Putting with flag in (MERGED)

 3chavgolf ·  
3chavgolf3chavgolf TexMexMembers  186WRX Points: 0Posts: 186
Joined:  in Tour Talk #1
https://www.golf.com/tour-and-news/2018/11/01/bryson-dechambeau-putting-pin-2019-rules/



Interesting read. Wonder how this will play out. Thoughts?
Posted:
«13456713
13

Comments

  • BarfolomewBarfolomew #worstWRXer Members  1930WRX Points: 403Posts: 1,930 Platinum Tees
    Joined:  #2
    We used to leave pin in all the time when putting just to save time and it never got in the way....
    Posted:
    G410 LST
    3 wood M2 HL
    OnOffOnAgain Kuros 4-P
    Cleveland Blob
    SeeMore Butts
  • GolfWRXGolfWRX Warning Points: 0  11 Members Posts: 11 #ad
    Joined:  ...

    Advertisement
  • new2g0lfnew2g0lf Members  3450WRX Points: 363Posts: 3,450 Titanium Tees
    Joined:  #3
    There will be a whole new set of stats that centers on putting and flag sticks. If it's in the rules I don't see why anyone would have a problem.
    Posted:
    Driver - Home Callaway Epic Flash   Away Callaway Rogue Sub Zero 
    Woods - XXIO 10 3W
    Hybrids - XXIO 10 3H, 4H, 5H
    Irons - Home - PXG Gen 2 0311P 5-SW   Away - Callaway Apex CF-19 5-SW
    Wedge - PXG 58* 
    Putter - Seemore Nashville mFGP2 SS Mallet Black
    Ball - KSig, TM TP5X, Snell MTB
  • 3chavgolf3chavgolf TexMex Members  186WRX Points: 0Posts: 186
    Joined:  #4


    Is within the rules, so.....




    I was away from the game for a while and didn’t know that this was coming in 2019.



    I thought that it was interesting and am a fan of this, especially since I play alone most of the time.



    Bryson’s reasoning was interesting and I just wanted to get the opinion of other golfers on this forum as to why he wants to leave the flag in.
    Posted:
  • bladehunterbladehunter south carolinaMembers  30917WRX Points: 7,190Handicap: NONEPosts: 30,917 Titanium Tees
    Joined:  #5
    It’s going to slow things down. In , out , in , out. No way everyone Wants it one way.
    Posted:
  • VindogVindog Don't order the schnitzel. They're using schnauzer! Members  18116WRX Points: 1,051Posts: 18,116 Titanium Tees
    Joined:  edited Nov 1, 2018 #6
    I always leave it in. And mind you under the current rules it is not a penalty to putt with the flag in. Only if your ball hits it is it a penalty.



    The only danger moving forward is if the ball is not completely below the level of the ground. It is not considered "holed" and if the ball pops out as the flagstick is removed then you must play it as it lies.
    Posted:
    run of the mill driver with stock shaft
    a couple of outdated hybrids
    shovel-ier shovels
    wedges from same shovel company
    some putter with a dead insert and
    a hideous grip
  • BrandonDunesBrandonDunes Members  448WRX Points: 137Posts: 448 Greens
    Joined:  #7
    I was playing with an older gentleman that was arguing with me that I cannot tend the flag on the green. According to his view, once on the green the flag had to be out, no exceptions. I hope he doesn't watch much golf.
    Posted:
    Driver - Callaway Epic SZ 10.5º
    3W - Taylor Made Jetspeed HL º17
    H - Callaway Xhot Pro 23º
    Irons - Mizuno JPX919 Hotmetal 5-GW
    SW - Callaway MD3 (S-52º)
    LW - Callaway MD3 (W-58º)
    Putter - Scotty Cameron
  • GolfWRXGolfWRX Warning Points: 0  11 Members Posts: 11 #ad
    Joined:  ...

    Advertisement
  • ShilgyShilgy PhoenixMembers  12533WRX Points: 1,549Handicap: 3.2Posts: 12,533 Titanium Tees
    Joined:  #8
    Vindog wrote:


    I always leave it in. And mind you under the current rules it is not a penalty to putt with the flag in. Only if your ball hits it is it a penalty.



    The only danger moving forward is if the ball is not completely below the level of the ground. It is not considered "holed" and if the ball pops out as the flagstick is removed then you must play it as it lies.
    Rule 13-2C in 2019 if ball is against flagstick and any portion of the ball is below the level of the green it's considered holed.
    Posted:
    WITB
    Tools for the job!


