What does a pro golfer owe the media?

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This morning on Golf Channel's Morning Drive, there was a somewhat heated debate between two of the co-hosts, Damon Hack and Charlie Rymer, centered around a Phil Mickleson presser at the Safeway, and what it should contain. Hack, from the media side, feels he is owed an explanation by Mickelson about the Ryder Cup, while Rymer, from the players' side, feels anything Phil would say besides an explanation of his birdies and bogeys would be a bonus.



So what do you think? Is Hack right, is Rymer right, or somewhere in between?
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  • OldTomMorrisOldTomMorris Members Posts: 2,084 ClubWRX
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    Given Phil spearheaded the task force (some say that was a factor in him being a lock pick this year when his form was trash) I think some comment would be good.



    The cynics would say every player saying something like "we got out played and hats off to the opposition" is a way to try and kill the story so it goes away.



    As someone said that reason works once or twice but every Cup since '93 there has to be underlying reasons, many people would be interested to hear an attempted explanation from someone like Phil.



    Not sure if anyone is owed a comment though.
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    They already had a press conference post Ryder Cup Loss. Move on. We got beat. We got outplayed. Maybe there were a couple of errors in judgement. Move on it is a golf exhibition. I like to see good golf and sportsmanship and a US victory, but that didn't happen. I am no worse off today.



    So, I don't think Phil owes us anything. He tried his best it didn't work out. What more do you want. He is not going to air dirty laundry why would he. I'm with Charlie
  • MarkFromTheUKMarkFromTheUK Members Posts: 4,639 ✭✭
    Given how anything said that isn’t mindnumbingly mundane is reported everywhere and spun depending on various agendas, there’s little surprise the vast majority give the most boring, monotonous answers ever. You can either be a “well golly gosh, everything’s great” a la Kucher, and be left alone. Or you can give your actual opinion on something, like Rory, and it will be news for two weeks.
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  • cwglumcwglum Members Posts: 1,554 ✭✭
    I saw the exchange, how many different ways does Damon Hack want to hear it described? He kept going on an on about needing more, Rymer shut it down.
  • the bishopthe bishop Members Posts: 3,199 ✭✭
    My own observations of players when they are interviewed is that responses will vary greatly when asked about their own individual games. From mundane, boilerplate answers like Tiger "I'm getting my speed back, which is nice. I'm getting my feels back, which is nice........zzzzzzzzzzz", to those who take the time to give thoughtful answers, Rory, Adam Scott, even Phil. But when the questions center around other things like RC controversies or the like they almost universally steer clear and take the safest route possible out of the question.
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  • bladehunterbladehunter Today was a good day.... Members Posts: 25,114 ✭✭
    I personally don’t think they owe them a single word. But I do love tigers answers most times. Just words strung together to fill space until they get tired of hearing words. Lol
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  • me05501me05501 Members Posts: 412
    PGA pros don't have any responsibility to the press, but a positive relationship with the press likely benefits their sponsors.
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    I personally don’t think they owe them a single word. But I do love tigers answers most times. Just words strung together to fill space until they get tired of hearing words. Lol




    He’s different now though. He’s actually giving real answers. I like listening to him now.



    As for Hack....who cares what he thinks? What a waste of space on a golf show.
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  • GolfChannelGolfChannel Orlando, FloridaMembers Posts: 1,652 ✭✭
    Nothing except what the tour requires of them.



    That said, if they wish to be as successful as possible financially (notice I didn't say on the course, hi Fowler), a ton.



    Depends on what you are after. Even Koepka who apparently doesn't care sure talks about it a whole lot for someone who supposedly doesn't care.
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    Without the media writing stories and creating content for us to enjoy, Golfers don't get a paycheck



    Without Golfers playing, media doesn't get a paycheck



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  • MtlJeffMtlJeff MontrealMembers Posts: 28,209 ✭✭
    me05501 wrote:


    PGA pros don't have any responsibility to the press, but a positive relationship with the press likely benefits their sponsors.




    And in turn, them , of course



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    Phil owes us his pick in the Eagles - Vikings game this weekend. Figure he's got good Vegas inside scoops.
  • Ignatius ReillyIgnatius Reilly Members Posts: 398 ✭✭
    me05501 wrote:


    PGA pros don't have any responsibility to the press, but a positive relationship with the press likely benefits their sponsors.




    ....which ultimately benefits the players.



