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  • md_muellermd_mueller  128WRX Points: 84Members Posts: 128 Fairways
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    Finally a topic I know a little about. Hard to justify the price tag on EH, but there it is definitely a great track. WS for about the same price is a much cooler place to play a round. The River Course, the Bull, and about half of the Irish and Meadow Valley courses are great and some of the best in the state in addition to being within 20 minutes of each other.



    SV and Mammoth are solid in their own way. Very forgiving off the tee and extremely central Wisconsin feeling. If you like the secluded feel that's a good choice.



    Lawsonia is often not in the greatest shape, but if you like cool old course architecture it's excellent.



    The Kohler trip would get my vote because of the travel ease and variety.
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    Not to debate the merits of the two course (I prefer EH 2 to 1) but WS is about the same price as EH? That surprises me. I played WS on a package, but assumed the rack rate was at least $400. EH is under 3.
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    You are right. I'm not sure what I was looking at, but WS is about $75 more than EH and a caddie is required.
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    EH $295

    WS $500



    Both are summer peak times.

    md_mueller wrote:


    You are right. I'm not sure what I was looking at, but WS is about $75 more than EH and a caddie is required.




    A caddie is NOT required for either course. One member of our group walked both in August.
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    uh... when I went they told me caddie was mandatory at WS. the bill was 500 and another 100 for the caddie.



    EH isn't mandatory caddie but if you did have one, there's a caddie "fee" to the club and then you pay the caddie separately.
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    uh... when I went they told me caddie was mandatory at WS. the bill was 500 and another 100 for the caddie.



    EH isn't mandatory caddie but if you did have one, there's a caddie "fee" to the club and then you pay the caddie separately.




    A caddie is required on WS prior to twilight, optional for twilight play.
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    Are the Fall rates much cheaper ? $500 plus caddy is RIDICULOUS.
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    vallygolf wrote:

    jerebear21 wrote:


    uh... when I went they told me caddie was mandatory at WS. the bill was 500 and another 100 for the caddie.



    EH isn't mandatory caddie but if you did have one, there's a caddie "fee" to the club and then you pay the caddie separately.




    A caddie is required on WS prior to twilight, optional for twilight play.




    i don't know how you would finish your round there playing twilight. our morning tee time was a 5.5 hour nightmare. was paired up with 3 people, 2 of which had wives walking with them. It wasn't bad or anything; just lots and lots of pictures being taken.



    also the folks there never told me about optional caddie during twilight. they just said mandatory caddie if you want to play the straits.
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    That must be a new rule since our guy walked it in August this year. We teed off at 10:00 AM.
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    I walked in september but I called 14 days out instead of staying there. They literally said the straits is mandatory caddie.
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    That must be a new rule since our guy walked it in August this year. We teed off at 10:00 AM.




    If there was one caddie in the group they may let it slide as a "fore caddie" and let the single out. Not sure, but the policy is here:



    https://www.americanclubresort.com/golf/golf-rates-and-policies
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    Only way I play straits is in May when it is about half price. I think with caddie it came out to 250-300. Have to get lucky though with the weather, and I think last year with the awful winter the course may not have been great at the time. I went a couple years ago after a mild winter and it was very good. We got 60 degrees, sunny, and light wind, but you could also get screwed and gets 40s. I am always open to paying rack rate to try a course once, for the experience, but after that, I like to find the deals.
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    Are the Fall rates much cheaper ? $500 plus caddy is RIDICULOUS.




    it falls in line with a lot of one and done golf courses at that rate TBH



    mosquitos and lots of pictures..... lots and lots of pictures..... lots and lots of mosquitos.
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    The Straits books solid through the prime months. One of the unwritten reasons that caddies are required by the Straits is that they know their guests are paying a premium and expect a premium experience. The course loathes having players wait for the group ahead to clear. They count on their caddies to keep a steady pace of play no matter what the skill level of the group. I have been told by one of my caddies that they are given a narrow window to get the group through their 18, miss that window and the caddie's pay is docked as is his rating in the caddie shack.



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    vallygolf wrote:



    That must be a new rule since our guy walked it in August this year. We teed off at 10:00 AM.




    If there was one caddie in the group they may let it slide as a "fore caddie" and let the single out. Not sure, but the policy is here:



    https://www.american...es-and-policies




    I've carried several times but every time they've let me carry we either had 3 or two guys who wanted to carry. I think they put that in place to make sure the caddies get to double every round.



