Greg Norman talks about One Length Irons, Bryson on to something

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  • QuigleyDUQuigleyDU Members Posts: 6,553 ✭✭
    i still do not see SL becoming a golf revolution. it will stay out on the fringes. we have a set of the initial SL tour irons that have been 50% discounted that are collecting dust in our bargain bin since nobody wants them. People look at them then walk away.
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  • Mr. GrumpyMr. Grumpy The Quintana Changeup, sit em dwn Members Posts: 2,294 ✭✭
    QuigleyDU wrote:


    i still do not see SL becoming a golf revolution. it will stay out on the fringes. we have a set of the initial SL tour irons that have been 50% discounted that are collecting dust in our bargain bin since nobody wants them. People look at them then walk away.




    Forged OL's? What, they demo's or are the shafts senior flex? At 50% it's a great buy.. Send info
  • GSDriverGSDriver Members Posts: 597 ✭✭
    The few I know who tried SL, traded them in shortly thereafter. I'm thinking would need to devote some serious range time to get adapted to.
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  • Darth PutterDarth Putter Members Posts: 4,756 ✭✭
    iBanesto wrote:


    So much hate for Norman image/laugh.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':lol:' />



    People must be Chris Evert fans.




    guilty as charged image/biggrin.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':D' />
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  • GoGoErkyGoGoErky Members Posts: 1,139 ✭✭
    QuigleyDU wrote:


    i still do not see SL becoming a golf revolution. it will stay out on the fringes. we have a set of the initial SL tour irons that have been 50% discounted that are collecting dust in our bargain bin since nobody wants them. People look at them then walk away.




    The one set my fitter sold last year was at a similar discount and was the omg customer that asked about SL since release
  • cardoustiecardoustie haha, we don't play for 5's Members Posts: 11,845 ✭✭
    Well I am not a SL length guy but close I guess.



    As a "taller" guy I have my short irons longer and 1/4" apart starting at 9i... and 6-8 are only 3/8" apart. Thanks to Tom Wishon !!!!!!!!!!!
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  • Ri_RedneckRi_Redneck Leather for Life!! Members Posts: 5,448 ✭✭
    SwooshLT wrote:

    Honman wrote:

    Man_O_War wrote:



    Norman won 86 times internationally, including 20 Tour events, along with the 1986 British Open



    The 1993 win never counted?




    so really he has 20 wins..just like Tiger only has 80 wins...only PGA tour wins count




    So what about those pesky Europeans winning the Ryder Cup so many times over the years?



    This is such a short sighted comment. Is the PGA Tour the best, yes it is, but the standard of golf in Europe and around the world is much higher than people give it credit for.






    Winning the RC ? Means what exactly?




    It means you have bragging rights for the next 2 years.



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  • Ri_RedneckRi_Redneck Leather for Life!! Members Posts: 5,448 ✭✭
    BMC wrote:


    A better Cobra player....




    Should of had a closeup of the uni-brow chic too though.



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  • QuigleyDUQuigleyDU Members Posts: 6,553 ✭✭
    Mr. Grumpy wrote:

    QuigleyDU wrote:


    i still do not see SL becoming a golf revolution. it will stay out on the fringes. we have a set of the initial SL tour irons that have been 50% discounted that are collecting dust in our bargain bin since nobody wants them. People look at them then walk away.




    Forged OL's? What, they demo's or are the shafts senior flex? At 50% it's a great buy.. Send info




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  • Mr. GrumpyMr. Grumpy The Quintana Changeup, sit em dwn Members Posts: 2,294 ✭✭
    GSDriver wrote:


    The few I know who tried SL, traded them in shortly thereafter. I'm thinking would need to devote some serious range time to get adapted to.




    They do take time and just as much dedication as any new set, I mean you gotta put the work in with VL or SL. For me it was a double whammy, SL and 15 gram or so lighter shafts. After a year my scores have dropped a little, but 4 through wedges are much more consistent and I feel more confident.... Many of my average killing rounds are due to being out of position via hybrid through Driver, I am struggling in this area..
  • Mr. GrumpyMr. Grumpy The Quintana Changeup, sit em dwn Members Posts: 2,294 ✭✭
    QuigleyDU wrote:

    Mr. Grumpy wrote:

    QuigleyDU wrote:


    i still do not see SL becoming a golf revolution. it will stay out on the fringes. we have a set of the initial SL tour irons that have been 50% discounted that are collecting dust in our bargain bin since nobody wants them. People look at them then walk away.




