Mizuno ST 190 Driver

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  • halliedoghalliedog Members Posts: 2,386 ✭✭✭✭✭✭
    dmeeksDC wrote:


    Not correct to portray the new driver as simply a different paint scheme and a few tweaks. I really could not stand how the 180 felt or how it set up. Had nothing to do with the color for me. Really, I liked the contrast of the black face against the blue head for alignment. That was the only thing I liked about it. Sounded weird, felt bad, closed setup. I gave it to my nephew who wanted draw bias and advised he try hot melting it. But he ended up unloading it and is still using an M2.



    Mizuno did not engineer this driver from that one at all. Their chief designer said Mizuno thought the 180 was lacking in some areas. They sought a major change in thinking. This was a back-to-the-drawing-board reset and they came up with en entirely new head and construction. A much better head. Lots of guys buy older new stock. I do it all the time. But this year's head a major step up. Tour pros try everything and what you hear is they think it blows away the 180. No way would you see a guy like Keith Mitchell move away from a TaylorMade to the 180, but he got his first win on any tour with the fixed 190.




    Fair enough, and point taken. Once I get to hit the ST vs GT 180 and decide what works better for me, would it be safe to assume I'd get the same or better from the same 190 head? In other words, if I hit both and absolutely love the GT over the ST in the 180, would that mean the same would probably hold true in the 190 line? As I said, to my knowledge no place around me has Mizuno woods to demo, so would be trying the 190 blind.
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  • BamicusBamicus Members Posts: 188 ✭✭✭

    Just got st 190 atmos tour spec white. Serious spin killer, long, and straight. Took my g 400 rogue in to compare, not even close! Took off spin considerably. Fitter said he thought it was the best he had of the bunch.

  • BlackM00NlightBlackM00Nlight IowaMembers Posts: 3,642 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭
    edited Mar 27, 2019 8:35pm #94

    @Bamicus said:
    Just got st 190 atmos tour spec white. Serious spin killer, long, and straight. Took my g 400 rogue in to compare, not even close! Took off spin considerably. Fitter said he thought it was the best he had of the bunch.

    Pretty sure you mean Atmos Tour Spec Black

    Mizuno ST-190G Tensei White 70X
    Mizuno ST-190TS 15* Tensei White 70X
    Mizuno CLK 19* 3 Hybrid Speeder Evo HB 95X
    Mizuno MP 18 MMC 4-P C-Taper 130X (plus 1/2" 3 up)
    Mizuno S18 50, 55, 60 C-Taper 130X soft stepped (plus 1/2" 3 up)
    Mizuno TP Mills #5
    Titleist Pro V1 X

  • bogeyprobogeypro The Original Bogeypro ALClubWRX Posts: 3,260 ClubWRX

    This driver has really been working well for me. I have the 9.5 st (non adjustable) with Atmos Black ts 6x. Great looks and feel.

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  • WdwfreakWdwfreak Golf Pro - Wisconsin Members Posts: 1,042 ✭✭✭✭✭✭
    edited Mar 28, 2019 2:06pm #96

    All in on this!

    Beat out everything for me, the Epic Flash and Cobra f9 were close but the regular ST190 9.5 turned down to 8.5 beat everything with Tensei White 70TX. Going through a couple swing changes and my numbers aren't perfect but I'm so impressed and it's $150 cheaper than the Epic, Tmags or Titleist, that's REALLY impressive.

    Really excited to get this going and beyond the numbers winning it's easily the best looking and sounding driver out this year imo. A total surprise from start to finish but it's the real deal, everyone should try this.

    Post edited by Wdwfreak on
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    Titleist 915fD 3 Diamana White 80-TX
    Titleist TS2 5 Fujikura Atmos Tour Spec 8TX
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    Titleist 718 MBs 7-9 DG X100
    Titleist Vokey SM7s 46F DG x100, 50F, 56S, 60M DG S400
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  • gioguy21gioguy21 NJMembers Posts: 7,910 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭

    @Wdwfreak solid!!!

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  • BamicusBamicus Members Posts: 188 ✭✭✭

    Thanks BlackMOONlight got pointing out it’s the black Atmos shaft.

  • Nixhex524Nixhex524 ClubWRX Posts: 4,164 ClubWRX

    @Wdwfreak ... did you try the 190G to see if you could get the spin down a little more? Solid numbers, love the dispersion chart. How do you find the 190 comparing in ball speeds to what you normally see? Faster for me, just curious if others are seeing the same.

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  • blackngold_bloodblackngold_blood Golf Ball Whacker Guy Members Posts: 1,034 ✭✭✭✭✭✭

    For those playing the 190g or has demoed both, do these seem like there is about 30* of loft when soled? The ST190 9.5* head I bought just showed up and man does it look like it has 6 iron loft! Lol

    WITB

    Work in progress and will be updated after St. Andrews!!


