Guys that shoot under par. What clubs?

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  • Carson33Carson33 Posts: 438 ✭✭
    rwhitlock wrote:


    To be honest, I don't think the equipment makes a huge difference. For *me* the biggest improvement was the mental side. Confidence, belief, routines, etc all had a much greater improvement in my score.



    Rod




    Could not agree more!
    Taylormade M5 - 460- 9* - Tour AD IZ
    Taylormade M5 - 14* - Tour AD IZ
    Titleist 816 H2 Hybrids 19* - Tour AD DI
    Titleist TM-B 4-iron - Tour AD DI shaft
    Titleist 718 AP2 5-9, DG Tour Issue X-100
    Titleist Vokey SM6 RAW - 46*, 50*, 56*, 60*, DG Tour Issue S-400
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  • I don't know about more than not, but I do at a decent rate. I use TM M2 (2016 version) never leaving bag and Mizuno MP18 blades, also never leaving the bag.
  • JskiserJskiser Posts: 214
    Taylormade m1 8.5* x stiff tensi orange 80



    Mizuno JPX 900 tours 7.0 px



    Shot 67 last Sunday.

  • emncaityemncaity Posts: 182
    edited Dec 7, 2018 #185
    cb24 wrote:


    My big advice to anyone who to score well, find something you are comfortable and confident with and stick with it and don't even think about getting another set. Once I started to feel comfortable and trust that these Srixons were the right clubs for me then my scores started getting lower




    That's about right. I was a plus-2 also, then a little better than that as a pro briefly, then plus-2 again for several years after regaining amateur status. This was quite some time ago, and the clubs I was hitting then (Staff muscle-blades, mostly) were terrific for the time, but really couldn't hold up against better technology today -- and yet, I was breaking par all the time with them.



    For one thing, it starts with the short game. So the question of "what clubs" has to include that, obviously, although it's unbelievable how few players thinking about a new set will take the PW-GW and their usual chipping clubs over to a practice green to see whether they're going to work there. The rightness of a specific model of iron is more important around the green, if anything, than it is on full shots. Just as one example, one of the things that drove me nuts about newer clubs over the past 20 years was that so many of them were made to keep the ball going forward aggressively no matter where on the face you hit it. For a long time it felt like PW shots around the green were with about an 8.5 iron. Everything just barrelled. So I had to figure out how to handle that, and which clubs minimized that sort of thing.



    For another, as cb24 says, it takes some time to get comfortable enough with a set to get the full potential out of them. Feeling where the sweet spot is to the point where you can usually put it on or close to the ball is not something that happens overnight. There are also nuances of how the shaft loads, what kind of stress you can put on it at the change of direction, etc. that you work into over time. Some clubs you can get the most out of by going after them full-bore. With others, you have to find the rhythm that gets the most out of them. Something in there is going to be a match for what your inclinations are. People who are always changing clubs with the idea that the next set is going to be the magic one are never going to get to the point where they use what they have to full advantage.



    There are lots of excellent forged irons out there these days. Almost without exception, the ones generally referred to as "blades," which are invariably musclebacks, are much more forgiving than MBs or blades from a generation or two ago. You'd probably get through at least 20 or 25 models from at least seven or eight manufacturers before you'd perceive any real decline in performance and feel.



    As for drivers, aside from getting fitted well, that's the club you need to work with the most to get the full distance potential. But basically, they're all long. Find the one you can hit fairways with. Same for fairway metals and hybrids. If you can find a 3-wood you can hit solid and straight for good distance, or one you can hit 15 yards farther but not as straight, keep the first one. Most of the time you're trying to make 4 on par-5s anyway, and 15 yards isn't going to keep you from doing that. If you're hitting it off the tee, the principle is same as driver: Is the difference between 6-iron and 7-iron really worth hitting 30% more of approach shots out of the rough or sand? Toski used to advise (he may have gotten this from Snead) that if you doubt the value of accuracy off the tee, next time you play, take every ball you hit out of the fairway, back it up 10 yards -- even 20 -- put it in the fairway and hit it from there, then see what your score is.