    I think The Straits was $400 plus $65 & Tip so you're a little over $500 and EH is $295 plus $55 & Tip so you're right around $400.
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    I just checked my credit card statement. The exact figure for whistling was 543.33 and Erin hills was 369.60

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    jerebear21 wrote:


    uh... when I went they told me caddie was mandatory at WS. the bill was 500 and another 100 for the caddie.



    EH isn't mandatory caddie but if you did have one, there's a caddie "fee" to the club and then you pay the caddie separately.




    Can't imagine walking and carrying on EH. We played a year ago and one of the guys brought an employee who was probably 22 and in great condition. He carried and about the 14th hole he was just spent. It wasn't overly hot that day but just a tough climb.
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    Doesn’t include caddie tip yet.
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    DavePelz4 wrote:

    jerebear21 wrote:


    uh... when I went they told me caddie was mandatory at WS. the bill was 500 and another 100 for the caddie.



    EH isn't mandatory caddie but if you did have one, there's a caddie "fee" to the club and then you pay the caddie separately.




    Can't imagine walking and carrying on EH. We played a year ago and one of the guys brought an employee who was probably 22 and in great condition. He carried and about the 14th hole he was just spent. It wasn't overly hot that day but just a tough climb.




    I’m in better shape today than I was when I was 22. Some folks thinks the younger you are the better off you are. Closer to 40 now but I can carry 36 if you give me a double shot of espresso and let me double fist the back 9.



    EH was an easy walk imho.
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    jerebear21 wrote:

    DavePelz4 wrote:

    jerebear21 wrote:


    uh... when I went they told me caddie was mandatory at WS. the bill was 500 and another 100 for the caddie.



    EH isn't mandatory caddie but if you did have one, there's a caddie "fee" to the club and then you pay the caddie separately.




    Can't imagine walking and carrying on EH. We played a year ago and one of the guys brought an employee who was probably 22 and in great condition. He carried and about the 14th hole he was just spent. It wasn't overly hot that day but just a tough climb.




    I’m in better shape today than I was when I was 22. Some folks thinks the younger you are the better off you are. Closer to 40 now but I can carry 36 if you give me a double shot of espresso and let me double fist the back 9.



    EH was an easy walk imho.




    Even for us old guys, the walk wasn't bad at all as we walk 99% of our rounds. Not sure that the back could hold up carrying unless the bag was really light.
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    you just need to double fist a transfusion and 800mg of ibuprofen.
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    Didn't mean to cause confusion on the prices. I must have been working with dated info - the last I knew, WS had green fees in the $370-390 range + caddie fee and tip which I was told were mandatory.
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    DavePelz4 wrote:
    jerebear21 wrote:

    DavePelz4 wrote:

    jerebear21 wrote:


    uh... when I went they told me caddie was mandatory at WS. the bill was 500 and another 100 for the caddie.



    EH isn't mandatory caddie but if you did have one, there's a caddie "fee" to the club and then you pay the caddie separately.




    Can't imagine walking and carrying on EH. We played a year ago and one of the guys brought an employee who was probably 22 and in great condition. He carried and about the 14th hole he was just spent. It wasn't overly hot that day but just a tough climb.




    I’m in better shape today than I was when I was 22. Some folks thinks the younger you are the better off you are. Closer to 40 now but I can carry 36 if you give me a double shot of espresso and let me double fist the back 9.



    EH was an easy walk imho.




    Even for us old guys, the walk wasn't bad at all as we walk 99% of our rounds. Not sure that the back could hold up carrying unless the bag was really light.




    That’s the key, and many people that don’t regularly carry make that mistake far too often. I carried 18 in 90 degree temps and high humidity this summer at EH and thought it was a great walk. But I had my Sunday bag with just 14 clubs, rangefinder, 6 balls, and tees. Oh, and a water bottle that I filled frequently! Also, the caddie yardage book was plenty of info to guide me (just don’t buy the cheaper of the two that is basically a picture book!).
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    rtraudt wrote:

    DavePelz4 wrote:
    jerebear21 wrote:

    DavePelz4 wrote:

    jerebear21 wrote:


    uh... when I went they told me caddie was mandatory at WS. the bill was 500 and another 100 for the caddie.



    EH isn't mandatory caddie but if you did have one, there's a caddie "fee" to the club and then you pay the caddie separately.




    Can't imagine walking and carrying on EH. We played a year ago and one of the guys brought an employee who was probably 22 and in great condition. He carried and about the 14th hole he was just spent. It wasn't overly hot that day but just a tough climb.




    I’m in better shape today than I was when I was 22. Some folks thinks the younger you are the better off you are. Closer to 40 now but I can carry 36 if you give me a double shot of espresso and let me double fist the back 9.



