Out of the box USA Ryder Cup fixes

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  • eagle1997eagle1997 Members Posts: 18,062 ✭✭
    Ferguson wrote:


    If the PGA paid those guys to play and gave a bonus for a win - the USA would hold the cup in perpetuity.




    Exactly this.



    Pay them if they win and they WILL WIN.



    I honestly do believe that they do care btw. A lot. But essentially all incentive is gone once they make the team.
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    swanry30 wrote:


    Screw the BFF system.



    Play "Beane ball" where analytics rule supreme and a captain with the stones large enough to stand up against the mob. The analytics would be in place for picking the team which directly coincides with who is on the EU team and the course that has been chosen for the event. If the venue requires precision off the tee/putting/etc- the analytics will direct the players most suitable. Before the Playoffs start the pool is cut to 20. The team is not chosen until after the Tour Championship. ALL 20 players will travel and attend the Ryder Cup - which will allow the younger guys to be groomed if they barely miss the cut. Analytics would also be used for pairings once the team is set and the event is in full stream. The captain should NOT be actively pursuing his career on tour. If anything the tour should grant said captain exemptions if he so chooses to play competitively again down the road.



    The PGA of America also needs to reevaluate current events and course setup. We keep hearing that some of the older venues are becoming obsolete due to lack property etc to add length...perhaps their eyes have been opened?




    Why on earth would the pga of America choose old courses that put a premium on accuracy? They should playing this thing in Palm Desert if they want any chance of winning again.
  • ryanarnesonryanarneson Members Posts: 116 ✭✭
    Neurotica wrote:


    How about playing more in Europe and have a real sense of growing the game WW?



    Might be handy to play the course before the event (AKA 3-1 JT).



    Putt better.




    If that's case, why bother with Europe. Play more in China.



    Europe doesn't need help growing the game. At least not from the US.
  • PowderedToastManPowderedToastMan Members Posts: 3,802 ✭✭
    During Ryder Cup years, convince the Americans that it’s actually a President’s Cup year.
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  • theboypinoytheboypinoy Members Posts: 2,075 ✭✭


    Some off the wall ideas:



    1. Go with an all amateur team. College kids. US Amateur champion. Mid-Am champion. They're used to playing for things other than money...like American Pride.

    2. Grant temporary US citizenship to Jason Dey, Hideki, and Oosthazen.

    3. Make it so that all American devices, TVs, and anything with a screen show the movie "Roadhouse" on a constant loop. Be nice...until it's time not to be nice.




    The Walker Cup already exists; wish that had more TV time
  • Ping PantherPing Panther Members Posts: 244 ✭✭
    Pretty simple in my mind



    1. Don't select a captain, who before the event, had the most Ryder Cup losses in the history of the Ryder Cup (thankfully Phil and Tiger overtook him...p.s. they should never be captains either)

    2. Select players with passion...players who will get fired up with a big birdie win (sorry DJ, you're out)

    3. Stick with what works, change what doesn't. All time winningiest Ryder Cup duo? I don't care if you want to play with your best bud...team first! Combos that continue to fail...stop putting those players together

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    RickyA12 wrote:


    Go back to being the US vs just England. Problem solved.




    i suggested this on sunday.... It didnt take ..lol
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  • Bingo1976Bingo1976 Members Posts: 2,507 ✭✭

    RickyA12 wrote:


    Go back to being the US vs just England. Problem solved.




    i suggested this on sunday.... It didnt take ..lol




    It never was US vs England.
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  • NaptimeNaptime Members Posts: 609 ✭✭
    Cristie Kerr and Lexi Thompson on the US team.
  • Vardon GripVardon Grip Members Posts: 464 ✭✭
    Since you asked, I’ll tell you how to fix this mess for everyone’s benefit:

    1) You start with building the Ryder Cup course, 9 holes designed by team USA even holes since Euros won and have the honors, this assures course neutrality. I’d say build it in Canada.

    2) You replace the point system with a lottery, elegible Professionals from both sides (any tour) all in a room, a big event, it’s Ryder cup lottery night! You get the 12 selections and an additional 4 alternates that can sub in at any time if a match is going south, in the middle of a hole if needed!

    3) capitanes: paid permanent position for 4 years.



    I could tweak it here and there, I’m sure it’s not “perfect”, but go ahead and run with it.
  • Rob G 89Rob G 89 Members Posts: 847 ✭✭
    Seriously do you guys watch golf? As s previous poster said no American team was going to win on that setup. Only chance America has on those setups is 12 at large picks.
  • OrangeGravyOrangeGravy WAMembers Posts: 1,167 ✭✭
    Ferguson wrote:


    Nothing broken except for the self-absorbed American players.



    If the PGA paid those guys to play and gave a bonus for a win - the USA would hold the cup in perpetuity.




