Mizuno ST 190 Driver

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  • Nixhex524Nixhex524 ClubWRX  4761WRX Points: 520Handicap: 4Posts: 4,761 ClubWRX
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    evoviiiyou wrote:

    flushem wrote:

    Drew-1986 wrote:


    I felt my dispersion short and long was better with the ST-190. On the very best strikes I think the Epic SZ would win, however it wouldn't be by much, and we are talking about 1 drive in 40/50 shots. I also felt the ST-190 performed better on strikes low on the face. Hope that helps




    That sounds like now-gone JPX 900 driver. I wonder how ST 190 drives against ST 180 and JPX 900.




    Highest Spin and launch angle JPX900

    Lowest Spin and launch angle ST180

    Perfect for me ST190




    What shaft?
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    Nixhex524 wrote:

    evoviiiyou wrote:

    flushem wrote:

    Drew-1986 wrote:


    I felt my dispersion short and long was better with the ST-190. On the very best strikes I think the Epic SZ would win, however it wouldn't be by much, and we are talking about 1 drive in 40/50 shots. I also felt the ST-190 performed better on strikes low on the face. Hope that helps




    That sounds like now-gone JPX 900 driver. I wonder how ST 190 drives against ST 180 and JPX 900.




    Highest Spin and launch angle JPX900

    Lowest Spin and launch angle ST180

    Perfect for me ST190




    What shaft?




    JPX900 was the Fuji Evo2 661S

    ST180 was the Tensei Blue 6S and Fuji Evo2 661S

    ST190 is getting a Fuji Speeder TR 661S (not a stock option)

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    Mizuno ST190 10.5/ Fuji Speeder TR 661S/ GP TW White
    Mizuno CLK 16/ Nippon Modus Tour 130S/ GP TW White
    Mizuno JPX FliHi 19/ Modus Tour 130S/ GP TW White
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  • T.B.T.B. Members  322WRX Points: 109Handicap: 10Posts: 322 Greens
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    I felt last years mizuno drivers were excellent. I gamed one for a few months. Very straight and long. For some reason I just couldn’t get past the blue driver head. The new driver looks great and looking forward to hitting it. I’m sure as with all mizuno equipment it’s very good
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    evoviiiyou wrote:

    Nixhex524 wrote:

    evoviiiyou wrote:

    flushem wrote:

    Drew-1986 wrote:


    I felt my dispersion short and long was better with the ST-190. On the very best strikes I think the Epic SZ would win, however it wouldn't be by much, and we are talking about 1 drive in 40/50 shots. I also felt the ST-190 performed better on strikes low on the face. Hope that helps




    That sounds like now-gone JPX 900 driver. I wonder how ST 190 drives against ST 180 and JPX 900.




    Highest Spin and launch angle JPX900

    Lowest Spin and launch angle ST180

    Perfect for me ST190




    What shaft?




    JPX900 was the Fuji Evo2 661S

    ST180 was the Tensei Blue 6S and Fuji Evo2 661S

    ST190 is getting a Fuji Speeder TR 661S (not a stock option)


    Thanks for the info here image/smile.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':)' />

    The JPX900 is in my bag and I bought an ST180 to try but do feel it's too much the other end.

    What * did you have the heads set to? I see there's now a 9.5 & 10.5 option for the ST190 and was humming and hawing over which might be the better option.
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  • evoviiiyouevoviiiyou evoviiiyou Members  2016WRX Points: 163Posts: 2,016 Platinum Tees
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    JPX900 9.5 (weights forward in the center track)

    ST180 10.5 (I had both 9.5 head set to 10.5 way too low spin for me and the HL head turned down a degree and still a little low spin for me)

    ST190 10.5 (the 10.5 head set to standard is perfect for me in my fitting results)
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    Mizuno ST190 10.5/ Fuji Speeder TR 661S/ GP TW White
    Mizuno CLK 16/ Nippon Modus Tour 130S/ GP TW White
    Mizuno JPX FliHi 19/ Modus Tour 130S/ GP TW White
    Taylor Made P790 4-PW/ Modus Tour 130S/ PURE Wrap BLK
    Mizuno S18 Wedge 51/08/ PXLZ 5.5/ PURE Wrap BLK
    Mizuno S18 Wedge 56/06/ PXLZ 5.5/ PURE Wrap WHT
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  • aquapigaquapig Members  531WRX Points: 228Handicap: 4.9Posts: 531 Golden Tee
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    Just picked up a ST190.



