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  • deadsolid...shankdeadsolid...shank ClubWRX Posts: 14,620 ClubWRX
    larryd3 wrote:


    Guess I'd give them the price that I've decided is the minimum I need for the sale. And I will tell them that so it's a take it or leave it at that point.




    That’s what I’m asking for when I ask. And if I do ask, it is definitely take it or leave it.



    But if someone decides they’re selling soemthing, and the least they’ll take is $200. If they tell me that and it works for me, all I’m going to ask for is PayPal info so I can send the money. A whole lot of hassle just got avoided.



    Delete the conversation without even an answer and a sale, for an amount the seller would be satisfied with, is gone.







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    I respond with I can’t buy it and sell it, make me an offer
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  • KC13KC13 31st StateMembers Posts: 330 ✭✭
    edited Oct 10, 2018 #64
    Imagine a BST full of "whats your lowest" when most of the items being sold are already at half price. Exceptions for collectible and limited release items...



    Ideal scenario;



    Buyer: Whats your lowest?

    Seller: I have it listed for $250 but its yours for $225 PayPal'd and shipped.

    Buyer: Payment incoming, thanks!



    Annoying scenario;



    Buyer: Whats your lowest?

    Seller: I have it listed for $250 but its yours for $225 PayPal'd and shipped.

    (two days later)....

    Buyer: You still got that Scotty?

    Seller: Yes, $225 PayPal'd and shipped.

    Buyer: Will you take $185?

    (conversation deleted)....



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  • Golfer4LifeGolfer4Life Bob Parsons Bodyguard, Chump! ClubWRX Posts: 2,152
    I respond politely and move on.
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  • deadsolid...shankdeadsolid...shank ClubWRX Posts: 14,620 ClubWRX
    KC13 wrote:


    Imagine a BST full of "whats your lowest" when most of the items being sold are already at half price. Exceptions for collectible and limited release items...



    Ideal scenario;



    Buyer: Whats your lowest?

    Seller: I have it listed for $250 but its yours for $225 PayPal'd and shipped.

    Buyer: Payment incoming, thanks!



    Annoying scenario;



    Buyer: Whats your lowest?

    Seller: I have it listed for $250 but its yours for $225 PayPal'd and shipped.

    (two days later)....

    Buyer: You still got that Scotty?

    Seller: Yes, $225 PayPal'd and shipped.

    Buyer: Will you take $185?

    (conversation deleted)....



    - KC




    The second scenario, when he says will you take $185? Now it’s $265!
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  • cgbmcgbm Members Posts: 1,041
    Dang.



    Alot of angry sellers here.



    Its a sale and should be approached that way by both sides. There really is no tight or wrong question or answer. If you are inquiring then ask however you want. If your responding to an inquiry then also do so however you want.



    If your approach is to delete then block your inquiring buyers then so be it. You just narrowed your buyer potential.



    If you ask one ended inquiries then you may have lowered your chances of a deal.



    Both sides should approach every deal with the hopes to make a deal. At least thats what has worked for me in the past.
  • straightshot7straightshot7 Members Posts: 2,925 ✭✭
    cgbm wrote:


    Dang.



    Alot of angry sellers here.



    Its a sale and should be approached that way by both sides. There really is no tight or wrong question or answer. If you are inquiring then ask however you want. If your responding to an inquiry then also do so however you want.



    If your approach is to delete then block your inquiring buyers then so be it. You just narrowed your buyer potential.



    If you ask one ended inquiries then you may have lowered your chances of a deal.



    Both sides should approach every deal with the hopes to make a deal. At least thats what has worked for me in the past.




    Yeah and since opening with "what's the lowest you'll take?" clearly doesn't sit well with a lot of sellers...it's probably not the best or even a good approach when you're "hoping to make a deal".
  • jli2636jli2636 Members Posts: 1,035 ✭✭
    GoIrish17 wrote:


    OP here. I just wanted to clarify, the question that prompted this post was not a BST offer, but an offer on an item I had listed on eBay with a Buy-it-Now price and the Best Offer option. I probably should have specified my question, seeing as how everyone just assumed I was talking about BST (and rightly so). I have fielded my fair share of "what's the lowest you'll take?" here on BST, and while a little frustrating because they are trying to circumvent the negotiation process and just get me to "whip it out" (so to speak) and tell them what my rock bottom is, it's not offensive to me and I'll try to tactfully use it as a jumping off point in a negotiation. Because, the honest answer to the question of "what is the lowest you'll take?" is "the most someone is willing to pay", but I am also not looking to fleece any members here. I will always give members here the benefit of the doubt and never slam the door shut on an inquiry. Well, I might be a little shorter with the guys that have no posts, a recent join date, and no feedback... but we're all homies here as far as I'm concerned about the BST.



