Where is the best competition for junior golf?

Is it FL, CA, AZ, TX?



How about for US Kids Regional Tournaments - which are the ones that attract the best competition?
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  • tiger1873tiger1873 Members Posts: 1,080 ✭✭
    The biggest junior tournaments are in Texas for sure. Played in both Texas and Florida and the Texas tournaments simply bring out more kids.



    The Dallas area is probably as big as most Flordia state tournaments. When my daughter was under 10 you had to pretty much beat par on even low level tournaments to actually win.



    On the Us kids tour it was even worse as routinely kids in the top 20 would play angainst kids who just started playing. I recall some events where you needed to be under 30 for even a chance to place.

  • yellowlover519yellowlover519 Members Posts: 309 ✭✭
    TigerMom wrote:


    Is it FL, CA, AZ, TX?



    How about for US Kids Regional Tournaments - which are the ones that attract the best competition?




    Tristate better than AZ. Jersey tours have 150+ kids with 15+ in a lot of age groups. Also MET is one of the best PGA sections in the country.
  • heavy_hitterheavy_hitter Members Posts: 3,130 ✭✭
    edited Jan 1, 2019 5:14pm #4
    Southern California, Florida then Texas.
  • TigerswagTigerswag Members Posts: 36 ✭✭
    I guess it has a bunch to do with the age groups too. Atlanta is extremely competitive with the 2021 and 2022 kids. But, 2023 and 2020 are not too tough. (2022 class won the pga Jr league.). Top 10 in each class are tracking for D1 power 5.
  • CTgolfCTgolf Members Posts: 441 ✭✭
    leezer99 wrote:


    US Kids Regional events are just expensive vacations with a golf tournament attached. They are meant to be fun for the whole family so treat them as such.




    So in other words they're optional...kind of like skiing?
  • TigerMomTigerMom Members Posts: 214 ✭✭

    TigerMom wrote:


    Is it FL, CA, AZ, TX?



    How about for US Kids Regional Tournaments - which are the ones that attract the best competition?




    Tristate better than AZ. Jersey tours have 150+ kids with 15+ in a lot of age groups. Also MET is one of the best PGA sections in the country.




    This is interesting



    Besides sheer numbers, would you say that NJ and MET section talent level are same as the others mentioned?
  • kcapkcap Members Posts: 157 ✭✭
    TigerMom wrote:


    TigerMom wrote:


    Is it FL, CA, AZ, TX?



    How about for US Kids Regional Tournaments - which are the ones that attract the best competition?




    Tristate better than AZ. Jersey tours have 150+ kids with 15+ in a lot of age groups. Also MET is one of the best PGA sections in the country.




    This is interesting



    Besides sheer numbers, would you say that NJ and MET section talent level are same as the others mentioned?


    I disagree.. the NJ/MET section might have numbers at the local level but the level of competition is not close to FL/TX/CA.



    The confluence of good coaching, facilities, and competitive local tournaments are the factor IMO.



    We play in NJ/Tri State so have a pretty good idea on the level of competition at the US Kids level..
  • hangontighthangontight Members Posts: 555 ✭✭
    edited Jan 2, 2019 9:57pm #9
    So from the outside looking in - for those of us who don’t live in FL, TX, or CA that is- how do you keep up? My son is still young (8), but it’s a struggle to find good competition in our area and even within the state. And we live in coastal SC, so we do have a year round golf season. For us, Tmnt options are slim and fields typically very very small at local tmnts. We’ve come to enjoy the USKG regionals and worlds- good completion, sizeable fields, and we value the family vacation aspect of it. I realize that it’s costly for what we get, but there just isn’t any other viable Tmnt option(that I’ve found) locally or state level in his age groups that would be considered “competitive” until he hits the later ages of 12+. I am astonished , and a bit envious , of the great and varied opportunities that are available in the BIG 3 states for junior golf.
  • tiger1873tiger1873 Members Posts: 1,080 ✭✭
    edited Jan 2, 2019 10:35pm #10
    leezer99 wrote:



