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  • andyville99andyville99  490WRX Points: 74Members Posts: 490
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    Thanks for pointing me to the other thread!!

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  • Nixhex524Nixhex524  4403WRX Points: 315ClubWRX Posts: 4,403
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    Turned my 190G in for the F9... not because it was a bad driver, I just don't think it was the right combo... Could hit some real bombs, but then some really erratic drives on the next hole. If the F9 doesn't live up the regular 190 with the Atmos blue or Tensei blue will get a shot... The 190G may be spinning just a tad too low for me, but when hit well, it's an absolute cannon...

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  • bbfifasbbfifas  501WRX Points: 116Members Posts: 501
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    On -, @Oknows said:

    Hit the ST190 yesterday. Surprisingly forgiving, but the sound and feel are amazing. Longer than my 400 max and I haven't really tuned it in yet. Might need to add some weight to the head, but we'll see. Definitely going to get an extended look.

    Yes the sound and feel are really impressive with this one. Very pleasing to the eye. I will say the hosel has made a difference, I had it -1 loft and upright position and could hit nothing but big draws. I since changed it to the regular -1 loft position and boom straight to slight draw balls.

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    Mizuno St190, 8.5*, Tensei White 70X shaft
    Cobra FLY Z+ 3 wood, orange, aldila tour blue stiff, 14.5*
    Taylormade V-Steel 5 wood, stock stiff
    Cobra F7 Hybrid 20* stiff Fuji Pro 75
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    Cleveland CBX 50*, 115g DG
    place holder - currently 56* ATV wedge
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  • OknowsOknows  1186WRX Points: 99Members Posts: 1,186
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    As awesome as the sound and feel are, I think I was as impressed with off-center strikes. I hit a couple toward the heel that I would have expected to have some significant right on them and they stayed online for the most part. Plays at 44.5 right now and is at D1. I usually play 45 and D3 or D4. Going to hit a few more and then maybe extend to 45 or add some head weight to get to D3.

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  • gioguy21gioguy21 NJ 8086WRX Points: 1,336Members Posts: 8,086
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    i'm going after work for a driver fitting -- i have this, the G410+, TS3, and the EFSZ on my radar.

    how does this driver spin compared to the G410+ and the EFSZ?

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  • Lord HelmetLord Helmet  8782WRX Points: 296Members Posts: 8,782
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    Does anyone else think the driver looks like it has 25* of loft at address? Odd.

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  • bbfifasbbfifas  501WRX Points: 116Members Posts: 501
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    On -, @Lord Helmet said:

    Does anyone else think the driver looks like it has 25* of loft at address? Odd.

    Hmm nope. Maybe because it has some radius to the edge where the face meets the top?

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    Mizuno St190, 8.5*, Tensei White 70X shaft
    Cobra FLY Z+ 3 wood, orange, aldila tour blue stiff, 14.5*
    Taylormade V-Steel 5 wood, stock stiff
    Cobra F7 Hybrid 20* stiff Fuji Pro 75
    Cobra Forged Tec 5-PW, KBS C-taper lite stiff
    Cleveland CBX 50*, 115g DG
    place holder - currently 56* ATV wedge
    Vokey 58M
    Scotty Select Newport, 73* lie, 1* loft, 34"
    Bridegstone Tour BX

  • bbfifasbbfifas  501WRX Points: 116Members Posts: 501
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    On -, @gioguy21 said:

    i'm going after work for a driver fitting -- i have this, the G410+, TS3, and the EFSZ on my radar.

    how does this driver spin compared to the G410+ and the EFSZ?

    I did an outdoor fitting and my pro carries and likes the Epics Line up. It was similar with the ST190 slightly better. I did not care for the busy graphics on the face of the Epic but that club performs also. Try the Tensei White X in the Mizuno. Best ball speeds and smash by far for me. Only combo that gave me a few 1.49 smash factors. Above all else have fun! 3 good choices.

