Putting with flag in (MERGED)

3chavgolf3chavgolf TexMexMembers Posts: 186
https://www.golf.com/tour-and-news/2018/11/01/bryson-dechambeau-putting-pin-2019-rules/



Interesting read. Wonder how this will play out. Thoughts?
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  • Golfer4LifeGolfer4Life “Don’t bother me with your pettiness” Lake Placid, N.Y. Whiteface G.C.ClubWRX Posts: 2,323 ✭✭
    Is within the rules, so.....
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  • BarfolomewBarfolomew #worstWRXer Members Posts: 1,244 ✭✭
    We used to leave pin in all the time when putting just to save time and it never got in the way....
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  • new2g0lfnew2g0lf Members Posts: 3,382 ✭✭
    There will be a whole new set of stats that centers on putting and flag sticks. If it's in the rules I don't see why anyone would have a problem.
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  • 3chavgolf3chavgolf TexMex Members Posts: 186


    Is within the rules, so.....




    I was away from the game for a while and didn’t know that this was coming in 2019.



    I thought that it was interesting and am a fan of this, especially since I play alone most of the time.



    Bryson’s reasoning was interesting and I just wanted to get the opinion of other golfers on this forum as to why he wants to leave the flag in.
  • bladehunterbladehunter Today was a good day.... Members Posts: 25,833 ✭✭
    It’s going to slow things down. In , out , in , out. No way everyone Wants it one way.
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  • VindogVindog Don't order the schnitzel. They're using schnauzer! Members Posts: 17,495 ✭✭
    edited Nov 1, 2018 #7
    I always leave it in. And mind you under the current rules it is not a penalty to putt with the flag in. Only if your ball hits it is it a penalty.



    The only danger moving forward is if the ball is not completely below the level of the ground. It is not considered "holed" and if the ball pops out as the flagstick is removed then you must play it as it lies.
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  • BrandonDunesBrandonDunes Members Posts: 334 ✭✭
    I was playing with an older gentleman that was arguing with me that I cannot tend the flag on the green. According to his view, once on the green the flag had to be out, no exceptions. I hope he doesn't watch much golf.
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  • ShilgyShilgy Members Posts: 11,387 ✭✭
    Vindog wrote:


    I always leave it in. And mind you under the current rules it is not a penalty to putt with the flag in. Only if your ball hits it is it a penalty.



    The only danger moving forward is if the ball is not completely below the level of the ground. It is not considered "holed" and if the ball pops out as the flagstick is removed then you must play it as it lies.
    Rule 13-2C in 2019 if ball is against flagstick and any portion of the ball is below the level of the green it's considered holed.
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  • imakaveliimakaveli Moli Moli Moli Moli Tommy Tommy Tommy Tommy... Members Posts: 12,631 ✭✭
    It’s going to be a mess, both for pros and amateurs.
  • scoteescotee Members Posts: 3,385 ✭✭
    I remember that Pelz research and was always surprised that nearly all of the pro's take it out to chip. I tend to loose sight of the hole on long putts and look forward to leaving it in. My lag putting is better with the flag in or tended. It seems to give me better depth perception. Also looking forward to the stats for next year. But yeah, they may have opened a can of worms.
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  • VindogVindog Don't order the schnitzel. They're using schnauzer! Members Posts: 17,495 ✭✭
    Shilgy wrote:

    Vindog wrote:


    I always leave it in. And mind you under the current rules it is not a penalty to putt with the flag in. Only if your ball hits it is it a penalty.



    The only danger moving forward is if the ball is not completely below the level of the ground. It is not considered "holed" and if the ball pops out as the flagstick is removed then you must play it as it lies.
    Rule 13-2C in 2019 if ball is against flagstick and any portion of the ball is below the level of the green it's considered holed.




    Crisis averted!





    I didn't know that, thanks.
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  • larciellarciel I play for eagle Members Posts: 2,248 ✭✭
    What's wrong with it other than it's something new and against what was norm for 50years?
  • pinhigh27pinhigh27 Members Posts: 9,586 ✭✭


    I was playing with an older gentleman that was arguing with me that I cannot tend the flag on the green. According to his view, once on the green the flag had to be out, no exceptions. I hope he doesn't watch much golf.




