Please recommend an old school driver that can still keep up today!

theothertwotheothertwo Members Posts: 2,500 ✭✭
My thoughts from experience:



Titelist 983K



Bridgestone J33



Titleist 909D3



Taylor Made 510 TP
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Honma TW 727 18* 5 Wood
Honma TW 727 22* Hybrid
Miura CB 57 Irons  4-PW 
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  • BrianMcGBrianMcG Members Posts: 2,346 ✭✭
    Add the Titleist 905r
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  • craz-ecraz-e Members Posts: 4,148 ✭✭
    Another Titleist, 910 range, D2 or D3
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  • 2_PuttBirdies2_PuttBirdies Members Posts: 63 ✭✭
    Just went back to my old TM Superfast 2.0TP
  • RodCRodC Members Posts: 358 ✭✭
    The question is WHY?
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  • NokeNoke Members Posts: 2,147 ✭✭
  • theothertwotheothertwo Members Posts: 2,500 ✭✭
    edited Dec 13, 2018 #8
    RodC wrote:


    The question is WHY?




    Putting together a semi semi vintage bag, need a driver to go along with Tommy Armour Silver Scot 845 Irons, crazy yes. I don't even remember what drivers I was using when I was playing these irons in the early 90s. Possibly a Powerbilt Persimmon Citation, Original Big Bertha, Taylor Made Burner, Great Big Bertha which are all obsolete now.



    May look into the 910D3, I remember liking that driver.
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  • radimanradiman Members Posts: 4,718 ✭✭
    How old school are we talking. If you're thinking from the 983K's timeframe, it'll be hard to top that. If you're looking for something from around your irons day, maybe the 975D or Great Big Bertha. Don't know if they'd keep up with as well though.
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  • BrianMcGBrianMcG Members Posts: 2,346 ✭✭
    The 975D would go with those irons well.
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  • theothertwotheothertwo Members Posts: 2,500 ✭✭
    radiman wrote:


    How old school are we talking. If you're thinking from the 983K's timeframe, it'll be hard to top that. If you're looking for something from around your irons day, maybe the 975D or Great Big Bertha. Don't know if they'd keep up with as well though.




    Thanks.



    Not quite Great Big Bertha era but the 983k and 975D are close. You're right though, I still think these are obsolete and can not keep up, maybe along the lines of the 910 Titleist series, 905R, Ping Rapture and TM Superfast mentioned above.
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    Honma TW 727 22* Hybrid
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  • MuskieCyMuskieCy Members Posts: 371 ✭✭
    edited Dec 20, 2018 #12
    Adams 9015D,......"Uhhhhhh,.....ball speed".
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  • radimanradiman Members Posts: 4,718 ✭✭
    edited Dec 13, 2018 #13

    radiman wrote:


    How old school are we talking. If you're thinking from the 983K's timeframe, it'll be hard to top that. If you're looking for something from around your irons day, maybe the 975D or Great Big Bertha. Don't know if they'd keep up with as well though.




    Thanks.



    Not quite Great Big Bertha era but the 983k and 975D are close. You're right though, I still think these are obsolete and can not keep up, maybe along the lines of the 910 Titleist series, 905R, Ping Rapture and TM Superfast mentioned above.




    All solid options. I wasn't so much a fan of the 910. But, the FT Tour from the same era was a beast. Maybe even the Adams 9015D from a few years earlier. That thing had a lot of praise here. And rightfully so. Get yourself a 9015D with a Harrison Saga shaft and you'd have THE GolfWRX driver from 2009. Everyone seemed to rave about that combo.



    975D may not keep up. But, I wouldn't be shocked to see the 983K hold it's own. Great classic shape. Smaller club head than what you see these days. Would have that classic bag look and feel to it.
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  • Exactice808Exactice808 Just want to hit ball far and go find it... Members Posts: 4,570 ✭✭
    edited Jan 8, 2019 2:09pm #14
    With the implementation of the .830 COR / 239 CT Unit time limitation. Back in 2003



    Meaning at current any Legal Generation of club from 2003 Should be capable if all things equal to keep up.



    So base point the R510 released in 2003 should by legal specs be just as long an M3/M4 with that anything in-between.



    The key is generating the maximum amount of speed you as a player can through proper shaft weight, flex and length then add on the head that gives you the greatest ball speed on your average strike on the face and then finally launch conditions.





    OK so got all that blah blah blah out of the way.





    TM Jetspeed driver, out side of the TM 07 Burner. Tech, Shaft, fitting, pricing and personally the most under rated driver I have known. I think they are $50 and deep(as in long) if the stock shaft works for you if not a simple swap of the adapter and the best fitting shaft for you at X length and you are gold.



    WITH that.... The Generations of club by PRICE for me is what I would gravitate too.



    910 D2 from Titleist

    Ping K15 driver



    All Great drives with legal .830 /239 Ct units and forgiving as can be.