    On this note, this is the only sporting event I can think of where the fans of said event, are more passionate than the players. I completely understand that the players care and would be over joyed to win for the US, but I also think that if it wasn't for the fans and golfing world's scorn, they would happily forego this event. How many of these players would volunteer for the RC if there were no repercussions for saying no?
  • OrangeGravyOrangeGravy WAMembers Posts: 1,167 ✭✭


    If a player has a minimum of 10 career matches, must have a 50% Win rate in order to remain "eligible" for future Cups. Either you perform or you forfeit any future spots on the team if you happen to qualify, also prevent you from being a Captain's pick. Harsh, but results should matter in any biennial team event. Maybe Match Play or team events just aren't for you.



    Never will happen...but Outside the Box




    That's all fine and well, but by this point if you institute something like this, you'd have to go way down on the list to field a team. There's only a couple of US RC players that are still playing that have an even or winning record. They've all been bad. Singling out the bad records is useless. It sounds great, but doesn't do anything
  • OrangeGravyOrangeGravy WAMembers Posts: 1,167 ✭✭
    I vote for not doing anything. If the US players decide the RC is worth the extra effort to compete, then great they'll win their share of the RC's. If not, then great, they'll keep winning 1 out of every 3/4. It's ultimately up to them. No changes or out of the box ideas is gonna make a difference.
  • rangersgoalierangersgoalie Members Posts: 1,769 ✭✭
    Naptime wrote:


    Cristie Kerr and Lexi Thompson on the US team.




    Mark it again Lexi and it’ll go in!
  • rnewm003rnewm003 Members Posts: 85 ✭✭
    Allow the captain to pick his entire team, and allow him to prepare that team through multiple team building and life changing events. The team must be committed to Team USA!
  • longleftlongleft Members Posts: 777
    Captain gets selected by player vote and gets a large contract for 2-year time commitment. Team selected by golf writers association. No automatic ranking, captain picks, etc. None of this world rank stuff matters (as much as we think) when it comes down to 3 days of team exhibition golf.



  • smashdnsmashdn Let's cut them trees down. Members Posts: 1,007 ✭✭
    Neurotica wrote:


    How about playing more in Europe and have a real sense of growing the game WW?



    Might be handy to play the course before the event (AKA 3-1 JT).



    Putt better.




    How about the PGA Tour play on courses other than the typical, vanilla PGA Tour course? Instead of TPC whatever every week they trot them down to Streamsong or #2 (more often) or out to the Sandhills of Nebraska. Every week those guys are playing on perfect grass everywhere, fairway cut within 1/16" of the same height every course, greens always stimp between 12.21 and 12.59 every course they play.
  • playar32playar32 Members Posts: 278 ✭✭
    Rob G 89 wrote:


    Seriously do you guys watch golf? As s previous poster said no American team was going to win on that setup. Only chance America has on those setups is 12 at large picks.




    Agreed.



    Did we, as the US, have 12 guys that could have went over there and competed? If we did, how do we go about picking them?



    Also, it's a point system based on how you play to get on the team. The 12 guys on the team were the best based on that system, and everyone had a fair shot. It's not like Kisner only got half points while DJ got full points.



    My thought is maybe change the points system, make it more current. For example, Bubba had 3 wins early in the year, but since July he's had 1 top ten, and 3 missed cuts. Would Keegan have been a better pick? Is it better to take a guy who won 2 weeks before the event, or a guy who won in June?
  • avragavrag Members Posts: 5,204 ✭✭
    The toughest one, it seems:

    Don't be convinced that you are better.
    I see a gap. There definitely is a gap.
  • new2g0lfnew2g0lf Members Posts: 3,385 ✭✭
    The world of golf has changed, yet we're still expecting the same results from 30+ years ago. Golf outside the USA has caught up with us, in ladies golf it's surpassed us, that's why we don't dominate. Of course better captains, better familiarity with European courses and more effort to win would help us win a few more than we have over the last 25 years but it's surely not a guarantee.



    I heard yesterday the US picks their Ryder Cup courses nearly 18 years in advance where as the Europeans only pick 7 years in advance. This gives them a better advantage to predict who will make the team and select a course that suits their abilities. We are locked in for the 18 years no matter who makes the team.



    The course setup this year favored the Euro team, they had played over 280 rounds combined on that course to our 8 rounds. The fairways were tight, the rough was really rough and it was designed for golfers who could dial it back and play more conservatively. I don't understand why we weren't there as a team at some point this season, at least the captains and co-captains should have scouted the course and made it clear to the team how it should be played.



    I don't know how the pairings are created but use of stats should factor in if they aren't. This idea of just let guys play with their buddies may not maximize the effectiveness of the pairing.
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  • puttfordouxputtfordoux Members Posts: 378 ✭✭
    Hank Haney met with Davis Love before the Ryder Cup at a corporate event and Love told him he and Furyk were gonna go over pairings, this was weeks before the Ryder Cup. Haney thought that was a bad idea. He thought instead they should've waited until the practice rounds and paired up based on form.
  • new2g0lfnew2g0lf Members Posts: 3,385 ✭✭


    Hank Haney met with Davis Love before the Ryder Cup at a corporate event and Love told him he and Furyk were gonna go over pairings, this was weeks before the Ryder Cup. Haney thought that was a bad idea. He thought instead they should've waited until the practice rounds and paired up based on form.




