Are you kidding me!! How come few instructors talk about this!!!!

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  • GolfTurkeyGolfTurkey Members Posts: 568 ✭✭
    I just can't imagine what sort of unfortunate circumstances would lead someone to derive pleasure from trolling a golf instruction forum.
  • ebrasmus21ebrasmus21 Serial Shanker CAMembers Posts: 5,319 ✭✭
    GolfTurkey wrote:


    I just can't imagine what sort of unfortunate circumstances would lead someone to derive pleasure from trolling a golf instruction forum.




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  • TMoakley1547TMoakley1547 Members Posts: 99 ✭✭
    GolfTurkey wrote:
    I just can't imagine what sort of unfortunate circumstances would lead someone to derive pleasure from trolling a golf instruction forum.
    Its really a shame too, this has been a good thread with lots of helpful stuff in it. But all the good ones go down into the troll dungeon eventually.
  • GolfjackGolfjack All about the rotation Members Posts: 992 ✭✭


    Listen to better instructors! This is not a knock on Shaun or any of the AMG guys as they're great.




    You kidding? The AMG channel gives you insights no other channels have given. I watch a lot of other channels (probably more than I should) but these guys offer up something different and insightful. They are not so much instructors, since that's actually better left to in person coaches. However, they do help you understand the mechanics of a swing in no way a coach can without some real fancy equipment.
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  • Krt22Krt22 Members Posts: 6,437 ✭✭
    GolfTurkey wrote:


    I just can't imagine what sort of unfortunate circumstances would lead someone to derive pleasure from trolling a golf instruction forum.




    Golf is a life long sickness that impacts everyone differently, some suffer very odd side-effects
  • gamesgames Argue for your limitations and they are yours. WisconsinMembers Posts: 1,704 ✭✭
    ebrasmus21 wrote:

    buckeyefl wrote:


    Krt22 wrote:
    and block list updated!




    Some people have a religious fanaticism about what works for them. Like those people who go door-to-door trying to help others see the light.




    This definitely applies.




    Users have been dropping like flies in this sub. The RBMI guy, wildcat and, do I have this right, now Swingman?




    Funny how they all have variants on the same thing: "If one person improves as a result of my twisted, bizarre, IPA-fueled thoughts on the swing, it will be worth it..."
  • Nard_SNard_S Members Posts: 3,203 ✭✭
    So I worked with this a 3rd time and it was one of the best range sessions in a long time. Good strikes had lots of pop and poorer were better misses so on both counts good stuff.I've been obsessed with rhythm and transition moves and this got me off that cul de sac. Things are starting to take when wedges and Driver pokes do as they should with same approach.



    A bit OT, but Phil M. quipped that to play golf you have to be really really smart or really dumb. That in-between, being too smart by a half is dangerous. I tend to agree but it is but better to walk in the woods then stay in the desert forever and this forum in general has done a lot for me to compile a framework and map to be a lot better at this game. Best golf I ever played, was dumb as a rock about what I was doing right or wrong but I would rather suffer cruel times than walk around blissfully ignorant with a low ceiling potential over my head forever. So I'm thankful for this particular aspect of WRX.
  • Krt22Krt22 Members Posts: 6,437 ✭✭
  • wmblake2000wmblake2000 Members Posts: 5,696 ✭✭
    Nard_S wrote:
    So I worked with this a 3rd time and it was one of the best range sessions in a long time. Good strikes had lots of pop and poorer were better misses so on both counts good stuff.I've been obsessed with rhythm and transition moves and this got me off that cul de sac. Things are starting to take when wedges and Driver pokes do as they should with same approach.



    A bit OT, but Phil M. quipped that to play golf you have to be really really smart or really dumb. That in-between, being too smart by a half is dangerous. I tend to agree but it is but better to walk in the woods then stay in the desert forever and this forum in general has done a lot for me to compile a framework and map to be a lot better at this game. Best golf I ever played, was dumb as a rock about what I was doing right or wrong but I would rather suffer cruel times than walk around blissfully ignorant with a low ceiling potential over my head forever. So I'm thankful for this particular aspect of WRX.




    The one thing that a good teacher does is diagnose core issues so your effort has a sensible direction. I totally agree with the value of what we learn here - but I think it really helps to get some emphasis on what’s most important to work on. At least I know I’m awful at self l-diagnosis, although as my grasp of the core things I believe in get more solid, it helps me make sense of the input better. I think!
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  • Nard_SNard_S Members Posts: 3,203 ✭✭

    Nard_S wrote:
    So I worked with this a 3rd time and it was one of the best range sessions in a long time. Good strikes had lots of pop and poorer were better misses so on both counts good stuff.I've been obsessed with rhythm and transition moves and this got me off that cul de sac. Things are starting to take when wedges and Driver pokes do as they should with same approach.



