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  • NoFancyUsername.NoFancyUsername. Members  534WRX Points: 126Posts: 534 Golden Tee
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    Wow, just wow!<br />
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    Only on WRX would people over engineer what is quite possibly the easiest and one of the most powerful moves in golf...right shoulder down, not around!<br />
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    Try doing it the WRONG way first. On your forward swing, turn your right shoulder around your spine. Don't over think it, don't over do it, just turn your shoulder. Simple. Simple, but not what we want.<br />
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    Now the RIGHT way. Start your forward swing but instead of turning your right shoulder, fire that right shoulder DOWN, not around. Almost like you're driving the tip of your right shoulder into the ground.<br />
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    It's truly that easy. No need to even watch YouTube video on it. Lol<br />
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    Oh dear...No.<br />
    Right shoulder down? You've probably just invented the spine crunch. <br />
    Think about it. At the top, what is the alignment/tilt of your spine?...<br />
    Your right shoulder has to go out.... turns around the spine, keeping all the angles. <br />
    Your shoulder down is EE territory.
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  • jbw749jbw749 Members  1151WRX Points: 125Handicap: 3Posts: 1,151 Platinum Tees
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    iteachgolf wrote:
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    jbw749 wrote:
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    You guys are trying to get your left shoulder further from your right shoulder at full speed with a golf ball in front of you expecting to hit it with good results?<br />
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    I dont care if it works for you, it wont for long. This is why no one is good at golf. <br />
    Full speed major internal body positioning changes are just not going to hold up long. How would you ever get the sequencing down? You'll always be searching.<br />
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    Left shoulder isn’t getting further from right. It’s moving down forward and around. It’s very athletic and natural once learned. I can point you to literally a ton of guys who have not only improved but have had sustained improvement including those making millions of dollars. <br />
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    Should probably stop making absolute statements and not tell other people what will and won’t work for them. How do you think anyone gets better and has improved their mechanics? <br />
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    You don’t go from<br />
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    To<br />
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    Without massively changing “body positions” <br />
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    Please keep in mind, I'm in this just to stir the pot a bit. <br />
    So in the video Shawn says "feel like your left shoulder moves away from your right" <br />
    So I'm just going off what he said. You're explaining it differently. <br />
    It's misleading to say "literally a ton". First that doesnt make sense at all, but it also implies that more people get it than don't. <br />
    My argument is that way more people (the masses) do not get it and will play worse trying to make a major body movement at full speed while expecting a good result. <br />
    People watch video go to range and try to do what he said. May work for a week then it's gone. <br />
    The AMG videos are all like that. They tell you what tour pros do subconsciously and expect you to replicate it consciously while golfing. For general masses this approach doesn't work it never has it never will. For your stable of "tons" of students it may though, but again small group compared to all golfers.<br />
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  • oikos1oikos1 Members  2906WRX Points: 679Posts: 2,906 Titanium Tees
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    jbw749,<br />
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    When are you going to explain in greater detail how one can go from shooting in the 90's to the 70's just through "meta-awareness". You were about to in another thread until the clement mafia blew it up.
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  • iteachgolfiteachgolf Members  17193WRX Points: 1,431Posts: 17,193 Titanium Tees
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    Dan, how long did that take? Dude in before pics doesn't look like he shaves yet, in after looks like he has a deep beard (and is stronger). <br />
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    I think a frame of reference (and this guy is young, will adapt quicker, all things being equal) about how long this kind of change takes might help others set expectations.<br />
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    Before was before we worked together about 6 years ago. The after is actually about 6 month old or so. <br />
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    He was 1142nd in the OWGR when we started working together and got to top 70 in the world in 6 months. He took a month off to make changes when we first got together. Finished 2nd in his first event back. From there had 2 wins, 2 second place finishes and a third. I’d say the impact was basically immediate
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  • wmblake2000wmblake2000 Los AngelesMembers  6026WRX Points: 768Posts: 6,026 Titanium Tees
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    iteachgolf wrote:
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    Dan, how long did that take? Dude in before pics doesn't look like he shaves yet, in after looks like he has a deep beard (and is stronger). <br />
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    I think a frame of reference (and this guy is young, will adapt quicker, all things being equal) about how long this kind of change takes might help others set expectations.<br />
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    Before was before we worked together about 6 years ago. The after is actually about 6 month old or so. <br />
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    He was 1142nd in the OWGR when we started working together and got to top 70 in the world in 6 months. He took a month off to make changes when we first got together. Finished 2nd in his first event back. From there had 2 wins, 2 second place finishes and a third. I&#146;d say the impact was basically immediate
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    Well that blows my point that changes take time up!<br />
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    Someone defined talent as the speed at which instruction can be applied. <br />
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    He’s got it.<br />
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    I don’t.
