Are the equipment companies killing golf?

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  • cgasuckscgasucks Members Posts: 2,161 ✭✭
    edited Dec 6, 2018 #32
    I've been playing this game since 2000 and it's always been like that every year will all of the OEMs. The first 4 or 5 years of me playing there were real gains in technology driver wise as OEMs were approaching maximum COR and 460 CC clubhead size and that impressed me since one can truly gain more distance. Once both were achieved, the gains were marginal and every year the OEMs had to figure out a way how to repackage the wheel and convince you it's the latest and greatest.



    To me there were pretty much zero gains in iron technology. The only thing that changed is that the lofts are getting stronger and sets are now being sold from a 3-PW to a 4-GW with hybrids filling the distance gaps. I wouldn't be surprised if 5-SW sets will be the norm 10 years from now.
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    Titleist DCI 990 Irons (3-PW) with stock Dynamic Gold shafts in S300
    Taylormade ATV 54 deg & 58 deg wedges with stock KBS shafts
    Taylormade V-Steel 5W & 3W with Grafalloy Prolaunch Red shafts
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  • JabbathePuttJabbathePutt Members Posts: 37 ✭✭
    I don't think the OEM's or boutique companies are destroying the game at all. I think the selection is great actually. Nobody is forcing anyone to go out and buy the latest and greatest $500 driver. If you have the means to buy new, than the market is great. The amount of used equipment on BST and Ebay is awesome for those who don't need everything brand spanking new. I'm still playing Ping i5's because they are durable and I love they way they look and set up at address, but if I wanted to change I have a multitude of options at my fingertips. That's the great thing about this day and age, the access to new equipment, used equipment, heck even NOS equipment.



    Remember, not that long ago one could only buy quality clubs at pro shops, catalogs, and maybe get lucky at garage or estate sales, inventory and customized options were limited. That amount and variety of quality equipment available today is staggering, and you don't necessarily need to break the bank for it. For a golf nut this is awesome!!!
    I can play golf till the break of dawn......till the break of dawn!!!!
  • ItsjustagameItsjustagame Members Posts: 1,262 ✭✭
    Cars, televisions, phones, computers, etc. We are a consumer driven economy.
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  • playaplaya Members Posts: 8,714 ✭✭
    For me personally I love new stuff coming out every 6 months. It makes stuff a couple years old obsolete and thus very cheap for me to buy. This is especially true for golf balls.
  • jll62jll62 ClubWRX Posts: 1,992 ClubWRX
    edited Dec 6, 2018 #36
    bkloess wrote:


    With how quickly the large companies churn out new clubs, do you think that the average golfer is fed up with it? Does technology keep advancing that rapidly that club makers have to come out with a product that is that much better than the previous line? Tell me what you think.




    No. The average golfer is not nearly as hyper aware of product releases as the people on this site. The average golfers with whom I play only buy new drivers every 3-4 years. They buy irons even less frequently.



    These players don't give a second thought to all the new clubs that are introduced. Do you know why? Because normal people understand that companies in all industries release upgrades to products and they don't get all bent out of shape about it. It's literally a non-issue. The members of GolfWRX do not represent the golf equipment market as a whole. We're a blip.



    These players do not buy clubs and worry about resale value; they buy clubs to use them. They also do not salivate over the deals on prior year clubs. After a few years, once the "magic has worn off" their clubs, they go and buy whatever is currently the hottest thing on the market.
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  • BY#99BY#99 Posts: 321 ✭✭
    As long as people continue to buy then companies will continue to sell in the cycles they sell at currently. I think most would agree that tech year to year is not changing so much that it is going to send your game to another level. Most of it it look, feel or in between you ears. Most people I know have a bag that is at least a few years old other than drivers. Irons typically 4-5-6 years old. But people are buying so they will keep churning them out.
  • Big BenBig Ben Members Posts: 8,930 ✭✭
    edited Dec 7, 2018 #38
    Golf is my hobby, I enjoy tinkering and coming up with unique configurations. I’m not looking for the magic bullet just having some fun. I for one am glad they keep making equipment.
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    Drivers: Titleist TS3 & Cobra F9
    Fairway: Titleist 917F2
    Hybrid: A-Grind
    2 iron: Ping Rapture
    Wedges: Ping Gorge 2.0 Stealth's
    Putter: Evnroll 9.1
    Balls: ProV1
  • JutJut "Don't give up. Don't ever give up." Members Posts: 708 ✭✭
    I actually wish they’d come out with more stuff, more often. I love it. Love the pictures of new gear. Love the forums. Love how prices fall when new stuff comes out. Love reading/watching reviews. I love everything about golf. The wife be jealous.
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  • hybrid25hybrid25 michiganMembers Posts: 1,536 ✭✭
    I wish Odyssey would come out with a putter that has a decent face on it.
  • ChipNRunChipNRun Members Posts: 1,169 ✭✭
    Back in 2008, I bought the Callaway HyperX Tour driver after its first price cut. It won out over six other drivers i was fitted for over a one-hour trial (this was pre-adjustable heads). I could carry the ball about 230 yards with it on a good hit, and get some roll.