    So from the outside looking in - for those of us who don't live in FL, TX, or CA that is- how do you keep up? My son is still young (8), but it's a struggle to find good competition in our area and even within the state. And we live in coastal SC, so we do have a year round golf season. For us, Tmnt options are slim and fields typically very very small at local tmnts. We've come to enjoy the USKG regionals and worlds- good completion, sizeable fields, and we value the family vacation aspect of it. I realize that it's costly for what we get, but there just isn't any other viable Tmnt option(that I've found) locally or state level in his age groups that would be considered "competitive" until he hits the later ages of 12+. I am astonished , and a bit envious , of the great and varied opportunities that are available in the BIG 3 states for junior golf.




    It can be xxxxxx' stressful bro, don't be envious at all.




    Agree you see the kid winning who has a swing coach, short game coach , personal trainer and PGX clubs along with their own PR agent and wonder how the heck your going to keep up and why am I not doing it with my kids. (By the way none of this matters but it still bothers everyone)
  • wildcatdenwildcatden China Cat Sunflower Members Posts: 900 ✭✭
    tiger1873 wrote:

    leezer99 wrote:



    So from the outside looking in - for those of us who don't live in FL, TX, or CA that is- how do you keep up? My son is still young (8), but it's a struggle to find good competition in our area and even within the state. And we live in coastal SC, so we do have a year round golf season. For us, Tmnt options are slim and fields typically very very small at local tmnts. We've come to enjoy the USKG regionals and worlds- good completion, sizeable fields, and we value the family vacation aspect of it. I realize that it's costly for what we get, but there just isn't any other viable Tmnt option(that I've found) locally or state level in his age groups that would be considered "competitive" until he hits the later ages of 12+. I am astonished , and a bit envious , of the great and varied opportunities that are available in the BIG 3 states for junior golf.




    It can be xxxxxx' stressful bro, don't be envious at all.




    Agree you see the kid winning who has a swing coach, short game coach , personal trainer and PGX clubs along with their own PR agent and wonder how the heck your going to keep up and why am I not doing it with my kids. (By the way none of this matters but it still bothers everyone)




    Yep, we have a couple in our area that play Worlds, 6-7 Regionals, multiple USKG local tours (in our area anyway there are 4 local tours you can play within 2-2.5 hours), IMG Qualifiers, IMG Worlds, FCG Qualifiers, FCG National, FCG Worlds, JGANC tour, swing coach, short game coach, and renting a cart for every tournament. Let's not even include any course memberships or practice rounds they may play. All said and done, a couple of them are spending no less than $25K/year and this is at age 7.



    Having said all of that, they are winning (or placing well) so I guess there is a return. As others of said though, it probably doesn't matter anyway. I try not to let it bother me, but I'm human. If I had unlimited funds, I'd probably do the same thing. For now, we just have to take our own golf journey which starts with very limited tournaments next year (two total) and lots of simply playing as many different courses as possible for $5 or less per round (Youth on Course).
  • yellowlover519yellowlover519 Members Posts: 309 ✭✭
    kcap wrote:

    TigerMom wrote:


    TigerMom wrote:


    Is it FL, CA, AZ, TX?



    How about for US Kids Regional Tournaments - which are the ones that attract the best competition?




    Tristate better than AZ. Jersey tours have 150+ kids with 15+ in a lot of age groups. Also MET is one of the best PGA sections in the country.




    This is interesting



    Besides sheer numbers, would you say that NJ and MET section talent level are same as the others mentioned?


    I disagree.. the NJ/MET section might have numbers at the local level but the level of competition is not close to FL/TX/CA.



    The confluence of good coaching, facilities, and competitive local tournaments are the factor IMO.



    We play in NJ/Tri State so have a pretty good idea on the level of competition at the US Kids level..




    You can’t compare coaching and facilities with tristate. Tristate has the best in those two categories if you seek it. Agree that level of competition will be less but already stated that it’s below CA, FL and TX.
  • kcapkcap Members Posts: 157 ✭✭

    kcap wrote:

    TigerMom wrote:


    TigerMom wrote:


    Is it FL, CA, AZ, TX?



