Nicklaus golf courses (only if you like his work)

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  • jerebear21jerebear21 Don't Go Left ClubWRX Posts: 3,261 ClubWRX


    Had to laugh yesterday thinking about this thread. My regular group is on their annual trip to Mesquite (someday I’ll forgive my grandson for being born right in the middle of time!��) and played Coyote Springs yesterday. I was getting my regular report last night, Buddy was saying he and another guy guy would hit their approach and shots within a few feet of each other, but because of the severe contouring, one ball would roll up close to the pin while the other would end up 80’ away! The margin for error there is so slim.



    He said he may have said some not so nice things about Jack on occasion!��




    you would have felt the same if you had actually accepted my invite to Muirfield Village this past summer, bud.



    I'd say Muirfield Village and Sebonack(does that count since he paired up with Doak?) are my favorites of his. but his easy courses are not so easy. I don't think he knows how hard golf is.



    I'll be at MV again next spring if the schedule fits. My only criticism is hole 16 doesn't fit in the grand scheme of things. World class par5s and par4s.
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    You'll never know how much I wanted to be able to accept Jer!
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  • Roadking2003Roadking2003 AustinMembers Posts: 5,307 ✭✭


    Had to laugh yesterday thinking about this thread. My regular group is on their annual trip to Mesquite (someday I’ll forgive my grandson for being born right in the middle of time!��) and played Coyote Springs yesterday. I was getting my regular report last night, Buddy was saying he and another guy guy would hit their approach and shots within a few feet of each other, but because of the severe contouring, one ball would roll up close to the pin while the other would end up 80’ away! The margin for error there is so slim.



    He said he may have said some not so nice things about Jack on occasion!��




    Maybe they should play the US Open there. Sounds like it would fit in nicely.
  • deadsolid...shankdeadsolid...shank ClubWRX Posts: 14,671 ClubWRX



    Had to laugh yesterday thinking about this thread. My regular group is on their annual trip to Mesquite (someday I’ll forgive my grandson for being born right in the middle of time!��) and played Coyote Springs yesterday. I was getting my regular report last night, Buddy was saying he and another guy guy would hit their approach and shots within a few feet of each other, but because of the severe contouring, one ball would roll up close to the pin while the other would end up 80’ away! The margin for error there is so slim.



    He said he may have said some not so nice things about Jack on occasion!��




    Maybe they should play the US Open there. Sounds like it would fit in nicely.




    It would be an added bonus to watch them play in Nevada in June!
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  • Bluefan75Bluefan75 Members Posts: 3,873 ✭✭
    So got to play PGA National Champion course last week, which makes two Nicklaus courses for me(Hammock Creek in Palm City the other.)



    A fairly heavy rain fell the night before, so even though we could scatter in the carts, there was no roll. We had played the Palmer course earlier in the morning, and the fairway width alone was stunning in its difference. I don't know if it's fair to make an assessment based on this, because Florida courses basically force you to use water hazards as your main defense. And I certainly donated some golf balls. I'm using the fact I was working on something as my reason for doing so. image/swoon.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':swoon:' />



    We were told they had just reopened, and the greens might be a touch shaggy and slow. Man the guys must be putting on pool tables for the Honda Classic if that was shaggy.



    I think the comment made about was right. Nicklaus may not know how hard golf really is.
  • MyShortGameSucksMyShortGameSucks His doesn't.... Members Posts: 1,347 ✭✭
    Nicklaus courses I have played - favorites first. Have not played too many high end Nicklaus courses. Had a chance to play Bears Club a few years back but it did not quite work out on the day and we ended up playing Trumps place instead (yuk). On balance Pete Dye courses seem to fit my eye and i’d say he was my favourite designer but I always enjoy Jack’s courses and not really sure why people dislike them.



    1) Creighton Farms

    2) Pinehurst #9

    3) Old Works

    4) Collerton River (I prefer the Dye course there)

    5) Kiawah - Turtle Point

    6) PGA West - Nicklaus Tournament Course

    7) WGHOF - King and Bear (yeah only 1/2 Nicklaus I know)

    8) Bay Point

    9) Bears Best (Atlanta)

    10) Reunion

    11) Pinehills

    12) Bears Best (Vegas)

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  • DancinDancin Members Posts: 259 ✭✭
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    I'm not a huge fan of Nicklaus courses, but I haven't played any real duds of his and they usually have at least a few interesting holes.



