Do Nice Kids Not Finish First?

I came across this article and thought it was interesting



https://www.newsweek.com/nice-guys-really-do-finish-last-agreeable-people-more-likely-be-broke-1162687



The article talks about finances, but I was wondering whether it also pertained to sports, and even junior golf



When you look at who the most dominant players in every sport are, none of them seem like "nice guys"



They are more like cold-blooded killers when the game or match starts



It doesn't mean they can't be good, decent people, but as it pertains to the competitive arena it seems like they have to leave that behind



Thoughts?

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  • cwglumcwglum Members Posts: 1,554 ✭✭
    Being nice and finishing first aren't mutually exclusive, depends on the parents.
  • tatertottatertot Members Posts: 4,304 ✭✭
    Jack Nicklaus sure seemed nice.



    Tiger is exceedingly generous.



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  • jj9000jj9000 ClubWRX Posts: 2,605 ClubWRX
    Jordan Speith is a good example of a humble, likable, kind of guy that I'd be ecstatic if my kids emulated his behavior on their way up.



    He's been the same way since high school.



    You don't have to be an a** to be great at something. You also don't have to be great at something to be an a**.
  • tiger1873tiger1873 Members Posts: 1,015 ✭✭
    edited Oct 12, 2018 #5
    Depends how you define nice. I think it more of not letting someone walk all over you. People who complain all the time usually are usually. broke. People don’t want to be around someone who complains and try to intimidate people.



    If you agree to everything your not really being nice. In golf usually that means your looking the other way when you see someone cheating. Those people also never win even though they enable others to win over their own interests.



    It also not just in golf but in every sport this happens.
  • BaitkillerBaitkiller Members Posts: 1,707 ✭✭
    Nice person and a killer in competition or business is not that rare. It looks rare because the asshats stick out more and garner the attention. The ability to recognize and act instinctively to both open a door for the elderly and keep your boot on the neck of your opponent when you have them down is a gift from God. My kids have the first which I can take credit for, they lack the second and there is nothing anyone can do to change it. And to reinforce my point, I have three kids 2 years apart. They understand competition. I live on a small resort island in FL. We have Billionaires here. Most are nice, generous guys and nobody outside of their circle knows their names. We also have a few guys worth a ton who step on everyone they can, throw it around, make sure someone is looking when they donate etc. Everybody knows these guys' name.
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  • TigerMomTigerMom Posts: 223 ✭✭
    I think to be a true champion you have to want it more than anyone else



    That is not technically incompatible with being nice, but it is not common



    A lot of the ppl at the top have good PR and seem nice on the outside



    But if you look more closely they have an edge about them that demonstrates their drive



    This type of singular focus is usually the opposite of someone who is looking to please others all the time - which many would describe as being "nice"



    I don't think Tiger Woods is considered to be "nice"
  • BertGABertGA Posts: 270 ✭✭
    I would also have never considered Tiger to be “nice”. He has certainly mellowed over the years, most likely because he is grateful to have had a fourth chance at his career.



    I would put Jordan and Justin in the nice category. Dustin is aloof. I’d guess Brooks is a conceited a$$.
  • TigerMomTigerMom Posts: 223 ✭✭
    leezer99 wrote:


    Jordan Peterson addresses this exact subject in a class he teaches. You can find it on YT. Some people love him and some hate him.




    Thank you for the good recommendation on this topic



  • wkndhackwkndhack Members Posts: 908 ✭✭
    TigerMom wrote:
    I think to be a true champion you have to want it more than anyone else



    That is not technically incompatible with being nice, but it is not common



    A lot of the ppl at the top have good PR and seem nice on the outside



    But if you look more closely they have an edge about them that demonstrates their drive



    This type of singular focus is usually the opposite of someone who is looking to please others all the time - which many would describe as being "nice"



    I don't think Tiger Woods is considered to be "nice"


    I think the most interesting part of Tiger's comeback is his new demeanor. He genuinely seems like someone who hit the bottom and did some self reflection and now has a better appreciation for his family, the fans, and his peers. And as he showed, a softer Tiger can still put the ball in the hole and win. You now see a guy who might have needed that emotional distance before in order to feed his competitive side can change his off course personality and still want to win enough to succeed.
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  • CTgolfCTgolf Posts: 407 ✭✭
    wkndhack wrote:

    TigerMom wrote:
    I think to be a true champion you have to want it more than anyone else



    That is not technically incompatible with being nice, but it is not common



    A lot of the ppl at the top have good PR and seem nice on the outside



    But if you look more closely they have an edge about them that demonstrates their drive



    This type of singular focus is usually the opposite of someone who is looking to please others all the time - which many would describe as being "nice"



    I don't think Tiger Woods is considered to be "nice"


    I think the most interesting part of Tiger's comeback is his new demeanor. He genuinely seems like someone who hit the bottom and did some self reflection and now has a better appreciation for his family, the fans, and his peers. And as he showed, a softer Tiger can still put the ball in the hole and win. You now see a guy who might have needed that emotional distance before in order to feed his competitive side can change his off course personality and still want to win enough to succeed.




    No judgement, as I'm a huge Tiger fan, but TW from 15 years ago would have shot 4 under (instead of +1) in the final round and blown the competition away, not feeling nervous on 18 and only relieved after he hit the green
  • nsxguynsxguy Just anudder user FloridaMembers Posts: 5,312 ✭✭
    You guys DO realize that if you keep on with the "Tiger" talk this thread is going to BE about Tiger, deteriorate and ultimately not help ANYBODY, right ?

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  • kekoakekoa ClubWRX Posts: 8,782 ClubWRX
    I'm nice and my son finishes first all the time.
  • TigerMomTigerMom Posts: 223 ✭✭
    kekoa wrote:


    I'm nice and my son finishes first all the time.




    humblebrag



    without the humble



    nice
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