What's your handicap and driver swing speed / distance?

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  • jut111jut111 Members Posts: 1,709 ✭✭✭✭✭✭
    BKN1964 wrote:

    Hawkeye77 wrote:


    I'm older, under 100 mph swing speed, 6.7 (it'll be back up around 8 I'm sure by end of next spring, lol). Know guys older than me, same or less swing speed who have much lower handicaps, know younger guys with much faster swing speeds who have higher handicaps. My daughter's boyfriend is easily above 100, young and strong and lucky to break 95, lol.



    Just don't think I'd put a lot of stock in how well anyone plays or potential based off swing speed, nor should you.




    I think I'm looking at it just the opposite. I think we all know that a high swing speed doesn't automatically result in a lower handicap. Sounds like quite a few people here have what I would consider very good handicaps with modest swing speeds, which is what I was attempting to discover with this thread.




    jut111 wrote:


    Op imho you're looking at this wrong. You seem to think that your distance is capped and will limit your potential. First as you can see plenty of low caps that don't hit it a mile.



    Two as a 20 I'm assuming you're swing has plenty of room for improvement. As your swing improves you're likely to hit it further do to improvement in strike, and increased swing speed from better mechanics.




    I don't doubt that my swing could improve. However, based on most of what I've read so far, I can make a LOT of progress by spending

    less time trying to gain more speed, and more time focusing on a) improving my driver accuracy at my current swing speed, and b) improving my ability to score from 150 yards and in. Sounds like a few others could as well.




    Well in order to improve a and b improving your swing is a major component so sounds like we're on the same page!
  • PetethreeputPetethreeput Members Posts: 1,467 ✭✭✭✭✭✭
    Swing speed is 97-101 last winter.



    Driver carry around 240.



    Handicap is up to 4.9



    70.1/126 about 6400 yds for my home course.



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  • jamgamjamgam ClubWRX Posts: 105 ✭✭✭
    Age. 40

    Swing speed. 107 w 3 wood (driver and I aren't friends). 240 or so off tee I guess

    Handicap. ~12 according to gamegolf.
  • gsrjcgsrjc TOC Members Posts: 1,516 ✭✭✭✭✭✭
    Age 40

    SS 103-104

    Carry 245-250

    Index 12
  • ebrasmus21ebrasmus21 Serial Shanker CAMembers Posts: 5,712 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭
    Obee wrote:

    BNGL wrote:
    Age: ????



    Stroke Average: 70.41 (3 Most Frequent Slope and Course Ratings I will play, course number one and two are the same just one is the back tees the other is the BACK tees and course three is my work club); 1. 77.9/155 2. 74.5/142 3. 70.0/131)



    Swing Speed: 112 Average (Per Last Trackman Session)



    Average Carry Distance: 282.0 (Per Last Trackman Session




    That's some gooooood golf.




    ****. I don’t think I’ve ever even seen a course with a rating of 77. That sounds beastly.
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  • Thamel90Thamel90 Members Posts: 85
    Those very back tees are likely to be a ~7600+ yd track. The RTJ trail has a good number of courses with ratings of 77+ from the tips, but they're all at least that long as well.



    My Driver SS is ~100-102 MPH, 10 index, 230-240 carry
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    Thamel90 wrote:


    Those very back tees are likely to be a ~7600+ yd track. The RTJ trail has a good number of courses with ratings of 77+ from the tips, but they're all at least that long as well.



    My Driver SS is ~100-102 MPH, 10 index, 230-240 carry




    Oh I don't deny it - I'm just saying hot-**** that must be a beast of a course.
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  • sleezytsleezyt Members Posts: 373 ✭✭✭✭
    113-117 ss 275-295 carry was a 0.9 now a 2.1.
  • wmblake2000wmblake2000 Los AngelesMembers Posts: 5,916 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭
    BKN1964 wrote:
    Hawkeye77 wrote:


    I'm older, under 100 mph swing speed, 6.7 (it'll be back up around 8 I'm sure by end of next spring, lol). Know guys older than me, same or less swing speed who have much lower handicaps, know younger guys with much faster swing speeds who have higher handicaps. My daughter's boyfriend is easily above 100, young and strong and lucky to break 95, lol.