    I love the look, the feel, the sound and then the numbers were amazing for me.



    Can’t wait to take it out on the course today
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    aquapig wrote:


    Just picked up a ST190.



    I love the look, the feel, the sound and then the numbers were amazing for me.



    Can't wait to take it out on the course today




    Regular or G? What shaft did you get in it?



    I really want to try the regular head with the Atmos blue or Tensei blue.... My store doesn't have many options, I may just have to order it that way blind. I was amazed at how straight the G went, not even set up for me.
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    evoviiiyou wrote:

    flushem wrote:

    Drew-1986 wrote:


    I felt my dispersion short and long was better with the ST-190. On the very best strikes I think the Epic SZ would win, however it wouldn't be by much, and we are talking about 1 drive in 40/50 shots. I also felt the ST-190 performed better on strikes low on the face. Hope that helps




    That sounds like now-gone JPX 900 driver. I wonder how ST 190 drives against ST 180 and JPX 900.




    Highest Spin and launch angle JPX900

    Lowest Spin and launch angle ST180

    Perfect for me ST190




    interesting. My jpx 900 had the same shaft and the loft. But I placed the weight in toe & heel that yielded low 2000 rpm and mid trajectory. Now Honma driver yields better job than JPX 900.



    Above all, Mizuno drivers are so overlooked for many years and should be in many's bag due to forgiveness and accuracy.
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  • Bomber_11Bomber_11 Enjoy the Chase. ClubWRX  3580WRX Points: 160Posts: 3,580 ClubWRX
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    Had a chance to hit both ST190 models yesterday.



    I was shocked by just how good these clubs were. Especially the non adjustable one (no sliding weight tracks).



    Super aesthetically pleasing too! Looks great at address, bottom is symmetrical and looks sharp.



    I hit each head with both Atmos Black Tour Spec 6X and Graphite Design AD BB 6X and was getting unreal #'s.



    Going to take my 2016 M2 8.5 down and have a little showdown with the two. Will post pics when finished.
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    Bomber_11 wrote:


    Had a chance to hit both ST190 models yesterday.



    I was shocked by just how good these clubs were. Especially the non adjustable one (no sliding weight tracks).



    Super aesthetically pleasing too! Looks great at address, bottom is symmetrical and looks sharp.



    I hit each head with both Atmos Black Tour Spec 6X and Graphite Design AD BB 6X and was getting unreal #'s.



    Going to take my 2016 M2 8.5 down and have a little showdown with the two. Will post pics when finished.




    Did you notice any real differences between the two heads? Sound and feel? How much higher were the spin numbers, if at all, with the non adjustable head? Adjustable head looked and felt good to me, just spun too low.
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    Odyssey WHP 7 34"
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    Nixhex524 wrote:

    Bomber_11 wrote:


    Had a chance to hit both ST190 models yesterday.



    I was shocked by just how good these clubs were. Especially the non adjustable one (no sliding weight tracks).



    Super aesthetically pleasing too! Looks great at address, bottom is symmetrical and looks sharp.



    I hit each head with both Atmos Black Tour Spec 6X and Graphite Design AD BB 6X and was getting unreal #'s.



    Going to take my 2016 M2 8.5 down and have a little showdown with the two. Will post pics when finished.




    Did you notice any real differences between the two heads? Sound and feel? How much higher were the spin numbers, if at all, with the non adjustable head? Adjustable head looked and felt good to me, just spun too low.




    non adjustable felt lighter



    Like you said, the adjustable one in the right setting is a big time spin killer. I hit a few at 1500 RPM and it wasn't ideal by any means.



    I just felt I was hitting the ball better and had about 2-3 mph higher ball speeds w/ the non adjustable ST190
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    Mizuno JPX919 Tour 4-PW w/ DG TI X100
    Taylormade MG2 50/54/58 w/ DG TI S400
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    Great stuff here. Have been dying to hit one of these to see just how good they are. Love the sound from what I’ve heard in stores but just haven’t had the opportunity to try them out.
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    How does the ST190 compare to the ST180 in terms of the face angle? The ST180 was just too closed for me to be able to deal with. Is the 190 as draw biased?
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    How does the ST190 compare to the ST180 in terms of the face angle? The ST180 was just too closed for me to be able to deal with. Is the 190 as draw biased?




    So true and that why I ended up with a ST180 HL turned down to 10.5 to open the face and it was pretty good.