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    Mizuno St190, 8.5*, Tensei White 70X shaft
    Cobra FLY Z+ 3 wood, orange, aldila tour blue stiff, 14.5*
    Taylormade V-Steel 5 wood, stock stiff
    Cobra F7 Hybrid 20* stiff Fuji Pro 75
    Cobra Forged Tec 5-PW, KBS C-taper lite stiff
    Cleveland CBX 50*, 115g DG
    place holder - currently 56* ATV wedge
    Vokey 58M
    Scotty Select Newport, 73* lie, 1* loft, 34"
    Bridegstone Tour BX

  • DevilDogDevilDog  1837WRX Points: 113Members Posts: 1,837
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    Ok guys who have or have hit ST190 I want some assistance if you please. My son, a 15 year old scratch player with a 107 mph swing speed, is needing a driver upgrade. Mizuno will be conducting a demo day at the home course Sunday. I read the Tensei blue and Tensei white shafts seem to work well. Son seems to prefer low to mid shafts and low to low mid spin. If those shafts are available, I will have him try those. What other shafts would you recommend?

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  • OknowsOknows  1186WRX Points: 99Members Posts: 1,186
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    On -, @DevilDog said:

    Ok guys who have or have hit ST190 I want some assistance if you please. My son, a 15 year old scratch player with a 107 mph swing speed, is needing a driver upgrade. Mizuno will be conducting a demo day at the home course Sunday. I read the Tensei blue and Tensei white shafts seem to work well. Son seems to prefer low to mid shafts and low to low mid spin. If those shafts are available, I will have him try those. What other shafts would you recommend?

    Atmos Black
    I have a Diamana W series in mine. Love the shaft. Haven’t had enough time to see if it’s a good combination or not.

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    Cleveland RTX 4 xlow 58* w/ DG TI s400
    SC Circa 62 #3
  • bbfifasbbfifas  501WRX Points: 116Members Posts: 501
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    On -, @gioguy21 said:

    i'm going after work for a driver fitting -- i have this, the G410+, TS3, and the EFSZ on my radar.

    how does this driver spin compared to the G410+ and the EFSZ?

    How did testing go?

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    Mizuno St190, 8.5*, Tensei White 70X shaft
    Cobra FLY Z+ 3 wood, orange, aldila tour blue stiff, 14.5*
    Taylormade V-Steel 5 wood, stock stiff
    Cobra F7 Hybrid 20* stiff Fuji Pro 75
    Cobra Forged Tec 5-PW, KBS C-taper lite stiff
    Cleveland CBX 50*, 115g DG
    place holder - currently 56* ATV wedge
    Vokey 58M
    Scotty Select Newport, 73* lie, 1* loft, 34"
    Bridegstone Tour BX

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  • gioguy21gioguy21 NJ 8086WRX Points: 1,336Members Posts: 8,086
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    On -, @bbfifas said:

    On -, @gioguy21 said:

    i'm going after work for a driver fitting -- i have this, the G410+, TS3, and the EFSZ on my radar.

    how does this driver spin compared to the G410+ and the EFSZ?

    How did testing go?

    well, i didn't even get to properly test the ST190 -- since they didn't have an x flex shaft in the matrix for me to try. smh. ended up with the epic flash sz

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    Epic Flash SZ / 9* (set D/S) / Fujikura Pro 2.0 TS 6X tipped 1.50"
    Epic Flash SZ / 3+ (set -1/N) / HZRDUS Smoke Black 75g 6.5 tipped 2"
    Epic CF17 3i / Tensei PW Hybrid 100TX
    Apex MB Chrome / 3-PW / Modus 130 X
    MD4 Chrome / 52, 56, 60 / DG 115 S200 (for now)
    Piretti Tour 801R / 35.5"

  • bbfifasbbfifas  501WRX Points: 116Members Posts: 501
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    On -, @gioguy21 said:

    On -, @bbfifas said:

    On -, @gioguy21 said:

    i'm going after work for a driver fitting -- i have this, the G410+, TS3, and the EFSZ on my radar.

    how does this driver spin compared to the G410+ and the EFSZ?

    How did testing go?

    well, i didn't even get to properly test the ST190 -- since they didn't have an x flex shaft in the matrix for me to try. smh. ended up with the epic flash sz

    Ahh man that stinks....weird they would not have extra shafts.....O well the SZ is a solid club and it looks like it will match your others well. What kind of #'s you see with SZ? Which shafts were good?