    A bit OT, but Phil M. quipped that to play golf you have to be really really smart or really dumb. That in-between, being too smart by a half is dangerous. I tend to agree but it is but better to walk in the woods then stay in the desert forever and this forum in general has done a lot for me to compile a framework and map to be a lot better at this game. Best golf I ever played, was dumb as a rock about what I was doing right or wrong but I would rather suffer cruel times than walk around blissfully ignorant with a low ceiling potential over my head forever. So I'm thankful for this particular aspect of WRX.




    The one thing that a good teacher does is diagnose core issues so your effort has a sensible direction. I totally agree with the value of what we learn here - but I think it really helps to get some emphasis on what’s most important to work on. At least I know I’m awful at self l-diagnosis, although as my grasp of the core things I believe in get more solid, it helps me make sense of the input better. I think!




    Yeah, agree. I purposely avoided teaching pro for the reason I want to now a lot more (about my faults and what's desirable) before he sends me off. I'm now at that point when one would tell me something and I can buy in & get the background reason for it. Next money I'm spending with this game is lessons, be it remote video or a well respected local pro, which I know of only one.
  • me05501me05501 Members Posts: 412
    I hit a small bucket of 8 irons yesterday trying to feel Monte’s “zipper away” drill. It’s an interesting feel and one that I obviously haven’t been getting in my swing up til now, which likely means I need the drill



    Doing full practice swings with the zipper away drill, it feels like I’m creating a lot of new space for the club to pass “under” me on a strong inside-to-square path. Does not feel like OTT at all.



    I hit the first 15 balls off the toe. I was on a crowded range and was trying not to [email protected] one into the guy beside me. But the toe balls were still flying high and drawing. Hmm. I finally got closer to the ball. Out of the next fifteen shots I caught a couple completely flush. Oh! Hey there! Smoked them. Nice high tight draw down the target line, 10% farther than usual



    I got cocky and hit a few balls each with a 4 utility and three wood. Those were disastrous. Too soon.



    Liking this drill.
  • me05501me05501 Members Posts: 412
    I went out for a very casual nine holes with my nine-year old son yesterday. I had nothing to lose, so I tried to implement the zipper away drill feel on every swing.



    This is obviously something I've been needing, because it obviously works right away. I hit some really nice shots that felt effortless. In fact, the slower I felt like I was swinging, the better I hit the ball. As a lifelong OTT swing with the arms player, a lower-body powered swing feels effortless to me because I'm just letting my arms happen.



    I hit some balls that started and stayed out to the right, so I'm not quite getting the face closed, but the contact and flight are good so I'm hoping that's as simple as implementing the "motorcycle" move. My pro already had me working on that one anyway.
  • Redjeep83Redjeep83 Members Posts: 5,122 ✭✭
    me05501 wrote:


    I went out for a very casual nine holes with my nine-year old son yesterday. I had nothing to lose, so I tried to implement the zipper away drill feel on every swing.



    This is obviously something I've been needing, because it obviously works right away. I hit some really nice shots that felt effortless. In fact, the slower I felt like I was swinging, the better I hit the ball. As a lifelong OTT swing with the arms player, a lower-body powered swing feels effortless to me because I'm just letting my arms happen.



    I hit some balls that started and stayed out to the right, so I'm not quite getting the face closed, but the contact and flight are good so I'm hoping that's as simple as implementing the "motorcycle" move. My pro already had me working on that one anyway.



    me05501 wrote:


    I hit a small bucket of 8 irons yesterday trying to feel Monte's "zipper away" drill. It's an interesting feel and one that I obviously haven't been getting in my swing up til now, which likely means I need the drill



    Doing full practice swings with the zipper away drill, it feels like I'm creating a lot of new space for the club to pass "under" me on a strong inside-to-square path. Does not feel like OTT at all.



    I hit the first 15 balls off the toe. I was on a crowded range and was trying not to [email protected] one into the guy beside me. But the toe balls were still flying high and drawing. Hmm. I finally got closer to the ball. Out of the next fifteen shots I caught a couple completely flush. Oh! Hey there! Smoked them. Nice high tight draw down the target line, 10% farther than usual



    I got cocky and hit a few balls each with a 4 utility and three wood. Those were disastrous. Too soon.