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  • BlackM00NlightBlackM00Nlight IowaMembers Posts: 3,642 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭

    @blackngold_blood said:
    For those playing the 190g or has demoed both, do these seem like there is about 30* of loft when soled? The ST190 9.5* head I bought just showed up and man does it look like it has 6 iron loft! Lol

    Can’t say that it seems like it’s lofted that high though the rolled black top could promote that appearance. Does it look open to you? The face is square but the top line looks open to me. Haha

    Mizuno ST-190G Tensei White 70X
    Mizuno ST-190TS 15* Tensei White 70X
    Mizuno CLK 19* 3 Hybrid Speeder Evo HB 95X
    Mizuno MP 18 MMC 4-P C-Taper 130X (plus 1/2" 3 up)
    Mizuno S18 50, 55, 60 C-Taper 130X soft stepped (plus 1/2" 3 up)
    Mizuno TP Mills #5
    Titleist Pro V1 X

  • blackngold_bloodblackngold_blood Golf Ball Whacker Guy Members Posts: 1,034 ✭✭✭✭✭✭

    @BlackM00Nlight said:

    @blackngold_blood said:
    For those playing the 190g or has demoed both, do these seem like there is about 30* of loft when soled? The ST190 9.5* head I bought just showed up and man does it look like it has 6 iron loft! Lol

    Can’t say that it seems like it’s lofted that high though the rolled black top could promote that appearance. Does it look open to you? The face is square but the top line looks open to me. Haha

    I actually thought it looks a little closed to my eye. Lol. I like to sole my driver before I take my grip with the driver and when I unboxed it and sat it on the counter it looked like it had massive loft. Not from address but from the side while on the counter.

    WITB

    Work in progress and will be updated after St. Andrews!!


    Ball: OnCore Elixr
  • BlackM00NlightBlackM00Nlight IowaMembers Posts: 3,642 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭

    Haha! Crazy how everyone percieves things uniquely. 🤷🏼‍♂️😂

    Mizuno ST-190G Tensei White 70X
    Mizuno ST-190TS 15* Tensei White 70X
    Mizuno CLK 19* 3 Hybrid Speeder Evo HB 95X
    Mizuno MP 18 MMC 4-P C-Taper 130X (plus 1/2" 3 up)
    Mizuno S18 50, 55, 60 C-Taper 130X soft stepped (plus 1/2" 3 up)
    Mizuno TP Mills #5
    Titleist Pro V1 X

  • BlackM00NlightBlackM00Nlight IowaMembers Posts: 3,642 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭

    Anyone here any whispering of a new ST-190 hybrid line by chance? The CLK is several years old already and just curious before filing out $250 if there was an update a smidge behind the driver/fairway.

    Mizuno ST-190G Tensei White 70X
    Mizuno ST-190TS 15* Tensei White 70X
    Mizuno CLK 19* 3 Hybrid Speeder Evo HB 95X
    Mizuno MP 18 MMC 4-P C-Taper 130X (plus 1/2" 3 up)
    Mizuno S18 50, 55, 60 C-Taper 130X soft stepped (plus 1/2" 3 up)
    Mizuno TP Mills #5
    Titleist Pro V1 X

  • third-times-a-charmthird-times-a-charm Members Posts: 1,750 ✭✭✭✭✭✭

    @BlackM00Nlight said:
    Anyone here any whispering of a new ST-190 hybrid line by chance? The CLK is several years old already and just curious before filing out $250 if there was an update a smidge behind the driver/fairway.

    The CLK can be had for $120 new on ebay all day long...spring for one of those.

  • WdwfreakWdwfreak Golf Pro - Wisconsin Members Posts: 1,042 ✭✭✭✭✭✭

    @Nixhex524 said:
    @Wdwfreak ... did you try the 190G to see if you could get the spin down a little more? Solid numbers, love the dispersion chart. How do you find the 190 comparing in ball speeds to what you normally see? Faster for me, just curious if others are seeing the same.

    Did my testing with a tensei white untipped and I find that helps me bring that down a couple hundred rpms when my completed driver is tipped 1".

    I did try the G, saw more ballspeed retention on the 190 as well as slightly more fade biased on the 190 which I don't mind. Lastly I just didn't think I needed the adjustability. The spin wasn't very far off between either model, others may see something different.

    The ballspeed was higher than any other driver, no doubt. It was enormous, first thing that jumped out to me in testing

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  • BlackM00NlightBlackM00Nlight IowaMembers Posts: 3,642 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭

    @third-times-a-charm said:

    @BlackM00Nlight said:
    Anyone here any whispering of a new ST-190 hybrid line by chance? The CLK is several years old already and just curious before filing out $250 if there was an update a smidge behind the driver/fairway.