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  • me05501me05501 Members  418WRX Points: 21Posts: 418 Greens
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    Go_Time wrote:
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    Still having trouble coming OTT or across it a bit when working on this, some pulls, pull draws, and pull slice/fades. Anyone working through similar?<br />
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    I was fighting this too. What was working with the shorter clubs wasn't working as I moved to the longer ones. Turns out I was too steep coming down. That'll work great with an 8 iron but not with a driver. <img src='http://www.golfwrx.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':)' /><br />
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    I had a lesson this week and the pro got me trying to make a more one-piece takeaway with the clubface looking at the ball longer on the way back. This helped me keep the backswing on plane and the club naturally came down shallower and more on-plane.
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  • MillbrookMillbrook Members  1756WRX Points: 136Posts: 1,756 Platinum Tees
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    Is this the same move from Chris Como;<br />
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    [media]http://www.revolutiongolf.com/experts/chris-como/more-distance-and-height[/media]
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  • MillbrookMillbrook Members  1756WRX Points: 136Posts: 1,756 Platinum Tees
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    bumped in the hope of some input.
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  • airjammerairjammer Members  1351WRX Points: 338Handicap: 4.2Posts: 1,351 Platinum Tees
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    Yes same move
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  • Nard_SNard_S Members  3919WRX Points: 875Handicap: 9Posts: 3,919 Titanium Tees
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    I'm finding that the move in some respects is just awakening the left side in transition. It gets easy to be too right sided w/ shoulder's external move and getting trail elbow in front of torso. I expend so much focus on that intent, that firing the left side gets 2nd fiddle. So, an intent where I'm throwing my left arm back at the ball (frisbee throw), coupled with the right elbow "in front pocket" was putting me in a real good position at P6, and I was popping the ball nicely throughout bag. Even long irons were awesome. There's a subtle improvement happening, it's not "it worked once then it's lost to the golf gods" thing. It's becoming more natural and restoring peak pop to swing without crazy dispersion issues or OTT/ stuck issues. Key to avoid those is doing the tandem of left and right, throw the frisbee but get the right elbow more in front of torso in conjunction. It all takes reps.
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  • me05501me05501 Members  418WRX Points: 21Posts: 418 Greens
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    Millbrook wrote:
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    Is this the same move from Chris Como;<br />
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    [media]http://www.revolutiongolf.com/experts/chris-como/more-distance-and-height[/media]<br />
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    This explains the *goal* of the move really well. I'm not sure I could execute it by thinking about how my *shoulder* is moving during the downswing. I really don't want to be trying to hard to control my upper body. Maybe that's just me, trying to break my longstanding habit of swinging with the upper body and not getting the lower body involved. <br />
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    I have the same problem implementing the "motorcycle move" to close the clubface at the top or on the way down. It causes me to activate my upper body more and pull down with my arms, which isn't what I need.
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  • wmblake2000wmblake2000 Los AngelesMembers  6026WRX Points: 768Posts: 6,026 Titanium Tees
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    me05501 wrote:
    Millbrook wrote:
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    Is this the same move from Chris Como;<br />
    <br />
    [media]http://www.revolutiongolf.com/experts/chris-como/more-distance-and-height[/media]<br />
    <br />
    <br />
    <br />
    This explains the *goal* of the move really well. I'm not sure I could execute it by thinking about how my *shoulder* is moving during the downswing. I really don't want to be trying to hard to control my upper body. Maybe that's just me, trying to break my longstanding habit of swinging with the upper body and not getting the lower body involved. <br />
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    I have the same problem implementing the "motorcycle move" to close the clubface at the top or on the way down. It causes me to activate my upper body more and pull down with my arms, which isn't what I need.