  • imakaveliimakaveli Moli Moli Moli Moli Tommy Tommy Tommy Tommy... Members  13160WRX Points: 1,020Handicap: 3.8Posts: 13,160 Titanium Tees
    Joined:  #9
    It’s going to be a mess, both for pros and amateurs.
    Posted:
  • scoteescotee Members  3597WRX Points: 1,779Posts: 3,597 Titanium Tees
    Joined:  #10
    I remember that Pelz research and was always surprised that nearly all of the pro's take it out to chip. I tend to loose sight of the hole on long putts and look forward to leaving it in. My lag putting is better with the flag in or tended. It seems to give me better depth perception. Also looking forward to the stats for next year. But yeah, they may have opened a can of worms.
    Posted:
    Turn the mass

    OGA member #15

    Lord help me to be the person my dog thinks I am
  • VindogVindog Don't order the schnitzel. They're using schnauzer! Members  18116WRX Points: 1,051Posts: 18,116 Titanium Tees
    Joined:  #11
    Shilgy wrote:

    Vindog wrote:


    I always leave it in. And mind you under the current rules it is not a penalty to putt with the flag in. Only if your ball hits it is it a penalty.



    The only danger moving forward is if the ball is not completely below the level of the ground. It is not considered "holed" and if the ball pops out as the flagstick is removed then you must play it as it lies.
    Rule 13-2C in 2019 if ball is against flagstick and any portion of the ball is below the level of the green it's considered holed.




    Crisis averted!





    I didn't know that, thanks.
    Posted:
    run of the mill driver with stock shaft
    a couple of outdated hybrids
    shovel-ier shovels
    wedges from same shovel company
    some putter with a dead insert and
    a hideous grip
  • larciellarciel I play for eagle Members  2555WRX Points: 295Posts: 2,555 Titanium Tees
    Joined:  #12
    What's wrong with it other than it's something new and against what was norm for 50years?
    Posted:
  • GolfWRXGolfWRX Warning Points: 0  11 Members Posts: 11 #ad
    Joined:  ...

    Advertisement
  • pinhigh27pinhigh27 Members  9823WRX Points: 345Posts: 9,823 Titanium Tees
    Joined:  #13


    I was playing with an older gentleman that was arguing with me that I cannot tend the flag on the green. According to his view, once on the green the flag had to be out, no exceptions. I hope he doesn't watch much golf.




    It's strange how the people who have the poorest understanding of the rules tend to be the ones most adamant about them. If you go to rules subforum you find a lot of people who are actually wrong.
    Posted:
  • rawdograwdog Cleveland, OHMembers  3054WRX Points: 160Handicap: 5.2Posts: 3,054 Titanium Tees
    Joined:  #14
    A smart decision backed by Pelz's research.
    Posted:
    Cobra LTD Driver
    Aldila Rogue Black, 9.5*
    On -, @44.5"

    In1Zone Single Length Fairway Woods
    Graffaloy ProLaunch Axis Blue
    On -, @41.5" 5W = 19*

    Graffaloy ProLaunch Axis Blue
    On -, @41.5" 7W = 23*

    Cobra F7 One Length Irons
    Nippon Modus 105 Stiff @ 36.5"
    6I = 24* 7I = 29* 8I = 34* 9I = 39* PW = 44* GW = 49* SW = 54* LW = 59*
    Odyssey #9 HT Metal X Milled
    On -, @33.5"

    Maxfli SoftFli
  • Pat du GolfPat du Golf Members  553WRX Points: 75Posts: 553 Golden Tee
    Joined:  #15
    In This ESPN’s article, BD is interested in exploring the new flagstick rule to his full advantage.

    What’s your opinion?



    http://www.espn.com/golf/story/_/id/25148845/bryson-dechambeau-plans-leave-flagstick-putting-2019





    PS: I am not the author of this article.
    Posted:
    Mizuno MP 37 3i-pw
    Mizuno MP 64 3i -pw
    Ping G25
    Scotty Newport
    Cleveland wedges
    Prov1x
  • rawdograwdog Cleveland, OHMembers  3054WRX Points: 160Handicap: 5.2Posts: 3,054 Titanium Tees
    Joined:  #16
    It's definitely the way to go.



    My opinion would be to merge this thread with the one literally 5 or less posts below.
    Posted:
    Cobra LTD Driver
    Aldila Rogue Black, 9.5*
    On -, @44.5"

    In1Zone Single Length Fairway Woods
    Graffaloy ProLaunch Axis Blue
    On -, @41.5" 5W = 19*

    Graffaloy ProLaunch Axis Blue
    On -, @41.5" 7W = 23*

    Cobra F7 One Length Irons
    Nippon Modus 105 Stiff @ 36.5"
    6I = 24* 7I = 29* 8I = 34* 9I = 39* PW = 44* GW = 49* SW = 54* LW = 59*
    Odyssey #9 HT Metal X Milled
    On -, @33.5"

    Maxfli SoftFli
  • ebrasmus21ebrasmus21 Serial Shanker CAMembers  6073WRX Points: 1,765Handicap: 2.7Posts: 6,073 Titanium Tees
    Joined:  #17
    rawdog wrote:


    It's definitely the way to go.