    Re putters, I'm the wrong person to ask. I'm still trying to figure out why any reasonably good player, let alone a tour pro, would ever need a Jetsons putter with an "expanded sweet spot," or whatever. How do you miss the sweet spot on a putter? I'm still using an 8802 replica from the 1980s made by Old Master, switching off with a George Low Wizard replica (unlined) made by MacGregor around 1990 or so, and I don't run across people who putt better. I'm not saying I'd never switch, but I'm trying to figure out what the point is.
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  • tomc262tomc262 Members Posts: 93 ✭✭
    cb24 wrote:


    5 years ago, When I was actually playing really well (for me) and I was in the +2 handicap range I was playing a set of mizuno mp68 irons. Sold those for AP2s and never have brought my game back. I went thru 8 sets of irons over the 3 years after I sold the Mizunos and finally settled on a set of Srixon z965s. I think those under par days are coming back, my birdies are going up as my proximity to the hole is going thru the roof and it's leading to confidence across my game.



    My big advice to anyone who to score well, find something you are comfortable and confident with and stick with it and don't even think about getting another set. Once I started to feel comfortable and trust that these Srixons were the right clubs for me then my scores started getting lower




    This!
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    Callaway SteelheadXR 4+ (16*)
    Titleist 816h2 19* Hybrid (Set to 18*)
    Ben Hogan Golf Ft. Worth Black 4-PW
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  • Ben BerubeBen Berube Benny B Members Posts: 2,484 ✭✭
    Great topic. I once played with this scottish dude with a sunday bag, hiking boots on testing a SQ driver while carrying the bag backwards shoot -2. I was so lost for many years after this about what makes a good player.



    I also played with a guy who was Div 1 in college but cancer derailed his chances. But he was a +3 at the time, set the record low at this course in Dracut MA with a 64 and played Ti Bubbles and TM irons still from college. I laughed at him the first time we met to play after seeing his bag and then he took $220 from my wallet.



    There is a top AM here in NH who was a collegiant pitcher but left with an injury and picked up golf. Well 2-3 years later he wins the State AM as well as a number of other tournies.



    I know one thing, you don’t see very many “stupid” scratch players. In other sports you may find great athletes but are dumb as rocks. Not much in golf. I know folks say DJ isn’t that brite but I would beg the differ.
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    - TC Alpha 816 16* w/Voodoo 7s
    -Tour Issue Dhy Pro 21* / 18* hybrids w/Matrix Tour White/Black Ties
    -Mp63 raw 4-p w/Black Smoke KBS120s
    -Mp10 52-56-60’s
    -Putter - revolving door but lean towards Tour Issue Ody’s

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  • Ben BerubeBen Berube Benny B Members Posts: 2,484 ✭✭

    stk123 wrote:

    cradd10 wrote:



    I don't shoot under more often than not, but i shoot under about 20% of the time. I play g400 lst driver with hzrdus black 75 gram in extra stiff. The irons are Bridgestone j15 cb 3-p with x100 shafts.




    This is why I hate playing in every Member/guest. Guy shoots under par 20% of time and is a 4 handicap.




    If that is true then that is stupid. Either that or you are playing a 6000y course with 68 par rating.



    I finally got to the plus side handicap this year and only broke 70 twice in my life. When I was first starting out, I got to 6handicap while only breaking 80 a few times. No way a 4 handicap breaks par more than once a year at most courses I see, par rating 73ish and 130 slope




    Guess i'm not a 4 handicap anymore then. The course is 6400 and i can overpower it with a driver. The only question is if i'm hitting fairways. I average about 3 over par and definitely get the even par to 1 or 2 under round every 5th round or so. I got my handicap last year at a different track, but was still able to shoot under par around 5 times last year at the tougher course. The course i'm on now is definitely easier, but closer to home. I play around 4 rounds a week. I guess i'll have to test my handicap at the new "easier" course. I just stuck with the handicap from the 7100 course to keep me honest, since most courses aren't as easy as the one i play on regularly now. I would hate to say i'm a 2 handicap and get on a tougher course and shoot 77 or so. All i'm saying is the course i play now is definitely easier and shorter so i can shoot under par every 5th round. Sorry if i have made this confusing to some and got off topic. The op asked for suggestions and i figured i would throw mine out there sorry for the confusion.