    How about for US Kids Regional Tournaments - which are the ones that attract the best competition?




    Tristate better than AZ. Jersey tours have 150+ kids with 15+ in a lot of age groups. Also MET is one of the best PGA sections in the country.




    This is interesting



    Besides sheer numbers, would you say that NJ and MET section talent level are same as the others mentioned?


    I disagree.. the NJ/MET section might have numbers at the local level but the level of competition is not close to FL/TX/CA.



    The confluence of good coaching, facilities, and competitive local tournaments are the factor IMO.



    We play in NJ/Tri State so have a pretty good idea on the level of competition at the US Kids level..




    You can't compare coaching and facilities with tristate. Tristate has the best in those two categories if you seek it. Agree that level of competition will be less but already stated that it's below CA, FL and TX.


    I am really curious to know why you think Tristate has the best...in terms of coaching and facilities. I am not being confrontational but am genuinely looking for what I would consider "world class coaching ". Who and what you consider the "Best" in the Tri State?
  • CTgolfCTgolf Members Posts: 441 ✭✭
    kcap wrote:


    kcap wrote:


    I disagree.. the NJ/MET section might have numbers at the local level but the level of competition is not close to FL/TX/CA.



    The confluence of good coaching, facilities, and competitive local tournaments are the factor IMO.



    We play in NJ/Tri State so have a pretty good idea on the level of competition at the US Kids level..




    You can't compare coaching and facilities with tristate. Tristate has the best in those two categories if you seek it. Agree that level of competition will be less but already stated that it's below CA, FL and TX.


    I am really curious to know why you think Tristate has the best...in terms of coaching and facilities. I am not being confrontational but am genuinely looking for what I would consider "world class coaching ". Who and what you consider the "Best" in the Tri State?




    The Northeast probably has the highest concentration of the best courses in the world, and instruction can be as good as anywhere, if you are willing to pay up. I would guess the number of top instructors per golfer is probably very similar to other regions in the US.
  • kcapkcap Members Posts: 157 ✭✭
    CTgolf wrote:

    kcap wrote:


    kcap wrote:


    I disagree.. the NJ/MET section might have numbers at the local level but the level of competition is not close to FL/TX/CA.



    The confluence of good coaching, facilities, and competitive local tournaments are the factor IMO.



    We play in NJ/Tri State so have a pretty good idea on the level of competition at the US Kids level..




    You can't compare coaching and facilities with tristate. Tristate has the best in those two categories if you seek it. Agree that level of competition will be less but already stated that it's below CA, FL and TX.


    I am really curious to know why you think Tristate has the best...in terms of coaching and facilities. I am not being confrontational but am genuinely looking for what I would consider "world class coaching ". Who and what you consider the "Best" in the Tri State?




    The Northeast probably has the highest concentration of the best courses in the world, and instruction can be as good as anywhere, if you are willing to pay up. I would guess the number of top instructors per golfer is probably very similar to other regions in the US.


    I dont know the number of top instructors per golfer.. but according to the 2017-18 Golf Digest rankings, NJ has 17 Pros ranked as the Best Teachers with 2 in the top 50. That number is quite similar to Ohio, Michigan, Maryland, PA, Virginia, Georgia etc.



    While Florida, California, and Texas have about 4050 teachers ranked.. so 3x.
  • BaitkillerBaitkiller Members Posts: 1,718 ✭✭
    Tex Cali and FL are big states and while (golf) is wide spread throughout them all you may find high level (junior golf) to be extremely concentrated to a given region within that state.
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  • kcapkcap Members Posts: 157 ✭✭
    leezer99 wrote:

    kcap wrote:


    I am really curious to know why you think Tristate has the best...in terms of coaching and facilities. I am not being confrontational but am genuinely looking for what I would consider "world class coaching ". Who and what you consider the "Best" in the Tri State?




