McIlroy and the European Tour

MattyO1984MattyO1984 Members Posts: 4,818 ✭✭
It's coming out that Rory McIlroy, at this stage, only has two European Tour events on his schedule for next year. Surprisingly, they are events that he has not had much to do with over the last few years - The Scottish Open and the European Masters in Switzerland which is sponsored by Omega just like Rory.



The first thing that I take from that is that the Irish Open and Rory seem to be over for now. Given how much effort he seemed to put into it over the last few years, I can see why he would want to take a step back and concentrate on golf but giving up on playing it completely is an unusual one.



The second thing is surely, he won't get to a point where he has to give up his ET card. With the US season finished by August next year, how he could even envisage not managing another two events during September, October and November is beyond me.
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  • MolemanMoleman Members Posts: 565 ✭✭
    Rory doesn’t really like golf anymore... image/sad.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':(' />
  • OldTomMorrisOldTomMorris Edinburgh, ScotlandMembers Posts: 2,255 ✭✭
    ^^ When I saw the new schedule plus the fact he isn't hosting the Irish anymore I suspected he might ditch it to play the week before the Open instead.



    I too am very surprised that Rory is seriously thinking about letting his ET membership lapse, the minimum commitment is so low given he is a cert for all majors and WGCs. I totally understand him doing whatever it takes to win majors but your point about him potentially not being able to find it in his schedule for 2 events, especially given how early the PGA Tour season finishes for the top guys, really surprises me. In fairness he does concede it's a little up in the air at the moment.
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  • SuperbritSuperbrit Members Posts: 464 ✭✭
    He only has to play in 4 tournaments outside of the majors and WGC's, he'll play what he needs to

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  • imakaveliimakaveli Moli Moli Moli Moli Tommy Tommy Tommy Tommy... Members Posts: 12,633 ✭✭
    Guy seems lost imho. Pitty.
  • dcmidnightdcmidnight Marshals, BST Volunteer Mods Posts: 11,709 mod
    I'm sure that schedule will fill up as the offseason goes along.



    But part of me wonders - just a tiny bit - if he looks at what Tiger has gone through and says nah, thats not for me. I've made $150M (my guess - ~ $80M in career earnings and about that off?) in my career on and off the course, I'm 29, I'm happy with the way things are. Am I going to kill myself flying all over the world just to retain my Euro Tour card?



    Not saying he's going to walk away from golf altogether. But if I made a list of young guys that I would say would be happy with what they've accomplished/made and might start focussing on life off the course? He'd at least be on the list.



    Could be completely wrong though.
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  • FergusonFerguson Members Posts: 4,701 ✭✭
    imakaveli wrote:


    Guy seems lost imho. Pitty.






    Why, because he's not obsessed and giving 110%, 365/24/7? I think Rory knows there is more to life.

    Seems to me he is making choices based on the lifestyle he wants to live.

    That's a guy who is anything but lost.





    If anyone is lost, it's Jordan S.
  • OldTomMorrisOldTomMorris Edinburgh, ScotlandMembers Posts: 2,255 ✭✭
    Superbrit wrote:


    He only has to play in 4 tournaments outside of the majors and WGC's, he'll play what he needs to




    From the quotes it doesn't sound like he intends to do that though. Only 2 events scheduled in and no indication that he will add any, in fairness he does concede its a little up in the air at the moment.



    He might regret it in later life if he disqualifies himself from being an Ryder Cup captain.



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  • SuperbritSuperbrit Members Posts: 464 ✭✭

    Superbrit wrote:


    He only has to play in 4 tournaments outside of the majors and WGC's, he'll play what he needs to




    From the quotes it doesn't sound like he intends to do that though. Only 2 events scheduled in and no indication that he will add any, in fairness he does concede its a little up in the air at the moment.



    He might regret it in later life if he disqualifies himself from being an Ryder Cup captain.



    Time will tell.




    He will get in to the DP world's at the end of the season, so he only needs to add one more

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  • Pent08Pent08 Members Posts: 1,083 ✭✭
    Good for Rory. Focus on winning first, being an ambassador second. He went from being one of the most consistent players on Tour to actually manifesting the misrepresentation of a "streaky" player. Seems like he's getting tired.
  • bladehunterbladehunter Today was a good day.... Members Posts: 25,900 ✭✭
    Ferguson wrote:

    imakaveli wrote:


    Guy seems lost imho. Pitty.






    Why, because he's not obsessed and giving 110%, 365/24/7? I think Rory knows there is more to life.