    It's strange how the people who have the poorest understanding of the rules tend to be the ones most adamant about them. If you go to rules subforum you find a lot of people who are actually wrong.
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  • rawdograwdog Cleveland, OHMembers Posts: 3,015 ✭✭
    A smart decision backed by Pelz's research.
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  • Pat du GolfPat du Golf Members Posts: 553 ✭✭
    In This ESPN’s article, BD is interested in exploring the new flagstick rule to his full advantage.

    What’s your opinion?



    http://www.espn.com/golf/story/_/id/25148845/bryson-dechambeau-plans-leave-flagstick-putting-2019





    PS: I am not the author of this article.
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  • rawdograwdog Cleveland, OHMembers Posts: 3,015 ✭✭
    It's definitely the way to go.



    My opinion would be to merge this thread with the one literally 5 or less posts below.
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  • ebrasmus21ebrasmus21 Serial Shanker CAMembers Posts: 5,328 ✭✭
    rawdog wrote:


    It's definitely the way to go.



    My opinion would be to merge this thread with the one literally 5 or less posts below.




    How dare you.
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  • rawdograwdog Cleveland, OHMembers Posts: 3,015 ✭✭
    ebrasmus21 wrote:

    rawdog wrote:


    It's definitely the way to go.



    My opinion would be to merge this thread with the one literally 5 or less posts below.




    How dare you.




    What, leave the pin in? image/biggrin.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':D' />
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  • ebrasmus21ebrasmus21 Serial Shanker CAMembers Posts: 5,328 ✭✭
    rawdog wrote:

    ebrasmus21 wrote:

    rawdog wrote:


    It's definitely the way to go.



    My opinion would be to merge this thread with the one literally 5 or less posts below.




    How dare you.




    What, leave the pin in? image/biggrin.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':D' />




    Care to provide any statistical analysis regarding putting flag-in vs flag-out?
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  • rawdograwdog Cleveland, OHMembers Posts: 3,015 ✭✭
    edited Nov 1, 2018 #21
    ebrasmus21 wrote:

    rawdog wrote:

    ebrasmus21 wrote:

    rawdog wrote:


    It's definitely the way to go.



    My opinion would be to merge this thread with the one literally 5 or less posts below.




    How dare you.




    What, leave the pin in? image/biggrin.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':D' />




    Care to provide any statistical analysis regarding putting flag-in vs flag-out?




    I have, and will continue to, fight the good fight!



    http://www.golfwrx.c...0#entry15067588



    It'll be fun when we have Bryson's (and hopefully others') data.



    EDIT: I guess I was prophetic image/biggrin.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':D' />
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  • ebrasmus21ebrasmus21 Serial Shanker CAMembers Posts: 5,328 ✭✭
    rawdog wrote:

    ebrasmus21 wrote:

    rawdog wrote:

    ebrasmus21 wrote:

    rawdog wrote:


    It's definitely the way to go.



    My opinion would be to merge this thread with the one literally 5 or less posts below.




    How dare you.




    What, leave the pin in? image/biggrin.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':D' />




    Care to provide any statistical analysis regarding putting flag-in vs flag-out?




    I have, and will continue to, fight the good fight!



    http://www.golfwrx.com/forums/topic/1450596-usga-proposes-to-modernize-rules-of-golf/page__st__120#entry15067588



    It'll be fun when we have Bryson's (and hopefully others') data.




    Lmao. Of course you ALREADY made a post about this in 2017.
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  • rawdograwdog Cleveland, OHMembers Posts: 3,015 ✭✭
    ebrasmus21 wrote:




    Lmao. Of course you ALREADY made a post about this in 2017.




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  • Holy MosesHoly Moses Members Posts: 10,462 ✭✭
    Only an organization as backwards as the USGA would permit a stupid rule like this new flagstick rule. No reason for it on the PGA Tour.
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    Holy Moses wrote:


    Only an organization as backwards as the USGA would permit a stupid rule like this new flagstick rule. No reason for it on the PGA Tour.




    Genuinely curious your reasoning.



    Making it too easy? Pace of play? Those seem to be the ones I read the most.
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  • Holy MosesHoly Moses Members Posts: 10,462 ✭✭
    rawdog wrote:

    Holy Moses wrote:


    Only an organization as backwards as the USGA would permit a stupid rule like this new flagstick rule. No reason for it on the PGA Tour.