    Liking this drill.




    You aren't going to feel over the top with a zipper away drill, it is a good fix for over the top issue. You are keeping your body closed longer to swing from the inside, this is a common fix. Leff shoulder down is a bit of a different dynamic than zipper away drill
  • me05501me05501 Members Posts: 412
    Redjeep83 wrote:

    me05501 wrote:


    I went out for a very casual nine holes with my nine-year old son yesterday. I had nothing to lose, so I tried to implement the zipper away drill feel on every swing.



    This is obviously something I've been needing, because it obviously works right away. I hit some really nice shots that felt effortless. In fact, the slower I felt like I was swinging, the better I hit the ball. As a lifelong OTT swing with the arms player, a lower-body powered swing feels effortless to me because I'm just letting my arms happen.



    I hit some balls that started and stayed out to the right, so I'm not quite getting the face closed, but the contact and flight are good so I'm hoping that's as simple as implementing the "motorcycle" move. My pro already had me working on that one anyway.



    me05501 wrote:


    I hit a small bucket of 8 irons yesterday trying to feel Monte's "zipper away" drill. It's an interesting feel and one that I obviously haven't been getting in my swing up til now, which likely means I need the drill



    Doing full practice swings with the zipper away drill, it feels like I'm creating a lot of new space for the club to pass "under" me on a strong inside-to-square path. Does not feel like OTT at all.



    I hit the first 15 balls off the toe. I was on a crowded range and was trying not to [email protected] one into the guy beside me. But the toe balls were still flying high and drawing. Hmm. I finally got closer to the ball. Out of the next fifteen shots I caught a couple completely flush. Oh! Hey there! Smoked them. Nice high tight draw down the target line, 10% farther than usual



    I got cocky and hit a few balls each with a 4 utility and three wood. Those were disastrous. Too soon.



    Liking this drill.




    You aren't going to feel over the top with a zipper away drill, it is a good fix for over the top issue. You are keeping your body closed longer to swing from the inside, this is a common fix. Leff shoulder down is a bit of a different dynamic than zipper away drill




    Got it. I only connected the two after reading through this thread. IIRC Monte recommended the zipper away drill several pages back as a way of feeling (proving?) that the left shoulder definitely separates from the chin and is moving down initially. I may be confusing something from the other thread that is linked on page 2 of this thread.
  • Go_TimeGo_Time _ Members Posts: 2,311 ✭✭
    edited Oct 19, 2018 #226
    Still having trouble coming OTT or across it a bit when working on this, some pulls, pull draws, and pull slice/fades. Anyone working through similar?
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  • LefthookLefthook Golf nerd Members Posts: 3,235 ✭✭
    It could be a mental flaw that leads to a mechanical flaw. A steering impulse.



    Have you tried to delay the release until, like never? To keep the clubhead as wide open and as far behind the hands for as long as possible, and turn recklessly through the ball (and not caring if the ball started towards the right field and turned right)?
  • gamesgames Argue for your limitations and they are yours. WisconsinMembers Posts: 1,704 ✭✭
    Lefthook wrote:


    It could be a mental flaw that leads to a mechanical flaw. A steering impulse.



    Have you tried to delay the release until, like never? To keep the clubhead as wide open and as far behind the hands for as long as possible, and turn recklessly through the ball (and not caring if the ball started towards the right field and turned right)?




    AKA the "no release" release.
  • mocokidmocokid Members Posts: 1,741 ✭✭
    edited Oct 23, 2018 #229
    strange, the back toward the target emphasis reminds me a bit of the Malaska move, just less of the tumble down with the hands. The MM worked for me for a while this summer, but got the [email protected], now I think the left shoulder was coming up at the wrong time.



    I like the Steve Johnston utube video, he simplifies it I think, will try.
  • jbw749jbw749 Members Posts: 1,128 ✭✭
    You guys are trying to get your left shoulder further from your right shoulder at full speed with a golf ball in front of you expecting to hit it with good results?



    I dont care if it works for you, it wont for long. This is why no one is good at golf.

    Full speed major internal body positioning changes are just not going to hold up long. How would you ever get the sequencing down? You'll always be searching.
  • iteachgolfiteachgolf Members Posts: 16,712 ✭✭
    jbw749 wrote:


    You guys are trying to get your left shoulder further from your right shoulder at full speed with a golf ball in front of you expecting to hit it with good results?



    I dont care if it works for you, it wont for long. This is why no one is good at golf.