    Dude thats why you keep a handicap. It keeps you honest...
    WITB (for this week =)
    - TC GBB 9.0 w/KK SS 60s Proto
    - TC Alpha 816 16* w/Voodoo 7s
    -Tour Issue Dhy Pro 21* / 18* hybrids w/Matrix Tour White/Black Ties
    -Mp63 raw 4-p w/Black Smoke KBS120s
    -Mp10 52-56-60’s
    -Putter - revolving door but lean towards Tour Issue Ody’s

    Testing - Everything and Anything to try and improve. Golf is all what you make of it!



    ***always up for trades***
  • "THE GREEK""THE GREEK" Members Posts: 33 ✭✭
    Ben Berube wrote:

    stk123 wrote:

    cradd10 wrote:



    I don't shoot under more often than not, but i shoot under about 20% of the time. I play g400 lst driver with hzrdus black 75 gram in extra stiff. The irons are Bridgestone j15 cb 3-p with x100 shafts.




    This is why I hate playing in every Member/guest. Guy shoots under par 20% of time and is a 4 handicap.




    If that is true then that is stupid. Either that or you are playing a 6000y course with 68 par rating.



    I finally got to the plus side handicap this year and only broke 70 twice in my life. When I was first starting out, I got to 6handicap while only breaking 80 a few times. No way a 4 handicap breaks par more than once a year at most courses I see, par rating 73ish and 130 slope




    Guess i'm not a 4 handicap anymore then. The course is 6400 and i can overpower it with a driver. The only question is if i'm hitting fairways. I average about 3 over par and definitely get the even par to 1 or 2 under round every 5th round or so. I got my handicap last year at a different track, but was still able to shoot under par around 5 times last year at the tougher course. The course i'm on now is definitely easier, but closer to home. I play around 4 rounds a week. I guess i'll have to test my handicap at the new "easier" course. I just stuck with the handicap from the 7100 course to keep me honest, since most courses aren't as easy as the one i play on regularly now. I would hate to say i'm a 2 handicap and get on a tougher course and shoot 77 or so. All i'm saying is the course i play now is definitely easier and shorter so i can shoot under par every 5th round. Sorry if i have made this confusing to some and got off topic. The op asked for suggestions and i figured i would throw mine out there sorry for the confusion.




    Dude thats why you keep a handicap. It keeps you honest...




    I agree that’s why I downloaded an app to calculate my handicap and it has been corrected in my profile.
  • Ben BerubeBen Berube Benny B Members Posts: 2,484 ✭✭
    hwturner17 wrote:


    My boss uses ping g25 irons with graphite shafts and calls his putter a "ping newport". He's a +2, shoots under par 90% of the time I would guess and has a 59 and a couple 60's on his record. I find it funny that he thinks he knows about clubs and shafts but everything I've head him say is either misunderstood or completely off. It's a nice reminder that we, on golfwrx, live in a bubble of equipment nerds of varying degrees. He recently changed clubs (i210's) and went to steel shafts. Shot under par the first round and said he hated the clubs and shafts compared to his old ones lol




    Does he play the same course all the time? Not for nothing but its like that stand in who beat Rory at The Masters couple years ago. He is the club champ and even in those conditions and with that audiance he bea Rory.



    Why is this club champ not Pro you say? Exactly what I am getting too. You play the same course hundreds even thousands of times you know secrets and all the misses. Plus you don’t worry about anything because, well its the back of your hand.



    This is why the handicap tracker asks “Home” or “away”. As for adding in weather thats something everyone has the same of. Would you really feel good about giving a “rainy day golfer”strokes because all your rounds were “sunny days”, yet you are the same index? No... so suck itup, weather is choice for amatures. When you get to scratch or a + it does not matter.
    WITB (for this week =)
    - TC GBB 9.0 w/KK SS 60s Proto
    - TC Alpha 816 16* w/Voodoo 7s
    -Tour Issue Dhy Pro 21* / 18* hybrids w/Matrix Tour White/Black Ties
    -Mp63 raw 4-p w/Black Smoke KBS120s
    -Mp10 52-56-60’s
    -Putter - revolving door but lean towards Tour Issue Ody’s

    Testing - Everything and Anything to try and improve. Golf is all what you make of it!