    Just don't think I'd put a lot of stock in how well anyone plays or potential based off swing speed, nor should you.




    I think I'm looking at it just the opposite. I think we all know that a high swing speed doesn't automatically result in a lower handicap. Sounds like quite a few people here have what I would consider very good handicaps with modest swing speeds, which is what I was attempting to discover with this thread.




    jut111 wrote:


    Op imho you're looking at this wrong. You seem to think that your distance is capped and will limit your potential. First as you can see plenty of low caps that don't hit it a mile.



    Two as a 20 I'm assuming you're swing has plenty of room for improvement. As your swing improves you're likely to hit it further do to improvement in strike, and increased swing speed from better mechanics.




    I don't doubt that my swing could improve. However, based on most of what I've read so far, I can make a LOT of progress by spending

    less time trying to gain more speed, and more time focusing on a) improving my driver accuracy at my current swing speed, and b) improving my ability to score from 150 yards and in. Sounds like a few others could as well.




    IMO, speed isn’t The indicator of swing quality. Consistency of impact is much more valuable - throughout the bag. Hit it where you mean to hit it and you can score.
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  • HondabuffHondabuff Members Posts: 1,484 ✭✭✭✭✭✭
    Age: 41

    Club Head Speed: 113-115, Some videos in the over-speed section showing 125mph. Best program if you want raw speed.

    Carry: 270-275

    7 iron: 92mph 168 carry

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  • bulls9999bulls9999 Members Posts: 746 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited Oct 15, 2018 #42
    I'm 64, driver SS ~90, and GHIN index at 13.6. I'm not long off the tee, but pretty accurate within 120 yards and chip&putt well. Probably practice my putting the least (maybe once for every 5 times I hit the driving range) because I enjoy seeing the line, reading breaks, and find flat-straight putts boring. Lately can't hit a 3/5-wood or hybrid off the ground to save my life but can smack them off a tee in a long straight line; if I can't get it to work on the range (sometimes club playability is different on a different day image/swoon.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':swoon:' /> ), I'll only pull those clubs out on the course if the lie is right. I will say, since switching to a 'senior' shaft in my driver (52-gm PXV) over an initial 'Stiff' and then 'Reg' (picked up 10 yards over stiff), I've picked up another 10 yards over the Reg flex and that has put me in places that give me a better opportunity to score. I like the weight of the stronger flexes, but I can't argue with the distance and the scores that the senior flex gives me. Yes, I'll work on swing speed over the winter and see if I can improve. But I can already see the dilemma if I get a faster swing speed, do I move back up to Reg just to get to where I already am with Senior flex or take that improvement to go even further with the Senior flex? image/taunt.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':taunt:' />
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  • juststevejuststeve Members Posts: 4,827 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭
    I'm 70,



    Index at last revision was +1.8,



    Carry the ball 240-250 depending on strike,



    Don't know my club head speed.



    Steve
  • ObeeObee ClubWRX Posts: 3,804 ClubWRX
    Hondabuff wrote:
    Age: 41

    Club Head Speed: 113-115, Some videos in the over-speed section showing 125mph. Best program if you want raw speed.

    Carry: 270-275

    7 iron: 92mph 168 carry

    Hcp 3 on home course 71/130




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    Obee wrote:

    Hondabuff wrote:
    Age: 41

    Club Head Speed: 113-115, Some videos in the over-speed section showing 125mph. Best program if you want raw speed.

    Carry: 270-275

    7 iron: 92mph 168 carry

    Hcp 3 on home course 71/130




    You play any tournament golf?




