a tad higher.



    I hit my irons and wedges into space... the avx outright helps me got more greens and is a godsend in the wind.

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  • I_HATE_SNOWI_HATE_SNOW Members Posts: 3,272 ✭✭
    Any tour guys play the AVX?
  • MahamiltoMahamilto NYCMembers Posts: 1,918 ✭✭
    edited Dec 17, 2018 #52
    I don’t think so, but the point is almost everyone here ISNT a tour player...
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  • gatorMDgatorMD Hacker-in-Chief ClubWRX Posts: 4,564 ClubWRX


    Any tour guys play the AVX?




    my understanding is tour players wanting a lower spin pro v1 play a tour only proto ProV1 that offers similar lower spin like the avx provides.
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  • grantm1120grantm1120 Members Posts: 25
    sos7 wrote:


    Avx is great for high launch high spin players as it does a good job of tempering the balloon shot




    This couldn’t be closer to the truth. Spot on.
  • grantm1120grantm1120 Members Posts: 25
    JRL2 wrote:


    I have played both, but prefer the AVX for my game. The other day, a 70 year old man (former PGA pro) beat me playing a Noodle. My point is that you have to play the ball that works for your current game, and the bottom line is use what produces lower scores. This man knew his game and that is what worked for him at 70.



    Also very true. Great points. Coming from men that obviously know the game.
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