2019 Golf Association of Philadelphia Major Schedule

DrudershDrudersh ClubWRX Posts: 2,911 ClubWRX
Usually we have to wait until the Winter issue of GAP Magazine to find out where the Major's will be played the following year, however this year Christmas came early and the major venues were released on the last page of the fall issue.



Following a so-so 2018 schedule with the best of the bunch being Gulph Mills by a mile, the 2019 schedule is tougher in terms of the actual courses that will be played, and significantly better as a whole. In my opinion, it's a wonderful rota and I'll be hoping to play in as many of these events as I can.



36th GAP Mid-Am - Rolling Green Golf Club - A familiar venue for many in the GAP circuit, Rolling Green is a wonderful layout and a great mix of scoreable holes and long difficult holes. I've heard members complain about the conditioning over the last few years but have heard it's improved significantly and every time I've played there it's been excellent. I really enjoy the course start to finish and think it's a great venue especially for the Mid-Am.



119th GAP Amateur Championship - Stonewall (Old/North) - Another terrific, albeit not terribly convenient venue. I've never played the North and it's been years since I played the Old but remember it being a really strong test of golf with plenty of opportunities to post a crooked number. Stonewall was the host site of the 2016 USGA Mid-Am which saw Stewart Hagestad 4 down with 4 to play only to birdie 5 holes in a row and win on the first playoff hole.

Amazing to watch if you haven't seen the highlights - https://www.usga.org/videos/2016/09/15/usga_midam_championshiphighlight-mov-5127204981001.html



115th Open Championship - Huntingdon Valley Country Club - Another stout test of golf. If this course is firm in the middle of July it will be an absolute bear to contend with. There's a reason a lot of the best players in the region hail from HVCC as the course demands length, accurate driving, good putting and better iron play.



117th Joseph H. Patterson Cup - Applebrook Golf Club - Built in the early 2000's, Applebrook is one of the best courses you may not have played or even heard of in the Philadelphia area. It's a big, links style course with impeccable conditions and an extremely difficult test from the back tees. Plenty of space to hit the ball off the tee, but penalizes you on either side of the fairways if you're truly spraying the ball. This course in tournament condition is one of the hardest you'll find in the region.
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  • NolesNoles Members Posts: 1,423 ✭✭
    Strong. When does the full schedule usually come out?
  • rahatbmcrahatbmc Members Posts: 68 ✭✭
    Noles wrote:


    Strong. When does the full schedule usually come out?


    The full schedule including GAP Team Matches should be out by March 1st.

  • Craigstands17Craigstands17 This Isn't Where I Parked My Cart Members Posts: 239 ✭✭
    I saw this in the Fall issue as well and have to agree that is a wonder rota of courses in 2019. I am a very big fan of Stonewall both the Old and North are terrific courses. The Old from the back tees they used in the '16 Mid Am is a great test of your golf game
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  • BRS2014BRS2014 Respect the game Members Posts: 320
    I think I am going to try to qualify for the GAP Amatuer as a NJ Resident just north of the GAP/MGA cutoff. I'll have to pay for a handicap out of Mercer Oaks to make this happen but it would be worth it to play Stonewall!
  • andyk856andyk856 Members Posts: 164 ✭✭
    Can't wait, i'll be playing in a lot of GAP events this year.
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  • DrudershDrudersh ClubWRX Posts: 2,911 ClubWRX
    edited Jan 16, 2019 2:57pm #7
    Full schedule has been posted including qualifying locations for losers like me who aren't exempt this year.