    The CLK can be had for $120 new on ebay all day long...spring for one of those.

    Not in an X flex shaft 🤷🏼‍♂️

    Mizuno ST-190G Tensei White 70X
    Mizuno ST-190TS 15* Tensei White 70X
    Mizuno CLK 19* 3 Hybrid Speeder Evo HB 95X
    Mizuno MP 18 MMC 4-P C-Taper 130X (plus 1/2" 3 up)
    Mizuno S18 50, 55, 60 C-Taper 130X soft stepped (plus 1/2" 3 up)
    Mizuno TP Mills #5
    Titleist Pro V1 X

  • BlackM00NlightBlackM00Nlight IowaMembers Posts: 3,642 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭
    edited Mar 29, 2019 2:46pm #108

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    Post edited by BlackM00Nlight on
    Mizuno ST-190G Tensei White 70X
    Mizuno ST-190TS 15* Tensei White 70X
    Mizuno CLK 19* 3 Hybrid Speeder Evo HB 95X
    Mizuno MP 18 MMC 4-P C-Taper 130X (plus 1/2" 3 up)
    Mizuno S18 50, 55, 60 C-Taper 130X soft stepped (plus 1/2" 3 up)
    Mizuno TP Mills #5
    Titleist Pro V1 X

  • third-times-a-charmthird-times-a-charm Members Posts: 1,750 ✭✭✭✭✭✭

    @BlackM00Nlight said:

    @third-times-a-charm said:

    @BlackM00Nlight said:
    Anyone here any whispering of a new ST-190 hybrid line by chance? The CLK is several years old already and just curious before filing out $250 if there was an update a smidge behind the driver/fairway.

    The CLK can be had for $120 new on ebay all day long...spring for one of those.

    Not in an X flex shaft 🤷🏼‍♂️

    I guess, I got one in S flex for $110 shipped a few months ago. Theyre really not that old...2017 I think?

  • BlackM00NlightBlackM00Nlight IowaMembers Posts: 3,642 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭

    @third-times-a-charm said:

    @BlackM00Nlight said:

    @third-times-a-charm said:

    @BlackM00Nlight said:
    Anyone here any whispering of a new ST-190 hybrid line by chance? The CLK is several years old already and just curious before filing out $250 if there was an update a smidge behind the driver/fairway.

    The CLK can be had for $120 new on ebay all day long...spring for one of those.

    Not in an X flex shaft 🤷🏼‍♂️

    I guess, I got one in S flex for $110 shipped a few months ago. Theyre really not that old...2017 I think?

    Yeah, 2 years. That's seemingly the cycle for everyone's lineup these days. Just don't want to have happen to me like some with the G400 Max, dropping a few months later after the rest of the cycle.

    I have located a mint condition X flex but its 1.5" over standard (facepalm). Just as well order a new one with the heavy x-flex shaft upright with shaft logo down and my grip/wraps on it.

    Mizuno ST-190G Tensei White 70X
    Mizuno ST-190TS 15* Tensei White 70X
    Mizuno CLK 19* 3 Hybrid Speeder Evo HB 95X
    Mizuno MP 18 MMC 4-P C-Taper 130X (plus 1/2" 3 up)
    Mizuno S18 50, 55, 60 C-Taper 130X soft stepped (plus 1/2" 3 up)
    Mizuno TP Mills #5
    Titleist Pro V1 X

  • third-times-a-charmthird-times-a-charm Members Posts: 1,750 ✭✭✭✭✭✭

    @BlackM00Nlight said:
    I have located a mint condition X flex but its 1.5" over standard (facepalm). Just as well order a new one with the heavy x-flex shaft upright with shaft logo down and my grip/wraps on it.

    I was gonna say...just order any head in good shape and in any weird flex then put your own shaft on it lol

  • gsrjcgsrjc TOC Members Posts: 1,516 ✭✭✭✭✭✭

    I tried the ST190G 9.5 at standard setting with both weights in the middle of the rails a few days ago with a tensei white CK 70g shaft. Trajectory and ball flight was what I wanted as it was similar to my M3 Tour with a Devotion 7 shaft. The question I don’t know if the ball speed. I’m going to have to test it with trackman to see.

  • BlackM00NlightBlackM00Nlight IowaMembers Posts: 3,642 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭

    @blackngold_blood said:
    It is here! Crappy weather today so I didn't get a chance to hit it but hopefully tomorrow is better.


    Make it out today?