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  • Ben BerubeBen Berube Benny B Members Posts: 2,484 ✭✭
    bogeypro wrote:

    gators78 wrote:


    The best guy in the area Nathan Smith (4 time USGA Mid Am Champ) has used pretty much everything. 690MBs at the Merion Walker Cup, had the TM "B" reduced offset irons, played X Hots in the NGL Walker Cup, used Epics for a while, had the regular Callaway Apex irons, he changes clubs a lot.




    I’m a +2.5 and change clubs all the time. It’s a running joke with my friends about how much I change clubs.



    I know what style and what specs fit me so I always get equipment that suits me. It doesn’t seem to affect my scores much.




    You are seriously my hero and what I strive to be. Ho’s will be Ho’s...
    WITB (for this week =)
    - TC GBB 9.0 w/KK SS 60s Proto
    - TC Alpha 816 16* w/Voodoo 7s
    -Tour Issue Dhy Pro 21* / 18* hybrids w/Matrix Tour White/Black Ties
    -Mp63 raw 4-p w/Black Smoke KBS120s
    -Mp10 52-56-60’s
    -Putter - revolving door but lean towards Tour Issue Ody’s

    Testing - Everything and Anything to try and improve. Golf is all what you make of it!



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  • Double Mocha ManDouble Mocha Man Members Posts: 313
    I don't always shoot under par, but when I do I use Callaway XR Pro irons.
    3.0 GHIN Index - trending down
  • matchavezmatchavez Members Posts: 4,073 ✭✭
    Pretty clear theme here...



    The initial thought is that it's not the clubs, it's the player.

    Then it's that players that break par don't change clubs often.

    Then it's players who do change **** well know what the specs are.

    (Sidenote - it's noted that "players" equipment doesn't vary much when equally spec'd)

    Finally, it's where a few players start talking about things that non-scratch players don't and won't understand --



    * Repeatability

    * Nuance of loading

    * Flexibility in different shot types

    * Understanding how head shapes help, etc.

    * How partial shots work per shape

    * Some talk about sticking with a set long enough to find these things



    And an aside, the putter can get stuffed because they're all the same unless they're not the one you like.





    To wrap it all up, scratches understand how clubs perform and their personal specs, so when they do make changes, it is to meet an expectation that they can then be confident with. Once you are confident and repeatable, you start breaking par.



    Sound right?
  • NoFancyUsername.NoFancyUsername. Members Posts: 465 ✭✭
    XR16 Pro driver, FG100's irons.
  • LongballjockLongballjock Members Posts: 160
    I'm a 3 cap in Scotland , handicap system is different. But my average gamegolf handicap is +0.8 for the last 2 seasons. Which is every 18 holes I've played. Some good some really bad.

    But out of my last 10 rounds 4 has been under par.

    I play with Cobra F8 driver

    Taylormade 07 Burner TP 17.5*

    Adams Super 9031 21.5* hybrid

    Lynx Vt 5-pw

    Engage wedges 50/54/60

    Nike method 001 proto flowneck

    All with Graphite shafts, from my sport beaten joints. (I'm 27 and body in taters)

    Added some stats for everyone, as you can see I've shot as low as 4 under but as high as 9 over.
    What's in the bag

    Driver: Cobra F8 9*
    w/ UST elements Chrome
    4wood : Taylormade "07" Burner TP 17.5*
    W/ Fujikura Blur 75x
    Hyrbid: Adams super 9031 21.5*
    W/ Diamana D+ 82s
    Irons : Lynx Prowler VT 5-pw
    W/ Recoil 780 F5
    Wedges: Nike Forged 50* Engage 54*&60* (TS&DS)
    W/ Aldila Multicomp 105
    Putter: Nike Method 001 Flow neck (oven Proto)

    Ball: Callaway Chromesoft X
  • matchavezmatchavez Members Posts: 4,073 ✭✭


    I'm a 3 cap in Scotland , handicap system is different. But my average gamegolf handicap is +0.8 for the last 2 seasons. Which is every 18 holes I've played. Some good some really bad.

    But out of my last 10 rounds 4 has been under par.

    I play with Cobra F8 driver

    Taylormade 07 Burner TP 17.5*

    Adams Super 9031 21.5* hybrid

    Lynx Vt 5-pw

    Engage wedges 50/54/60

    Nike method 001 proto flowneck

    All with Graphite shafts, from my sport beaten joints. (I'm 27 and body in taters)

    Added some stats for everyone, as you can see I've shot as low as 4 under but as high as 9 over.