    Of the ones I've played, my favorite is Valhalla. As long as you pick the right tee for your game and it isn't around a tournament when the rough is so thick you can only hack it out, it's very playable. I really like how you need to land some shots on the greens 30 feet away from the pin to access different sections.



    Others of his that I've played:

    Old Corkscrew - While tough, I enjoyed the greens and their undulations and would play again if in the area

    Breckenridge - Great scenery but if you aren't on your game it can be a long round with lots of penalties. I'd say it's gotten a little easier over the years, but it's still aerial target golf.

    Pawley's Plantation - I remember there being about 3 or 4 interesting holes and not bad if you are keeping it in play. Considering True Blue and Caledonia are down the street I wouldn't play this unless you're staying down there and want something different than those.

    Whispering Oak at Verandah - First Nicklaus course I ever played with some serious width in the fairways. Nothing amazing, but I'd play it again if in the area. Above average for Florida courses.

    Long Bay - Don't remember much about it other than it was neither horrible nor something I'd want to play again



    None of those besides Valhalla are something I'd go out of the way to play. Will be at Reunion in February and have one day playing the Nicklaus course there so hoping it's at least got a few good holes.
  • MaxBuckMaxBuck Members Posts: 346 ✭✭
    Muirfield Village is the best golf course I've ever played. But Jack's other work doesn't appeal to me that much.



    I will say I've gotten to play his private course at PGA West several times recently and it's really growing on me.
  • Roadking2003Roadking2003 AustinMembers Posts: 5,307 ✭✭
    MaxBuck wrote:


    Muirfield Village is the best golf course I've ever played. But Jack's other work doesn't appeal to me that much.



    I will say I've gotten to play his private course at PGA West several times recently and it's really growing on me.




    What other courses of his have you played?
  • MaxBuckMaxBuck Members Posts: 346 ✭✭

    MaxBuck wrote:


    Muirfield Village is the best golf course I've ever played. But Jack's other work doesn't appeal to me that much.



    I will say I've gotten to play his private course at PGA West several times recently and it's really growing on me.




    What other courses of his have you played?




    Almost too many to count. The Country Club at Muirfield, Pinehurst #9, Medallion Club, New Albany CC, CC of the North, Mason Golf Center Grizzly, TPC of Michigan, Pawleys Plantation, Long Bay Club, Punta Espada, Park Meadows CC.
  • I’ve only seen May River on here twice, but is fantastic. Very fair layout but also a course that requires very good approach shots. Conditioning and views are great
  • canonlbp430canonlbp430 Members Posts: 250 ✭✭
    Interesting to see DM Outlaw mentioned a few times. Most of the members don’t play it and have it low on their list of the 6. I enjoy it, much more when it’s calm than when windy. And yes, it gets firm and fast, especially after April.
  • Roadking2003Roadking2003 AustinMembers Posts: 5,307 ✭✭
    I've only played it once. We used to have a tournament there every year and usually played the other five.



    I didn't like the first hole with the green on top of a mountain (if my memory is correct). Other than that, I liked the course and the finishing hole is spectacular.
  • Roadking2003Roadking2003 AustinMembers Posts: 5,307 ✭✭
    MaxBuck wrote:


    MaxBuck wrote:


    Muirfield Village is the best golf course I've ever played. But Jack's other work doesn't appeal to me that much.



    I will say I've gotten to play his private course at PGA West several times recently and it's really growing on me.




    What other courses of his have you played?




    Almost too many to count. The Country Club at Muirfield, Pinehurst #9, Medallion Club, New Albany CC, CC of the North, Mason Golf Center Grizzly, TPC of Michigan, Pawleys Plantation, Long Bay Club, Punta Espada, Park Meadows CC.




    You didn't care for Punta Espada? I haven't played it but the pictures look spectacular. Many rate it the best or second best course in the Caribbean.



    It's on my bucket list.
  • az2auaz2au Members Posts: 1,800 ✭✭


    Interesting to see DM Outlaw mentioned a few times. Most of the members don’t play it and have it low on their list of the 6. I enjoy it, much more when it’s calm than when windy. And yes, it gets firm and fast, especially after April.