    With no media and poor sponsors, Tour pros won't get paid very well, so it's in all their interests to play along.
  • FergusonFerguson Executive Member VAMembers Posts: 4,464 ✭✭
    Phil owes us an explanation about his "lackluster play" as a "veteran leader" in the Ryder Cup, the "sudden" removal of Bones from the bag, the "thought process" behind the putting incident at the US OPEN, and his "alleged" dealings with insider trading.



    Other than that, I'm good.
  • MattyO1984MattyO1984 Members Posts: 4,747 ✭✭
    With some players, it's relatively easy. Tiger for example, he doesn't give much away at the best of times. On that basis, I wouldn't ever really expect to get much from him.



    On the other hand Phil is someone who usually gives too much away, without even being pressed too much, so I can see why they might expect a little more from him.
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    They already had a press conference post Ryder Cup Loss. Move on. We got beat. We got outplayed. Maybe there were a couple of errors in judgement. Move on it is a golf exhibition. I like to see good golf and sportsmanship and a US victory, but that didn't happen. I am no worse off today.



    So, I don't think Phil owes us anything. He tried his best it didn't work out. What more do you want. He is not going to air dirty laundry why would he. I'm with Charlie




    Phil airing his dirty laundry in 2014 is exactly how we got here.
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  • Dr. BlockDr. Block Members Posts: 610 ✭✭


    Without the media writing stories and creating content for us to enjoy, Golfers don't get a paycheck



    Without Golfers playing, media doesn't get a paycheck



    If goes both ways. They know what boundaries not cross though sometimes they don't play nice.




    You're describing the press as it used to exist before the advent of social media. Back when sportswriters understood the working relationship they shared with athletes and the integrity inherent to their line of work.



    That is gone now, and it's not only gone in sports, it's gone in practically every single area of media and journalism. Short of trying to chum the waters to spin something purposefully, If I we're an athlete, I wouldn't feel like I owed them a thing, and I would do my best to be a calculated zombie like most of the intelligent ones are.
  • Santiago GolfSantiago Golf I Strive to make you Better Members Posts: 4,976 ✭✭
    Dr. Block wrote:



    Without the media writing stories and creating content for us to enjoy, Golfers don't get a paycheck



    Without Golfers playing, media doesn't get a paycheck



    If goes both ways. They know what boundaries not cross though sometimes they don't play nice.




    You're describing the press as it used to exist before the advent of social media. Back when sportswriters understood the working relationship they shared with athletes and the integrity inherent to their line of work.



    That is gone now, and it's not only gone in sports, it's gone in practically every single area of media and journalism. Short of trying to chum the waters to spin something purposefully, If I we're an athlete, I wouldn't feel like I owed them a thing, and I would do my best to be a calculated zombie like most of the intelligent ones are.




    If i was a pro athlete I would honestly skip all interviews and do my own thing; podcasts and youtube vlogs. I wouldn't let them spin anything
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  • Dr. BlockDr. Block Members Posts: 610 ✭✭

    Dr. Block wrote:



    Without the media writing stories and creating content for us to enjoy, Golfers don't get a paycheck



    Without Golfers playing, media doesn't get a paycheck



    If goes both ways. They know what boundaries not cross though sometimes they don't play nice.




    You're describing the press as it used to exist before the advent of social media. Back when sportswriters understood the working relationship they shared with athletes and the integrity inherent to their line of work.



    That is gone now, and it's not only gone in sports, it's gone in practically every single area of media and journalism. Short of trying to chum the waters to spin something purposefully, If I we're an athlete, I wouldn't feel like I owed them a thing, and I would do my best to be a calculated zombie like most of the intelligent ones are.




    If i was a pro athlete I would honestly skip all interviews and do my own thing; podcasts and youtube vlogs. I wouldn't let them spin anything




    very wise. Create your own narrative. I mean you might as well, that's what the press does now.
  • doublehansdoublehans Members Posts: 641 ✭✭
    Eh, I don’t think it’s about Phil owing a Ryder Cup explanation or not at a Safeway Open press conference. It’s about the Safeway Open. It’s pretty understandable if Phil just wants to support the event he’s at currently.



    It’s an open press conf, if Phil wants to talk about last week, that’s fine, but if he wants to focus on this week, fine too. There’s a valid built in reason to focus on the current event.



  • wcbjrwcbjr Members Posts: 2,780 ✭✭
    The media? Nothing unless a contract stipulates. The fans? A bit.
  • bladehunterbladehunter Today was a good day.... Members Posts: 25,114 ✭✭
    Dr. Block wrote:



    Without the media writing stories and creating content for us to enjoy, Golfers don't get a paycheck



    Without Golfers playing, media doesn't get a paycheck



    If goes both ways. They know what boundaries not cross though sometimes they don't play nice.