    You play with 13?
  • LongballjockLongballjock Members Posts: 160
    matchavez wrote:



    I'm a 3 cap in Scotland , handicap system is different. But my average gamegolf handicap is +0.8 for the last 2 seasons. Which is every 18 holes I've played. Some good some really bad.

    But out of my last 10 rounds 4 has been under par.

    I play with Cobra F8 driver

    Taylormade 07 Burner TP 17.5*

    Adams Super 9031 21.5* hybrid

    Lynx Vt 5-pw

    Engage wedges 50/54/60

    Nike method 001 proto flowneck

    All with Graphite shafts, from my sport beaten joints. (I'm 27 and body in taters)

    Added some stats for everyone, as you can see I've shot as low as 4 under but as high as 9 over.




    You play with 13?




    Yeh 13 is my main setup just now , I had a Mizuno Mp18 MMC fli hi 4 iron I throw in every now and again but I don't really need it in the bag to be fair.
    What's in the bag

    Driver: Cobra F8 9*
    w/ UST elements Chrome
    4wood : Taylormade "07" Burner TP 17.5*
    W/ Fujikura Blur 75x
    Hyrbid: Adams super 9031 21.5*
    W/ Diamana D+ 82s
    Irons : Lynx Prowler VT 5-pw
    W/ Recoil 780 F5
    Wedges: Nike Forged 50* Engage 54*&60* (TS&DS)
    W/ Aldila Multicomp 105
    Putter: Nike Method 001 Flow neck (oven Proto)

    Ball: Callaway Chromesoft X
  • GolfjackGolfjack All about the rotation Posts: 944 ✭✭

    stk123 wrote:

    cradd10 wrote:



    I don't shoot under more often than not, but i shoot under about 20% of the time. I play g400 lst driver with hzrdus black 75 gram in extra stiff. The irons are Bridgestone j15 cb 3-p with x100 shafts.




    This is why I hate playing in every Member/guest. Guy shoots under par 20% of time and is a 4 handicap.




    If that is true then that is stupid. Either that or you are playing a 6000y course with 68 par rating.



    I finally got to the plus side handicap this year and only broke 70 twice in my life. When I was first starting out, I got to 6handicap while only breaking 80 a few times. No way a 4 handicap breaks par more than once a year at most courses I see, par rating 73ish and 130 slope




    Guess i'm not a 4 handicap anymore then. The course is 6400 and i can overpower it with a driver. The only question is if i'm hitting fairways. I average about 3 over par and definitely get the even par to 1 or 2 under round every 5th round or so. I got my handicap last year at a different track, but was still able to shoot under par around 5 times last year at the tougher course. The course i'm on now is definitely easier, but closer to home. I play around 4 rounds a week. I guess i'll have to test my handicap at the new "easier" course. I just stuck with the handicap from the 7100 course to keep me honest, since most courses aren't as easy as the one i play on regularly now. I would hate to say i'm a 2 handicap and get on a tougher course and shoot 77 or so. All i'm saying is the course i play now is definitely easier and shorter so i can shoot under par every 5th round. Sorry if i have made this confusing to some and got off topic. The op asked for suggestions and i figured i would throw mine out there sorry for the confusion.


    What do you mean you got your handicap last year? You didn't input any scores from this year? Or you only take tournament scores and didn't play any this year? To have a true handicap you should enter all your scores instead of saying you shoot under par 20 percent of the time yet your handicap doesn't show it because you're not inputting those scores. People don't have a problem with you shooting under par. It's the way you represent your handicap as accurate. Handicaps get adjusted to course ratings. It does seem that you should do some research on how handicap and course ratings work.