    Other than that...in my opinion in the current tech is just spreading the 239ct units across the face as MUCH as possible.... through Speed channels and active recoil channels and increase MOI through weight.....$500 a driver... YIKESSS add in your shaft, fitting YIKESS!!! thats 10 rounds of golf!
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  • gbartkogbartko Whooooo! Members Posts: 663 ✭✭
    the billy club!

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  • theothertwotheothertwo Members Posts: 2,500 ✭✭
    edited Dec 13, 2018 #16
    I have been golfing for nearly 30 years and I've played with very good and long hitting golfers. No numbers to back it up but based on my observations, golfers are just as long 10 to 15 years ago when they were using older drivers like the Cleveland Launcher, 905Rs and others. Fitting was not such a big deal then so fitting and shafts are the real game changers as opposed to driver club head design?



    I have played regularly with two guys and they are both long hitters by amateur 40 year old standards, 270 to 285 drives at best. One is using an Epic SZ and a standard Epic. I honestly think they are not longer than when they were using their Titleist 909D3 and 907D1 drivers, they were of course 10 years younger then.



    I am so old school and behind, I admit I never got fitted for a driver. My irons are fitted for length and lie though.
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  • Exactice808Exactice808 Just want to hit ball far and go find it... Members Posts: 4,570 ✭✭
    edited Dec 13, 2018 #17


    I have been golfing for nearly 30 years and I've played with very good and long hitting golfers. No numbers to back it up but based on my observations, golfers are just as long 10 to 15 years ago when they were using older drivers like the Cleveland Launcher, 905Rs and others. Fitting was not such a big deal then so fitting and shafts are the real game changers as opposed to driver club head design?



    I am so old school and behind, I admit I never got fitted for a driver. My irons are fitted for length and lie though.




    In my opinion fitting and the ability to read and compare data is the "game changer"



    her is the thing in my mind.



    1.5 smash factor is generically the absolute number you can get in ratio of swing speed to ball speed. (i.e. 100mph swing speed = 150mph Ball speed)



    Now add in the optimized launch condition (generically, 17* of launch, 1700rpms of back spin) and you basically have the best most optimal distance period)



    Problem is most humans are NOT machines and cannot produce this with any type of robotic consistency BUT it doenst help trying to get as close as possible ,.



    With that through the aid of "Tech enhancements" Longer Shafts to help increase ball speeds. Wider MOI to increase forgiveness across the face of a club thus maximizing ball speed. People think they are getting better distance. But alas... The just were able to find a better smash factor on a couple of strikes at the golf store. NOT realizing that likely their smash is averaging no better than 1.40 ish...to maybe 1.45 (per my example, of 100mph swing speed = 140mph to 145mph. this is still leaving 5-10mph of optimal ball speed then distance on the table.)



    43' Driver swinging @ 100mph with a smash if 1.5 will go Further than the current 45.75" drivers @ 100mph with 1.45 smash. purely on data....there are other factors of course...







    LAST thought and here is my thought...... Go somewhere that can measure your swing speed and get an average....meaning after 10 swings your average swing speed is 95..... knowing this.... now apply the 1.5 smash and you have 142.5mph is the absolute realistic ball speed you can obtain.



    Now plug this in to a flight optimizer.... https://flightscope.com/products/trajectory-optimizer/



    Mess around with this till you can find the ABSOLUTE distance (example 15* launch, 2000rpm = 241.9 yards carry and 246.7 total) And that is what you COULD and should aim for as in REALISTIC longest of drives.



    If you are NOT obtaining anywhere near these numbers then the fitter should be able to tune, the launch angle (loft), shaft (flex, kick points overall weight) , length, and spin numbers to at least get closer to it......Thats the secret I have found.....





    My humble opinion that is....jeezz havent posted in 6 months and I feel like Im preaching so sorry about that!
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  • theothertwotheothertwo Members Posts: 2,500 ✭✭



    I have been golfing for nearly 30 years and I've played with very good and long hitting golfers. No numbers to back it up but based on my observations, golfers are just as long 10 to 15 years ago when they were using older drivers like the Cleveland Launcher, 905Rs and others. Fitting was not such a big deal then so fitting and shafts are the real game changers as opposed to driver club head design?



    I am so old school and behind, I admit I never got fitted for a driver. My irons are fitted for length and lie though.




    In my opinion fitting and the ability to read and compare data is the "game changer"



    her is the thing in my mind.



    1.5 smash factor is generically the absolute number you can get in ratio of swing speed to ball speed. (i.e. 100mph swing speed = 150mph Ball speed)



    Now add in the optimized launch condition (generically, 17* of launch, 1700rpms of back spin) and you basically have the best most optimal distance period)



    Problem is most humans are NOT machines and cannot produce this with any type of robotic consistency BUT it doenst help trying to get as close as possible ,.



    With that through the aid of "Tech enhancements" Longer Shafts to help increase ball speeds. Wider MOI to increase forgiveness across the face of a club thus maximizing ball speed. People think they are getting better distance. But alas... The just were able to find a better smash factor on a couple of strikes at the golf store. NOT realizing that likely their smash is averaging no better than 1.40 ish...to maybe 1.45 (per my example, of 100mph swing speed = 140mph to 145mph. this is still leaving 5-10mph of optimal ball speed then distance on the table.)