    Not since college and HS. Just play once a week in my league with a bunch of older ex-college players. Most of the guys I come across who are 4 and under hcp's all seem to hit the ball about the same distances. Overspeed training has probably been one the best things I have discovered once I turned 38. I feel like I swing way easier now then my violent swings in my early 20's.
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  • Nard_SNard_S Members Posts: 3,447 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭
    55, carry distance 240-260, value kick and roll out a lot more than most ("low spin bomb" is about the kick), so hold expectations of 270-280 off a solid tee shot. Play to 9 ish though don't carry index nor ever hit on trackman. Driver pop is indicative of swing quality but I've seen 70+ year old guys chase their age with 175 bombers and seen them hit it 250 w/ 1990's vintage metals. In both cases, they had rock solid swings that defied father time when it came to scoring. So too much is made about distance and not enough focus is on developing a sound swing that works with every club in the bag, week in and week out.
  • BKN1964BKN1964 Members Posts: 986 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Nard_S wrote:


    55, carry distance 240-260, value kick and roll out a lot more than most ("low spin bomb" is about the kick), so hold expectations of 270-280 off a solid tee shot. Play to 9 ish though don't carry index nor ever hit on trackman. Driver pop is indicative of swing quality but I've seen 70+ year old guys chase their age with 175 bombers and seen them hit it 250 w/ 1990's vintage metals. In both cases, they had rock solid swings that defied father time when it came to scoring. So too much is made about distance and not enough focus is on developing a sound swing that works with every club in the bag, week in and week out.




    Yep, that's what I was looking to get out of this thread. Hopefully the info will help others as well who, like me, are high-handicaps and think chasing distance will help them get their handicaps down to something they're more satisfied with.



    An example of how I'm changing my thinking: I went to the range yesterday. About 99% of the time my focus is on trying to increase distance first, with accuracy being an afterthought. Yesterday was all about hitting targets, with whatever club that happens to be. I started off trying to hit the 100 yard sign with my PW (48 degrees). It was coming up a bit short, so I switched to the 9 iron, and then focused on trying to put every shot within two-putt or less distance. I then did the same with a basket sitting at 130 yards, then the 150 yard sign. After that it was about driver and 3W, again focusing more on accuracy with "my" swing-speed and distance.



    Incidentally, I did see my distance improve by 1 club length as I focused on solid contact, etc. Yes, it's a distance improvement, but nowhere near what I've been trying to do over the past year or so.



    We'll see how well I can put it to use on the course this evening.
  • kobe123kobe123 Golf Is A Way Of Life Jr. Boomers Posts: 1,061 ✭✭✭✭✭✭
    Age: 26

    Swing Speed: 118-122

    Handicap: 4



    I can't find a fairway, biggest problem. Great distance, no control.
  • ObeeObee ClubWRX Posts: 3,804 ClubWRX
    Hondabuff wrote:
    Obee wrote:

    Hondabuff wrote:
    Age: 41

    Club Head Speed: 113-115, Some videos in the over-speed section showing 125mph. Best program if you want raw speed.

    Carry: 270-275

    7 iron: 92mph 168 carry

    Hcp 3 on home course 71/130




    You play any tournament golf?




    Not since college and HS. Just play once a week in my league with a bunch of older ex-college players. Most of the guys I come across who are 4 and under hcp's all seem to hit the ball about the same distances. Overspeed training has probably been one the best things I have discovered once I turned 38. I feel like I swing way easier now then my violent swings in my early 20's.




    Where do you live? Is there a solid amateur scene there?
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  • Nard_SNard_S Members Posts: 3,447 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭
    BKN1964 wrote:

    Nard_S wrote:


    55, carry distance 240-260, value kick and roll out a lot more than most ("low spin bomb" is about the kick), so hold expectations of 270-280 off a solid tee shot. Play to 9 ish though don't carry index nor ever hit on trackman. Driver pop is indicative of swing quality but I've seen 70+ year old guys chase their age with 175 bombers and seen them hit it 250 w/ 1990's vintage metals. In both cases, they had rock solid swings that defied father time when it came to scoring. So too much is made about distance and not enough focus is on developing a sound swing that works with every club in the bag, week in and week out.




    Yep, that's what I was looking to get out of this thread. Hopefully the info will help others as well who, like me, are high-handicaps and think chasing distance will help them get their handicaps down to something they're more satisfied with.