    First of all have you ever heard of anyone say, "I'm going to retire in the Tri State area to play golf"? I think that tells you more than anything. Playable days in the NE are what 250? Playable days in California are probably around 360.



    Golf Digest Top Instructors:



    Tri State Area: 58 Top Instructors / 5 top 50

    FL / TX / CA: 143 Top Instructors / 26 of the top 50



    Tri State Top 50: (apparently you need to be named Mike)

    Mike Adams (2), Hamilton Farm G.C., Gladstone

    Mike Bennett (36), Stack & Tilt Academy, Mount Holly

    Michael Breed (13), Michael Breed Golf Academy at Trump G. Links at Ferry Point, New York City

    Michael Hebron (23), Smithtown Landing G. Cse.

    Michael Jacobs (32), X Golf School, Manorville



    FL / TX / CA Top 50:



    Chuck Cook (3), Chuck Cook Golf Academy, Austin

    Cameron McCormick (5), Altus Performance at Trinity Forest G.C., Dallas

    Hank Haney (8), Hank Haney Golf, Lewisville

    Jim Hardy (9), Plane Truth Golf, Houston

    Chris Como (17), Gleneagles C.C., Plano

    Randy Smith (31), Royal Oaks C.C., Dallas

    Dave Pelz (33), Dave Pelz Scoring Game Schools, Austin

    Jim McLean (4), Jim McLean Golf School at The Biltmore, Coral Gables

    Mike Bender (6), Mike Bender Golf Academy at Magnolia Plantation G.C., Lake Mary

    David Leadbetter (7), David Leadbetter Golf Academy At Championsgate, Orlando

    Sean Foley (10), Foley Performance Academy at Eaglesdream, Lake Mary

    Martin Hall (11), Ibis G. & C.C., West Palm Beach

    Claude Harmon III (12), Butch Harmon Floridian, Palm City

    Todd Anderson (T-14), PGA Tour's Performance Center at TPC Sawgrass, Ponte Vedra Beach

    Bob Toski (18), Toski-Battersby Golf Learning Center, Coconut Creek

    Gary Gilchrist (21), Gary Gilchrist Golf Academy At Mission Inn Resort & C., Howey-In-The-Hills

    Andy Plummer (35), Turnberry Isle Miami, Aventura

    Dr. Jim Suttie (35), The Golf Academy at Twineagles, Naples

    Jimmy Ballard (38), Ballard Swing, Connection at Ocean Reef C., Key Largo

    Rick Smith (45), Rick Smith Academy at Trump National Doral

    Cheryl Anderson (T-46), Mike Bender Golf Academy, Lake Mary

    Craig Shankland (T-46), LPGA International, Daytona Beach

    Mac O'Grady (20), Mac O'Grady Golf School, Palm Springs

    Bill Harmon (22), Bill Harmon Performance Center, Toscana C.C., Indian Wells

    Dave Stockton (28), Stockton Golf, Redlands

    Dave Phillips (37), TPI, Oceanside


    Leezer -- I missed this post, but honestly I don't get it, are you agreeing with the concept that TriState has plenty of coaching and facilities?



    There is a reason that most top Junior and professional golfers come from FL, TX, and CA... and I dont think it is the weather, cause you get some really good golfers from UK etc.
  • wlmwlm Members Posts: 97 ✭✭
    Keep in mind that Texas, California and Florida are the 3 most populated states in the US, and have excellent year round weather. Those states are fertile grounds for a lot of sports (see football and baseball recruiting). I will say that the tri state area has some great golf courses.
  • CTgolfCTgolf Members Posts: 441 ✭✭
    kcap wrote:

    leezer99 wrote:

    kcap wrote:


    I am really curious to know why you think Tristate has the best...in terms of coaching and facilities. I am not being confrontational but am genuinely looking for what I would consider "world class coaching ". Who and what you consider the "Best" in the Tri State?




    First of all have you ever heard of anyone say, "I'm going to retire in the Tri State area to play golf"? I think that tells you more than anything. Playable days in the NE are what 250? Playable days in California are probably around 360.