    My opinion would be to merge this thread with the one literally 5 or less posts below.




    How dare you.
    Posted:
    G400 LST - TPT proto
    TM M3 - Rogue Silver 110MSI 70S
    21* Fourteen Type 7 Driving Iron - HZRDUS Black 6.5 105g
    4 - PW Mizuno MP 18 MMC - SteelFiber FC115
    50, 54, 60 RC Dual Bite - SteelFiber i125
    Evnroll ER5
    Snell MTB Black
  • GolfWRXGolfWRX Warning Points: 0  11 Members Posts: 11 #ad
    Joined:  ...

    Advertisement
  • rawdograwdog Cleveland, OHMembers  3054WRX Points: 160Handicap: 5.2Posts: 3,054 Titanium Tees
    Joined:  #18
    ebrasmus21 wrote:

    rawdog wrote:


    It's definitely the way to go.



    My opinion would be to merge this thread with the one literally 5 or less posts below.




    How dare you.




    What, leave the pin in? image/biggrin.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':D' />
    Posted:
    Cobra LTD Driver
    Aldila Rogue Black, 9.5*
    On -, @44.5"

    In1Zone Single Length Fairway Woods
    Graffaloy ProLaunch Axis Blue
    On -, @41.5" 5W = 19*

    Graffaloy ProLaunch Axis Blue
    On -, @41.5" 7W = 23*

    Cobra F7 One Length Irons
    Nippon Modus 105 Stiff @ 36.5"
    6I = 24* 7I = 29* 8I = 34* 9I = 39* PW = 44* GW = 49* SW = 54* LW = 59*
    Odyssey #9 HT Metal X Milled
    On -, @33.5"

    Maxfli SoftFli
  • ebrasmus21ebrasmus21 Serial Shanker CAMembers  6073WRX Points: 1,765Handicap: 2.7Posts: 6,073 Titanium Tees
    Joined:  #19
    rawdog wrote:

    ebrasmus21 wrote:

    rawdog wrote:


    It's definitely the way to go.



    My opinion would be to merge this thread with the one literally 5 or less posts below.




    How dare you.




    What, leave the pin in? image/biggrin.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':D' />




    Care to provide any statistical analysis regarding putting flag-in vs flag-out?
    Posted:
    G400 LST - TPT proto
    TM M3 - Rogue Silver 110MSI 70S
    21* Fourteen Type 7 Driving Iron - HZRDUS Black 6.5 105g
    4 - PW Mizuno MP 18 MMC - SteelFiber FC115
    50, 54, 60 RC Dual Bite - SteelFiber i125
    Evnroll ER5
    Snell MTB Black
  • rawdograwdog Cleveland, OHMembers  3054WRX Points: 160Handicap: 5.2Posts: 3,054 Titanium Tees
    Joined:  edited Nov 1, 2018 #20
    ebrasmus21 wrote:

    rawdog wrote:

    ebrasmus21 wrote:

    rawdog wrote:


    It's definitely the way to go.



    My opinion would be to merge this thread with the one literally 5 or less posts below.




    How dare you.




    What, leave the pin in? image/biggrin.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':D' />




    Care to provide any statistical analysis regarding putting flag-in vs flag-out?




    I have, and will continue to, fight the good fight!



    http://www.golfwrx.c...0#entry15067588



    It'll be fun when we have Bryson's (and hopefully others') data.



    EDIT: I guess I was prophetic image/biggrin.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':D' />
    Posted:
    Cobra LTD Driver
    Aldila Rogue Black, 9.5*
    On -, @44.5"

    In1Zone Single Length Fairway Woods
    Graffaloy ProLaunch Axis Blue
    On -, @41.5" 5W = 19*

    Graffaloy ProLaunch Axis Blue
    On -, @41.5" 7W = 23*

    Cobra F7 One Length Irons
    Nippon Modus 105 Stiff @ 36.5"
    6I = 24* 7I = 29* 8I = 34* 9I = 39* PW = 44* GW = 49* SW = 54* LW = 59*
    Odyssey #9 HT Metal X Milled
    On -, @33.5"

    Maxfli SoftFli
  • ebrasmus21ebrasmus21 Serial Shanker CAMembers  6073WRX Points: 1,765Handicap: 2.7Posts: 6,073 Titanium Tees
    Joined:  #21
    rawdog wrote:

    ebrasmus21 wrote:

    rawdog wrote:

    ebrasmus21 wrote:

    rawdog wrote:


    It's definitely the way to go.