    The ST190 is a different animal all together in the set up/address position. It’s dead square to a little open in the neutral setting.
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  • Jaywh2Jaywh2 Members  902WRX Points: 79Handicap: +1Posts: 902 Golden Tee
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    My 9.5 ST190 was measured to be 9.6 degrees and one degree open at address. The thing is very solid. Very rogue-ish looking. It’s as solid as a driver offering that is out at the moment.
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  • aquapigaquapig Members  531WRX Points: 228Handicap: 4.9Posts: 531 Golden Tee
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    Nixhex524 wrote:

    aquapig wrote:


    Just picked up a ST190.



    I love the look, the feel, the sound and then the numbers were amazing for me.



    Can't wait to take it out on the course today




    Regular or G? What shaft did you get in it?



    I really want to try the regular head with the Atmos blue or Tensei blue.... My store doesn't have many options, I may just have to order it that way blind. I was amazed at how straight the G went, not even set up for me.




    I got the ST190 and didn’t even bother to try the G since I loved the performance of the 190, the look and feel. Plus I don’t **** all that crap on there to tinker with. Add the fact it was 100.00 cheaper...sold!



    I ended up with the Atmos Blue stiff.



    Took it out for 18 today and absolutely love it.
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    Nixhex524 wrote:


    I was surprised to see my store only had 2 of each driver available and maybe 3 fw woods... they had nothing in stock and no demos... Guy said they just weren't anticipating sales as the 180 didn't move much. Too bad... looks like it could be a real contender if they could get it in people's hands.
    yup, it's sad, local golf mart has maybe 3 drivers and a few bonded 3ws, all tossed on the bottom shelf literally out of sight, with zero signage. If the st190 said taylormade on the bottom instead of mizuno it would be one of, if not the most popular driver out there. It's a shame mizuno lacks the funding to properly market their products.



    Recently Mizuno had a demo day at a local course I frequent. I went over there wanting to try some irons and wedges...ended up placing an order for both the st190 and adjustable 3w; they are beyond legit. The look, sound and feel is unmatched by anything currently on the market, in my opinion of course. Made me not even want to hit my new tour issue m6 anymore it was so good. Another driver I know is getting a lot of buzz lately is the new cobra...not sure why as I find it hideous to look at, don't even want to hit the thing it looks so odd to me.



    Don't sleep on the new mizunos!
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  • randyfitzrandyfitz Members  323WRX Points: 86Posts: 323 Greens
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    Are all ST190 drivers that are 10.5 degree also HL? Assume that means high loft?



    Got mine today and it says 10.5 HL.
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    Obviously a video from Mizuno is going to be Mizunoey, but this was a good watch/listen from Mitchell:



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  • rt_chargerrt_charger Ball Hitter Members  319WRX Points: 107Posts: 319 Greens
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    grumpy84 wrote:


    It's a shame mizuno lacks the funding to properly market their products.


    They do, they just don't want to. It's commented often they don't want to chase players and let word of mouth carry sales. It's how the irons have worked and now after this release and some time hopefully the woods do the same.
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    To me, this is the best looking driver on the market.



    I’ve played Mizuno irons forever and have tried their drivers in the past. But I wasn’t a huge fan of the blue, but it was really the feel that I hated.

    Coming from Titleist drivers, it’s always been hard to beat that feel. But this driver feels as good as any driver ive ever hit.



    But we all know that even if it looks great and feels great, if it doesn’t perform then it’s a moot.



    This thing flat out works for me. Lowest spin rate I’ve ever had with a driver, easy to work both ways, and my misses are punished as badly as they would be with other drivers.



    There are lots of good drivers this year. Find what suits your eye and swing...for me this one is pure perfection.
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    aquapig wrote:
    Coming from Titleist drivers, it’s always been hard to beat that feel. But this driver feels as good as any driver ive ever hit.




    I’ve got a TS3 in the bag but a ST190 is on the way and will have a fair shot to make the starting lineup. The TS3 is a great driver with some of the best ball speeds I’ve seen from a driver. However, the ST190 is the composite driver that Titleist should have made to compete with Taylormade and Callaway. If the ST190 had a Titleist logo on it, Taylormade and Callaway would have lost more market share than they did to the TS line.
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    Bomber_11 wrote:

    Nixhex524 wrote:

    Bomber_11 wrote:


    Had a chance to hit both ST190 models yesterday.



    I was shocked by just how good these clubs were. Especially the non adjustable one (no sliding weight tracks).