    I have multiple friends at DM and play there quite often. Outlaw is so significantly better than the other courses that it is hardly worth even discussing. You are correct that most members don’t prefer it but the ones I know that are better players tend to favor it. It might be a little too hard for most people. The demographic at DM is not skewed toward better players though. There are plenty of low cappers but mostly older players so my comment still applies to them. All of their courses are nice though. Apache is kinda weak but still nice.
  • canonlbp430canonlbp430 Members Posts: 250 ✭✭
    az2au wrote:



    Interesting to see DM Outlaw mentioned a few times. Most of the members don’t play it and have it low on their list of the 6. I enjoy it, much more when it’s calm than when windy. And yes, it gets firm and fast, especially after April.


    I have multiple friends at DM and play there quite often. Outlaw is so significantly better than the other courses that it is hardly worth even discussing. You are correct that most members don’t prefer it but the ones I know that are better players tend to favor it. It might be a little too hard for most people. The demographic at DM is not skewed toward better players though. There are plenty of low cappers but mostly older players so my comment still applies to them. All of their courses are nice though. Apache is kinda weak but still nice.




    I would agree, most of the people that I know that play there regularly are the better players. I usually try to play there regularly since it probably has the least traffic.
  • JJCOOP7JJCOOP7 Members Posts: 1,992 ✭✭
    Creighton farms in Aldie va is my favorite- very private. Has a few creeks that run through it but great use of land



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  • MaxBuckMaxBuck Members Posts: 346 ✭✭

    MaxBuck wrote:


    MaxBuck wrote:


    Muirfield Village is the best golf course I've ever played. But Jack's other work doesn't appeal to me that much.



    I will say I've gotten to play his private course at PGA West several times recently and it's really growing on me.




    What other courses of his have you played?




    Almost too many to count. The Country Club at Muirfield, Pinehurst #9, Medallion Club, New Albany CC, CC of the North, Mason Golf Center Grizzly, TPC of Michigan, Pawleys Plantation, Long Bay Club, Punta Espada, Park Meadows CC.




    You didn't care for Punta Espada? I haven't played it but the pictures look spectacular. Many rate it the best or second best course in the Caribbean.



    It's on my bucket list.


    Punta Espada is certainly a beautiful piece of ground, but IMO another architect could've done a better job of designing a course there. But I wouldn't try to dissuade you from playing it; it's definitely a gorgeous place to play and there's plenty of challenge. (Make sure you travel down to play Teeth of the Dog, though, one of my absolute favorites.)
  • CanterburygcCanterburygc Members Posts: 16 ✭✭
    Didnt see anyone mention Valhalla. 13 through 18 is my favorite six hole stretch I’ve ever played.
  • Roadking2003Roadking2003 AustinMembers Posts: 5,307 ✭✭
    MaxBuck wrote:


    MaxBuck wrote:


    MaxBuck wrote:


    Muirfield Village is the best golf course I've ever played. But Jack's other work doesn't appeal to me that much.



    I will say I've gotten to play his private course at PGA West several times recently and it's really growing on me.




    What other courses of his have you played?




    Almost too many to count. The Country Club at Muirfield, Pinehurst #9, Medallion Club, New Albany CC, CC of the North, Mason Golf Center Grizzly, TPC of Michigan, Pawleys Plantation, Long Bay Club, Punta Espada, Park Meadows CC.




    You didn't care for Punta Espada? I haven't played it but the pictures look spectacular. Many rate it the best or second best course in the Caribbean.



    It's on my bucket list.


    Punta Espada is certainly a beautiful piece of ground, but IMO another architect could've done a better job of designing a course there. But I wouldn't try to dissuade you from playing it; it's definitely a gorgeous place to play and there's plenty of challenge. (Make sure you travel down to play Teeth of the Dog, though, one of my absolute favorites.)




    Already played Teeth and loved it.
  • chano14chano14 Members Posts: 10 ✭✭
    nicklaus courses I ve played:



    Pilara (Buenos Aires, Argentina)

    Chapelco (Patagonia, Argentina)

    Buenaventura (Panama)

    Golf Platz Gut Larchenhof (Germany)



    PGA National Champions

    Hammock Beach Ocean Course



    Enjoyed them all!!
  • teejaywhyteejaywhy Official GolfWRX Curmudgeon Members Posts: 7,168 ✭✭

    MaxBuck wrote:


    MaxBuck wrote:


    Muirfield Village is the best golf course I've ever played. But Jack's other work doesn't appeal to me that much.



    I will say I've gotten to play his private course at PGA West several times recently and it's really growing on me.




    What other courses of his have you played?