    Mid-Amateur - Olde Homestead Golf Course - never heard of it but from the hole by hole it looks like the hardest golf course in PA (4/13)

    Coatesville Country Club - I haven't played it for a few years but I remember a mix of truly great holes and really bad holes (4/23)

    North Hills - Never played it but have heard it's tight and short (4/30)

    Elmhurst Country Club - Never heard of this one either but google tells me its up in Scranton (5/1)



    Am Qualifying - Hartefeld National - Good layout, fun course, heard they were having a lot of trouble with conditions last year (5/7)

    Glenmaura - Never played it, hear it's awesome but it's a hike, north of Wilkes-Barre (5/9)

    Brookside (Allentown, not Pottstown) - Have never played or heard anything about it. Hole by hole is uninspiring (5/18)

    White Manor - Awesome course, one of my favorites, will probably be the venue most of the better players choose (5/20)



    Open Championship - Golden Oaks - All around decent course, always seems to give up crazy low numbers in qualifying (6/19)

    Wyoming Valley - Played a GAP match there a while ago, this is Tillinghast's **** of a layout. Also in Scranton (7/1)

    Bluestone - Very average course, on the tighter side but not bad overall (7/1)



    Patterson Cup - Great Bear - Never heard of it, hole by hole looks pretty cool though. Poconos course and looks tight (7/23)

    Green Valley - Co-host of the AM last year, supposed to be good but I haven't played it (7/24)

    Riverton - Never heard of it but the hole by hole looks really, really good. Might be worth checking out (7/25)
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  • Bureman96Bureman96 Members Posts: 3
    For the GAP qualifiers and tournaments, do you really need a 7 handicap or lower to be able to play as the website says? With an 8 will it not let you sign up?
  • DrudershDrudersh ClubWRX Posts: 2,911 ClubWRX
    Bureman96 wrote:


    For the GAP qualifiers and tournaments, do you really need a 7 handicap or lower to be able to play as the website says? With an 8 will it not let you sign up?




    That’s correct you won’t be able to complete the sign up through the website.
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  • BenzoBenzo Members Posts: 1,546 ✭✭
    Bureman96 wrote:


    For the GAP qualifiers and tournaments, do you really need a 7 handicap or lower to be able to play as the website says? With an 8 will it not let you sign up?
    unless you’re an 8 who can shoot +4 with tourney conditions and courses at their best, you’re wasting your time.



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  • BenzoBenzo Members Posts: 1,546 ✭✭
    sign me up for white manor and riverton qualifying...



    great venues this year! can’t wait
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  • Benzo wrote:
    Bureman96 wrote:


    For the GAP qualifiers and tournaments, do you really need a 7 handicap or lower to be able to play as the website says? With an 8 will it not let you sign up?
    unless you’re an 8 who can shoot +4 with tourney conditions and courses at their best, you’re wasting your time.




    Haha yea I figured that, but with WM being my home course figured I’d give it a try. Is 4 over usually the cut off qualifying at these?
  • DrudershDrudersh ClubWRX Posts: 2,911 ClubWRX
    Bureman96 wrote:

    Benzo wrote:
    Bureman96 wrote:


    For the GAP qualifiers and tournaments, do you really need a 7 handicap or lower to be able to play as the website says? With an 8 will it not let you sign up?
    unless you’re an 8 who can shoot +4 with tourney conditions and courses at their best, you’re wasting your time.




    Haha yea I figured that, but with WM being my home course figured I’d give it a try. Is 4 over usually the cut off qualifying at these?




    Heavily dependent on the venue and weather conditions/event you're attempting to qualify for. I've seen cuts as high at +10 and +11 for GAP Mid Am qualifiers that are played in bad conditions and as low as +2 - +3 for the Mid Am in good conditions. Cuts can be as low as +1/E for Am Qualifiers played in good conditions on get-table courses.



    My guess is the cut line at White Manor will be somewhere in the realm of +3 to +5 depending on the weather.
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  • BenzoBenzo Members Posts: 1,546 ✭✭
    Drudersh is right...



    I’ve qualified being +6 and then I’ve been in playoffs shooting +1. Completely course and conditions dictate it.



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  • Craigstands17Craigstands17 This Isn't Where I Parked My Cart Members Posts: 239 ✭✭
    Drudersh- Kennett Sq seems to be in line for some nice away course matches for the GAP Team Matches this year
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    Drudersh- Kennett Sq seems to be in line for some nice away course matches for the GAP Team Matches this year




    Ohhhh yea big time. Lancaster, Manufacturer's and Heidelberg. The only one I'm not familiar with is Heidelberg. Looking forward to Manny's though and Lancaster is one of the best courses in the US. If you haven't played Lancaster, put it at the very top of your priority list and find a way to get on.