    What made me post this was the fact that it was an eBay BIN sale with a best offer option. Clearly, it was someone kicking tires and not looking to place a committable offer via the option on my listing. When I sell here, I enjoy a little back-and-forth with a potential buyer. Allows me to "feel them out", so to speak. Now, when my item has made the rapid decent down the first page and disappears on to the older pages and I decide to move an item to eBay, I do it because I am done babysitting an ad. I am not looking to dicker back and forth via private message on eBay.



    Basically, I was curious how others handle this situation in all aspects of selling, not just the unique world of the BST. I tried to keepo my answer as brief and impersonal as possible. "You're free to make an offer. I will consider any reasonable offer, but I am not desperate and not looking to give my putter away".




    My problem with the best offer feature on EBay is that if you aren’t going to accept anything less than what it’s listed at why put it as an option?
  • cgbmcgbm Members Posts: 1,041
    cgbm wrote:


    Dang.



    Alot of angry sellers here.



    Its a sale and should be approached that way by both sides. There really is no tight or wrong question or answer. If you are inquiring then ask however you want. If your responding to an inquiry then also do so however you want.



    If your approach is to delete then block your inquiring buyers then so be it. You just narrowed your buyer potential.



    If you ask one ended inquiries then you may have lowered your chances of a deal.



    Both sides should approach every deal with the hopes to make a deal. At least thats what has worked for me in the past.




    Yeah and since opening with "what's the lowest you'll take?" clearly doesn't sit well with a lot of sellers...it's probably not the best or even a good approach when you're "hoping to make a deal".




    I cant recall ever using it. And absolutely revised my statement if i got no response quickly.
  • GoIrish17GoIrish17 Members Posts: 5,532 ✭✭
    jli2636 wrote:

    GoIrish17 wrote:


    OP here. I just wanted to clarify, the question that prompted this post was not a BST offer, but an offer on an item I had listed on eBay with a Buy-it-Now price and the Best Offer option. I probably should have specified my question, seeing as how everyone just assumed I was talking about BST (and rightly so). I have fielded my fair share of "what's the lowest you'll take?" here on BST, and while a little frustrating because they are trying to circumvent the negotiation process and just get me to "whip it out" (so to speak) and tell them what my rock bottom is, it's not offensive to me and I'll try to tactfully use it as a jumping off point in a negotiation. Because, the honest answer to the question of "what is the lowest you'll take?" is "the most someone is willing to pay", but I am also not looking to fleece any members here. I will always give members here the benefit of the doubt and never slam the door shut on an inquiry. Well, I might be a little shorter with the guys that have no posts, a recent join date, and no feedback... but we're all homies here as far as I'm concerned about the BST.



    What made me post this was the fact that it was an eBay BIN sale with a best offer option. Clearly, it was someone kicking tires and not looking to place a committable offer via the option on my listing. When I sell here, I enjoy a little back-and-forth with a potential buyer. Allows me to "feel them out", so to speak. Now, when my item has made the rapid decent down the first page and disappears on to the older pages and I decide to move an item to eBay, I do it because I am done babysitting an ad. I am not looking to dicker back and forth via private message on eBay.



    Basically, I was curious how others handle this situation in all aspects of selling, not just the unique world of the BST. I tried to keepo my answer as brief and impersonal as possible. "You're free to make an offer. I will consider any reasonable offer, but I am not desperate and not looking to give my putter away".




    My problem with the best offer feature on EBay is that if you aren't going to accept anything less than what it's listed at why put it as an option?