    Forged OL's? What, they demo's or are the shafts senior flex? At 50% it's a great buy.. Send info




    s flex, full set of shelf demos, most the heads still have the plastic.




    Wow,, surprised they won't sell,, but I know we SL converts are few. I'd pick them up but I plan to sell,, er. trade in my F7's for the new F9's
  • SirFuegoSirFuego Members Posts: 166 ✭✭
    edited Dec 11, 2018 #43
    Let's face it. If Tiger Woods announced tomorrow that he was going to start playing SL irons, retailers probably couldn't keep SL irons in stock. If Titleist, TM, or Callaway started making them, they would probably gain in popularity as well. Although I don't see any of those three companies building SL irons unless they sign a PGA Tour pro that insists on playing them.



    Regardless of what you think of him, Bryson (as of today at least) does not have the personality to sway the egos of the typical amateur golfer to try something "different" that might actually help their game. There are a ton of golfers out there that readily accept that they aren't good enough to play the same irons as the pros, so they rely on technology (SGI or GI) irons to improve their game. Yet those same golfers cannot wrap their head around the fact that technology can enable a 7I length 4I to go just as far as a regular length 4I and a 7I length PW can have similar flight to a regular length PW -- likely because "none of the pros" play single length irons (or at least their favorite pros don't). The logic against SL just doesn't make sense.



    Now SL irons aren't for everyone, if you tried them, and found "traditional" irons to work better, then go for it. But the fact that people immediately dismiss them, despite wanting to get the "best irons for them", is truly baffling.
  • gvogelgvogel Members Posts: 7,324 ✭✭
    BrianMcG wrote:

    ronbo wrote:


    Watched Norman on TV yesterday talk about one length irons and makes sense, Bryson backing up what he's been saying all along. Never knew Bobby Jones played a set make up all the same length?



    https://golfweek.com...-it-over-again/




    That was pretty common with hickory shafts. They had to be fit using your wrist to floor measurement. Once steel shafts became the norm, equipment companies wanted an easier way to sell clubs, so they came up with the gradual length system that magically fit everyone. LOL.




    It was not common with hickory. Also, stating that Bobby Jones' irons were one length is malarkey. His 2 and 3-iron might have been the same length, and his 4 and 5-iron might have been the same, and his 6 and 7-iron, but the pairs got shorter as the lofts increased. And that is just one set that happens to be in a display at Augusta National.



    Most all sets of hickories were put together, club by club. Numbered sets didn't appear until the late 1920's. And the lest lofted clubs (jiggers, mashie irons) were longer shafted than the more lofted spade mashies, mashie niblicks and niblicks.



    There is a reason that length of iron increases as the lofts decrease - most every golfer needs more club head speed to get the elevation required for a lower lofted club. Now, modern sole weighted clubs might work for some golfers in single length - with more sole weighting on the lower lofted irons - but iron sets have developed over time according to the tried and true experience of what works.
    On Sundays, I used to play hickory
  • Santiago GolfSantiago Golf I Strive to make you Better Members Posts: 4,997 ✭✭
    gvogel wrote:

    BrianMcG wrote:

    ronbo wrote:


    Watched Norman on TV yesterday talk about one length irons and makes sense, Bryson backing up what he's been saying all along. Never knew Bobby Jones played a set make up all the same length?



    [url="https://golfweek.com/2018/12/08/greg-norman-would-use-single-length-irons-if-he-could-do-it-over-again/"]https://golfweek.com...-it-over-again/[/url]




    That was pretty common with hickory shafts. They had to be fit using your wrist to floor measurement. Once steel shafts became the norm, equipment companies wanted an easier way to sell clubs, so they came up with the gradual length system that magically fit everyone. LOL.




    It was not common with hickory. Also, stating that Bobby Jones' irons were one length is malarkey. His 2 and 3-iron might have been the same length, and his 4 and 5-iron might have been the same, and his 6 and 7-iron, but the pairs got shorter as the lofts increased. And that is just one set that happens to be in a display at Augusta National.



    Most all sets of hickories were put together, club by club. Numbered sets didn't appear until the late 1920's. And the lest lofted clubs (jiggers, mashie irons) were longer shafted than the more lofted spade mashies, mashie niblicks and niblicks.