    I always play away no matter the course. I love seeing new tracks, plus when something like Lancaster pops up you've paid your dues and have priority.
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    Drudersh wrote:



    Drudersh- Kennett Sq seems to be in line for some nice away course matches for the GAP Team Matches this year




    Ohhhh yea big time. Lancaster, Manufacturer's and Heidelberg. The only one I'm not familiar with is Heidelberg. Looking forward to Manny's though and Lancaster is one of the best courses in the US. If you haven't played Lancaster, put it at the very top of your priority list and find a way to get on.



    I always play away no matter the course. I love seeing new tracks, plus when something like Lancaster pops up you've paid your dues and have priority.




    Saw that lineup and my first thought was man, Drudersh is in line to play Lancaster. I'm a big fan of Lancaster it falls under the radar in the national spotlight but I was fortunate to play it several times in college and its one of my favorite PA courses. Manny's no slouch either and yeah only one i didn't recognize right off hand was Heidelberg, seems like you always end up traveling up to that area each year for these matches.
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  • DrudershDrudersh ClubWRX Posts: 2,911 ClubWRX

    Drudersh wrote:



    Drudersh- Kennett Sq seems to be in line for some nice away course matches for the GAP Team Matches this year




    Ohhhh yea big time. Lancaster, Manufacturer's and Heidelberg. The only one I'm not familiar with is Heidelberg. Looking forward to Manny's though and Lancaster is one of the best courses in the US. If you haven't played Lancaster, put it at the very top of your priority list and find a way to get on.



    I always play away no matter the course. I love seeing new tracks, plus when something like Lancaster pops up you've paid your dues and have priority.




    Saw that lineup and my first thought was man, Drudersh is in line to play Lancaster. I'm a big fan of Lancaster it falls under the radar in the national spotlight but I was fortunate to play it several times in college and its one of my favorite PA courses. Manny's no slouch either and yeah only one i didn't recognize right off hand was Heidelberg, seems like you always end up traveling up to that area each year for these matches.




    Yea Heidelberg won't be too bad a drive. Maybe a little over an hour. Every one of our matches is in the 50 min. to an hour range drive time which isn't horrible. Last year we had to drive up to Fox Hill which is a solid 2 1/2 hours from us. Fortunately it was a great course and worth the drive.
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  • Sir Larry WildmanSir Larry Wildman Members Posts: 390 ✭✭
    Drudersh wrote:




    119th GAP Amateur Championship - Stonewall (Old/North) - Another terrific, albeit not terribly convenient venue. I've never played the North and it's been years since I played the Old but remember it being a really strong test of golf with plenty of opportunities to post a crooked number. Stonewall was the host site of the 2016 USGA Mid-Am which saw Stewart Hagestad 4 down with 4 to play only to birdie 5 holes in a row and win on the first playoff hole.






    In my humble opinion, North is much better than Old, and it's not close. Old gets the lion's share of attention because it came first and has the full clubhouse/amenities, because it's more "traditional" looking, and it is a little better maintained. However, North is much more pure Doak - he built it with the same team of associates right after Pacific Dunes - and it just fits the land better. I think both Stonewalls are underrated in the Philly area, but for my money, Stonewall North is *the* most underrated course in PA.



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  • DrudershDrudersh ClubWRX Posts: 2,911 ClubWRX
    I'm taking a closer look at Qualifying sites. Has anyone actually played Olde Homestead? The Saturday qualifier is always appealing but the hole by hole on Myphillygolf.com makes it look like the hardest course outside of Bethpage on the east coast. I don't think I can find a hole where both misses aren't penalized. Check this brute out - http://www.myphillygolf.com/uploads/bausch/OldeHomestead/index5.html?