    Seems to me he is making choices based on the lifestyle he wants to live.

    That's a guy who is anything but lost.





    If anyone is lost, it's Jordan S.




    Ah come on Ferg ! I bet he and Phil get a win by Sunday night at Augusta. Heard it here 1st.





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  •  Dave D Dave D Members Posts: 4,002 ✭✭
    think it's disgusting that European players only join on ryder cup years, support your tour, should bring a rule in that unless a rookie, have to have been a member of that tour since the last ryder cup
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  • imakaveliimakaveli Moli Moli Moli Moli Tommy Tommy Tommy Tommy... Members Posts: 12,633 ✭✭
    edited Nov 13, 2018 #13
    Ferguson wrote:

    imakaveli wrote:


    Guy seems lost imho. Pitty.






    Why, because he's not obsessed and giving 110%, 365/24/7? I think Rory knows there is more to life.

    Seems to me he is making choices based on the lifestyle he wants to live.

    That's a guy who is anything but lost.





    If anyone is lost, it's Jordan S.




    Of course not, between giving 110%, 365/24/7 and playing like Rory right now there are a lot of options image/wink.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=';)' />
  • bscinstnctbscinstnct Members Posts: 26,404 ✭✭
    Maybe Rory Jr. is on the way!



    Also,



    “I guess my thing is that I want to play against the strongest fields week-in and week-out and for the most part of the season that is in America. If I want to continue to contend in the majors and to continue my journey back towards the top of the game, then that’s what I want to do.



    https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport/golf/mcilroys-2019-schedule-could-see-him-lose-european-tour-membership-37523457.html
  • jmckjmck Members Posts: 4,277 ✭✭
    dcmidnight wrote:


    I'm sure that schedule will fill up as the offseason goes along.



    But part of me wonders - just a tiny bit - if he looks at what Tiger has gone through and says nah, thats not for me. I've made $150M (my guess - ~ $80M in career earnings and about that off?) in my career on and off the course, I'm 29, I'm happy with the way things are. Am I going to kill myself flying all over the world just to retain my Euro Tour card?



    Not saying he's going to walk away from golf altogether. But if I made a list of young guys that I would say would be happy with what they've accomplished/made and might start focussing on life off the course? He'd at least be on the list.



    Could be completely wrong though.




    Agree 100% with all of this. From reading the interview it sounded like he might add a few more tournaments later in the year beyond the two he's already committed to. Whether or not that's enough to keep his Euro Tour membership didn't sound like it would affect his decision process one way or the other.



    As to the second part, he's been clear in interviews that he doesn't have being the greatest of all time as his goal, and he's mentioned Tiger's life under the microscope specifically in that context. I have heard him say that his goal is to retire as the greatest European golfer. If you look at the careers of Faldo and Seve I'd say that age 29 Rory is more than half way there. That's pretty freaking good for a 29 year old who seems to be very happy with his work/life balance.



    Rory will be fine. Last year he broke a rib, got married, and changed equipment companies twice. That's an awful lot going on, and he was still pretty good (#7 in OWGR, #6 for the year in total SG on the PGA Tour). It wouldn't surprise me to see him have a big 2019.
  • the bishopthe bishop Members Posts: 3,231 ✭✭
    Dave D wrote:


    think it's disgusting that European players only join on ryder cup years, support your tour, should bring a rule in that unless a rookie, have to have been a member of that tour since the last ryder cup


    Given your location that's a perfectly understandable position. I love the Euro PGA Tour. The thing I like best about it is that it's a true world Tour. And I think in some player's minds that's the worst thing about it. The travel can be brutal to play a full season on that Tour. The Rolex series has great purses but on average purse size on the PGA Tour is better and the vast majority of the PGA Tour schedule can fit within 3 time zones. For the higher ranked Euro players from where I'm at its totally understandable why they would make that decision.
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  • M4TTM4TT EnglandMembers Posts: 1,391 ✭✭
    F**k Rory. Sell out.



    He doesn't want to play over here in fear of the wind and rain. Stay over there superstar in the sunshine where you can throw darts.... but then go on to 3 putt them. $$$ talks.



    His management own his head which in turn is ruining his game.

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  • SuperbritSuperbrit Members Posts: 464 ✭✭
    dcmidnight wrote:


    I'm sure that schedule will fill up as the offseason goes along.