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    Mizuno St190, 8.5*, Tensei White 70X shaft
    Cobra FLY Z+ 3 wood, orange, aldila tour blue stiff, 14.5*
    Taylormade V-Steel 5 wood, stock stiff
    Cobra F7 Hybrid 20* stiff Fuji Pro 75
    Cobra Forged Tec 5-PW, KBS C-taper lite stiff
    Cleveland CBX 50*, 115g DG
    place holder - currently 56* ATV wedge
    Vokey 58M
    Scotty Select Newport, 73* lie, 1* loft, 34"
    Bridegstone Tour BX

  • gioguy21gioguy21 NJ 8086WRX Points: 1,336Members Posts: 8,086
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    On -, @bbfifas said:

    On -, @gioguy21 said:

    On -, @bbfifas said:

    On -, @gioguy21 said:

    i'm going after work for a driver fitting -- i have this, the G410+, TS3, and the EFSZ on my radar.

    how does this driver spin compared to the G410+ and the EFSZ?

    How did testing go?

    well, i didn't even get to properly test the ST190 -- since they didn't have an x flex shaft in the matrix for me to try. smh. ended up with the epic flash sz

    Ahh man that stinks....weird they would not have extra shafts.....O well the SZ is a solid club and it looks like it will match your others well. What kind of #'s you see with SZ? Which shafts were good?

    the stock hzrdus smoke 70g 6.5 was actually really good for me. 171-173 ballspeeds, 11.0-11.5* launch, 1950-2200 spin on good strikes and dispersion was very good as well.

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    Epic Flash SZ / 9* (set D/S) / Fujikura Pro 2.0 TS 6X tipped 1.50"
    Epic Flash SZ / 3+ (set -1/N) / HZRDUS Smoke Black 75g 6.5 tipped 2"
    Epic CF17 3i / Tensei PW Hybrid 100TX
    Apex MB Chrome / 3-PW / Modus 130 X
    MD4 Chrome / 52, 56, 60 / DG 115 S200 (for now)
    Piretti Tour 801R / 35.5"

  • Hammer22Hammer22  597WRX Points: 146Members Posts: 597
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    On -, @DevilDog said:

    Ok guys who have or have hit ST190 I want some assistance if you please. My son, a 15 year old scratch player with a 107 mph swing speed, is needing a driver upgrade. Mizuno will be conducting a demo day at the home course Sunday. I read the Tensei blue and Tensei white shafts seem to work well. Son seems to prefer low to mid shafts and low to low mid spin. If those shafts are available, I will have him try those. What other shafts would you recommend?

    You can go right to the Mizuno site and look at the shaft line-up. The specs are easy to digest.

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  • MalcMalc  245WRX Points: 54Members Posts: 245
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    Just bagged a G for a great price and it arrived today. Fitted with the Atmos black 6s, testing will start next week. Presently using an M4 with Haz black in stiff so we'll see if it out blasts that.

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  • MalcMalc  245WRX Points: 54Members Posts: 245
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    These things arn't shy in the distance stakes. Hit my first 20 today and it all feels good. Initial test, both weights forward, upright setting and 1 degree lower on the loft. Great feel and sound. This gave me a good base setting so i'll see what to dabble with next.

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  • Bobb3rdownBobb3rdown Bothell, WA 714WRX Points: 188Members Posts: 714
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    My st190 should be here by the weekend. Gonna put a tensei blue pro in it. Really liked the atmos blue it comes with. Was just just to loose for me. The tensei should be a good fit. I play that shaft in my 910d3 right now

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  • rxk9fanrxk9fan Midwest 865WRX Points: 209Members Posts: 865
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    I have been playing mine for probably 10 rounds now. 1 or 2 off days but that was of course garbage in and garbage out. I think I am past the honeymoon and this one is the first that has removed all thoughts about moving back to a beloved M2. I think it feels a little light but it keeps finding fairways and long for me. Played with a local college player yesterday. We had 349 par 4 from an elevated tee and about 7 - 10 mph behind us. He flew the left green side trap and I was only about 60 yards back LOL. I would trade my 190 for his years :-)

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    Taylormade M5 driver with Oban Kiyoshi Tour Limited stiff 
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    Taylormade M4 tour 5 wood with Tensei Blue stiff
    Taylormade M6 Rescue 19 degree with Atmos orange stiff
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    First single OEM I have played and love it
  • Bobb3rdownBobb3rdown Bothell, WA 714WRX Points: 188Members Posts: 714
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    Let the shaft hoing begin. Had this laying around from my 910d3. Original v2 76 stiff. Gonna tip it to get rid of the hosel marks from the titleist tip. Playing 44.5 was playing 45.5 in the titleist so some room to play. Got a tensei pro blue on the way as well

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    Adams pro mini 20
    Bridgestone tour b x-cb 4-pw 
    Vokey sm7 50.12, sm7 56.10, sm6 62.08
    Maltby ptm-4
    2018 Players 5 stand bag
    Srixon Z Star xv
  • grumpy84grumpy84  604WRX Points: 100Members Posts: 604
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    On -, @Lord Helmet said:

    Does anyone else think the driver looks like it has 25* of loft at address? Odd.