    EH was an easy walk imho.




    Even for us old guys, the walk wasn't bad at all as we walk 99% of our rounds. Not sure that the back could hold up carrying unless the bag was really light.




    That’s the key, and many people that don’t regularly carry make that mistake far too often. I carried 18 in 90 degree temps and high humidity this summer at EH and thought it was a great walk. But I had my Sunday bag with just 14 clubs, rangefinder, 6 balls, and tees. Oh, and a water bottle that I filled frequently! Also, the caddie yardage book was plenty of info to guide me (just don’t buy the cheaper of the two that is basically a picture book!).




    Isn't that all the clubs you're allowed?



    Having just paid Bethpage Black for $125 this year, these prices make my head spin. I think I'll stick to offpeak when I make it to WS and EH... or wait for a sizable raise image/smile.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':)' />
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    I don't think EH has an off peak rate. I could be wrong, but I think they open/close late/early, and have the same rate throughout their short season. I am sure someone can correct me about that.
    jerebear21 wrote:



    Are the Fall rates much cheaper ? $500 plus caddy is RIDICULOUS.




    it falls in line with a lot of one and done golf courses at that rate TBH



    mosquitos and lots of pictures..... lots and lots of pictures..... lots and lots of mosquitos.




    When I played last year, I couldn't open my mouth on 3 and 4. It was like a plague. Mosquitos and just like normal flies. I have never seen anything like it. I made the mistake of taking my hat off to cover my face and when I looked in my hat there had to be 50+ in my hat. It was one of the most bizarre things I have ever seen. Had it been more than 2 holes it would have been unplayable. Honestly, it was just about panic attack inducing.
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    Phreddy wrote:


    The Straits books solid through the prime months. One of the unwritten reasons that caddies are required by the Straits is that they know their guests are paying a premium and expect a premium experience. The course loathes having players wait for the group ahead to clear. They count on their caddies to keep a steady pace of play no matter what the skill level of the group. I have been told by one of my caddies that they are given a narrow window to get the group through their 18, miss that window and the caddie's pay is docked as is his rating in the caddie shack.



    Phred




    If true, that window is 5:30 and 5:45? That's inexcusable.



    EH was very strict on pace of play as well, but at least their target is closer to 5:00.
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    It was the plague Moses speaks of in book of exodus. Mosquitos as big as locusts and felt like lice when you removed your hat. Imagine having it from hole 1-9. I was ready to walk off after 9. Went double fist and almost hole in 1 on 17 made life better. But it was enough for me to never go back again. I’m sure it’s an awesome experience for some folks.
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    I don't think EH has an off peak rate. I could be wrong, but I think they open/close late/early, and have the same rate throughout their short season. I am sure someone can correct me about that.
    jerebear21 wrote:



    Are the Fall rates much cheaper ? $500 plus caddy is RIDICULOUS.




    it falls in line with a lot of one and done golf courses at that rate TBH



    mosquitos and lots of pictures..... lots and lots of pictures..... lots and lots of mosquitos.




    When I played last year, I couldn't open my mouth on 3 and 4. It was like a plague. Mosquitos and just like normal flies. I have never seen anything like it. I made the mistake of taking my hat off to cover my face and when I looked in my hat there had to be 50+ in my hat. It was one of the most bizarre things I have ever seen. Had it been more than 2 holes it would have been unplayable. Honestly, it was just about panic attack inducing.


    where? WS, or EH ?
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    I don't think EH has an off peak rate. I could be wrong, but I think they open/close late/early, and have the same rate throughout their short season. I am sure someone can correct me about that.
    jerebear21 wrote:



    Are the Fall rates much cheaper ? $500 plus caddy is RIDICULOUS.




    it falls in line with a lot of one and done golf courses at that rate TBH



    mosquitos and lots of pictures..... lots and lots of pictures..... lots and lots of mosquitos.




    When I played last year, I couldn't open my mouth on 3 and 4. It was like a plague. Mosquitos and just like normal flies. I have never seen anything like it. I made the mistake of taking my hat off to cover my face and when I looked in my hat there had to be 50+ in my hat. It was one of the most bizarre things I have ever seen. Had it been more than 2 holes it would have been unplayable. Honestly, it was just about panic attack inducing.


    where? WS, or EH ?




    Sorry, WS. Erin Hills was one of the most pleasant rounds of golf I have ever played. I love both courses though.
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    Good info on the speed traps. Headed from SV to lawsonia next year in May (fingers crossed for global warming, just this winter, just in wisconsin) and would not have thought about going 10 mph over whatever the speed limit is.
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