Forgiving wedges- CBX, etc...

lefty74pghlefty74pgh Lefty Boomers Posts: 1,548 ✭✭
I’m looking for any feedback on wedges. I’ve read countless threads and tried multiple techniques, but my wedge game inside 50 yds is brutal. I know the obvious answer is lessons and practice, but that’s not realistic with two kids and a demanding job.



Will the Cleveland CBX’s or any other make a difference?
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  • MrFlapjackMrFlapjack Members Posts: 2,598 ✭✭
    I say it's a toss up between either the CBX, and Ping Glide 2.0 Stealth. The CBX would likely be more forgiving and the Ping a more players shape and size. The Ping was found the best of all the wedges according to another websites testing
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    Ping 2014 Rapture 3W - Blueboard 73x5ct
    Srixon Z U45 18, 20, 23 () (Testing Cobra F8 and Ping G 3 hybrids)
    Srixon Z545 5-AW (SF i110 stiff) (Testing Cleveland CBX 7-PW, and Nike Vapor Fly 4-6 irons)
    RTX 3.0 - 54 and 58 (SF i125 stiff) (Testing Cleveland CBX wedges 48, 52, 56 bent to 50, 54, 58)
    YES Milly - 100gm TLP. (Testing Ping Ketsch Mid)
  • ChipNRunChipNRun Members Posts: 1,313 ✭✭
    lefty74pgh wrote:


    ... I've read countless threads and tried multiple techniques, but my wedge game inside 50 yds is brutal. I know the obvious answer is lessons and practice, but that's not realistic with two kids and a demanding job. ...




    I appreciate your situation, but having a pro give you a short game tune-up would help you select the right wedges. The best wedge is one that delivers when you swing it properly.



    I have a short game lesson every couple of years, and it usually helps me fine-tune things close in.
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    FWs: Tour Edge XRail 4W + 7W / GraphiteDesign G60 R-flex 60 gr.
    or Calla Alpha 815, set 16° + 20° / Fuji Motore Speeder 665 R-flex 62 gr.
    Hybrid: Cobra FlyZ 3H 19° + 4H 22° / Matrix VLCT Altus Lite flex 73 gr.
    Irons: Tour Edge CB Pro Tungsten 4i - PW** / KBS Tour 90 R-flex 101 gr. (As of 21 Nov 2018)
    Wedge: Calla MD3 48°/8.SS + 54°/12.WS +
    MD.PM 60°/10  | KBS Tour R-flex 110 gr. |
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  • dparkdpark Members Posts: 2,532 ✭✭
    At a minimum you should be fit for wedges to figure out what type of sole design is best for you. Obviously lessons and practice would be better. Depending on if you are "digger" or "sweeper", the right sole design will help with your mishits.



    All golf OEMs have good wedges these days, you just need the one that fits you best. No one on this forum is going to be able to answer this for you without knowing your swing.
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    1984 Ben Hogan Apex PC 2-E
    1968 Wilson Dual Wedge
    1964 Acushnet O-SET M6S Bullseye Putter

    New stuff
    Cobra ZL 10.5 driver
    Adams 5050 16 fairway wood
    Adams A2P 20* hybrid
    Titleist 716 MB irons 4-PW
    Callaway Mack Daddy wedges 52, 56, 60
    Scotty Cameron Pro Platinum Napa
  • Golf64Golf64 Go Habs Go! Ontario, CanadaMembers Posts: 7,734 ✭✭
    Another vote for Ping Glide 2.0s. image/wink.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=';)' />
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    919F 4-pw, gw Nippon 105R
    S18 54, 60
    Spider X putter
    TP5(2018)


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  • RobS14526RobS14526 Members Posts: 1,143 ✭✭
    dpark wrote:


    At a minimum you should be fit for wedges to figure out what type of sole design is best for you. Obviously lessons and practice would be better. Depending on if you are "digger" or "sweeper", the right sole design will help with your mishits.



    All golf OEMs have good wedges these days, you just need the one that fits you best. No one on this forum is going to be able to answer this for you without knowing your swing.




    I agree with this. You are asking about inside 50 yards. There’s not going to be much help in a cavity. Find your best sole grind and a setup that lets you hit the center of the face the most frequently.