    Who said they wouldn't accept anything less than the listed price? I use the feature exactly the same as "OBO" here on BST. I have a number in my head I'd like to get for my item, but I'm not going to indulge some stranger on eBay in his tire kicking. If he wanted to make an offer, he was more than welcome to. The problem I imagine from his end, though, is that if he made an offer (rather than message me) and I accepted, he'd be on the hook to pay it.
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  • MrTmagMrTmag Members Posts: 2,383
    edited Oct 10, 2018 #72
    I hate the back forth when buying stuff so I always ask what their bottom dollar is and if it’s a good number for me I buy it if not I move on. It’s better than than a 30 post back and forth argument over a couple of bucks.
  • nogamejamesnogamejames Members Posts: 1,170 ✭✭
    I try to price everything low enough so I don't have to worry about that but it still happens. I am more open to that when a buyer wants multiple items.
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  • deadsolid...shankdeadsolid...shank ClubWRX Posts: 14,620 ClubWRX
    MrTmag wrote:


    I hate the back forth when buying stuff so I always ask what their bottom dollar is and if it’s a good number for me I buy it if not I move on. It’s better than than a 30 post back and forth argument over a couple of bucks.




    Did you see the thread in DoND (locked right now for cleanup). 49 posts and multiple days to almost complete a purchase.
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  • AugsterAugster Members Posts: 4,141 ✭✭
    KC13 wrote:


    Imagine a BST full of "whats your lowest" when most of the items being sold are already at half price. Exceptions for collectible and limited release items...



    Ideal scenario;



    Buyer: Whats your lowest?

    Seller: I have it listed for $250 but its yours for $225 PayPal'd and shipped.

    Buyer: Payment incoming, thanks!



    Annoying scenario;



    Buyer: Whats your lowest?

    Seller: I have it listed for $250 but its yours for $225 PayPal'd and shipped.

    (two days later)....

    Buyer: You still got that Scotty?

    Seller: Yes, $225 PayPal'd and shipped.

    Buyer: Will you take $185?

    (conversation deleted)....



    - KC




    This. All day every day for, it seems like, every sale I’ve ever made on BST and/or make and offer on EBay.



    Now I don’t negotiate against myself.
  • BKN1964BKN1964 Members Posts: 956 ✭✭
    Another option, if you're the type of person who views an inquiry as a "buy signal" and their question is the start of a possible negotiation: "What do you think it's worth?"
  • jli2636jli2636 Members Posts: 1,035 ✭✭
    GoIrish17 wrote:

    jli2636 wrote:

    GoIrish17 wrote:


    OP here. I just wanted to clarify, the question that prompted this post was not a BST offer, but an offer on an item I had listed on eBay with a Buy-it-Now price and the Best Offer option. I probably should have specified my question, seeing as how everyone just assumed I was talking about BST (and rightly so). I have fielded my fair share of "what's the lowest you'll take?" here on BST, and while a little frustrating because they are trying to circumvent the negotiation process and just get me to "whip it out" (so to speak) and tell them what my rock bottom is, it's not offensive to me and I'll try to tactfully use it as a jumping off point in a negotiation. Because, the honest answer to the question of "what is the lowest you'll take?" is "the most someone is willing to pay", but I am also not looking to fleece any members here. I will always give members here the benefit of the doubt and never slam the door shut on an inquiry. Well, I might be a little shorter with the guys that have no posts, a recent join date, and no feedback... but we're all homies here as far as I'm concerned about the BST.



    What made me post this was the fact that it was an eBay BIN sale with a best offer option. Clearly, it was someone kicking tires and not looking to place a committable offer via the option on my listing. When I sell here, I enjoy a little back-and-forth with a potential buyer. Allows me to "feel them out", so to speak. Now, when my item has made the rapid decent down the first page and disappears on to the older pages and I decide to move an item to eBay, I do it because I am done babysitting an ad. I am not looking to dicker back and forth via private message on eBay.



    Basically, I was curious how others handle this situation in all aspects of selling, not just the unique world of the BST. I tried to keepo my answer as brief and impersonal as possible. "You're free to make an offer. I will consider any reasonable offer, but I am not desperate and not looking to give my putter away".




    My problem with the best offer feature on EBay is that if you aren't going to accept anything less than what it's listed at why put it as an option?




    Who said they wouldn't accept anything less than the listed price? I use the feature exactly the same as "OBO" here on BST. I have a number in my head I'd like to get for my item, but I'm not going to indulge some stranger on eBay in his tire kicking. If he wanted to make an offer, he was more than welcome to. The problem I imagine from his end, though, is that if he made an offer (rather than message me) and I accepted, he'd be on the hook to pay it.