    Full speed major internal body positioning changes are just not going to hold up long. How would you ever get the sequencing down? You'll always be searching.




    Left shoulder isn’t getting further from right. It’s moving down forward and around. It’s very athletic and natural once learned. I can point you to literally a ton of guys who have not only improved but have had sustained improvement including those making millions of dollars.



    Should probably stop making absolute statements and not tell other people what will and won’t work for them. How do you think anyone gets better and has improved their mechanics?



    You don’t go from

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    To



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    Without massively changing “body positions”

  • Nard_SNard_S Members Posts: 3,203 ✭✭
    jbw749 wrote:


    You guys are trying to get your left shoulder further from your right shoulder at full speed with a golf ball in front of you expecting to hit it with good results?



    I dont care if it works for you, it wont for long. This is why no one is good at golf.

    Full speed major internal body positioning changes are just not going to hold up long. How would you ever get the sequencing down? You'll always be searching.




    This really about restoring a natural movement to the swing. I'm finding that it is nothing more than an external rotation of lead shoulder done at the right time to the right degree and in junction with other body parts. It gets easy to knot up motions when seeking good striking, so restoring what should be instinctual is sometimes necessary.
  • marcwhumarcwhu Members Posts: 65 ✭✭
    iteachgolf wrote:

    jbw749 wrote:


    You guys are trying to get your left shoulder further from your right shoulder at full speed with a golf ball in front of you expecting to hit it with good results?



    I dont care if it works for you, it wont for long. This is why no one is good at golf.

    Full speed major internal body positioning changes are just not going to hold up long. How would you ever get the sequencing down? You'll always be searching.




    Left shoulder isn’t getting further from right. It’s moving down forward and around. It’s very athletic and natural once learned. I can point you to literally a ton of guys who have not only improved but have had sustained improvement including those making millions of dollars.



    Should probably stop making absolute statements and not tell other people what will and won’t work for them. How do you think anyone gets better and has improved their mechanics?



    You don’t go from

    pT4KsTC.jpg



    To



    oKNLCOy.jpg



    Without massively changing “body positions”


    This is one of the crazy coolest things I've ever seen. Can't believe that's the same dude, I've seen Julian hit it in person and he is sooooo pure now. Great work Dan🏆
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    Wait. That's the SAME guy????
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  • Krt22Krt22 Members Posts: 6,437 ✭✭
    It's crazy how little hip turn he used to have
  • jut111jut111 Members Posts: 1,620 ✭✭
    Obee wrote:


    Wait. That's the SAME guy????




    Dan has a crazier one on his instagram. I thought he was kidding until I looked closer.
  • aliikanealiikane Members Posts: 1,603 ✭✭
    I think a lot of instructors teaching the modern golf swing talk about it. However, it is generally referred to as staying in the shot rather than coming out of the shot or maintaining spine angle. Old school golf swings would have that reverse C look to it which isn't as efficient.
  • ObeeObee ClubWRX Posts: 3,711 ClubWRX
    jut111 wrote:

    Obee wrote:


    Wait. That's the SAME guy????




    Dan has a crazier one on his instagram. I thought he was kidding until I looked closer.




    Dan, that is some CRAZY good tutelage right there. :-)
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  • wmblake2000wmblake2000 Members Posts: 5,696 ✭✭
    Dan, how long did that take? Dude in before pics doesn't look like he shaves yet, in after looks like he has a deep beard (and is stronger).



    I think a frame of reference (and this guy is young, will adapt quicker, all things being equal) about how long this kind of change takes might help others set expectations.
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  •  Dave D Dave D Members Posts: 4,002 ✭✭
    edited Oct 26, 2018 #240
    From memory I think Dan mentioned Julian swung like that and played D1 college golf, he's now 27 so that's what 6 years since end of college?



    Of course hopefully Dan will chime in with the exact details and I'm probably totally wrong image/biggrin.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':D' />
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  • glkglk send it in jerome Members Posts: 3,317 ✭✭
    edited Oct 26, 2018 #241
    Dave D wrote:


    From memory I think Dan mentioned Julian swung like that and played D1 college golf, he's now 27 so that's what 6 years since end of college?



    Of course hopefully Dan will chime in with the exact details and I'm probably totally wrong image/biggrin.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':D' />


    end of year 2015 he was ranked 1711, 2016 1137, 2017 63, currently 69. So probably 2-3 years.



    Dan posted this in June and said it's been 1.5 years. https://www.instagram.com/p/Bj4mT8nlvCi/?taken-by=dancarraher
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