    OP, what are you playing now?
  • MahamiltoMahamilto NYCMembers Posts: 1,927 ✭✭
    In short: If you want forgiveness at the bottom of the bag, pick a set style wedge for the GW, as most amateurs use this club for full swings more than anything else. For the remaining wedges, you have to pick them based on turf interaction and your style of play/swing. The wedge that gives you the best turf interaction will give you the best accuracy and ease of use. I cannot begin to stress this enough. It took me awhile to understand it, but when I did, my wedge game became a weapon instead of a liability.



    Good luck!



    A little more detail: The site which cannot be named just did a test... results were surprising.



    I agree the CBX is easy as pie on full swings; my playing partner has two and you can miss the grooves all together and still get it there sometimes.



    I had Mizuno S18s for a bit. They seemed to help on full swing misses out of center. The site that cannot be named agreed that this wedge appears to offer a bit of help off center.



    I used to balk on vokeys, thinking they weren't going to offer help on my toe sided miss, but tbh the SM7 55 I have is really great on full swings, barring an absurd miss.



    What I learned the hard way is that the most forgiving wedge is the one that has a sole that fits you just right. For me, I stayed with a set style wedge (AP2 50) where I'm going to be taking mostly full shots. From there, the S-Grind has been amazing for blending full shots and some versatility for pitching and chipping, especially with square face. The old school 12 bounce SM2 has been perfect in the lob.



    The bounce and sole width is the biggest thing. I take decent divots with wedges and need it to cut the turf without digging. That means some bounce and a fairly thin sole that accelerates through.
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  • herdmanherdman Members Posts: 714 ✭✭
    edited Dec 9, 2018 #8
    I have a CBX for my 50 degree wedge and then a PM grind 56 and then a Ping Eye Gorge 60. I like that setup. I find them all to be pretty forgiving. But, I like the PM Grind at the 56 because it is very versatile. Mainly use the CBX for the 90 to 100 yard shot.
  • NorbooNorboo Members Posts: 2,218 ✭✭
    lefty74pgh wrote:


    I’m looking for any feedback on wedges. I’ve read countless threads and tried multiple techniques, but my wedge game inside 50 yds is brutal. I know the obvious answer is lessons and practice, but that’s not realistic with two kids and a demanding job.



    Will the Cleveland CBX’s or any other make a difference?




    I’ve been wedge freak ever since I started golfing (1989). Since, I’ve tried and owned just about every wedge. Best part of my game has/is the short game. I test alll the wedges that comes on the market. Last year, I tried CBX and bought one to tinker around with. Tried various different shaft and once I gotten used to it, I was blown away how forgiving they are. Now, I have a full set of them. Ay first, I hated the bounce options, but with little practice, I hit down on the ball little more taking good size divots. Ball spins more and it just goes where I aim. I never worry about digging, bounce works wonders and the grind is versatile. They are also great around the green side. Highly recommended. Ping Glide 2.0 is great wedge but not that forgiving compared to CBX.
    Driver: Ping G400 Max 10.5 Stock Alta (need shaft fitting)
    Fairway Wood: Ryoma F3 and F5
    Hybrid: Ping G400 3 & 5
    Irons: OnOff Kuro 2015 6 - PW
    Wedge: Cleveland CBX 50, 58
    Putter: Honma CB8055 since 1989
    Ball: TaylorMade TP5X

    Backup/Benched
    Driver: Ping G20
    Fairway Wood: Tour Edge EX10 Beta 4 wood GD Tour AD F
    Hybrid: Ping G400 4 hybrid
    Putter: S.C. Golo 3

    Club hoe, builder, fitter and tester as hobbyist since 1993
  • lefty74pghlefty74pgh Lefty Boomers Posts: 1,548 ✭✭
    RobS14526 wrote:

    dpark wrote:


    At a minimum you should be fit for wedges to figure out what type of sole design is best for you. Obviously lessons and practice would be better. Depending on if you are "digger" or "sweeper", the right sole design will help with your mishits.



    All golf OEMs have good wedges these days, you just need the one that fits you best. No one on this forum is going to be able to answer this for you without knowing your swing.




    I agree with this. You are asking about inside 50 yards. There’s not going to be much help in a cavity. Find your best sole grind and a setup that lets you hit the center of the face the most frequently.



    OP, what are you playing now?




    I appreciate the response. I’ve tried everything and currently have MD3 56 W and a T7 56.14. I guess it’s all mental with me. I take excellent practice swings then have a mental breakdown on my actual shot. I have a tendency to dig or stab at the ball.