    Sorry, I wasn’t clear. Wasn’t talking about you. I’ve made quite a few offers that are within $10-20 of the asking price and they have gotten rejected immediately, showing me they had the “auto decline” set basically at their asking price.
  • GoIrish17GoIrish17 Members Posts: 5,532 ✭✭
    jli2636 wrote:

    GoIrish17 wrote:

    jli2636 wrote:

    GoIrish17 wrote:


    OP here. I just wanted to clarify, the question that prompted this post was not a BST offer, but an offer on an item I had listed on eBay with a Buy-it-Now price and the Best Offer option. I probably should have specified my question, seeing as how everyone just assumed I was talking about BST (and rightly so). I have fielded my fair share of "what's the lowest you'll take?" here on BST, and while a little frustrating because they are trying to circumvent the negotiation process and just get me to "whip it out" (so to speak) and tell them what my rock bottom is, it's not offensive to me and I'll try to tactfully use it as a jumping off point in a negotiation. Because, the honest answer to the question of "what is the lowest you'll take?" is "the most someone is willing to pay", but I am also not looking to fleece any members here. I will always give members here the benefit of the doubt and never slam the door shut on an inquiry. Well, I might be a little shorter with the guys that have no posts, a recent join date, and no feedback... but we're all homies here as far as I'm concerned about the BST.



    What made me post this was the fact that it was an eBay BIN sale with a best offer option. Clearly, it was someone kicking tires and not looking to place a committable offer via the option on my listing. When I sell here, I enjoy a little back-and-forth with a potential buyer. Allows me to "feel them out", so to speak. Now, when my item has made the rapid decent down the first page and disappears on to the older pages and I decide to move an item to eBay, I do it because I am done babysitting an ad. I am not looking to dicker back and forth via private message on eBay.



    Basically, I was curious how others handle this situation in all aspects of selling, not just the unique world of the BST. I tried to keepo my answer as brief and impersonal as possible. "You're free to make an offer. I will consider any reasonable offer, but I am not desperate and not looking to give my putter away".




    My problem with the best offer feature on EBay is that if you aren't going to accept anything less than what it's listed at why put it as an option?




    Who said they wouldn't accept anything less than the listed price? I use the feature exactly the same as "OBO" here on BST. I have a number in my head I'd like to get for my item, but I'm not going to indulge some stranger on eBay in his tire kicking. If he wanted to make an offer, he was more than welcome to. The problem I imagine from his end, though, is that if he made an offer (rather than message me) and I accepted, he'd be on the hook to pay it.




    Sorry, I wasn't clear. Wasn't talking about you. I've made quite a few offers that are within $10-20 of the asking price and they have gotten rejected immediately, showing me they had the "auto decline" set basically at their asking price.




    i know the ones you’re talking about. I’ve bid on $80 BIN listing and been automatically turned down at $70. Tried $75, then $77, $78, $79, nada. I didn’t try to see what decimal they’d landed on as their “auto accept” threshold, I moved along and paid slightly more to someone else, just because of the waste of my time. I ask myself the same question you asked - why in the world have the option if you aren’t going to accept anything? Though, I do seek out listings that have an offer option, so maybe that is the answer.



    I very much enjoy the offer feature on eBay, in spite of the fact that it’s a relatively anonymous and consequence-free way to kick tires. It makes negotiating so simple - you offer, I counter offer, we either meet somewhere or we don’t, and we move on. The only real downfall of the offer feature is when you counter someone’s offer and they don’t respond, you’re kind of handcuffed on editing your ad/ price until either they decline, or (more likely) don’t decline but rather just ignore the counter. Then you’re stuck having to wait like 48 hours to make changes to your listing.
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  • llewol007llewol007 4KidsGolfer ClubWRX Posts: 3,355 ClubWRX
    You tell them the lowest number you will take. It takes the whole thing of letting them low ball you, you being irritated, not responding at all, then finally sending them the lowest offer you will take. I have done it many a times and it quickly clears those who are serious buyers and those who dont have enough money to buy it and want something for cheap.
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  • sdandreasdandrea Steve Members Posts: 2,329 ✭✭
    edited Oct 10, 2018 #80
    "You'll find out by making an offer", or respond with "what's the most you'll pay?"
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  • Noyes26Noyes26 Members Posts: 1,891 ✭✭
    My favorite is when you list something for say $300 and get this 10 min after listing



    Buyer - “hey will you take $285?”