    That makes better sense than letting them pick their partner. If I'm going to be there to compete in front of the world, I want to be paired with the guy that gives me the best chance to win, not my buddy.
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  • seve1972seve1972 Members Posts: 1,049 ✭✭
    new2g0lf wrote:



    Hank Haney met with Davis Love before the Ryder Cup at a corporate event and Love told him he and Furyk were gonna go over pairings, this was weeks before the Ryder Cup. Haney thought that was a bad idea. He thought instead they should've waited until the practice rounds and paired up based on form.




    That makes better sense than letting them pick their partner. If I'm going to be there to compete in front of the world, I want to be paired with the guy that gives me the best chance to win, not my buddy.




    ^^This!......and by the way, why can't the US just accept the other team played much better?!.....everyone wanting answers......JUST PLAY F*CKN BETTER!!!!!
  • puttingmattputtingmatt puttingmatt Summer/ Michigan-- Winter/ FloridaMembers Posts: 5,101 ✭✭
    These Wrxer Armchair Task Force ideas have got to stop,

    The Ryder Cup is over, Learn to Move On.



    Europe Won !!!


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  • playar32playar32 Members Posts: 278 ✭✭
    new2g0lf wrote:



    Hank Haney met with Davis Love before the Ryder Cup at a corporate event and Love told him he and Furyk were gonna go over pairings, this was weeks before the Ryder Cup. Haney thought that was a bad idea. He thought instead they should've waited until the practice rounds and paired up based on form.




    That makes better sense than letting them pick their partner. If I'm going to be there to compete in front of the world, I want to be paired with the guy that gives me the best chance to win, not my buddy.




    That was a horrible decision to go over them early by Furyk and Love.



    I feel that bc Azinger won with the "pod" system, every captain tries to do that now. Might not work everytime (I know they slightly went away from it this cup with Brooks/DJ)
  • mocokidmocokid Members Posts: 1,753 ✭✭

    apex17 wrote:


    Until the US players learn how to not rely on Bomb and Wedge golf, we wont win in Europe, it's that simple. Case in point, look how deep the rough was.




    This. The 2018 Ryder Cup was won the moment Le National was picked as the venue.



    For "home" matches, the U.S. should pick some goat track in Nebraska where you can hit it 3 fairways over and still have a shot at the green. Zero rough. We'd win going away!




    8000-9000 yard goat track, no rough, trees or water>>>>Erin Hills.
  • Roadking2003Roadking2003 AustinMembers Posts: 5,303 ✭✭
    Don't allow anybody to be captain if they have a losing record.



    Don't ever pick a player with a losing record.
  • ctfuzz21ctfuzz21 Members Posts: 754 ✭✭
    I actually feel like a lot of this comes down to fatigue, both physically and mentally.



    You had Bryson win twice in the last month prior to the RC; Tiger win for the 1st time in 5 years. JT trying to repeat as FedEx Cup Champ and DJ & Koepka fighting for PoY.



    Additionally, you take a 6-hour time change and a very quick turnaround from Sunday at East Lake for 11 Americans as compared to just 6 Euros and I think you have a recipe for exactly what we saw; a very flat, deflated and unenthusiastic USA side.



    I think the schedule change will help the Americans, barring the games are kept in shape during the gap from end of the TC to RC. But it really comes down to playing better, which I feel is directly tied to the fatigue the Americans showed in Paris.
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  • smeech8000smeech8000 Ev'ryday I'm Trufflin' Members Posts: 2,419 ✭✭
    edited Oct 8, 2018 #61
    These guys might all be chummy (Reed aside) but that doesn't always translate to team play. You absolutely have to create a practice routine that simulates reality if you want to truly prepare for the event! Get these guys practicing this type of play earlier than the week before the matches; it's no mystery that Foursomes play is a weak link for the US team; here are the splits from the past 5 cups (US/EU):



    2018: 2-6

    2016: 5.5-2.5

    2014: 1-7

    2012: 5-3

    2010: 3.5-4.5



    Total: US 17 - EU 23 (EDIT: for accuracy)



    US typically outplays Europe in Singles, however it's a huge psychological disadvantage going into Sunday with a deficit.



    Also, home field advantage goes well beyond the fans in the stands - Europe completely neutralizes the Americans' length advantage off the tee with their course setups. US captains need to acknowledge this and get guys to dial it in that week or create complementary pairings (i.e. not a pair of bombers) out of their qualifiers if they're not going to use their captains' picks on guys that hit fairways with any regularity (ahem, looking at YOU, Phil and TW).



    Take a look at the PGA Tour 2018 driving accuracy list and you'll see ONE American was inside the top 50 for the season...



    Jim Furyk.



    tldr; practice the format, keep it in the fairway
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