    Yup, head I received looked like it had as much loft showing as my 7w, even in full lower with a 9.5* head....completely different than the demo head I hit, which I loved.
    Couldn't get passed it and sold it on the bst. Wanted to love it but the face angle and the look of extreme loft showing killed it for me.

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  • Lord HelmetLord Helmet  8782WRX Points: 296Members Posts: 8,782
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    On -, @grumpy84 said:

    On -, @Lord Helmet said:

    Does anyone else think the driver looks like it has 25* of loft at address? Odd.

    Yup, head I received looked like it had as much loft showing as my 7w, even in full lower with a 9.5* head....completely different than the demo head I hit, which I loved.
    Couldn't get passed it and sold it on the bst. Wanted to love it but the face angle and the look of extreme loft showing killed it for me.

    Glad I wasnt the only one. Sold mine too.

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  • MalcMalc  245WRX Points: 54Members Posts: 245
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    I'm sure i read somewhere that it's to do with the line that goes around the top edge of the head. It's supposed to inspire confidence whilst using lower lofts. Iv'e got the G head, not sure if theyre all the same. One thing for sure, when you mince it, it aint short. Still fiddling with all the settings but like all adjustables, when you change something it seems to alter the whole feel of the shaft.

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  • aquapigaquapig  328WRX Points: 158Members Posts: 328
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    Still loving mine after about 25 rounds.
    I had the TS3 before this (had it stolen) and so far I'm to missing that driver at all.
    Looks great, feels better, as long as anything else and it finds fairways.
    Always played Mizuno irons and wanted to like their drivers but never hit one I liked until this one.
    Everything I want in driver.

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  • OknowsOknows  1186WRX Points: 99Members Posts: 1,186
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    Still testing an ST190 against my 400Max. Better sound and feel. Looks better at address. Definitely a bit longer. Not enough time with it yet to tell if it is the fairway finder that the Max is, but it’s definitely forgiving.

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    Ping G 3 wood @ 16.5 w/ Tour 80
    Mizuno MP 18 MMC w/ Nippon Modus 120
    Cleveland CBX 2.0 54* w/ DG TI s400
    Cleveland RTX 4 xlow 58* w/ DG TI s400
    SC Circa 62 #3
  • chigolfer1chigolfer1  1217WRX Points: 288Members Posts: 1,217
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    I have an old JPX driver with the Orochi shaft in stiff flex. Any idea how this compares to the Atmos Red or Blue in the ST190? I did some google'ing and didn't see anything of help.

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  • Bobb3rdownBobb3rdown Bothell, WA 714WRX Points: 188Members Posts: 714
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    Just got mine back today. 9.5 st190 ust proforce v2 76 stiff. Playing 44.5" swingweights d3.5 can't wait to get it to the range tomorrow. And play this weekend.

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  • chigolfer1chigolfer1  1217WRX Points: 288Members Posts: 1,217
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    Sorry if this has been discussed but this is very interesting in light of what I'm reading in the F9 thread and hitting it lower than the center and how much worse it performs. As was discussed in that thread, drivers are really meant to be hit at the midline and above. Apparently, they have tried to somewhat mitigate that through the below:

    "Mizuno defines CORAREA as the part of the face that measures greater than .80 COR. The lower you go on the face, COR drops off, as does ball speed. “That’s because the ball is impacting on the more rigid part of the face,” says Voshall. “What we’re trying to do is make that bottom part act more like the center or the top.”
    The WAVE sole softens that acute angle to get a little more trampolining lower on the face. "

    https://****.com/first-look-take-two-mizuno-st-190-drivers-fairway-woods/

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  • aquapigaquapig  328WRX Points: 158Members Posts: 328
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    Still loving mine. Won't be changing drivers for a long time. Can't imagine anything with the all round look, feel, sound and performance.

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    On -, @aquapig said:

    Still loving mine. Won't be changing drivers for a long time. Can't imagine anything with the all round look, feel, sound and performance.

    Just ordered mine.

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