    Super aesthetically pleasing too! Looks great at address, bottom is symmetrical and looks sharp.



    I hit each head with both Atmos Black Tour Spec 6X and Graphite Design AD BB 6X and was getting unreal #'s.



    Going to take my 2016 M2 8.5 down and have a little showdown with the two. Will post pics when finished.




    Did you notice any real differences between the two heads? Sound and feel? How much higher were the spin numbers, if at all, with the non adjustable head? Adjustable head looked and felt good to me, just spun too low.




    non adjustable felt lighter



    Like you said, the adjustable one in the right setting is a big time spin killer. I hit a few at 1500 RPM and it wasn't ideal by any means.



    I just felt I was hitting the ball better and had about 2-3 mph higher ball speeds w/ the non adjustable ST190




    How did the shoot out go? I was getting better numbers(ball speed and spin) with the ST190 than my current G400lst.
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  • halliedoghalliedog Members  2563WRX Points: 338Handicap: 5.2Posts: 2,563 Titanium Tees
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    I'll jump in.



    I will not be trying anything from this year. I will however be trying a few from last year. I never buy anything on current release when I can wait a year or two. The tech hasn't improved dramatically between the '18 Mizuno Driver and the '19 Mizuno Drivers. They may have refined a "few" things like speed/forgiveness across the entire face/ looks (and in this case I don't really mind the BLUE), but how much does that really relate to the average AM who has about a 1 1/2" strike zone? I don't know, but know that a 2019 driver/fairway/set of irons isn't going to dramatically improve my game over a set of clubs from 2018.



    I've bought a new GT180 head and a new ST180 head within the last 2 weeks for under $275 total. If I don't like either, I'll be able to recoup most of my money and consider this experiment a wash. Now what happen if I ponied up $500 for a TM M5 or Cally Flash? I'd be pretty committed to it, even if it was horrible for me, and would probably then start chasing the "perfect" shaft and spend even more.



    I have a '17 M1 440 that I like, and will probably stick with, but this is much cheaper ho'ing experience. I don't have outdoor ranges open, with every shaft available, so do a lot of self-fitting with older equipment.
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    halliedog wrote:


    I'll jump in.



    I will not be trying anything from this year. I will however be trying a few from last year. I never buy anything on current release when I can wait a year or two. The tech hasn't improved dramatically between the '18 Mizuno Driver and the '19 Mizuno Drivers. They may have refined a "few" things like speed/forgiveness across the entire face/ looks (and in this case I don't really mind the BLUE), but how much does that really relate to the average AM who has about a 1 1/2" strike zone? I don't know, but know that a 2019 driver/fairway/set of irons isn't going to dramatically improve my game over a set of clubs from 2018.



    I've bought a new GT180 head and a new ST180 head within the last 2 weeks for under $275 total. If I don't like either, I'll be able to recoup most of my money and consider this experiment a wash. Now what happen if I ponied up $500 for a TM M5 or Cally Flash? I'd be pretty committed to it, even if it was horrible for me, and would probably then start chasing the "perfect" shaft and spend even more.



    I have a '17 M1 440 that I like, and will probably stick with, but this is much cheaper ho'ing experience. I don't have outdoor ranges open, with every shaft available, so do a lot of self-fitting with older equipment.




    I would argue Mizuno has drastically changed this driver from the 180... It definitely sounds better, looks better, and they were obviously able to move weight around by going with the composite crown... It may be a little late to the game but looks and sound alone are an improvement and even Mizuno admits the blue kept it out of a lot of peoples hands, including tour pros. Now, I would never fault anyone for buying the previous generation, I do it often as well, but to say that this hasn't really changed much, I don't think is accurate. Play the 180 if it works for you but for the 190 with it's upgrades at a fair market driver price, I will gladly pony up the extra dough over the 180 and I considered the 180 as well. After hitting both, there's no question for me.
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    Titleist 917f2 16.5* 
    Titleist 915h 21* 
    Srixon Z745 4-P
    Titleist Vokey SM5 50, SM7 56
    Odyssey WHP 7 34"
    Srixon Z85 stand bag
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    Nixhex524 wrote:

    halliedog wrote:


    I'll jump in.