    Almost too many to count. The Country Club at Muirfield, Pinehurst #9, Medallion Club, New Albany CC, CC of the North, Mason Golf Center Grizzly, TPC of Michigan, Pawleys Plantation, Long Bay Club, Punta Espada, Park Meadows CC.




    You didn't care for Punta Espada? I haven't played it but the pictures look spectacular. Many rate it the best or second best course in the Caribbean.



    It's on my bucket list.




    There's a criterium to add to the RK2003 course rating guide:



    "How well does the course photograph?"



  • whynotgolfwhynotgolf Members Posts: 66 ✭✭
    A few off the top of my head.



    Bears Best (ATL)

    Achasta GC

    Laurel Springs

    Ocean Hammock

    CC of the South



    I know there's one or two TN courses in state parks I've played...Bear Trace



    My POV...most all of the Nicklaus courses I've played...his courses typically are wide enough in the landing areas to allow the avg Joe golfer to put the ball in play, but as you get closer to the green the difficulty increases including the green complexes...if you have a good SG, I think you can score anywhere, but there is a premium on short game with the Bear.
  • Roadking2003Roadking2003 AustinMembers Posts: 5,307 ✭✭
    teejaywhy wrote:


    MaxBuck wrote:


    MaxBuck wrote:


    Muirfield Village is the best golf course I've ever played. But Jack's other work doesn't appeal to me that much.



    I will say I've gotten to play his private course at PGA West several times recently and it's really growing on me.




    What other courses of his have you played?




    Almost too many to count. The Country Club at Muirfield, Pinehurst #9, Medallion Club, New Albany CC, CC of the North, Mason Golf Center Grizzly, TPC of Michigan, Pawleys Plantation, Long Bay Club, Punta Espada, Park Meadows CC.




    You didn't care for Punta Espada? I haven't played it but the pictures look spectacular. Many rate it the best or second best course in the Caribbean.



    It's on my bucket list.




    There's a criterium to add to the RK2003 course rating guide:



    "How well does the course photograph?"




    Great idea !!!!!!!!!!!!
  • mkunes01mkunes01 Members Posts: 125 ✭✭
    There should be 0 participants in this thread. At the very least no one who draws the ball
  • mallratmallrat Members Posts: 2,916 ✭✭
    mkunes01 wrote:


    There should be 0 participants in this thread. At the very least no one who draws the ball




    I think that’s a big misconception, IMO. At my course the vast majority of the holes are very receptive to a draw or fade on both tee shots and approaches. Many of the holes look like they favor a fade but a draw will work just fine.



    In fact, if you play the proper side of the fairway a straight ball is best.
  • Roadking2003Roadking2003 AustinMembers Posts: 5,307 ✭✭
    mallrat wrote:

    mkunes01 wrote:


    There should be 0 participants in this thread. At the very least no one who draws the ball




    I think that's a big misconception, IMO. At my course the vast majority of the holes are very receptive to a draw or fade on both tee shots and approaches. Many of the holes look like they favor a fade but a draw will work just fine.



    In fact, if you play the proper side of the fairway a straight ball is best.




    It's a total misconception. I hit a draw and love to play Nicklaus courses.
  • ode1ode1 Members Posts: 2,839 ✭✭
    Yes, plenty of draw holes at the bull....seems to be split 5 fade, 5 draw and 4 straight, although IMO you could hit a draw on every hole, but would have to flirt a little with the trouble and bring the left rough, fwy bunkering into play.
  • Roadking2003Roadking2003 AustinMembers Posts: 5,307 ✭✭
    We played The Bull last year and loved it. Almost every hole required a strategy and presented options for how to play.
  • CMCSGolfCMCSGolf Members Posts: 508 ✭✭

    mallrat wrote:

    mkunes01 wrote:


    There should be 0 participants in this thread. At the very least no one who draws the ball




    I think that's a big misconception, IMO. At my course the vast majority of the holes are very receptive to a draw or fade on both tee shots and approaches. Many of the holes look like they favor a fade but a draw will work just fine.



    In fact, if you play the proper side of the fairway a straight ball is best.




    It's a total misconception. I hit a draw and love to play Nicklaus courses.




    I would agree. I have not found that fades are disproportionately favored. However, I do think you need to hit it high to play his courses well. There are a lot of fronting bunkers and an aerial game with good spin helps a lot to get at the greens. I don't think his courses are tremendously fun for women or seniors because of this, but I could be wrong.
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