    It’s frustrating because I play around a 6 handicap and just struggle with these shots. I was trying to see if the CBX or Glide 2.0 would make a difference.
  • citizenforecitizenfore Members Posts: 323 ✭✭
    edited Dec 9, 2018 #11
    Old Ping Eye 2’s can be quite versatile and found on eBay for pretty cheap. Loft options are limited but I’ve had good luck with the W and S covering my short game needs (50.5* and 57.5*)- this coming from a dude with three little kids and full time and part time job.
    Modern bag:
    Nike vr str8 fit tour set at 11
    Ping rapture v2 4 wood
    Nike vr_s 3 and 4 hybrids
    Maltby mmb 5-pw
    Carnahan 52/56/60 wedge
    Rotating door of putters

    Sunday/quick nine walker:
    Callaway warbird deuce 2 wd
    Callaway warbird 4 wd
    Hogan apex pro 4-E
    Ping eye 2 W and S
    Ping cushin putter

    Classic bag:
    Palmer Chattanooga driver
    Hogan Slotline 4 wd
    Palmer Standard 85 3-pw
    Same ping eye 2 sw
    Wilson professional 600 putter
  • Lancj1Lancj1 Members Posts: 898 ✭✭
    I think Cleveland are making mugs of anyone who plays GI irons- just buy the set wedges too.
    G Max Driver, Tour 65 Stiff
    G400 3 & 5 Woods Alta CB Reg
    G400 2,3,4,5 Hybrids Alta CB Reg
    G410 Irons, 6-U, Green Dot, Alta CB Reg + 1/2"
    Glide Stealth 54 (SS) & 58 (WS) Green Dot, Alta CB Reg + 1/2"
    Ping Sigma 2 Valor, Stealth

    Disclaimer*

    I'm a handicap golfer in my 50's. Any opinions I have about golf equipment or professional golfers or the game in general should be taken as seriously as you would the opinions of a random guy in the fourball ahead of you who just shot 92 but is usually better than that.
  • GSDriverGSDriver Members Posts: 607 ✭✭
    OP talking about 50 yards and in, so don't think (just being honest) a club is going to make that much difference. The term wedges, as in plural, makes me think, get one 58 or 60 that you like how it looks and feels - likely some type of blade - then just play it and you'll learn to use it well. If talking full swing from 50 yards where forgiveness might make a statistical difference, looking at a 64* ? I think maybe a sweet feeling forged blade might help you concentrate better, kind of like a new putter.



    Expectations of a good wedge game, implies intrinsic feel or practice.
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    Rogue 4 Wood Evenflow 75 Blue
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    MD Slate Forged 52
    PM Grind 56/60
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  • NorbooNorboo Members Posts: 2,218 ✭✭
    GSDriver wrote:


    OP talking about 50 yards and in, so don't think (just being honest) a club is going to make that much difference. The term wedges, as in plural, makes me think, get one 58 or 60 that you like how it looks and feels - likely some type of blade - then just play it and you'll learn to use it well. If talking full swing from 50 yards where forgiveness might make a statistical difference, looking at a 64* ? I think maybe a sweet feeling forged blade might help you concentrate better, kind of like a new putter.



    Expectations of a good wedge game, implies intrinsic feel or practice.




    Even on chip, pitches around the green, 50 yards and in, we do hit off center.
    Driver: Ping G400 Max 10.5 Stock Alta (need shaft fitting)
    Fairway Wood: Ryoma F3 and F5
    Hybrid: Ping G400 3 & 5
    Irons: OnOff Kuro 2015 6 - PW
    Wedge: Cleveland CBX 50, 58
    Putter: Honma CB8055 since 1989
    Ball: TaylorMade TP5X

    Backup/Benched
    Driver: Ping G20
    Fairway Wood: Tour Edge EX10 Beta 4 wood GD Tour AD F
    Hybrid: Ping G400 4 hybrid
    Putter: S.C. Golo 3

    Club hoe, builder, fitter and tester as hobbyist since 1993
  • balls_deepballs_deep Members Posts: 701 ✭✭
    Glide 2.0 is forgiving and feels awesome
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    Pro V1x

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  • RobS14526RobS14526 Members Posts: 1,143 ✭✭
    lefty74pgh wrote:

    RobS14526 wrote:

    dpark wrote:


    At a minimum you should be fit for wedges to figure out what type of sole design is best for you. Obviously lessons and practice would be better. Depending on if you are "digger" or "sweeper", the right sole design will help with your mishits.