    My opinion would be to merge this thread with the one literally 5 or less posts below.




    How dare you.




    What, leave the pin in? image/biggrin.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':D' />




    Care to provide any statistical analysis regarding putting flag-in vs flag-out?




    I have, and will continue to, fight the good fight!



    http://www.golfwrx.com/forums/topic/1450596-usga-proposes-to-modernize-rules-of-golf/page__st__120#entry15067588



    It'll be fun when we have Bryson's (and hopefully others') data.




    Lmao. Of course you ALREADY made a post about this in 2017.
    Posted:
    G400 LST - TPT proto
    TM M3 - Rogue Silver 110MSI 70S
    21* Fourteen Type 7 Driving Iron - HZRDUS Black 6.5 105g
    4 - PW Mizuno MP 18 MMC - SteelFiber FC115
    50, 54, 60 RC Dual Bite - SteelFiber i125
    Evnroll ER5
    Snell MTB Black
  • rawdograwdog Cleveland, OHMembers  3054WRX Points: 160Handicap: 5.2Posts: 3,054 Titanium Tees
    Joined:  #22
    ebrasmus21 wrote:




    Lmao. Of course you ALREADY made a post about this in 2017.




    My SS = 100mph

    My best friend and playing partner = 120mph



    I can't leave any stone unturned!



    Wait til you see me post about my sidesaddle putting...
    Posted:
    Cobra LTD Driver
    Aldila Rogue Black, 9.5*
    On -, @44.5"

    In1Zone Single Length Fairway Woods
    Graffaloy ProLaunch Axis Blue
    On -, @41.5" 5W = 19*

    Graffaloy ProLaunch Axis Blue
    On -, @41.5" 7W = 23*

    Cobra F7 One Length Irons
    Nippon Modus 105 Stiff @ 36.5"
    6I = 24* 7I = 29* 8I = 34* 9I = 39* PW = 44* GW = 49* SW = 54* LW = 59*
    Odyssey #9 HT Metal X Milled
    On -, @33.5"

    Maxfli SoftFli
  • GolfWRXGolfWRX Warning Points: 0  11 Members Posts: 11 #ad
    Joined:  ...

    Advertisement
  • Holy MosesHoly Moses Members  11065WRX Points: 848Posts: 11,065 Titanium Tees
    Joined:  #23
    Only an organization as backwards as the USGA would permit a stupid rule like this new flagstick rule. No reason for it on the PGA Tour.
    Posted:
    Ping G30 LS Tec 10* (DI-6X)
    Ping G30 3W 14.5* (Tensei CK Pro Blue 70 X)
    Ping G400 Crossover 19* (Tensei CK Pro Blue 80 S)
    Ping i20 4-UW (PX 6.0)
    Ping Glide 2.0 56*SS, 60*ES (PX 6.0)
    Ping Vault Arna
  • rawdograwdog Cleveland, OHMembers  3054WRX Points: 160Handicap: 5.2Posts: 3,054 Titanium Tees
    Joined:  #24
    Holy Moses wrote:


    Only an organization as backwards as the USGA would permit a stupid rule like this new flagstick rule. No reason for it on the PGA Tour.




    Genuinely curious your reasoning.



    Making it too easy? Pace of play? Those seem to be the ones I read the most.
    Posted:
    Cobra LTD Driver
    Aldila Rogue Black, 9.5*
    On -, @44.5"

    In1Zone Single Length Fairway Woods
    Graffaloy ProLaunch Axis Blue
    On -, @41.5" 5W = 19*

    Graffaloy ProLaunch Axis Blue
    On -, @41.5" 7W = 23*

    Cobra F7 One Length Irons
    Nippon Modus 105 Stiff @ 36.5"
    6I = 24* 7I = 29* 8I = 34* 9I = 39* PW = 44* GW = 49* SW = 54* LW = 59*
    Odyssey #9 HT Metal X Milled
    On -, @33.5"

    Maxfli SoftFli
  • Holy MosesHoly Moses Members  11065WRX Points: 848Posts: 11,065 Titanium Tees
    Joined:  #25
    rawdog wrote:

    Holy Moses wrote:


    Only an organization as backwards as the USGA would permit a stupid rule like this new flagstick rule. No reason for it on the PGA Tour.




    Genuinely curious your reasoning.