    But part of me wonders - just a tiny bit - if he looks at what Tiger has gone through and says nah, thats not for me. I've made $150M (my guess - ~ $80M in career earnings and about that off?) in my career on and off the course, I'm 29, I'm happy with the way things are. Am I going to kill myself flying all over the world just to retain my Euro Tour card?



    Not saying he's going to walk away from golf altogether. But if I made a list of young guys that I would say would be happy with what they've accomplished/made and might start focussing on life off the course? He'd at least be on the list.



    Could be completely wrong though.




    I'm willing to wager he's made a lot more than that off the course

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  • dieselmddieselmd Members Posts: 566 ✭✭
    If Rory is serious about his golf game and contending in major championships again, he needs to take the route DJ did. From where his tee shots end, he has to be one of the worst players I've ever seen. Also, since Billy Foster has split with Westwood, Rory should hire him. I believe an experienced caddie can make a huge difference.
  • cardoustiecardoustie haha, we don't play for 5's Members Posts: 11,854 ✭✭
    The bottom line is there is a TONNE of money in sports these days. A modern luxury that didn't exist not that long ago



    So more and more players are adopting the "why kill yourself flying and traveling around constantly when you don't need to?" mentality



    I get it. Travel blows with a young family, new marriage etc



    If I am Rory I am focused on getting to 10 majors and getting a win at ANGC for the career grand slam. All else on the side is gravy



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  • SuperbritSuperbrit Members Posts: 464 ✭✭
    dieselmd wrote:


    If Rory is serious about his golf game and contending in major championships again, he needs to take the route DJ did. From where his tee shots end, he has to be one of the worst players I've ever seen. Also, since Billy Foster has split with Westwood, Rory should hire him. I believe an experienced caddie can make a huge difference.




    Totally agree with the Billy Foster statement (even though you do have that badge as your avatar)

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  • duffer987duffer987 Don't feed the Choo. Canadian in CaliforniaMembers Posts: 9,015 ✭✭
    Storm in a tea cup. Per usual Rory is going to get pilloried for speaking his mind and musing on this or that based on some journo question; this time it just happens to be his sched.



    Basically he has said 2019 is planned through August and in that time he may only play in a couple European events, as he wants to spend more time matching up with the big boys at the big PGA tour events.



    That is all. Seriously.

    The Euro tour has seriously back-loaded its 2019 schedule with loads of National opens from mid Aug to mid Oct, plus a few other bigger events. He can easily meet the requirement then.
  • dieselmddieselmd Members Posts: 566 ✭✭
    Superbrit wrote:

    dieselmd wrote:


    If Rory is serious about his golf game and contending in major championships again, he needs to take the route DJ did. From where his tee shots end, he has to be one of the worst players I've ever seen. Also, since Billy Foster has split with Westwood, Rory should hire him. I believe an experienced caddie can make a huge difference.




    Totally agree with the Billy Foster statement (even though you do have that badge as your avatar)




    Ultimately, it comes down to the player, his commitment and execution but having one of the best caddies out there can only help. Also, Rory is his generations Colin"Rabbit Ears"Montgomery! You can see him getting visibly annoyed with spectator-jabs all too easy.



    On a side note, been a supporter of Utd. before Sir Alex and Big Ron. It pains me to see what's happening now.
  • MattyO1984MattyO1984 Members Posts: 4,818 ✭✭
    cardoustie wrote:


    If I am Rory I am focused on getting to 10 majors and getting a win at ANGC for the career grand slam. All else on the side is gravy



    Dear RORS. Go work with Crenshaw and become a die speed putter. Go work with a new wedge expert so your iron game from inside 150 matches your driver prowess




    That is what he should be focusing on and, with his talent, that is what he should be achieving. At his best, he is that good. As thing stand though, he is not going to do it. Quoting himself from 2013, he seems to be "brain dead" at the moment. At the end of last year, he talked about taking stock of his first 10 years on tour and preparing for the next 10 years of his career. The first year of that decade has been a B minus according to him, that is generous. One win coming from way back when no pressure was on should have been a launchpad for a great year, instead what we got was him at best getting in his own way or at worst implosions any time he got near the lead.



    He was in winning positions in Abu Dhabi, Dubai, Augusta, Wentworth and even had a decent chance at Carnoustie. A player of his talent should not be letting that many chances go begging.