    All golf OEMs have good wedges these days, you just need the one that fits you best. No one on this forum is going to be able to answer this for you without knowing your swing.




    I agree with this. You are asking about inside 50 yards. There’s not going to be much help in a cavity. Find your best sole grind and a setup that lets you hit the center of the face the most frequently.



    OP, what are you playing now?




    I appreciate the response. I’ve tried everything and currently have MD3 56 W and a T7 56.14. I guess it’s all mental with me. I take excellent practice swings then have a mental breakdown on my actual shot. I have a tendency to dig or stab at the ball.



    It’s frustrating because I play around a 6 handicap and just struggle with these shots. I was trying to see if the CBX or Glide 2.0 would make a difference.




    Years ago I played with a neurosurgeon who had a horrible case of short game yips. He managed it by practicing and even playing pitches and chips one handed. I’m sure you’ll get it sorted out!
  • JAMH03JAMH03 Members Posts: 550 ✭✭
    lefty74pgh wrote:


    I know the obvious answer is lessons and practice, but that's not realistic with two kids and a demanding job.



    Will the Cleveland CBX's or any other make a difference?




    Harvey Pinnick said the difference between a scratch golfer and a 6 handicap is...

    Comparisons are odious.



  • lefty74pghlefty74pgh Lefty Boomers Posts: 1,548 ✭✭
    I picked up a CBX 54* today...I’ll report the results.
  • bigcountry1219bigcountry1219 Members Posts: 97 ✭✭
    lefty74pgh wrote:


    I'm looking for any feedback on wedges. I've read countless threads and tried multiple techniques, but my wedge game inside 50 yds is brutal. I know the obvious answer is lessons and practice, but that's not realistic with two kids and a demanding job.



    Will the Cleveland CBX's or any other make a difference?




    The first question is "Describe how your wedge game inside 50 yards is brutal?"
  • puttitinputtitin Cote d'Azur , FRANCEMembers Posts: 1,383 ✭✭
    Which of three CBX, MD4,Glide 2.0 has the straightest leading edge?
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    Woods :  TM M2 3W + 5W
    Hybrids : TM M2 RESCUE 22° + 25°
    Irons : JPX-800-HD  + TM R7 XD + PING RAPTURE V2 (Wishon 771 CSI for sale)
    Wedges : MIZUNO JPX 825 50-10 CLEVELAND CBX 56-12
    Putter : ODYSSEY WHITE HOT  RX  #2
  • KaBoom21KaBoom21 Members Posts: 1,578 ✭✭
    lefty74pgh wrote:


    I picked up a CBX 54* today...I’ll report the results.


    People say this but never do.
  • Lancj1Lancj1 Members Posts: 898 ✭✭
    I say again if you are buying GI irons, get them down to lob wedge. My ping G400 are far better than the Cleveland’s - I’m sure When I had Callaway XR those were great too. If you aren’t good enough to play specialist wedges, imho stick with the set till you are.
    G Max Driver, Tour 65 Stiff
    G400 3 & 5 Woods Alta CB Reg
    G400 2,3,4,5 Hybrids Alta CB Reg
    G410 Irons, 6-U, Green Dot, Alta CB Reg + 1/2"
    Glide Stealth 54 (SS) & 58 (WS) Green Dot, Alta CB Reg + 1/2"
    Ping Sigma 2 Valor, Stealth

    Disclaimer*

    I'm a handicap golfer in my 50's. Any opinions I have about golf equipment or professional golfers or the game in general should be taken as seriously as you would the opinions of a random guy in the fourball ahead of you who just shot 92 but is usually better than that.
  • vibgyor1111vibgyor1111 Members Posts: 55 ✭✭
    JAMH03 wrote:
    lefty74pgh wrote:


    I know the obvious answer is lessons and practice, but that's not realistic with two kids and a demanding job.



    Will the Cleveland CBX's or any other make a difference?