    Me - “Yes, you pay shipping.”



    I try to list things as fair as possible and think I do a good job at that. I never really understand the point of an offer to say $10-$20. But it happens almost every time now. Is what it is. Not really sure when the BST turned into everything was obo but.... it’s always better then paying eBay.
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  • GraymulliganGraymulligan Members Posts: 2,363 ✭✭
    9ccat9 wrote:


    I just tell them a price that I am willing to let the item go for. This is a potential buyer, guess I am not easily offended?




    Sometimes it's better to sell the item than to be annoyed at the way someone goes about negotiating. I'm with you on this one.
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  • radimanradiman Members Posts: 4,638 ✭✭
    GoIrish17 wrote:

    jli2636 wrote:

    GoIrish17 wrote:

    jli2636 wrote:

    GoIrish17 wrote:


    OP here. I just wanted to clarify, the question that prompted this post was not a BST offer, but an offer on an item I had listed on eBay with a Buy-it-Now price and the Best Offer option. I probably should have specified my question, seeing as how everyone just assumed I was talking about BST (and rightly so). I have fielded my fair share of "what's the lowest you'll take?" here on BST, and while a little frustrating because they are trying to circumvent the negotiation process and just get me to "whip it out" (so to speak) and tell them what my rock bottom is, it's not offensive to me and I'll try to tactfully use it as a jumping off point in a negotiation. Because, the honest answer to the question of "what is the lowest you'll take?" is "the most someone is willing to pay", but I am also not looking to fleece any members here. I will always give members here the benefit of the doubt and never slam the door shut on an inquiry. Well, I might be a little shorter with the guys that have no posts, a recent join date, and no feedback... but we're all homies here as far as I'm concerned about the BST.



    What made me post this was the fact that it was an eBay BIN sale with a best offer option. Clearly, it was someone kicking tires and not looking to place a committable offer via the option on my listing. When I sell here, I enjoy a little back-and-forth with a potential buyer. Allows me to "feel them out", so to speak. Now, when my item has made the rapid decent down the first page and disappears on to the older pages and I decide to move an item to eBay, I do it because I am done babysitting an ad. I am not looking to dicker back and forth via private message on eBay.



    Basically, I was curious how others handle this situation in all aspects of selling, not just the unique world of the BST. I tried to keepo my answer as brief and impersonal as possible. "You're free to make an offer. I will consider any reasonable offer, but I am not desperate and not looking to give my putter away".




    My problem with the best offer feature on EBay is that if you aren't going to accept anything less than what it's listed at why put it as an option?




    Who said they wouldn't accept anything less than the listed price? I use the feature exactly the same as "OBO" here on BST. I have a number in my head I'd like to get for my item, but I'm not going to indulge some stranger on eBay in his tire kicking. If he wanted to make an offer, he was more than welcome to. The problem I imagine from his end, though, is that if he made an offer (rather than message me) and I accepted, he'd be on the hook to pay it.




    Sorry, I wasn't clear. Wasn't talking about you. I've made quite a few offers that are within $10-20 of the asking price and they have gotten rejected immediately, showing me they had the "auto decline" set basically at their asking price.




    i know the ones you’re talking about. I’ve bid on $80 BIN listing and been automatically turned down at $70. Tried $75, then $77, $78, $79, nada. I didn’t try to see what decimal they’d landed on as their “auto accept” threshold, I moved along and paid slightly more to someone else, just because of the waste of my time. I ask myself the same question you asked - why in the world have the option if you aren’t going to accept anything? Though, I do seek out listings that have an offer option, so maybe that is the answer.



    I very much enjoy the offer feature on eBay, in spite of the fact that it’s a relatively anonymous and consequence-free way to kick tires. It makes negotiating so simple - you offer, I counter offer, we either meet somewhere or we don’t, and we move on. The only real downfall of the offer feature is when you counter someone’s offer and they don’t respond, you’re kind of handcuffed on editing your ad/ price until either they decline, or (more likely) don’t decline but rather just ignore the counter. Then you’re stuck having to wait like 48 hours to make changes to your listing.