    An example of how I'm changing my thinking: I went to the range yesterday. About 99% of the time my focus is on trying to increase distance first, with accuracy being an afterthought. Yesterday was all about hitting targets, with whatever club that happens to be. I started off trying to hit the 100 yard sign with my PW (48 degrees). It was coming up a bit short, so I switched to the 9 iron, and then focused on trying to put every shot within two-putt or less distance. I then did the same with a basket sitting at 130 yards, then the 150 yard sign. After that it was about driver and 3W, again focusing more on accuracy with "my" swing-speed and distance.



    Incidentally, I did see my distance improve by 1 club length as I focused on solid contact, etc. Yes, it's a distance improvement, but nowhere near what I've been trying to do over the past year or so.



    We'll see how well I can put it to use on the course this evening.




    Yes,it's a lot better to be more target and contact focused in practice and build distance as a derivative to those. Heck even set aside a portion of practice to swing for the fences but only after taking care of business. On the course, be wary of steering the shot. Swing fully in the context of rhythm and balance because otherwise you'll find the ball all over the place.
  • blehnhardblehnhard Over The Hill & Almost Down The Other Side Members Posts: 535 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Age - 76 next month. Hdcp varies from +2 to 2. SS = 93 to 97. Carry 225 to 235. Play a fairly short course (6100) with narrow fairways, tough rough,and smallish very undulating greens. Comfortable playing upto 6700 yds with normal 15 to 25 yds of roll.
  • torbilltorbill Members Posts: 346 ✭✭✭✭
    BKN1964 wrote:

    Nard_S wrote:


    55, carry distance 240-260, value kick and roll out a lot more than most ("low spin bomb" is about the kick), so hold expectations of 270-280 off a solid tee shot. Play to 9 ish though don't carry index nor ever hit on trackman. Driver pop is indicative of swing quality but I've seen 70+ year old guys chase their age with 175 bombers and seen them hit it 250 w/ 1990's vintage metals. In both cases, they had rock solid swings that defied father time when it came to scoring. So too much is made about distance and not enough focus is on developing a sound swing that works with every club in the bag, week in and week out.




    Yep, that's what I was looking to get out of this thread. Hopefully the info will help others as well who, like me, are high-handicaps and think chasing distance will help them get their handicaps down to something they're more satisfied with.



    An example of how I'm changing my thinking: I went to the range yesterday. About 99% of the time my focus is on trying to increase distance first, with accuracy being an afterthought. Yesterday was all about hitting targets, with whatever club that happens to be. I started off trying to hit the 100 yard sign with my PW (48 degrees). It was coming up a bit short, so I switched to the 9 iron, and then focused on trying to put every shot within two-putt or less distance. I then did the same with a basket sitting at 130 yards, then the 150 yard sign. After that it was about driver and 3W, again focusing more on accuracy with "my" swing-speed and distance.



    Incidentally, I did see my distance improve by 1 club length as I focused on solid contact, etc. Yes, it's a distance improvement, but nowhere near what I've been trying to do over the past year or so.



    We'll see how well I can put it to use on the course this evening.




    My age is 74. My handicap is 5. I think that my swing speed is about 95 on a really good day. My goal is to hit is no less than 230 yards including a normal amount of roll, and I can easily do that.



    What I would tell you is two things. First, anybody who can conistently hit a 230 yard drive can be a scratch player, for the kinds of courses that most of us play - just take the holes that you play and plug in 230 yard drives and do the math and you will see that this is all that you need. Anything less than that and distance will likely start to become a limiting factor for most of us because approach shots get to be too long.



    Second, if you want to be a good player you have to hit fairways with your drives. Period. Phil MIchelson can miss fairways 50% of the time. But the pros are playing perfectly manicured courses, with trees spaced out and trimmed up so that they are almost never blocked out and can always get a swing, with underbrush cleared out, with fairway bunkers set up hard and to perfection, etc. We don’t play those kinds of courses. Our courses tend to have serious problems when we miss fairways, much more punishing than what the pros are experiencing.



    So, now there is a dilemma: You must hit it reasonably long in order to have great scores, yet you likely cannot have great scores if you swing out of your shoes and miss fairways. Jack Grout taught Nicklaus to first hit it hard and long, then work on control. This never worked well for me - I am no Jack Nicklaus. I have found that hitting it straight is somewhat more important to my scores than hitting it far. It is a balance, of course. But often, as you note, hitting it straight also causes you to hit if farther. So, the key to good golf, for me, is to learn to consistently hit the driver in the middle of the face with a square face - smash factor they call it, I think.