    Mizuno ST-190G Tensei White 70X
    Mizuno ST-190TS 15* Tensei White 70X
    Mizuno CLK 19* 3 Hybrid Speeder Evo HB 95X
    Mizuno MP 18 MMC 4-P C-Taper 130X (plus 1/2" 3 up)
    Mizuno S18 50, 55, 60 C-Taper 130X soft stepped (plus 1/2" 3 up)
    Mizuno TP Mills #5
    Titleist Pro V1 X

  • blackngold_bloodblackngold_blood Golf Ball Whacker Guy Members Posts: 1,034 ✭✭✭✭✭✭

    @BlackM00Nlight said:

    @blackngold_blood said:
    It is here! Crappy weather today so I didn't get a chance to hit it but hopefully tomorrow is better.


    Make it out today?

    Unfortunately no. I am on call this weekend and today seemed like the day for everyone's sewer to back up or furnace to quit working. Maybe next weekend!

    WITB

    Work in progress and will be updated after St. Andrews!!


    Ball: OnCore Elixr
  • BlackM00NlightBlackM00Nlight IowaMembers Posts: 3,642 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭

    @blackngold_blood said:

    @BlackM00Nlight said:

    @blackngold_blood said:
    It is here! Crappy weather today so I didn't get a chance to hit it but hopefully tomorrow is better.


    Make it out today?

    Unfortunately no. I am on call this weekend and today seemed like the day for everyone's sewer to back up or furnace to quit working. Maybe next weekend!

    Shucks! I haven’t been out yet either since getting mine Thursday

    Mizuno ST-190G Tensei White 70X
    Mizuno ST-190TS 15* Tensei White 70X
    Mizuno CLK 19* 3 Hybrid Speeder Evo HB 95X
    Mizuno MP 18 MMC 4-P C-Taper 130X (plus 1/2" 3 up)
    Mizuno S18 50, 55, 60 C-Taper 130X soft stepped (plus 1/2" 3 up)
    Mizuno TP Mills #5
    Titleist Pro V1 X

  • gsrjcgsrjc TOC Members Posts: 1,516 ✭✭✭✭✭✭

    Looks good. What made you choose regular over the G version?

  • evoviiiyouevoviiiyou evoviiiyou Members Posts: 2,007 ✭✭✭✭✭✭
    edited Apr 1, 2019 10:01pm #118
    Post edited by evoviiiyou on

    Mizuno ST190 10.5/ Fuji Speeder TR 661S/ PURE Wrap BLK
    Mizuno CLK 16/ Nippon Modus Tour 130S/ PURE Wrap BLK
    Mizuno JPX FliHi 19/ Modus Tour 130S/ PURE Wrap WHT
    Mizuno JPX919F 4-9iron Nippon SPO S/ PURE Wrap BLK
    Mizuno JPX919T PW Nippon SPO S/ PURE Wrap BLK
    Mizuno S18 Wedges 50&56/ Modus 120S/ PURE Wrap BLK
    SeeMore M1B/ Satin Black Conti Golf/ Super Stroke Slim CC

  • blackngold_bloodblackngold_blood Golf Ball Whacker Guy Members Posts: 1,034 ✭✭✭✭✭✭

    @gsrjc said:
    Looks good. What made you choose regular over the G version?

    I went with the regular for the extra forgiveness. I actually haven’t hit either as of yet, hoping for some nice weather this weekend since I am finally not on call. For me though I am ok with not making out distance for a few more fairways as I play a lot of PW and GW into greens on my current courses anyways.

    WITB

    Work in progress and will be updated after St. Andrews!!


    Ball: OnCore Elixr
  • gsrjcgsrjc TOC Members Posts: 1,516 ✭✭✭✭✭✭

    @blackngold_blood said:

    @gsrjc said:
    Looks good. What made you choose regular over the G version?

    I went with the regular for the extra forgiveness. I actually haven’t hit either as of yet, hoping for some nice weather this weekend since I am finally not on call. For me though I am ok with not making out distance for a few more fairways as I play a lot of PW and GW into greens on my current courses anyways.

    I see on the forgiveness. I will admit the regular does have more forgiveness. let us know how it works for you as i'm still considering a new driver but after this past weekend with the m3 tour gamer, it might be tough to knock that out of the bag.

  • JimGantzJimGantz Members Posts: 120 ✭✭✭

    Got fit for the ST190 w/ Atmos TS Black 6x in sub 40 degree weather and a headwind. It just got delivered last Thursday. Bad weather all weekend, but we're looking at 70s and sunny this weekend. Excited to get it in play in decent conditions.

    Mizuno ST190 / Fujikura Atmos Tour Spec Black 6X
    Taylormade M4 3W / Tensei Orange
    Nike Vapor Fly Pro 2i / HZRDUS Black
    Mizuno JPX 900T 4-9 / KBS C Taper S
    47* Cobra Tour Trusty / KBS 610 S
    53* Cobra King V Grind / KBS 610 S
    59* Cobra King C Grind / KBS 610 S
    Scotty Cameron Studio Select Newport
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