    I will not be trying anything from this year. I will however be trying a few from last year. I never buy anything on current release when I can wait a year or two. The tech hasn't improved dramatically between the '18 Mizuno Driver and the '19 Mizuno Drivers. They may have refined a "few" things like speed/forgiveness across the entire face/ looks (and in this case I don't really mind the BLUE), but how much does that really relate to the average AM who has about a 1 1/2" strike zone? I don't know, but know that a 2019 driver/fairway/set of irons isn't going to dramatically improve my game over a set of clubs from 2018.



    I've bought a new GT180 head and a new ST180 head within the last 2 weeks for under $275 total. If I don't like either, I'll be able to recoup most of my money and consider this experiment a wash. Now what happen if I ponied up $500 for a TM M5 or Cally Flash? I'd be pretty committed to it, even if it was horrible for me, and would probably then start chasing the "perfect" shaft and spend even more.



    I have a '17 M1 440 that I like, and will probably stick with, but this is much cheaper ho'ing experience. I don't have outdoor ranges open, with every shaft available, so do a lot of self-fitting with older equipment.




    I would argue Mizuno has drastically changed this driver from the 180... It definitely sounds better, looks better, and they were obviously able to move weight around by going with the composite crown... It may be a little late to the game but looks and sound alone are an improvement and even Mizuno admits the blue kept it out of a lot of peoples hands, including tour pros. Now, I would never fault anyone for buying the previous generation, I do it often as well, but to say that this hasn't really changed much, I don't think is accurate. Play the 180 if it works for you but for the 190 with it's upgrades at a fair market driver price, I will gladly pony up the extra dough over the 180 and I considered the 180 as well. After hitting both, there's no question for me.


    Yep totally agree there. I'm 100% getting the 190 driver. But the same can't be said for the fairway - a 138cc GT 180TS is just too hard to pass up compared to how big and deep this one is. The two otherwise wouldn't be too different, it's the physical specs which make all the difference for me.
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    WITB
    • Driver - MIZUNO ST 200 (In future)
    • Fairway - MIZUNO GT 180 TS - 16 degrees - Aldila Tour Blue (X tipped to play like TX)
    • Irons - MIZUNO MP-20 Blended Set - 3-6 HMB | 7-9 Blade - KBS $ Taper 130
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  • Red4282Red4282 Members  880WRX Points: 362Posts: 880 Golden Tee
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    Nixhex524 wrote:

    halliedog wrote:


    I'll jump in.



    I will not be trying anything from this year. I will however be trying a few from last year. I never buy anything on current release when I can wait a year or two. The tech hasn't improved dramatically between the '18 Mizuno Driver and the '19 Mizuno Drivers. They may have refined a "few" things like speed/forgiveness across the entire face/ looks (and in this case I don't really mind the BLUE), but how much does that really relate to the average AM who has about a 1 1/2" strike zone? I don't know, but know that a 2019 driver/fairway/set of irons isn't going to dramatically improve my game over a set of clubs from 2018.



    I've bought a new GT180 head and a new ST180 head within the last 2 weeks for under $275 total. If I don't like either, I'll be able to recoup most of my money and consider this experiment a wash. Now what happen if I ponied up $500 for a TM M5 or Cally Flash? I'd be pretty committed to it, even if it was horrible for me, and would probably then start chasing the "perfect" shaft and spend even more.



    I have a '17 M1 440 that I like, and will probably stick with, but this is much cheaper ho'ing experience. I don't have outdoor ranges open, with every shaft available, so do a lot of self-fitting with older equipment.




    I would argue Mizuno has drastically changed this driver from the 180... It definitely sounds better, looks better, and they were obviously able to move weight around by going with the composite crown... It may be a little late to the game but looks and sound alone are an improvement and even Mizuno admits the blue kept it out of a lot of peoples hands, including tour pros. Now, I would never fault anyone for buying the previous generation, I do it often as well, but to say that this hasn't really changed much, I don't think is accurate. Play the 180 if it works for you but for the 190 with it's upgrades at a fair market driver price, I will gladly pony up the extra dough over the 180 and I considered the 180 as well. After hitting both, there's no question for me.




    I think his point is performance gains are so minimal(at best, and in most cases none) your paying over twice the price for a different color paint and sound. Which is fine if you want to. Im more along the lines of his opinion, ill save my money for other things, and still get a quality club.
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  • halliedoghalliedog Members  2563WRX Points: 338Handicap: 5.2Posts: 2,563 Titanium Tees
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    Red4282 wrote:

    Nixhex524 wrote:

    halliedog wrote:


    I'll jump in.