    Genuinely curious your reasoning.



    Making it too easy? Pace of play? Those seem to be the ones I read the most.




    Golf historically is about getting the ball into the hole unaided with a flagstick while on the green. A flagstick can keep a ball out of the hole that should be in it and in it when it should be out of it. The PGA Tour and high level championships have no need to improve pace of play like this when they employee caddies. Turns the game into a clownshow. Bryson is already planning on using an unecesary rule to his advantage.
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  • Golfer4LifeGolfer4Life “Don’t bother me with your pettiness” Lake Placid, N.Y. Whiteface G.C.ClubWRX Posts: 2,323 ✭✭
    3chavgolf wrote:



    Is within the rules, so.....




    I was away from the game for a while and didn’t know that this was coming in 2019.



    I thought that it was interesting and am a fan of this, especially since I play alone most of the time.



    Bryson’s reasoning was interesting and I just wanted to get the opinion of other golfers on this forum as to why he wants to leave the flag in.




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  • Bingo1976Bingo1976 Members Posts: 2,507 ✭✭
    Holy Moses wrote:

    rawdog wrote:

    Holy Moses wrote:


    Only an organization as backwards as the USGA would permit a stupid rule like this new flagstick rule. No reason for it on the PGA Tour.




    Genuinely curious your reasoning.



    Making it too easy? Pace of play? Those seem to be the ones I read the most.




    Golf historically is about getting the ball into the hole unaided with a flagstick while on the green. A flagstick can keep a ball out of the hole that should be in it and in it when it should be out of it. The PGA Tour and high level championships have no need to improve pace of play like this when they employee caddies. Turns the game into a clownshow. Bryson is already planning on using an unecesary rule to his advantage.




    I can see it slowing down the pro game as each player will want it in or out.



    I don't see flags being in or out being a cause of slow play at the amateur level. It just seems like a dumbing down of the game - the flag is there to show where the hole is, usually when you are off the green (i.e. teeing ground, fairway eyc.) It's not meant to be present when you have a realistic chance of holing your shot (most usually whilst putting).



    And as you can't post scores playing alone, it doesn't affect singles anyway.
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  • Holy MosesHoly Moses Members Posts: 10,462 ✭✭
    edited Nov 1, 2018 #29
    Be it slow play or whatever reason you want there to be, there is no way that in any high level tournament you should be able to hit the ball against the pin with a putter on the green. Putting with the pin out is as basic to the game as getting penalized for dropping out of a water hazard and playing the ball as it lies.
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  • Golfer4LifeGolfer4Life “Don’t bother me with your pettiness” Lake Placid, N.Y. Whiteface G.C.ClubWRX Posts: 2,323 ✭✭
    Bingo1976 wrote:

    Holy Moses wrote:

    rawdog wrote:

    Holy Moses wrote:


    Only an organization as backwards as the USGA would permit a stupid rule like this new flagstick rule. No reason for it on the PGA Tour.




    Genuinely curious your reasoning.



    Making it too easy? Pace of play? Those seem to be the ones I read the most.




    Golf historically is about getting the ball into the hole unaided with a flagstick while on the green. A flagstick can keep a ball out of the hole that should be in it and in it when it should be out of it. The PGA Tour and high level championships have no need to improve pace of play like this when they employee caddies. Turns the game into a clownshow. Bryson is already planning on using an unecesary rule to his advantage.




    I can see it slowing down the pro game as each player will want it in or out.



    I don't see flags being in or out being a cause of slow play at the amateur level. It just seems like a dumbing down of the game - the flag is there to show where the hole is, usually when you are off the green (i.e. teeing ground, fairway eyc.) It's not meant to be present when you have a realistic chance of holing your shot (most usually whilst putting).



    And as you can't post scores playing alone, it doesn't affect singles anyway.




    Can it be any slower? Lol...
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  • wcbjrwcbjr Members Posts: 2,791 ✭✭
    Holy Moses wrote:


    Be it slow play or whatever reason you want there to be, there is no way that in amy high level tournament you should be able to hit the ball against the pin with a putter on the green. Putting with the pin out is as basic to the game as getting penalized for dropping out of a water hazard and playing the ball as it lies.






    And we shouldn't be able to mark the ball on the green. Stymies galore!
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