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    I think almost every real change I have made involves a period of time where what I intend to do also drags in some extra baggage (eg, your pull down with your arms). It takes me a while to sort out the sensations that isolate the specific move I want from the rest. But after a while, it gets better. <br />
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    Point is: if the new move is worth the effort, don’t let all the initial stuff stop you. But patience is often needed, to be sure!
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  • MillbrookMillbrook Members  1756WRX Points: 136Posts: 1,756 Platinum Tees
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    me05501 wrote:
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    Millbrook wrote:
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    Is this the same move from Chris Como;<br />
    <br />
    [media]http://www.revolutiongolf.com/experts/chris-como/more-distance-and-height[/media]<br />
    <br />
    <br />
    <br />
    This explains the *goal* of the move really well. I'm not sure I could execute it by thinking about how my *shoulder* is moving during the downswing. I really don't want to be trying to hard to control my upper body. Maybe that's just me, trying to break my longstanding habit of swinging with the upper body and not getting the lower body involved.<br />
    <br />
    I have the same problem implementing the "motorcycle move" to close the clubface at the top or on the way down. It causes me to activate my upper body more and pull down with my arms, which isn't what I need.<br />
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    The thing I found helpful was the bit about the shirt buttons staying over the belt buckle so the upper body didn't sway/tilt.<br />
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    I also didn't think about the shoulders but thought of Jim Waldrons concept of the torso turning.<br />
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    Interesting how different folks pick up different bits. We all have to fit advice into our own swings and faults.<br />
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    The thread Albatross85 started 'Light Bulbs Galore .....' is useful for this.
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  • johnrobisonjohnrobison In endless pursuit of P6 The OCMembers  767WRX Points: 115Handicap: 6ishPosts: 767 Golden Tee
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    Millbrook wrote:
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    me05501 wrote:
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    Millbrook wrote:
    <br />
    Is this the same move from Chris Como;<br />
    <br />
    [media]http://www.revolutiongolf.com/experts/chris-como/more-distance-and-height[/media]<br />
    <br />
    <br />
    <br />
    This explains the *goal* of the move really well. I'm not sure I could execute it by thinking about how my *shoulder* is moving during the downswing. I really don't want to be trying to hard to control my upper body. Maybe that's just me, trying to break my longstanding habit of swinging with the upper body and not getting the lower body involved.<br />
    <br />
    I have the same problem implementing the "motorcycle move" to close the clubface at the top or on the way down. It causes me to activate my upper body more and pull down with my arms, which isn't what I need.<br />
    <br />
    <br />
    The thing I found helpful was the bit about the shirt buttons staying over the belt buckle so the upper body didn't sway/tilt.<br />
    <br />
    I also didn't think about the shoulders but thought of Jim Waldrons concept of the torso turning.<br />
    <br />
    Interesting how different folks pick up different bits. We all have to fit advice into our own swings and faults.<br />
    <br />
    The thread Albatross85 started 'Light Bulbs Galore .....' is useful for this.<br />
    I like that feel, too. I'm no shining example of good execution but in this video that Monte posted of me, that's exactly the feel that I had and you can see it happening in my rehearsal move. Even though my conscious focus was on the torso, my pressure trace and sequencing were right where we wanted them to be.