    Harvey Pinnick said the difference between a scratch golfer and a 6 handicap is...
    I've looked for the end of this quote and can't find it. If you could finish it, that'd be great.
  • ChrisGio315ChrisGio315 Members Posts: 436 ✭✭
    I play my 718 AP1s down to the W2 (53 degrees). Has helped my scores immensely!
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    Titleist TS2 3w (15*)
    Titleist TS2 5w (18*)
    Titleist 718 AP1
    Titelist SM7 56*
    Custom Newport Select 2.5
    Titleist AVX

    WITB - http://www.golfwrx.c...tb-chrisgio315/
  • DeacLaw05DeacLaw05 Members Posts: 366 ✭✭
    I started with a 50* CBX as a gap wedge around this time last year. I liked it so much that I found excuses to use it even when another wedge would have been called for. By early spring I added a 56* and a 60* to the bag. I haven’t had any difficulty opening the face when necessary, and haven’t had any issues with the higher bounce on tighter lies, either. They are easy to hit little draws or fades with as well as the situation may require. Give them a shot.
  • msconstantinejrmsconstantinejr M Constantine WIMembers Posts: 853 ✭✭
    DeacLaw05 wrote:


    I started with a 50* CBX as a gap wedge around this time last year. I liked it so much that I found excuses to use it even when another wedge would have been called for. By early spring I added a 56* and a 60* to the bag. I haven’t had any difficulty opening the face when necessary, and haven’t had any issues with the higher bounce on tighter lies, either. They are easy to hit little draws or fades with as well as the situation may require. Give them a shot.




    I’m a teerrible wedge player from 115 yards in. I mean awful. I’m long and straight off the tee and a really solid iron striker that plays cobra amp cell pro irons and a pretty good putter. But I can’t hit a shot within 115 yards to save my life. Got myself the CBX 50/54/58 set up. Broke 80 all three rounds to end the season. Drained 3 short pitches from 60 plus yards with my 54. I have not drained a shot that far out in some 10 years. My full approaches with the 50 were all on the green. I’m super impressed.

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    Scotty Cameron Studio Select Newport 2

  • buckeyewaltbuckeyewalt Members Posts: 119 ✭✭
    My strongest play is my wedges mainly because I'm so poor with accuracy with my irons. I carry 5 wedges and one of them is a CBS 58*. I use that wedge within 20-30 yards of the green. It's forgiving, plus you can lay it open for flop shots, depending on the lie.
  • The GeneralThe General Members Posts: 1,734 ✭✭
    a Vokey is very forgiving.
  • wcbjrwcbjr Members Posts: 2,802 ✭✭
    JAMH03 wrote:


    Harvey Pinnick said the difference between a scratch golfer and a 6 handicap is...




    6 strokes.
  • MoxleyMoxley Members Posts: 43 ✭✭
    Lancj1 wrote:


    I say again if you are buying GI irons, get them down to lob wedge. My ping G400 are far better than the Cleveland’s - I’m sure When I had Callaway XR those were great too. If you aren’t good enough to play specialist wedges, imho stick with the set till you are.




    I'm not sure about this - some players are better at certain parts of the game than others. Might not be the case for the OP, but for some, mastering wedge play (and partial swings) is a lot easier than long or mid irons. I play GI irons, but have specialist SW/LW - I would agree with set PW/GW though for most mid/high cappers though.
  • gticlaygticlay gticlay Members Posts: 986 ✭✭
    lefty74pgh wrote:


    I'm looking for any feedback on wedges. I've read countless threads and tried multiple techniques, but my wedge game inside 50 yds is brutal. I know the obvious answer is lessons and practice, but that's not realistic with two kids and a demanding job.



    Will the Cleveland CBX's or any other make a difference?



    lefty74pgh wrote:


    I'm looking for any feedback on wedges. I've read countless threads and tried multiple techniques, but my wedge game inside 50 yds is brutal. I know the obvious answer is lessons and practice, but that's not realistic with two kids and a demanding job.



    Will the Cleveland CBX's or any other make a difference?




    Lefty - the absolute best thing you can do is to get a wedge with high bounce (think about 14* of bounce on a 56*) and play just one wedge for all your shots 50 yards and in. When I was developing my game, I started out hitting everything with a PW until I knew I needed another club. So when that happened, I added a 56* and played everything with that (more like 100 in for me). Then at some point I decided I needed a 60*. Well I wasn't ready for that right then, but the Eye 2+ 58* really worked for me, along with the 53* SW. So now-a-days I still play PW, 54/60 (or 58). But I can't say enough about playing high bounce when you are still working on your ballstriking and touch. I know that sounds a little boring - hitting a 56* for absolutely everything but it'll force you to learn many different shots with just the one club and you'll really come to trust and love that wedge over time. Add a gap and/or a lob when you know when you are ready for it in a year or two.
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