    You're describing the press as it used to exist before the advent of social media. Back when sportswriters understood the working relationship they shared with athletes and the integrity inherent to their line of work.



    That is gone now, and it's not only gone in sports, it's gone in practically every single area of media and journalism. Short of trying to chum the waters to spin something purposefully, If I we're an athlete, I wouldn't feel like I owed them a thing, and I would do my best to be a calculated zombie like most of the intelligent ones are.






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  • stevopagolfstevopagolf Members Posts: 1,450 ✭✭
    gators78 wrote:



    They already had a press conference post Ryder Cup Loss. Move on. We got beat. We got outplayed. Maybe there were a couple of errors in judgement. Move on it is a golf exhibition. I like to see good golf and sportsmanship and a US victory, but that didn't happen. I am no worse off today.



    So, I don't think Phil owes us anything. He tried his best it didn't work out. What more do you want. He is not going to air dirty laundry why would he. I'm with Charlie




    Phil airing his dirty laundry in 2014 is exactly how we got here.




    I am giving him credit for learning from that mistake. And if I recall he did it at the press conference not a week later.
  • vanillafunk616vanillafunk616 Members Posts: 551 ✭✭
    Players owe the media professional respect. The media owes players the understanding that they are not entitled to anything outside of play on the golf course, as well as professional respect.
  • rangersgoalierangersgoalie Members Posts: 1,745 ✭✭
    Common courtesy

    Both directions, but that’s a pipe dream.



    I felt like I had a good relationship with many writers, but it was easy, I was a nobody, so I wasnt being bombarded constantly with requests and questions.



    I would always answer questions honestly to the best of my knowledge, and got in trouble a few times.

    I also had things come out that were quoted so incorrectly, it boggled the mind. Fortunately no big issues, but amazingly

    Inaccurate on a few occasions.



    I liked the press I dealt with fwiw
  • new2g0lfnew2g0lf Members Posts: 3,309 ✭✭
    Pro golfers owe the media nothing, not a single word. That said, if they choose not to speak to the media they pass up and opportunity to promote themselves, their Tour and venues.
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  • BrianMcGBrianMcG Members Posts: 2,239 ✭✭
    The news media are becoming less and less relevant with each passing day. As others have said with podcasts and other social media platforms, nobody needs them anymore.
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  • nsxguynsxguy Just anudder user FloridaMembers Posts: 5,336 ✭✭
    At the most basic level, the public is paying the athlete. IMO the athlete owes the public something beyond their performance. The athlete does NOT owe the public everything.



    Exactly where the line is, I don't know. Good luck finding it though.






    I personally don't think they owe them a single word. But I do love tigers answers most times. Just words strung together to fill space until they get tired of hearing words. Lol




    You actually listen ?



    Personally, I HATE athletes being interviewed. With few exceptions (and none that I can think of offhand) I'll watch "It's a Wonderful Life" for the 537th time before I'll listen to an athlete being interviewed in the everlasting hope that they'll have something (different) to say.



    Same thing on sports radio. I hear an interview starting and I just change the station.



    The last putt is sunk or the ballgame is over and I change the channel.



    Nobody's going to "give you" anything (on purpose) unless it's to suit their own agenda and, if that's the case, who wants to hear their agenda anyway ?



    They ALL talk in cliches.



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  • cdnglfcdnglf Members Posts: 3,104 ✭✭
    nsxguy wrote:


    At the most basic level, the public is paying the athlete. IMO the athlete owes the public something beyond their performance. The athlete does NOT owe the public everything.



    Exactly where the line is, I don't know. Good luck finding it though.






    I personally don't think they owe them a single word. But I do love tigers answers most times. Just words strung together to fill space until they get tired of hearing words. Lol




    You actually listen ?



    Personally, I HATE athletes being interviewed. With few exceptions (and none that I can think of offhand)




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  • farmerfarmer Members Posts: 7,785 ✭✭
    For an astoundingly boring interview, listen to Jason Garret after a Cowboy loss. Phil is usually an entertaining interview, as he will go off script from time to time, ie, "I'm such and idiot.". Given that players are contracted to equipment companies, they owe the press an appearance, but should not be expected to comment on topics other than their play during that event. It's not in their best interest to provide clickbait comments in a presser.
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