    43' Driver swinging @ 100mph with a smash if 1.5 will go Further than the current 45.75" drivers @ 100mph with 1.45 smash. purely on data....there are other factors of course...







    LAST thought and here is my thought...... Go somewhere that can measure your swing speed and get an average....meaning after 10 swings your average swing speed is 95..... knowing this.... now apply the 1.5 smash and you have 142.5mph is the absolute realistic ball speed you can obtain.



    Now plug this in to a flight optimizer.... https://flightscope.com/products/trajectory-optimizer/



    Mess around with this till you can find the ABSOLUTE distance (example 15* launch, 2000rpm = 241.9 yards carry and 246.7 total) And that is what you COULD and should aim for as in REALISTIC longest of drives.



    If you are NOT obtaining anywhere near these numbers then the fitter should be able to tune, the launch angle (loft), shaft (flex, kick points overall weight) , length, and spin numbers to at least get closer to it......Thats the secret I have found.....





    My humble opinion that is....jeezz havent posted in 6 months and I feel like Im preaching so sorry about that!




    All good, thanks.
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  • deca10deca10 deca10 Members Posts: 88 ✭✭
    Yes, any 983 titleist.........although right now I’m loving my 905s and t. Played Ping G400 LST most of the summer, and ended with the 905’s. G400 has been sold, great driver, but 905’s get it done.
  • cardoustiecardoustie haha, we don't play for 5's Tasmania to CanadaMembers Posts: 12,278 ✭✭
    The Bridgestone Whopper was my gamer as a university stick in the early 90's



    Based on your sig that should be an appealing option



    Great feel and shape

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  • MitchellMitchell Members Posts: 5,497 ✭✭
    R510tp (or any of r500 series that suits you)

    Rapture V2



    Exactice,

    Nice to see you posting again bruddah! Keiki must be keeping ya busy- best wishes to you, your wife and all the rest of your ohana.👊
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  • Outpost31Outpost31 Why don't we just wait here awhile...see what happens... Members Posts: 321 ✭✭
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    Ftiz, ugly but effective
  • agolf1agolf1 Members Posts: 1,249 ✭✭
    Titleist 983E if your strike is very good.



    Titleist 910D2 if you want something that resembles today's forgiveness.



    I played with an old 983E once this year. It is great when you catch it right but absolutely horrible if you miss at all (both loss of ball speed and direction).
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  • sfdoddsysfdoddsy Members Posts: 1,322 ✭✭
    Depends what you mean by 'Keep up' and how Old School you want to go.



    There have been some tests on such a thing:



    https://****.com/callaway-epic-vs-biggest-big-bertha/



    https://****.com/taylormade-m1-vs-taylormade-r7-superquad/



    The only Old School drivers I reckon will match a modern driver distance-wise are the Callaway ERC+ and the Taylormade SLDR.
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  • RobS14526RobS14526 Members Posts: 1,150 ✭✭
    Ping G2/5/10 are still fantastic. I still think the longest combo I’ve ever had was an Orlimar HipTi 420 with an early Taylormade Mitsubishi Tour shaft. Russian titanium baby!
  • theothertwotheothertwo Members Posts: 2,500 ✭✭
    agolf1 wrote:


    Titleist 983E if your strike is very good.



    Titleist 910D2 if you want something that resembles today's forgiveness.



    I played with an old 983E once this year. It is great when you catch it right but absolutely horrible if you miss at all (both loss of ball speed and direction).




    Thanks, might go with the 910. I remember the 983E, beautiful club but for very good hitters with a lot of speed I believe, kinda like the 905S.
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  • GhostwedgeGhostwedge Members Posts: 655 ✭✭
    I witness this a few times a year. Will tee it up with my son and his band of milennial hotshot ams, they all use the latest and greatest drivers, he still hits the Titleist 910 D2, theyʻre all out there 280-300 yds. Asked him if he wanted a new driver for Christmas, said heʻs good with the 910 and has bought a couple backups the past few years. Think he uses the stock Diamana shaft in them too.
  • aquapigaquapig Members Posts: 232 ✭✭
    Not sure what there is to NOT like about the 910D2.



    My buddies are constantly buying the latest and greatest drivers. And I’m constantly hitting mote fairways and still bomb some past them.



    I’ve tried hitting their stuff, but nothing feels or sounds nearly as good as the 910D2.
  • cardoustiecardoustie haha, we don't play for 5's Tasmania to CanadaMembers Posts: 12,278 ✭✭
    When I was younger, and longer off the tee, the longest drives of my life were with the 510tp.



    I recall having some local members come up to me after my round at Shaughnessy GC in the CDN Am and were amazed at where my drives ended up. I recall that day and on two converted par 5's to par 4's (they converted the course from 73 to 70) ... #1 and #10 I hit PW and 8i in respectively. Good lord, that was 2003, 15 summers ago. I did the Am in 2001 and then the back surgeries in 2004 were the end of the fast Uncle Cardy swing
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