    There is a reason that length of iron increases as the lofts decrease - most every golfer needs more club head speed to get the elevation required for a lower lofted club. Now, modern sole weighted clubs might work for some golfers in single length - with more sole weighting on the lower lofted irons - but iron sets have developed over time according to the tried and true experience of what works.




    Jones set was this.



    2,3 same

    4,5 same

    6,7 same

    8,9 same

    Pw,sw same



    Though they 1/4 increments. So they nearly all the same length. Roughly 1 inch in difference in length between longest and shortest iron. Versus the normal 4.5 inches
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  • GolfjackGolfjack All about the rotation Members Posts: 996 ✭✭
    It just seems to be that they are making things harder by making the short irons longer. Short irons are great, easier to hit due to their shorter length. People should have the length of their clubs limited to the longest clubs they can hit comfortably. Progression up to say a 7 iron and then everything above (6-3 iron) is 7 iron length.
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  • Holy MosesHoly Moses Members Posts: 10,462 ✭✭


    They just replayed it a few minutes ago.



    When asked about how he felt about one length irons he giggled and said “well, I developed them”. Then he mentioned seeing Bobby Jones irons at Augusta and noticing they were all similar length and he intimated that seeing them gave him the inspiration to “develop“ one length irons. Barf...



    He undeniably is a “trailblazer” of sorts for actually being the first to use them successfully on tour. He’s certainly earning his Cobra money.



    If I was still teaching professionally I would not be dissuading brand new golfers from trying them. It’s a nice idea for those with no preconceived ideas about clubs who haven’t already gotten used to traditional irons. I do think it’s extremely ackward for long time golfers to try and change to them.



    They can’t work for me. I’ve tried them. I will always try to overswing a super “short” 4 iron and I will always find a super long gap wedge bizarre because I’ve hit millions of golf balls with traditional irons for 35 years.



    The one MASSIVE problem with getting new golfers started on single length irons is that if they don’t become more popular and other companies don’t start making them, a consumer will never have any CHOICE in irons except to buy new Cobras every few years.....and that’s Only if Cobra continues making them for many years. What if they stop in 4 or 5 years? Then what? All OL golfers need to convert if they want to buy new clubs? Yikes.



    I actually hope they become popular enough that more choices emerge, but only time will tell.




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  • bobcatbobcat Members Posts: 3,920 ✭✭
    edited Dec 15, 2018 #48
    People seem to forget that Bryson's Metal Woods DO vary in length, and yet he somehow manages to hit those clubs OK, despite their different lengths.



    Frankly, I think Bryson 'COULD' play just about as well with a conventional set of clubs if his 'obsession with physics' didn't get in the way of doing that. He has 'the talent', but he also has 'that obsession'.



    If you 'believe in something strongly enough', you'll find a way to make it work for you, and that's the case with Bryson! He believes in limiting the number of 'swing planes' by using a single-length iron set, but I think many of his fellow Pros think he is 'overstating the difficulty of varying swing planes'.



    There are so many excellent ball strikers on the PGA Tour and I seriously doubt very many of them even bother to give 'multiple swing planes' a second thought... image/aikido.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':aikido:' />



    AND BY THE WAY, ISN'T GREG NORMAN STILL A SPOKESMAN FOR COBRA GOLF, THE LARGEST PRODUCER OF SINGLE LENGTH IRONS?... image/swoon.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':swoon:' />





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  • norge5norge5 Members Posts: 1,492 ✭✭
    Never gave it much thought until I read this thread but it does kind of make sense. In Jack Nicklaus' book, he advocates the same swing and ball position with all his clubs with the only thing changing is the width of his stance. I guess if he had tried the single length clubs, that would fit his philosophy pretty well.
  • sthompson42sthompson42 Texas42 Members Posts: 69 ✭✭
    Interesting thread. Debate about Norman and SL irons all mixed in. I have been trying SL irons and seem to like them. They haven’t helped my handicap but I feel more confident and consistent. Time will tell.



    I wonder if when metal drivers came out if the same debates emerged. Or utility and hybrids? They were seen as a fad that would not take hold and an insult to golf pursuits. GPS and lasers? I have heard complaints they take away from the feel of the game. Carts too.



    Now, SL irons might well end up being a very niche market. But I’m always surprised at the hate for them. People seem personally offended.
  • AtraynAtrayn ClubWRX Posts: 2,053 ✭✭
    I have my short irons longer and 1/4" apart starting at 9i... and 6-8 are only 3/8" apart. Thanks to Tom Wishon !!!!!!!!!!!