    The problem is, how to do same? I overhauled my swing, entirely, a few years back. I went from rotation to weight shift. With rotation not only did my back hurt but I had a lot of bad contact and dispersion. The problem with rotation, at least at my age, is that the clubhead gets so far away from the line and behind me that I cannot get it back, reliably. I went to the Jimmy Ballard method. With this method performend properly you never get the clubhead behind you much - it goes up rather than around - so it is easier to square up at impact. This method leads to dead straight shots and, for me, and more distance because of a better smash factor (not necessarily more clubhead speed, but not less clubhead speed either). So, a good method is key to hitting fairways consistently.



    The other thing that I did was to cut my driver down from 45.5” to 44”. I play the Calloway Epic and I have it set up to 12.5 deg. It came as about a D3 swing weight. By cutting it down it has become incredibly light, I am guessing a low C number like a woman’s swing weight. Rather than adding weight I have just played it as is, and gotten to love the light feel. I have lost no distance by cutting down my shaft, and I am probably even straighter, and I would venture a guess that on average I am a bit longer because I am getting more consistent contact.
  • AllAmericanAllAmerican Members Posts: 6 ✭✭
    Age: 33

    Carry Average: 245

    Handicap: 1 on 72.2/133
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    Another thing to the OP to consider is to consider ballspeed over your clubhead speed. If your impact isn't right you can be loosing 20 yards of distance if say you have a 90 chs but your smash of 1.4. A smash of 1.5 with the same swing speed is 9 mph improvement in ball speed, which could be 20 or more yards to your drives.
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  • gloucesteroldspotgloucesteroldspot Members Posts: 45
    edited Oct 15, 2018 #55
    Age: 46

    Driver SS: no idea

    Driver carry: about 220 yards

    Handicap: 9



    Several people have already commented along the same lines as my own thoughts, but for what it's worth...



    I have played with quite a few seniors bearing single-figure handicaps. None of them have what you'd call a fast swing speed; I could out-drive them unless I mishit it, and I don't swing fast (76mph with a 6 iron, apparently). The biggest difference between them and me was their consistent ability to (a) put the ball in the fairway, and (b) find the green with their second shot (par fours). It didn't matter whether it was a 9 iron or hybrid, or even a 3 wood - they'd stick that ball on the green almost every time. It made me think about my own game and re-evaluate what I was concentrating on, and where I was losing shots.



    You say you give yourself a better than even chance of making par from inside 150 yards, and worse than even from outside that. Assuming you hit 7 iron 150 yards, that sounds like you are wayward with longer irons. If you find yourself 160-170 yards out regularly you either need to gain twenty yards with the driver or learn to hit the longer irons well. The latter will serve you better, as you'll also improve your par three scores.



    Also, there's no point carrying any club around that you can't hit reasonably well 8/10 times. Try this: take out all the clubs with which you wouldn't be prepared to bet a few quid on the outcome of a shot, and play a round or two with just the ones you do have confidence in. That will really highlight how many shots per round you are unable to play, and give you something to focus on improving. Just getting longer with the driver won't make you a better golfer.
  • wacky wombatwacky wombat Members Posts: 117 ✭✭✭
    My driver swing speed floats between 95-105; I usually am closer to 95-100 as I don't like taking full swings and I tend to have a better smash factor when I hover between 95-100. I carry about 245ish and float my handicap between 6-7.
  • gripandripgripandrip Members Posts: 1,028 ✭✭✭✭✭✭
    Age: 57

    Index 3.2

    Swing speed: 105-107

    Carry: About 250/255



    My numbers aren't too far off from the numbers on one of your charts of a senior player. Can't play like them, but distances are about the same.
  • TLUBulldogGolfTLUBulldogGolf Sasquatch Houston, TXMembers Posts: 2,463 ✭✭✭✭✭✭
    edited Oct 15, 2018 #58
    Age: 32