    Either that or keep playing since you're clearly a really good golfer who cares about the handicap lol.
    TM M4 Driver 10.5
    TM M4 3 wood 16
    4H (22) Aeroburner TP
    Mizuno MP-15 4, 5 iron, Project X LZ 6.5
    Mizuno MP-5 6-PW, Project X LZ 6.5
    Wedges Mizuno T7 50, 56, 60
    Honma HP 1002

    Alternate set:
    Callaway Epic Sub Zero 9.5, Nike VR Pro 4-PW DG x100, Titleist AP2 712 DG x100 4-P, Callaway Jaws X Series CC Wedges 52 56 60, , Odyssey Arm Lock Putter, Gauge Design Eldik Putter with Superstroke Fatso 5
  • starry1966starry1966 Members Posts: 2
    MP37 and MP001
  • Rip_it406Rip_it406 Members Posts: 28
    I’ve been playing professionally for about a year now and my advice is get your scoring clubs DIALED IN! And figure out how to get those clubs in your hands. Scoring clubs are different for everybody. Could be drivers and wedges for long hitters or mid irons for shorter hitters. I play a M4 8.5 w/ an Accra Fx 470 m5+ in it. I play this because I can hit 20-30 yard fades 310 yards every single time (puts me in the fairway almost every time). I also play a Gapr lo at 18.5 degrees that I’ll hit on narrow holes that goes about 265 in the air. That being said I got lots of short irons and wedges. I have 2 different shots I’m comfortable playing with 7-PW. For those I’m hitting Titleist cbs with px 6.5s. I have three different shots with each wedge. For those I’m hitting sm7 in 50 55 60 with custom grinds using the stock S grind as a base. The rest of my game is pretty average, but my point is that you have to figure out what your strengths are and exploit the SH!@ out them and choosing the right clubs will help you do that.
  • stk123stk123 Members Posts: 446 ✭✭
    I just shot a 71 in a 4 club tournament. Used Driver, 7i, SW (grabbed an old one I hadn't used in months), Putter.



    So no, clubs really don't matter. It was the mindset that I had that day that got me my low score and the W.
  • JClarkGolfJClarkGolf Members Posts: 68
    2016 TM M2 w/ Tour AD-DI shaft. Irons are 2-3 Titleist TMB driving irons w/ Tour AD-DI shafts as well and 4-PW Cobra King black MB's w/ Project X LZ 65 shafts
  • BanjoMinnowBanjoMinnow Members Posts: 7
    edited Dec 16, 2018 #203
    I'm a +2 and I play TM Rac blades with X100's and a Titleist 905R with a Graffaloy NT Proto 65g X, and for me the irons or driver in my bag won't change my score. I play the irons and driver that I play because they fit my eye at address, which gives me mental confidence, and they work for me. As long as I can bring my wedges and putter you could give me a rental set from the local muni, a bucket of balls before teeing it to adjust to the rentals, and I bet I could still break par. I might not hit as many fairways and greens as I would with my clubs but I'll still find a way to score regardless. If you want to shoot consistently better scores, approach your next practice session with the mindset of 'the shorter the club, the longer you need to spend practicing with it.' Learn how to love putting. If you want to lower your scores substantially in the shortest amount of time then find a way to make your putter and wedges your favorite clubs in your bag. If you can find a way to truly love those clubs then it won't matter where you hit your first two shots on every hole.
  • Carson33 wrote:

    rwhitlock wrote:


    To be honest, I don't think the equipment makes a huge difference. For *me* the biggest improvement was the mental side. Confidence, belief, routines, etc all had a much greater improvement in my score.



    Rod




    Could not agree more!




    But, Bubba not winning 2 years playing Volvik but immediate win after switching back to Titleist balls, Tiger also not winning with TM putters but winning with Newport, etc.

    It's the confidence not the equipment, but the confidence is not irrelevant to the equipment?
  • playmuchplaymuch Members Posts: 966 ✭✭
    playing off +0.8. Using Cobra One Length Hybrid, Utility, Irons but normal SW and LW
  • BIG STUBIG STU Members Posts: 11,166 ✭✭
    Obee wrote:


    Currently a +1.1. Been as low as +3.5



    My bag is in my signature. Check if out for a laugh.... :-)
    Always like reading your adventures and about your rounds---- Goes to show what Chisag and myself have basically said for years play what works for you and your game. We have a retiree at out club who is in his 70s--- Everything in his bag except his driver ,putter and an old Trusty Rusty 56* are hybrids. Now he only carries about 5 hybrids but he can utilize them as good as anyone I have seen in person. He shoots his age or close to it quite a bit from the senior tees. Now I will conclude this is the only course he plays and needless to say he knows it like the back of his hand. But I have played with him quite a bit in the last 15 years and needless to say he impresses me.
    Driver: Homna G1-X Homna stock Regular shaft
    FW Adams Tight Lies 16* Diamana Reg
    Irons 3 thru 9 KZG Kyoei Forged CB 1st generation Swing Science 400 Graphite Senior flex
    PW Cleveland Special 588 45* bent to 47* Stock Cleveland Steel Shaft
    SW Cleveland 588 56* DG Sensicore S-300 ( old dependable)
    Putter- 1997 Scotty Cameron Santa Fe Bulls Eye fluted shaft rusty and lead taped as heck named "Rusty"
    Bag-- Jones Classic non stand
    Founding Father of Outlaw Golf Association member #1---- Play what you want **** the USGA & R&A
    Redneck Hippie Golf When the Tailgate drops the BS Stops
    Vintage
    Toney Penna Model 1 Aldila HM-40
    3&4 woods Macgregor DX Keyhole steel TT R
    Irons 2 thru 9 1954 Hogan Precision TT green or 1980 Macgregor VIP 3 thru PW Hogan Apex #2 shafts " The famous Bastardized Macs"
    PW Hogan White Cameo 50* Hogan Apex Wedge
    SW Macgregor LRA 56* S-400 DJ Special-- Will rotate out when old dependable does not behave
    Putter ( subject to change) Lil David 8802
    Bag Old School Power Bilt orange mini staff
  • BIG STUBIG STU Members Posts: 11,166 ✭✭
    Ben Berube wrote:

    hwturner17 wrote:


    My boss uses ping g25 irons with graphite shafts and calls his putter a "ping newport". He's a +2, shoots under par 90% of the time I would guess and has a 59 and a couple 60's on his record. I find it funny that he thinks he knows about clubs and shafts but everything I've head him say is either misunderstood or completely off. It's a nice reminder that we, on golfwrx, live in a bubble of equipment nerds of varying degrees. He recently changed clubs (i210's) and went to steel shafts. Shot under par the first round and said he hated the clubs and shafts compared to his old ones lol




    Does he play the same course all the time? Not for nothing but its like that stand in who beat Rory at The Masters couple years ago. He is the club champ and even in those conditions and with that audiance he bea Rory.



    Why is this club champ not Pro you say? Exactly what I am getting too. You play the same course hundreds even thousands of times you know secrets and all the misses. Plus you don’t worry about anything because, well its the back of your hand.



    This is why the handicap tracker asks “Home” or “away”. As for adding in weather thats something everyone has the same of. Would you really feel good about giving a “rainy day golfer”strokes because all your rounds were “sunny days”, yet you are the same index? No... so suck itup, weather is choice for amatures. When you get to scratch or a + it does not matter.
    That second paragraph relates to the saying "his handicap travels well" or it does not "travel well" . My home course I have played hundreds of times in the last 20 years and like you say " I know every blade of grass on it" The only person living now that has more rounds on it than I do is the guy I described in my last post. A friend of mine who is physically disabled has the software and does all my handicap stuff which is for my own use since I retired from the mini tours and do not play any comps now. I do keep 2 handicaps since I play both somewhat modern equipment and strictly vintage equipment. I play 2 different sets of tees and yardages between the different equipment. The more modern equipment ( in my eyes anyhow) I play the mid tees and the vintage stuff I play the forward or senior tees. If you look at my signature it is self explanatory. I play with 3 different groups in small money matches and everyone knows everyone else's game so we go from there. The one group we call it on about Thursday if we are going to play strictly vintage or not that Saturday.