    Based on Tom's thread regarding gapping I actually built my latest iron set exactly this way. I also shortened my driver as well as my woods and center contact consistency across the board has improved. I am going to get a Cobra SL set this year and mess around with it. It's definitely my engineering and quality background that convinced me that it makes sense. Especially after I did my research on the history of the graduated set.



    I am actually quite surprised that Homer Kelley didn't consider this variable when he wroteThe Golfing Machine...
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  • CasualLieCasualLie Do Woodchucks Chuck Wood? Members Posts: 1,403 ✭✭
    I was under the impression BDC went to SL irons to better match his swing he was trying to achieve. I get it the closer gapping in irons should result in more consistent center contact, but I'm wondering if you need to approach the swing similar to BDC's move to get full benefit of SL irons.



    Obviously it works for him and with his strength he can probably make a more traditional swing work. Still, I wonder just how much these two concepts go together vs. not.



    I've been tempted to try SL irons but Cobra is designing some of the ugliest irons I've ever seen. The forged blacks look acceptable, but the rest of the F8 series is blechhhh!!!
  • RohlioRohlio Members Posts: 2,324 ✭✭
    CasualLie wrote:


    I was under the impression BDC went to SL irons to better match his swing he was trying to achieve. I get it the closer gapping in irons should result in more consistent center contact, but I'm wondering if you need to approach the swing similar to BDC's move to get full benefit of SL irons.



    Obviously it works for him and with his strength he can probably make a more traditional swing work. Still, I wonder just how much these two concepts go together vs. not.



    I've been tempted to try SL irons but Cobra is designing some of the ugliest irons I've ever seen. The forged blacks look acceptable, but the rest of the F8 series is blechhhh!!!




    I have improved my iron game significantly by moving to SL irons.... No need to change any swing mechanics... Just swing them all like a 7 iron.
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  • iBanestoiBanesto Niclas Fasth Members Posts: 4,450 ✭✭

    iBanesto wrote:


    So much hate for Norman image/laugh.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':lol:' />



    People must be Chris Evert fans.




    guilty as charged image/biggrin.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':D' />




    How can you not? Pretty and successful. Rare combination.



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  • Terry GoldTerry Gold Members Posts: 476 ✭✭
    iBanesto wrote:


    iBanesto wrote:


    So much hate for Norman image/laugh.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':lol:' />



    People must be Chris Evert fans.




    guilty as charged image/biggrin.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':D' />




    How can you not? Pretty and successful. Rare combination.



    tspa_0046109f.jpg




    Just a suggestion...edit out that last sentence. The one that starts with 'Rare combination'.
  • dlygrissedlygrisse Members Posts: 13,114 ✭✭

    gvogel wrote:

    BrianMcG wrote:

    ronbo wrote:


    Watched Norman on TV yesterday talk about one length irons and makes sense, Bryson backing up what he's been saying all along. Never knew Bobby Jones played a set make up all the same length?



    [url="https://golfweek.com/2018/12/08/greg-norman-would-use-single-length-irons-if-he-could-do-it-over-again/"]https://golfweek.com...-it-over-again/[/url]




    That was pretty common with hickory shafts. They had to be fit using your wrist to floor measurement. Once steel shafts became the norm, equipment companies wanted an easier way to sell clubs, so they came up with the gradual length system that magically fit everyone. LOL.




    It was not common with hickory. Also, stating that Bobby Jones' irons were one length is malarkey. His 2 and 3-iron might have been the same length, and his 4 and 5-iron might have been the same, and his 6 and 7-iron, but the pairs got shorter as the lofts increased. And that is just one set that happens to be in a display at Augusta National.



    Most all sets of hickories were put together, club by club. Numbered sets didn't appear until the late 1920's. And the lest lofted clubs (jiggers, mashie irons) were longer shafted than the more lofted spade mashies, mashie niblicks and niblicks.



    There is a reason that length of iron increases as the lofts decrease - most every golfer needs more club head speed to get the elevation required for a lower lofted club. Now, modern sole weighted clubs might work for some golfers in single length - with more sole weighting on the lower lofted irons - but iron sets have developed over time according to the tried and true experience of what works.




    Jones set was this.