    I will not be trying anything from this year. I will however be trying a few from last year. I never buy anything on current release when I can wait a year or two. The tech hasn't improved dramatically between the '18 Mizuno Driver and the '19 Mizuno Drivers. They may have refined a "few" things like speed/forgiveness across the entire face/ looks (and in this case I don't really mind the BLUE), but how much does that really relate to the average AM who has about a 1 1/2" strike zone? I don't know, but know that a 2019 driver/fairway/set of irons isn't going to dramatically improve my game over a set of clubs from 2018.



    I've bought a new GT180 head and a new ST180 head within the last 2 weeks for under $275 total. If I don't like either, I'll be able to recoup most of my money and consider this experiment a wash. Now what happen if I ponied up $500 for a TM M5 or Cally Flash? I'd be pretty committed to it, even if it was horrible for me, and would probably then start chasing the "perfect" shaft and spend even more.



    I have a '17 M1 440 that I like, and will probably stick with, but this is much cheaper ho'ing experience. I don't have outdoor ranges open, with every shaft available, so do a lot of self-fitting with older equipment.




    I would argue Mizuno has drastically changed this driver from the 180... It definitely sounds better, looks better, and they were obviously able to move weight around by going with the composite crown... It may be a little late to the game but looks and sound alone are an improvement and even Mizuno admits the blue kept it out of a lot of peoples hands, including tour pros. Now, I would never fault anyone for buying the previous generation, I do it often as well, but to say that this hasn't really changed much, I don't think is accurate. Play the 180 if it works for you but for the 190 with it's upgrades at a fair market driver price, I will gladly pony up the extra dough over the 180 and I considered the 180 as well. After hitting both, there's no question for me.




    I think his point is performance gains are so minimal(at best, and in most cases none) your paying over twice the price for a different color paint and sound. Which is fine if you want to. Im more along the lines of his opinion, ill save my money for other things, and still get a quality club.




    Thank you - couldn't agree more. If the blue color really bothers you, I can completely understand, it just doesn't bother me that much and I kind of actually like it. Sound? Once again, I imagine I can deal with it, or add some hot melt. I read posts on most every new driver, and they almost all have some comments about how loud/tinny/aluminum softball bat they sound, so it's all relative and subjective.



    As others have said, its a shame Mizuno woods are so hard to find at retailers to actually demo. If I could walk into the local GG and demo the 180 vs the 190 maybe my opinion would be way different? I'll admit I'd probably prefer the black over the blue, but it's just not a deal breaker for me at the cost difference. The composite crown is intriguing, and I could definitely see them being able to put some weight in better places. Hopefully with the adjustability of the GT 180 I can make up for some of this, although that remains to be seen.
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  • aquapigaquapig Members  531WRX Points: 228Handicap: 4.9Posts: 531 Golden Tee
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    It’s not just the color or sound, although that certainly is improved. For me it’s more about the feel and performance.







    We all have different swings and sometimes a club doesn’t work for some and is perfect for others.



    I know people who love their Epic. For me, that was the worst feeling driver I’ve ever hit. It felt like I was hitting range balls instead of a ProV1.



    I’ve always played Mizuno irons and Ive always wanted to play a Mizuno driver. I’ve give their new offerings a go every year.



    This year it was the perfect combo of look, feel, sound and performance FOR ME.
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    Not correct to portray the new driver as simply a different paint scheme and a few tweaks. I really could not stand how the 180 felt or how it set up. Had nothing to do with the color for me. Really, I liked the contrast of the black face against the blue head for alignment. That was the only thing I liked about it. Sounded weird, felt bad, closed setup. I gave it to my nephew who wanted draw bias and advised he try hot melting it. But he ended up unloading it and is still using an M2.



    Mizuno did not engineer this driver from that one at all. Their chief designer said Mizuno thought the 180 was lacking in some areas. They sought a major change in thinking. This was a back-to-the-drawing-board reset and they came up with en entirely new head and construction. A much better head. Lots of guys buy older new stock. I do it all the time. But this year’s head a major step up. Tour pros try everything and what you hear is they think it blows away the 180. No way would you see a guy like Keith Mitchell move away from a TaylorMade to the 180, but he got his first win on any tour with the fixed 190.
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    Cobra F9 Speedback, 14.5 degree, Fujikura Atmos Blue 7S
    Callaway Epic Flash, 17 degree, HzRDUS Smoke 70 stiff
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    TaylorMade GAPR Hi 24, KBS TGI 80 stiff

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