    The next year a couple of new Calla drivers came out, offering gains of +12 yards. Then came the RazrHawk, with more yards. I bought a lighter-shafted RazrFit, and two years ago an XR16 Pro which works quite well. The Epic is supposed to be better (only + 6 yards on a test), and the Rogue line - haven't had time to hit.



    With all the promised yardage gains, I should carry my tee shots 320 yards - but it's not happening!



    Am I holding the club wrong? Am I holding the wrong club right? Or, ... could the promises just be marketing hype?
    What's In The Bag *...

    Driver: Calla XR16 Pro 10.5° (set open) / Fuji Evolution II TS Speeder 665 R-flex 63 gr.
    FWs: Tour Edge XRail 4W + 7W / GraphiteDesign G60 R-flex 60 gr.
    or Calla Alpha 815, set 16° + 20° / Fuji Motore Speeder 665 R-flex 62 gr.
    Hybrid: Cobra FlyZ 3H 19° + 4H 22° / Matrix VLCT Altus Lite flex 73 gr.
    Irons: Tour Edge CB Pro Tungsten 4i - PW** / KBS Tour 90 R-flex 95 gr. (As of 21 Nov 2018)
    Wedge: Calla MD3 48°/8.SS + 54°/12.WS +
    MD.PM 60°/10 / KBS Tour R-flex 110 gr. |
    Putter: Slotline Inertial SL-583F / 34" w. SuperStroke 2.0 MidSlim grip
    Bag: Sun Mountain Three 5 stand bag
    Ball: Calla SuperSoft
    * Either 7W or 3H left out, depending on course.
    ** Wedges: 46°and 48°are competing for bag space.
  • BonesawBonesaw Posts: 530 ✭✭
    This is the golden age of golf equipment.



    Fitting carts galore. No upcharge shafts abound. Reliable launch monitors in abundance.



    Innovation is king, 3 month releases are dead. TM and callway (or the other way around) dominated 2016 into 17 with the m2 and epic. Now it seems the g400 max is dominating. A new chapter in irons has been opened with pxg/790/g700/i500etc.



    If golf is dieing it is not due to equipment releases.
  • playaplaya Members Posts: 8,714 ✭✭
    edited Dec 6, 2018 #43
    jll62 wrote:

    bkloess wrote:


    With how quickly the large companies churn out new clubs, do you think that the average golfer is fed up with it? Does technology keep advancing that rapidly that club makers have to come out with a product that is that much better than the previous line? Tell me what you think.




    No. The average golfer is not nearly as hyper aware of product releases as the people on this site. The average golfers with whom I play only buy new drivers every 3-4 years. They buy irons even less frequently.



    These players don't give a second thought to all the new clubs that are introduced. Do you know why? Because normal people understand that companies in all industries release upgrades to products and they don't get all bent out of shape about it. It's literally a non-issue. The members of GolfWRX do not represent the golf equipment market as a whole. We're a blip.



    These players do not buy clubs and worry about resale value; they buy clubs to use them. They also do not salivate over the deals on prior year clubs. After a few years, once the "magic has worn off" their clubs, they go and buy whatever is currently the hottest thing on the market.


    Thanks for that insightful psycho analysis of normal golfers compared to wrx members. Do you charge by the hour?
  • ssfrannyssfranny Lefty Boomers Posts: 2,574 ✭✭
    bkloess wrote:
    With how quickly the large companies churn out new clubs, do you think that the average golfer is fed up with it? Does technology keep advancing that rapidly that club makers have to come out with a product that is that much better than the previous line? Tell me what you think.




    I’d love to who these people are that are buying clubs at retail every year can’t be a lot of golfers. Here was my local Golf Galaxy other night and during holidays.
  • dunndunn Members Posts: 6,361 ✭✭
    If people actually rationalized and thought about what's actually different and based decisions off that it wouldn't matter......



    But marketers know golfwrx are bunch of suckers and will buy anything if presented in certain way, yeah they ain't stupid......and golfers fall for it every year
  • WrigglesWriggles Members Posts: 3,172 ✭✭
    edited Dec 7, 2018 #46
    I've been playing golf for over 50 years. In the beginning to the early 1990's, golfers bought a set of clubs once in a lifetime, or until the clubs looked shabby to the point of embarrassment. Then, I guess Callaway started all the nonsense. Price a driver as much as a quality set used to cost. Expensive is better, right. Advertise and hype that all previous stuff is junk.



    Compound with many manufacturers and models, pro endorsements, and other BS.