    I will point out before any of the "rules police or handicap police" say anything I keep my handicap like this for my own reasons. I do not play or intend to play in any amateur handicap events period. I just do my own thing. 5 is my current handicap with modern metals and my handicap travels well not because I am a long hitter or excellent ball striker but I have a good short game.
    Driver: Homna G1-X Homna stock Regular shaft
    FW Adams Tight Lies 16* Diamana Reg
    Irons 3 thru 9 KZG Kyoei Forged CB 1st generation Swing Science 400 Graphite Senior flex
    PW Cleveland Special 588 45* bent to 47* Stock Cleveland Steel Shaft
    SW Cleveland 588 56* DG Sensicore S-300 ( old dependable)
    Putter- 1997 Scotty Cameron Santa Fe Bulls Eye fluted shaft rusty and lead taped as heck named "Rusty"
    Bag-- Jones Classic non stand
    Founding Father of Outlaw Golf Association member #1---- Play what you want **** the USGA & R&A
    Redneck Hippie Golf When the Tailgate drops the BS Stops
    Vintage
    Toney Penna Model 1 Aldila HM-40
    3&4 woods Macgregor DX Keyhole steel TT R
    Irons 2 thru 9 1954 Hogan Precision TT green or 1980 Macgregor VIP 3 thru PW Hogan Apex #2 shafts " The famous Bastardized Macs"
    PW Hogan White Cameo 50* Hogan Apex Wedge
    SW Macgregor LRA 56* S-400 DJ Special-- Will rotate out when old dependable does not behave
    Putter ( subject to change) Lil David 8802
    Bag Old School Power Bilt orange mini staff
  • kthomaskthomas Members Posts: 38 ✭✭
    SpeedyPro wrote:

    Carson33 wrote:

    rwhitlock wrote:


    To be honest, I don't think the equipment makes a huge difference. For *me* the biggest improvement was the mental side. Confidence, belief, routines, etc all had a much greater improvement in my score.



    Rod




    Could not agree more!




    But, Bubba not winning 2 years playing Volvik but immediate win after switching back to Titleist balls, Tiger also not winning with TM putters but winning with Newport, etc.

    It's the confidence not the equipment, but the confidence is not irrelevant to the equipment?




    To some extent, especially to those that focus on equipment more than most.



    But all things equal, I agree that within reason, equipment doesn't make as much of a difference as we make it out to be or would like it to be. It's human nature to buy a quick fix. It's much easier and in a way more rewarding to spend time in a golf store browsing equipment or on eBay than it is to hit 200 bunker shots in a row for practice. I'm certainly guilty of it - tinkering with gear is fun.
  • BIG STUBIG STU Members Posts: 11,166 ✭✭
    ^^^^ kthomas---- Not to be misconstrued I tinker with equipment too but for different reasons than most WRXers and in different fashion. I mess with older stuff and different stuff not for a fix but to see if I can hit it. I work for a metal recycling company and you would not believe the stuff I find and I buy it at employee scrap prices. I have literally salvaged several sets of classic clubs from the scrap heat and shoot darn near my handicap with them unpracticed and straight off the junk pile rust and all. Part of my fun now. Now I know I am not the normal WRXer but then again go over to the classics side and there is a plethora of like minded folks there. Some of the long time members at my club go over to the range to basically as one member puts it "to see what the **** I am hitting now?" but then again there are some guys on the mainstream of WRX everytime they update their bag I go to see what they have gotten next. I am a gearhead too.
    Driver: Homna G1-X Homna stock Regular shaft
    FW Adams Tight Lies 16* Diamana Reg
    Irons 3 thru 9 KZG Kyoei Forged CB 1st generation Swing Science 400 Graphite Senior flex
    PW Cleveland Special 588 45* bent to 47* Stock Cleveland Steel Shaft
    SW Cleveland 588 56* DG Sensicore S-300 ( old dependable)
    Putter- 1997 Scotty Cameron Santa Fe Bulls Eye fluted shaft rusty and lead taped as heck named "Rusty"
    Bag-- Jones Classic non stand
    Founding Father of Outlaw Golf Association member #1---- Play what you want **** the USGA & R&A
    Redneck Hippie Golf When the Tailgate drops the BS Stops
    Vintage
    Toney Penna Model 1 Aldila HM-40
    3&4 woods Macgregor DX Keyhole steel TT R
    Irons 2 thru 9 1954 Hogan Precision TT green or 1980 Macgregor VIP 3 thru PW Hogan Apex #2 shafts " The famous Bastardized Macs"
    PW Hogan White Cameo 50* Hogan Apex Wedge
    SW Macgregor LRA 56* S-400 DJ Special-- Will rotate out when old dependable does not behave
    Putter ( subject to change) Lil David 8802
    Bag Old School Power Bilt orange mini staff
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