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  • MillbrookMillbrook Members  1756WRX Points: 136Posts: 1,756 Platinum Tees
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    Millbrook wrote:
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    me05501 wrote:
    <br />
    Millbrook wrote:
    <br />
    Is this the same move from Chris Como;<br />
    <br />
    [media]http://www.revolutiongolf.com/experts/chris-como/more-distance-and-height[/media]<br />
    <br />
    <br />
    <br />
    This explains the *goal* of the move really well. I'm not sure I could execute it by thinking about how my *shoulder* is moving during the downswing. I really don't want to be trying to hard to control my upper body. Maybe that's just me, trying to break my longstanding habit of swinging with the upper body and not getting the lower body involved.<br />
    <br />
    I have the same problem implementing the "motorcycle move" to close the clubface at the top or on the way down. It causes me to activate my upper body more and pull down with my arms, which isn't what I need.<br />
    <br />
    <br />
    The thing I found helpful was the bit about the shirt buttons staying over the belt buckle so the upper body didn't sway/tilt.<br />
    <br />
    I also didn't think about the shoulders but thought of Jim Waldrons concept of the torso turning.<br />
    <br />
    Interesting how different folks pick up different bits. We all have to fit advice into our own swings and faults.<br />
    <br />
    The thread Albatross85 started 'Light Bulbs Galore .....' is useful for this.<br />
    I like that feel, too. I'm no shining example of good execution but in this video that Monte posted of me, that's exactly the feel that I had and you can see it happening in my rehearsal move. Even though my conscious focus was on the torso, my pressure trace and sequencing were right where we wanted them to be.<br />
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    The 'left knee to the toes' is exactly the trigger which came to me as I worked on this so thanks for that it validates the feel I found for this move.<br />
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    I just love your reaction to the strike in that video - may you continue to ' f.....g pure them'.
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  • GolfTurkeyGolfTurkey Members  622WRX Points: 153Posts: 622 Golden Tee
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    Last year I learnt the extension->regain flexion move and it added 8-10 mph to my ball speed (158-160 on decent shots). I have struggled for months to regain extension afterwards and remained in flexion too long through impact. This lead to a lot of low squirelly shots, especially with driver.<br />
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    Yesterday I went to the range with the sole goal being to regain extension even if I have to jump off the ground like Bubba or Justin Thomas. Keep left tilt in transition then rip everything up as hard as I can. I had never reached the end of this range before and my first drive landed almost at the end and one hopped into the gunch over the back. I repeated this over and over.<br />
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    I committed to doing this move in today's monthly medal, no matter where the ball went. For the first time I won longest drive and I'm usually not even close. 342 yards although a bit downhill and had a breeze behind. Hit one 332 on a flat par 5 with a slight tail wind and finished with what I'm sure is the hardest I've ever hit (or tried to hit) the ball. 290 uphill into the wind almost all carry because it landed in soft fluffy rough.<br />
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    I know this is ho-hum distance for lots of you but this was absolute science fiction stuff for me. I'm keen to get onto a LM but this last piece of the extension to flexion to extension cycle must have added another 8-10 mph. Interesting part was I hit it straighter too.
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  • Lincoln_ArcadiaLincoln_Arcadia We're supposed to be having fun here...yeah, right. So. Cal.Members  1309WRX Points: 268Handicap: 7.4Posts: 1,309 Platinum Tees
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    Lamb wrote:
    WTH!! Wait so all these years I just realised that in the downswing the lead shoulder should go down first as to around? I don't believe this! I am angry and shaking with rage that I wasted all these years and $$$$ that something so important was never mentioned to me by my instructors. Not once!!!. I fixed the issue myself having finally watched a YT video. The problem is that although the instruction on the shoulder turn on the DS has been right, far too much emphasis has been placed on the trail shoulder rather than the effects of the lead shoulder. <br />
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    Anyway, what I discovered is that getting the shoulder down leads when incorporated with dropping your arms leads to:<br />
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    No more early extension<br />
    Amazing shoulder rotation though the ball<br />
    No more coming over the top<br />
    Divots in front of the ball<br />
    Great contact<br />
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    Big shoutout to Shaun [email protected] Motion Golf for his life changing video. The sad thing is I saw the video and even posted it a while back but never noticed how important it was. <br />
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    What Monte said... many instructors just say they don’t like flat shoulders at the top or keep your shoulder separated from the chin or whatnot.<br />
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    The reason is to prevent your shoulder from floating around and keep it connected to the torso as you make your swing.<br />
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    In many cases, this will add speed because there’s less movement. At the very least your swing will feel more connected and your strike location a bit more consistent.<br />
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    Great that you found out and posted.
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