    Making it too easy? Pace of play? Those seem to be the ones I read the most.




    Golf historically is about getting the ball into the hole unaided with a flagstick while on the green. A flagstick can keep a ball out of the hole that should be in it and in it when it should be out of it. The PGA Tour and high level championships have no need to improve pace of play like this when they employee caddies. Turns the game into a clownshow. Bryson is already planning on using an unecesary rule to his advantage.
    Posted:
    Ping G30 LS Tec 10* (DI-6X)
    Ping G30 3W 14.5* (Tensei CK Pro Blue 70 X)
    Ping G400 Crossover 19* (Tensei CK Pro Blue 80 S)
    Ping i20 4-UW (PX 6.0)
    Ping Glide 2.0 56*SS, 60*ES (PX 6.0)
    Ping Vault Arna
  • Bingo1976Bingo1976 Members  2603WRX Points: 302Handicap: 6.8Posts: 2,603 Titanium Tees
    Joined:  #26
    Holy Moses wrote:

    rawdog wrote:

    Holy Moses wrote:


    Only an organization as backwards as the USGA would permit a stupid rule like this new flagstick rule. No reason for it on the PGA Tour.




    Genuinely curious your reasoning.



    Making it too easy? Pace of play? Those seem to be the ones I read the most.




    Golf historically is about getting the ball into the hole unaided with a flagstick while on the green. A flagstick can keep a ball out of the hole that should be in it and in it when it should be out of it. The PGA Tour and high level championships have no need to improve pace of play like this when they employee caddies. Turns the game into a clownshow. Bryson is already planning on using an unecesary rule to his advantage.




    I can see it slowing down the pro game as each player will want it in or out.



    I don't see flags being in or out being a cause of slow play at the amateur level. It just seems like a dumbing down of the game - the flag is there to show where the hole is, usually when you are off the green (i.e. teeing ground, fairway eyc.) It's not meant to be present when you have a realistic chance of holing your shot (most usually whilst putting).



    And as you can't post scores playing alone, it doesn't affect singles anyway.
    Posted:
    [font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]Srixon z565 Speeder 569 Evo IV SR[/font]
    [font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]TaylorMade RBZ 3 wood, [/font][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]Matrix Ozik R[/font]
    [font="helvetica, arial, sans-serif"]Srixon U65 2 iron, Miyazaki S[/font]
    [font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]Cobra F6 Hybrid 22 degrees RedTie S[/font]
    [font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]Srixon z945 5-pw w/ DG s200[/font]
    [font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]Miura Y 51 and K 56 DG Spinner, Yururi Raw 61 KBS [/font][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]HiRev[/font]
    [font="helvetica, arial, sans-serif"]Odyssey O-Works Black 34"[/font]
  • Holy MosesHoly Moses Members  11065WRX Points: 848Posts: 11,065 Titanium Tees
    Joined:  edited Nov 1, 2018 #27
    Be it slow play or whatever reason you want there to be, there is no way that in any high level tournament you should be able to hit the ball against the pin with a putter on the green. Putting with the pin out is as basic to the game as getting penalized for dropping out of a water hazard and playing the ball as it lies.
    Posted:
    Ping G30 LS Tec 10* (DI-6X)
    Ping G30 3W 14.5* (Tensei CK Pro Blue 70 X)
    Ping G400 Crossover 19* (Tensei CK Pro Blue 80 S)
    Ping i20 4-UW (PX 6.0)
    Ping Glide 2.0 56*SS, 60*ES (PX 6.0)
    Ping Vault Arna
  • GolfWRXGolfWRX Warning Points: 0  11 Members Posts: 11 #ad
    Joined:  ...

    Advertisement
  • wcbjrwcbjr Members  2926WRX Points: 180Handicap: 1.2Posts: 2,926 Titanium Tees
    Joined:  #28
    Holy Moses wrote:


    Be it slow play or whatever reason you want there to be, there is no way that in amy high level tournament you should be able to hit the ball against the pin with a putter on the green. Putting with the pin out is as basic to the game as getting penalized for dropping out of a water hazard and playing the ball as it lies.






    And we shouldn't be able to mark the ball on the green. Stymies galore!
    Posted:
13

Leave a Comment

Rich Text Editor. To edit a paragraph's style, hit tab to get to the paragraph menu. From there you will be able to pick one style. Nothing defaults to paragraph. An inline formatting menu will show up when you select text. Hit tab to get into that menu. Some elements, such as rich link embeds, images, loading indicators, and error messages may get inserted into the editor. You may navigate to these using the arrow keys inside of the editor and delete them with the delete or backspace key.