    Back in the 1990's, I had a horrible slice, caused mostly by killing the ball. Shark Norman advertised Cobra offset drivers which he touted, "were virtually impossible to slice". Ordered a set of woods, at full retail, $1K, expecting 300 yards and no slice. "Greg, Cobra woods DO slice."



    Slowing the backswing, and avoid killing the ball cures the slice, not Shark's clubs.



    I haven't bought clubs in a year, and really have no desire to buy more. Last year, I bought a new set of Callaway irons, at a great price, along with a used Optiforce driver. Very good clubs, indeed, but score is about the same. (12 hdcp) Comes a time, probably when older, when one realizes just about any half way well made club will perform as good as another.



    Younger golfers try to buy a good golf game, and the manufacturers rely on that. Some older golfers want the latest and greatest for the bragging rights. I was no different.



    Now, I just don't care.
  • CDLgolfCDLgolf Members Posts: 829 ✭✭
    I play in a weekly league with 20 to 30 guys in it. Mostly retired guys. Other than one younger guy who like to try all the new clubs the rest of the group plays clubs 5+ years old. I see some sets that look 10+ years old.



    From what I see I don't think most golfers change clubs all that often or care or even know about the latest releases. Once in a while youll see a new club or hear a guy talking about his new set but it not that often.



    The guys on wrx who are equipment junkies, my self included, are a very small % of the golfing population.
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  • hybrid25hybrid25 michiganMembers Posts: 1,536 ✭✭
    The internet is the catalyst that fuels the rage of buying, selling, and advertising.
  • fairways4lifefairways4life Members Posts: 1,553 ✭✭
    edited Dec 7, 2018 #49
    bkloess wrote:


    With how quickly the large companies churn out new clubs, do you think that the average golfer is fed up with it? Does technology keep advancing that rapidly that club makers have to come out with a product that is that much better than the previous line? Tell me what you think.




    Fed up with it? No. Recognize that it's silly? Yes.



    I actually love the fact that so much new stuff comes out every year because it drives down the cost of used clubs. When I buy clubs, I buy stuff that's a couple years old that is just as good as the brand new stuff at half the price. If the market didn't get so flooded with new stuff every spring, the prices on the used market would have more stability. So I say bring it on. I'll let other people buy up the brand new stuff and I'll reap the benefits as a used clubs shopper.
  • lawsonmanlawsonman Members Posts: 5,166 ✭✭
    This thread makes me want to order a new set of irons!! image/smile.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':)' />
    Welcome to where dumb opinions are better than no opinion. :)

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  • uwhockey14uwhockey14 Posts: 257 ✭✭
    bkloess wrote:


    With how quickly the large companies churn out new clubs, do you think that the average golfer is fed up with it? Does technology keep advancing that rapidly that club makers have to come out with a product that is that much better than the previous line? Tell me what you think.




    if it hasn't killed the game by now, then it won't ever kill the game..... they come out with new baseball bats and hockey sticks every year and it hasn't killed those sports!
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  • GoGoErkyGoGoErky Members Posts: 1,067 ✭✭
    Just like cell phones and other consumer products releases aren’t a bad thing. It’s up to the consumer to decide if they want to buy or not
  • hd.softailhd.softail Members Posts: 465 ✭✭
    bkloess wrote:


    With how quickly the large companies churn out new clubs, do you think that the average golfer is fed up with it? Does technology keep advancing that rapidly that club makers have to come out with a product that is that much better than the previous line? Tell me what you think.




    Agreed, I wish companies would retain a club model until there is some true advancement that warrants a refresh. It would certainly make fitting, repairs, replacements, set matching, etc all easier. But two things are against us: technology and the world seem like they are moving at light speed right now so I'm nobody to say the new stuff isn't really better, and second, the companies need profit to survive.



    I don't recall the time frame but how long were the PING EYE2 irons the only iron PING offered? If you combine EYE2 and EYE2+ it has to be 8 ish years?



    Now that said, nobody is forcing us to make the change but good luck with that. If you are a true golf aficionado and WRXer, not getting the latest and greatest could be grounds for getting kicked off of this site.



    I myself am recovering...there was a period of 3-4 years when my addiction and OCD lead me to completely turning over my bag 1/2 dozen times. Thankfully I drove myself crazy enough I said enough and over the past 10 years the only two clubs that have been changed out are driver and putter. Wedges, irons and fairway woods are 10+ years old.



    I will say I'm finally looking to make a change but for playability reasons, my 10+ year old wedges have no grooves left, I need to go softer and lighter in my iron shafts and I can no longer get my 3 wood in the air off the deck.
  • reider69reider69 Members Posts: 606 ✭✭
    I play a very popular public course that everyone plays when they come to town due to it being inside a major landmark. I play with random people and out of towners regularly. Almost no one I play with has new equipment or discusses equipment at all. Equipment not even a thought to majority of golfers. Golfwrx is not the real world. We are aficionados and diehards.
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