    Index: +2.8, probably not that low if I got some rounds in, was playing well over the summer

    Swing Speed: 116-118

    Carry: 285-295
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  • pinhigh27pinhigh27 Members Posts: 9,703 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭
    BKN1964 wrote:

    Hawkeye77 wrote:


    I'm older, under 100 mph swing speed, 6.7 (it'll be back up around 8 I'm sure by end of next spring, lol). Know guys older than me, same or less swing speed who have much lower handicaps, know younger guys with much faster swing speeds who have higher handicaps. My daughter's boyfriend is easily above 100, young and strong and lucky to break 95, lol.



    Just don't think I'd put a lot of stock in how well anyone plays or potential based off swing speed, nor should you.




    I think I'm looking at it just the opposite. I think we all know that a high swing speed doesn't automatically result in a lower handicap. Sounds like quite a few people here have what I would consider very good handicaps with modest swing speeds, which is what I was attempting to discover with this thread.




    jut111 wrote:


    Op imho you're looking at this wrong. You seem to think that your distance is capped and will limit your potential. First as you can see plenty of low caps that don't hit it a mile.



    Two as a 20 I'm assuming you're swing has plenty of room for improvement. As your swing improves you're likely to hit it further do to improvement in strike, and increased swing speed from better mechanics.




    I don't doubt that my swing could improve. However, based on most of what I've read so far, I can make a LOT of progress by spending

    less time trying to gain more speed, and more time focusing on a) improving my driver accuracy at my current swing speed, and b) improving my ability to score from 150 yards and in. Sounds like a few others could as well.




    A better swing would make your scoring 150 and in better
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    Don't worry about golf specific.
    Compound lifts w/ linear progress
    Don't forget the mobility work.
    More results, more functional

    Spin is not your enemy, everything is a trade-off.
    17 * 1700 goes really far, but doesn't go very straight or consistent
    8* 3500 goes really straight, but doesn't go very far
    Answer for most is somewhere in the middle.
    Pga tour driver avg launch conditions: 11* 2700
  • pinhigh27pinhigh27 Members Posts: 9,703 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭
    SNIPERBBB wrote:


    Another thing to the OP to consider is to consider ballspeed over your clubhead speed. If your impact isn't right you can be loosing 20 yards of distance if say you have a 90 chs but your smash of 1.4. A smash of 1.5 with the same swing speed is 9 mph improvement in ball speed, which could be 20 or more yards to your drives.




    While true, its an assumption most people who are better players hit the ball at least somewhat solid, let's say average smash 1.45 or better so it's a pretty even correlation with clubhead speed
    How to be in better shape for golf?
    Become a better athlete.
    Don't worry about golf specific.
    Compound lifts w/ linear progress
    Don't forget the mobility work.
    More results, more functional

    Spin is not your enemy, everything is a trade-off.
    17 * 1700 goes really far, but doesn't go very straight or consistent
    8* 3500 goes really straight, but doesn't go very far
    Answer for most is somewhere in the middle.
    Pga tour driver avg launch conditions: 11* 2700
  • Krt22Krt22 East BayMembers Posts: 7,403 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭
    edited Oct 15, 2018 #61
    pinhigh27 wrote:

    SNIPERBBB wrote:


    Another thing to the OP to consider is to consider ballspeed over your clubhead speed. If your impact isn't right you can be loosing 20 yards of distance if say you have a 90 chs but your smash of 1.4. A smash of 1.5 with the same swing speed is 9 mph improvement in ball speed, which could be 20 or more yards to your drives.




    While true, its an assumption most people who are better players hit the ball at least somewhat solid, let's say average smash 1.45 or better so it's a pretty even correlation with clubhead speed




    Not to mention the better players will typically have more mechanically sound swings with fewer compensations, which makes generating (or adding additional) speed easier. So if there is a clear correlation between index and CHS, I'd say the CHS is an effect and not the cause.



    Are their some high index players that can generate a ton of speed? Yes of course. Are there low index players that can still get around the course without being lengthy? Yes of course. But statistically I can see why CHS would trend up as index drops.

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