    Looks like 78 spots in that one, I'm saying 83 gets in.
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  • C-LawC-Law Members Posts: 173
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    Drudersh wrote:


    I'm taking a closer look at Qualifying sites. Has anyone actually played Olde Homestead? The Saturday qualifier is always appealing but the hole by hole on Myphillygolf.com makes it look like the hardest course outside of Bethpage on the east coast. I don't think I can find a hole where both misses aren't penalized. Check this brute out - http://www.myphillyg...ad/index5.html?



    Looks like 78 spots in that one, I'm saying 83 gets in.




    Hey Dan - hope all is well. I played Olde Homestead in an outing a year or two ago. Go get 1 round in before the qualifier there and you will be all good. Its a fairly straight forward course, there are a couple holes on the front that go into the woods, and 10/11 wrap around a pond, but besides that it's probably 13 really basic holes - there are definitely more holes I would describe as "wide open" than the holes I would consider "tight". I would be playing in that qualifier if it wasn't for a friends Wedding on that same date.



    I have never attempted to qualify for the Patterson Cup due to a conflicts with work - that will certainly change this year. And yes, Riverton is worth checking out - PM me if you end up signing up for that qualifier.



    If I end up going for the AM also, it will be at Brookside. You are correct that it is 100% uninspiring & boring. Wouldn't have much interest in playing there, except it is the site of my greatest previous qualifying success, so naturally I would have to roll with it again.
  • Sir Larry WildmanSir Larry Wildman Members Posts: 390 ✭✭
    Drudersh wrote:


    I'm taking a closer look at Qualifying sites. Has anyone actually played Olde Homestead? The Saturday qualifier is always appealing but the hole by hole on Myphillygolf.com makes it look like the hardest course outside of Bethpage on the east coast. I don't think I can find a hole where both misses aren't penalized. Check this brute out - http://www.myphillyg...ad/index5.html?



    Looks like 78 spots in that one, I'm saying 83 gets in.




    Yup; I played Olde Homestead in a college match. I'm really going back here, but I remember it being much more wide open and forgiving than what the pictures show (though I do agree with your analysis of the pics). Comparing to other Philly area publics, I remember it being like Turtle Creek in Limerick - some water here and there, and and a few tough holes but much like C-Law said, most of the holes are gettable.
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  • DrudershDrudersh ClubWRX Posts: 2,911 ClubWRX
    Thanks for the first hand info on Olde Homestead. I'll probably go ahead and sign up for that one when it opens to take advantage of the Saturday qualifier and save a vacation day.



    I see the May 20th Am Qualifier that was supposed to be at White Manor has gone back to TBD. That's a major bummer. Really didn't want to have to go to Hartfeld but may have to make the adjustment depending on the replacement venue.
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  • NolesNoles Members Posts: 1,423 ✭✭
    GAP Team Matches full schedule is out. Very happy with my team's section. I have to miss week 3 but hopefully I can play away weeks 1 and 2.
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    Wyncote back into the team matches for the first time in a long time and nabbing a rota with Stonewall and Wilmington (and Loch Nairn). Good for them.



    I see the White Manor qualifier for the Amateur has been replaced with Trump National Philadelphia. I've never played it but it looks very good on the hole by hole.
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  • NolesNoles Members Posts: 1,423 ✭✭
    Looks like they really regionalized divisions B-E...which is a great move. Also Division D has 32 sections which is not the norm. Not sure why they did that unless it was to be able to regionalize in which case it was brilliant.
  • DrudershDrudersh ClubWRX Posts: 2,911 ClubWRX
    I hadn’t really noticed that but you’re right. And yes that is a good move. Hard to get guys motivated to drive an hour and a half or more to roll the dice on a course they’ve never heard of. I have a friend who is at Biderman and saw they have West Chester, DuPont and Radley Run and thought they had just lucked out.
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    Looks like they really regionalized divisions B-E...which is a great move. Also Division D has 32 sections which is not the norm. Not sure why they did that unless it was to be able to regionalize in which case it was brilliant.