    If the reduction of his European schedule results in his golf improving, I am all for it. That said most of his good finishes this year where on the European Tour, without them I wonder what his current ranking would look like.
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  • duffer987duffer987 Don't feed the Choo. Canadian in CaliforniaMembers Posts: 9,015 ✭✭
    dieselmd wrote:

    Superbrit wrote:

    dieselmd wrote:


    If Rory is serious about his golf game and contending in major championships again, he needs to take the route DJ did. From where his tee shots end, he has to be one of the worst players I've ever seen. Also, since Billy Foster has split with Westwood, Rory should hire him. I believe an experienced caddie can make a huge difference.




    Totally agree with the Billy Foster statement (even though you do have that badge as your avatar)




    Ultimately, it comes down to the player, his commitment and execution but having one of the best caddies out there can only help. Also, Rory is his generations Colin"Rabbit Ears"Montgomery! You can see him getting visibly annoyed with spectator-jabs all too easy.



    On a side note, been a supporter of Utd. before Sir Alex and Big Ron. It pains me to see what's happening now.




    Really? Examples?

    I've seen him get annoyed at slow play, but putting him on the same level as Monty for spectator interaction? That's a new one.
  • GoGoErkyGoGoErky Members Posts: 1,141 ✭✭
    Superbrit wrote:


    He only has to play in 4 tournaments outside of the majors and WGC's, he'll play what he needs to




    Exactly. He will get enough starts in majors and wgcs to not have to worry about it. Plus it’s an off year for Ryder cup so no need to worry about accumulating points
  • SuperbritSuperbrit Members Posts: 464 ✭✭
    dieselmd wrote:

    Superbrit wrote:

    dieselmd wrote:


    If Rory is serious about his golf game and contending in major championships again, he needs to take the route DJ did. From where his tee shots end, he has to be one of the worst players I've ever seen. Also, since Billy Foster has split with Westwood, Rory should hire him. I believe an experienced caddie can make a huge difference.




    Totally agree with the Billy Foster statement (even though you do have that badge as your avatar)




    Ultimately, it comes down to the player, his commitment and execution but having one of the best caddies out there can only help. Also, Rory is his generations Colin"Rabbit Ears"Montgomery! You can see him getting visibly annoyed with spectator-jabs all too easy.



    On a side note, been a supporter of Utd. before Sir Alex and Big Ron. It pains me to see what's happening now.




    Well you are from Oregon so your still closer to Manchester than most of their other supporters image/taunt.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':taunt:' />



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  • dcmidnightdcmidnight Marshals, BST Volunteer Mods Posts: 11,709 mod
    the bishop wrote:


    And I think in some player's minds that's the worst thing about it.




    Agreed. These guys now seem to all live/train/play in the US a large % of their year. I understand that some of them feel an obligation to support the ET. And I respect that. But I'm also OK if they dont want to go through all that travel - especially the ones with young families. And dont give me the "boo hoo, these guys all fly private anyway" nonsense. The travel sucks and is brutal on your body, I dont care how you are flying. Its miserable.
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  • Golfer4LifeGolfer4Life “Don’t bother me with your pettiness” Lake Placid, N.Y. Whiteface G.C.ClubWRX Posts: 2,326 ✭✭
    Who? The guy looks like he is in a constant state of constipation.



    He hates golf!
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  • FergusonFerguson Members Posts: 4,701 ✭✭
    cardoustie wrote:


    The bottom line is there is a TONNE of money in sports these days. A modern luxury that didn't exist not that long ago



    So more and more players are adopting the "why kill yourself flying and traveling around constantly when you don't need to?" mentality



    I get it. Travel blows with a young family, new marriage etc



    If I am Rory I am focused on getting to 10 majors and getting a win at ANGC for the career grand slam. All else on the side is gravy



    Dear RORS. Go work with Crenshaw and become a die speed putter. Go work with a new wedge expert so your iron game from inside 150 matches your driver prowess








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  • doublehansdoublehans Members Posts: 642 ✭✭
    Seems like the right mindset. Hes not saying he won't add more events post-august, more just focusing on the part of the season that matters most. Potentially losing a captaincy 20yrs from now should matter much to him in comparison to being fresh to compete now. If the Euro Tour wants to leverage their control of the Ryder Cup into forcing players to play events, its understandable, but if they denied Rory a captaincy over this it'd arguably hurt them more than it would Rory, losing a high profile captain like Rory would be a hit not just for the player for the team Europe as well. Sounds like he's got his priorities right. He'll probably end up adding events later, but hes waiting to see how he feels first. But even if he doesn't, if he feels fresher and wins a major, he will never regret it for moment.
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