    I like it as well. I am on the same page. I am more apt to look at ads that have it as an option for whatever reason. My biggest issue is as a buyer, you offer and they don't respond to it and it just expires. I then am locked in until that point or they decline. If a day goes by and I hear nothing back, I can't just go with another listing. I am not talking about a lowball offer either. If they feel it's too low, then just counter or reject it. I make a point to respond to offers as soon as I can to avoid that situation for buyers.
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  • IHIeavensentIHIeavensent Members Posts: 138 ✭✭
    A lot of great stuff here. Interesting debate and plausible reasoning for both sides. I think the psychology behind all of this is pretty fascinating. The seller can certainly do their market research... but still, the prices in the posts that we author ourselves are arbitrary (some more so than others). Oftentimes, I feel like the buyer just wants to feel like they "win" a little by knocking off a tiny fragment of the listed asking price. Baking in that "win" for the buyer who is inevitably going to offer some sort of lowball is something that I have experimented with as a seller.



    That being said I can see how the seller who thinks they are listing everything for a "more than fair price" would be irritated, just like I can see how the seller who uses the listed price as a starting point for negotiations to be perfectly content. I tend to fall into the former category and often ignore ridiculous lowballs. When I get this question specifically, I want to send back "The prices that are listed aren't suggestions. That's what they cost," but I realize this isn't the best closing technique image/smile.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':)' />
  • deadsolid...shankdeadsolid...shank ClubWRX Posts: 14,620 ClubWRX


    A lot of great stuff here. Interesting debate and plausible reasoning for both sides. I think the psychology behind all of this is pretty fascinating. The seller can certainly do their market research... but still, the prices in the posts that we author ourselves are arbitrary (some more so than others). Oftentimes, I feel like the buyer just wants to feel like they "win" a little by knocking off a tiny fragment of the listed asking price. Baking in that "win" for the buyer who is inevitably going to offer some sort of lowball is something that I have experimented with as a seller.



    That being said I can see how the seller who thinks they are listing everything for a "more than fair price" would be irritated, just like I can see how the seller who uses the listed price as a starting point for negotiations to be perfectly content. I tend to fall into the former category and often ignore ridiculous lowballs. When I get this question specifically, I want to send back "The prices that are listed aren't suggestions. That's what they cost," but I realize this isn't the best closing technique image/smile.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':)' />




    Good point. It is difficult to list items for a realistic and fair price. Because the BST has become a place where it is expected that people will offer less. Anymore I find it’s newer members who are more likely to pay the asking price. Not that there’s a lot of them, but still some. Then when someone does pay full price you start to wonder if you priced it too low!&#55358;&#56618;
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  • cgbmcgbm Members Posts: 1,041
    The BST is a sellers market for sure.



    Over the past few years the BST has seen an increase in listing prices. And a decrease in “good deals” for the brotherhood it was before.
  • kcsfkcsf Members Posts: 1,024 ✭✭

    MrTmag wrote:


    I hate the back forth when buying stuff so I always ask what their bottom dollar is and if it’s a good number for me I buy it if not I move on. It’s better than than a 30 post back and forth argument over a couple of bucks.




    Did you see the thread in DoND (locked right now for cleanup). 49 posts and multiple days to almost complete a purchase.




    If it's taking 49 posts to make a purchase/sale, you're both doing it wrong. Weirdest thread I've seen in a long while.
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  • VNutzVNutz Members Posts: 6,046 ✭✭
    cgbm wrote:
    The BST is a sellers market for sure.



    Over the past few years the BST has seen an increase in listing prices. And a decrease in “good deals” for the brotherhood it was before.




    The past few years have also seen a decrease in the number of clubmakers on the market (less competition between brands), as well as an increase in retail prices, all while retail locations (and the sales prices and employee discounts) have diminished, as have trade in values as the remaining options leverage their market strength. All of the above make it more expensive for the first buyer and have raised the market in general; it’s not necessarily owners just wanting more money imo.
  • GoIrish17GoIrish17 Members Posts: 5,532 ✭✭
    edited Oct 11, 2018 #90
    4rheel wrote:


    I find it hilarious that some of you that get irritated by that question have given low-ball offers yourselves.




    This is an interesting post
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    I paste this into my response:



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