    2,3 same

    4,5 same

    6,7 same

    8,9 same

    Pw,sw same



    Though they 1/4 increments. So they nearly all the same length. Roughly 1 inch in difference in length between longest and shortest iron. Versus the normal 4.5 inches




    Of course these were hickories probablyaquired one at a time...but Jones was an engineer.



    There is a thread started by FairwayFred, former owner of Scratch golf, where he discusses how he had Don White custom grind a set for him in this manner.



    If you are going to do this you need the headweights right plus the gapping tweaked.



    To me it sounds like a much better idea than single length.

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  • RohlioRohlio Members Posts: 2,324 ✭✭
    dlygrisse wrote:


    gvogel wrote:

    BrianMcG wrote:

    ronbo wrote:


    Watched Norman on TV yesterday talk about one length irons and makes sense, Bryson backing up what he's been saying all along. Never knew Bobby Jones played a set make up all the same length?



    [url="https://golfweek.com/2018/12/08/greg-norman-would-use-single-length-irons-if-he-could-do-it-over-again/"]https://golfweek.com...-it-over-again/[/url]




    That was pretty common with hickory shafts. They had to be fit using your wrist to floor measurement. Once steel shafts became the norm, equipment companies wanted an easier way to sell clubs, so they came up with the gradual length system that magically fit everyone. LOL.




    It was not common with hickory. Also, stating that Bobby Jones' irons were one length is malarkey. His 2 and 3-iron might have been the same length, and his 4 and 5-iron might have been the same, and his 6 and 7-iron, but the pairs got shorter as the lofts increased. And that is just one set that happens to be in a display at Augusta National.



    Most all sets of hickories were put together, club by club. Numbered sets didn't appear until the late 1920's. And the lest lofted clubs (jiggers, mashie irons) were longer shafted than the more lofted spade mashies, mashie niblicks and niblicks.



    There is a reason that length of iron increases as the lofts decrease - most every golfer needs more club head speed to get the elevation required for a lower lofted club. Now, modern sole weighted clubs might work for some golfers in single length - with more sole weighting on the lower lofted irons - but iron sets have developed over time according to the tried and true experience of what works.




    Jones set was this.



    2,3 same

    4,5 same

    6,7 same

    8,9 same

    Pw,sw same



    Though they 1/4 increments. So they nearly all the same length. Roughly 1 inch in difference in length between longest and shortest iron. Versus the normal 4.5 inches




    Of course these were hickories probablyaquired one at a time...but Jones was an engineer.



    There is a thread started by FairwayFred, former owner of Scratch golf, where he discusses how he had Don White custom grind a set for him in this manner.



    If you are going to do this you need the headweights right plus the gapping tweaked.



    To me it sounds like a much better idea than single length.




    Bobby Jones was a lawyer and a golf course architect later. I never remember hearing he was an engineer. Do you have a reference for that statement?
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  • JagpilotohioJagpilotohio 45+ inch drivers are evil. Columbus, OHMembers Posts: 7,223 ✭✭
    edited Dec 30, 2018 #58
    He graduated from Georgia Tech with a degree in mechanical engineering. Went to law school afterward.



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  • RohlioRohlio Members Posts: 2,324 ✭✭


    He graduated from Georgia Tech with a degree in mechanical engineering. Went to law school afterward.



    ....Wikipedia is your friend.




    Thank you.
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  • dlygrissedlygrisse Members Posts: 13,114 ✭✭
    Rohlio wrote:



    He graduated from Georgia Tech with a degree in mechanical engineering. Went to law school afterward.



    ....Wikipedia is your friend.




    Thank you.




    Right. He may never have actually been an engineer but he did have the degree. Reading one of his books he describes designing a driver while at Harvard, had it made for him, but it didn’t work so well.



    After he “retired” he helped Spalding design the first matched set of irons. Which bore his name.

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  • extrastiffextrastiff Members Posts: 863 ✭✭
    edited Dec 31, 2018 #61
    cool video, sure its been circulated before.



    https://www.youtube....h?v=UeDqZWO3kCg



    do wish he mentioned that single length used to be the norm. . . dunno I guess he is just trying to sell up the "innovation" of edel/cobra/himself, but I feel it sell more if that was generally understood by people that don't look into the origin of sport stuff much. I definitely enjoyed learning that.



    His lie angle is 10-14 degrees upright smh. . . .ive been thinking about bending lie quite a bit, but thats nuts. can't even bend the OL utilities



    Bryson mentions that they are working on ways to get woods to single length.
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