    GAP eliminated Division F which had 28 teams last year and added new member clubs:

    Hershey (two teams)

    West Shore (two teams)

    Atlantic City

    Bon Air

    Carlisle

    Chambersburg

    Elmhurst

    Foxchase

    Frosty Valley

    CC of Harrisburg

    Irem

    Lebanon

    Olde Homestead

    Out Door

    Pocono Farms

    RiverWinds Golf & Tennis Club

    Scranton Canoe Club

    Scotland Run

    Scranton Municipal

    Westwood

    Wyncote
  • NolesNoles Members Posts: 1,423 ✭✭
    rahatbmc wrote:

    Noles wrote:


    Looks like they really regionalized divisions B-E...which is a great move. Also Division D has 32 sections which is not the norm. Not sure why they did that unless it was to be able to regionalize in which case it was brilliant.




    GAP eliminated Division F which had 28 teams last year and added new member clubs:

    Hershey (two teams)

    West Shore (two teams)

    Atlantic City

    Bon Air

    Carlisle

    Chambersburg

    Elmhurst

    Foxchase

    Frosty Valley

    CC of Harrisburg

    Irem

    Lebanon

    Olde Homestead

    Out Door

    Pocono Farms

    RiverWinds Golf & Tennis Club

    Scranton Canoe Club

    Scotland Run

    Scranton Municipal

    Westwood

    Wyncote
    I saw that but now Division E is just the new Division F. Im guessing they made D so big just to be able to continue regionalize. Going forward it will be interesting to see how they handle these clubs. Most of those clubs would be a nightmare to have in your section.
  • rahatbmcrahatbmc Members Posts: 68 ✭✭
    Noles wrote:

    rahatbmc wrote:

    Noles wrote:


    Looks like they really regionalized divisions B-E...which is a great move. Also Division D has 32 sections which is not the norm. Not sure why they did that unless it was to be able to regionalize in which case it was brilliant.




    GAP eliminated Division F which had 28 teams last year and added new member clubs:

    Hershey (two teams)

    West Shore (two teams)

    Atlantic City

    Bon Air

    Carlisle

    Chambersburg

    Elmhurst

    Foxchase

    Frosty Valley

    CC of Harrisburg

    Irem

    Lebanon

    Olde Homestead

    Out Door

    Pocono Farms

    RiverWinds Golf & Tennis Club

    Scranton Canoe Club

    Scotland Run

    Scranton Municipal

    Westwood

    Wyncote
    I saw that but now Division E is just the new Division F. Im guessing they made D so big just to be able to continue regionalize. Going forward it will be interesting to see how they handle these clubs. Most of those clubs would be a nightmare to have in your section.




    Unless they change the rules, that will be an issue next year. They placed most of the new clubs in Division C, Section1 to 5. The winners of those sections will move to B next year and as of now they do not regionalize in AA, A and B.
  • NolesNoles Members Posts: 1,423 ✭✭
    rahatbmc wrote:

    Noles wrote:

    rahatbmc wrote:

    Noles wrote:


    Looks like they really regionalized divisions B-E...which is a great move. Also Division D has 32 sections which is not the norm. Not sure why they did that unless it was to be able to regionalize in which case it was brilliant.




    GAP eliminated Division F which had 28 teams last year and added new member clubs:

    Hershey (two teams)

    West Shore (two teams)

    Atlantic City

    Bon Air

    Carlisle

    Chambersburg

    Elmhurst

    Foxchase

    Frosty Valley

    CC of Harrisburg

    Irem

    Lebanon

    Olde Homestead

    Out Door

    Pocono Farms

    RiverWinds Golf & Tennis Club

    Scranton Canoe Club

    Scotland Run

    Scranton Municipal

    Westwood

    Wyncote
    I saw that but now Division E is just the new Division F. Im guessing they made D so big just to be able to continue regionalize. Going forward it will be interesting to see how they handle these clubs. Most of those clubs would be a nightmare to have in your section.




    Unless they change the rules, that will be an issue next year. They placed most of the new clubs in Division C, Section1 to 5. The winners of those sections will move to B next year and as of now they do not regionalize in AA, A and B.
    They definitely regionalized B this year. AA and A were the only ones that went by the rules.
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