    Golf Digest Top Instructors:



    Tri State Area: 58 Top Instructors / 5 top 50

    FL / TX / CA: 143 Top Instructors / 26 of the top 50



    Tri State Top 50: (apparently you need to be named Mike)

    Mike Adams (2), Hamilton Farm G.C., Gladstone

    Mike Bennett (36), Stack & Tilt Academy, Mount Holly

    Michael Breed (13), Michael Breed Golf Academy at Trump G. Links at Ferry Point, New York City

    Michael Hebron (23), Smithtown Landing G. Cse.

    Michael Jacobs (32), X Golf School, Manorville



    FL / TX / CA Top 50:



    Chuck Cook (3), Chuck Cook Golf Academy, Austin

    Cameron McCormick (5), Altus Performance at Trinity Forest G.C., Dallas

    Hank Haney (8), Hank Haney Golf, Lewisville

    Jim Hardy (9), Plane Truth Golf, Houston

    Chris Como (17), Gleneagles C.C., Plano

    Randy Smith (31), Royal Oaks C.C., Dallas

    Dave Pelz (33), Dave Pelz Scoring Game Schools, Austin

    Jim McLean (4), Jim McLean Golf School at The Biltmore, Coral Gables

    Mike Bender (6), Mike Bender Golf Academy at Magnolia Plantation G.C., Lake Mary

    David Leadbetter (7), David Leadbetter Golf Academy At Championsgate, Orlando

    Sean Foley (10), Foley Performance Academy at Eaglesdream, Lake Mary

    Martin Hall (11), Ibis G. & C.C., West Palm Beach

    Claude Harmon III (12), Butch Harmon Floridian, Palm City

    Todd Anderson (T-14), PGA Tour's Performance Center at TPC Sawgrass, Ponte Vedra Beach

    Bob Toski (18), Toski-Battersby Golf Learning Center, Coconut Creek

    Gary Gilchrist (21), Gary Gilchrist Golf Academy At Mission Inn Resort & C., Howey-In-The-Hills

    Andy Plummer (35), Turnberry Isle Miami, Aventura

    Dr. Jim Suttie (35), The Golf Academy at Twineagles, Naples

    Jimmy Ballard (38), Ballard Swing, Connection at Ocean Reef C., Key Largo

    Rick Smith (45), Rick Smith Academy at Trump National Doral

    Cheryl Anderson (T-46), Mike Bender Golf Academy, Lake Mary

    Craig Shankland (T-46), LPGA International, Daytona Beach

    Mac O'Grady (20), Mac O'Grady Golf School, Palm Springs

    Bill Harmon (22), Bill Harmon Performance Center, Toscana C.C., Indian Wells

    Dave Stockton (28), Stockton Golf, Redlands

    Dave Phillips (37), TPI, Oceanside


    Leezer -- I missed this post, but honestly I don't get it, are you agreeing with the concept that TriState has plenty of coaching and facilities?



    There is a reason that most top Junior and professional golfers come from FL, TX, and CA... and I dont think it is the weather, cause you get some really good golfers from UK etc.




    I think the weather in the UK is probably better than the Northeast US for golf, as you can arguably play year round (typical winter high temps in the mid 40s vs mid 30s)



    I think the major impediments to golf in the Northeast is high price, low availability (not as many courses per capita, longer travel times to get there in urban areas) and short season (8 months max).
  • heavy_hitterheavy_hitter Members Posts: 3,130 ✭✭
    kcap wrote:

    leezer99 wrote:

    kcap wrote:


    I am really curious to know why you think Tristate has the best...in terms of coaching and facilities. I am not being confrontational but am genuinely looking for what I would consider "world class coaching ". Who and what you consider the "Best" in the Tri State?




    First of all have you ever heard of anyone say, "I'm going to retire in the Tri State area to play golf"? I think that tells you more than anything. Playable days in the NE are what 250? Playable days in California are probably around 360.



    Golf Digest Top Instructors:



    Tri State Area: 58 Top Instructors / 5 top 50

    FL / TX / CA: 143 Top Instructors / 26 of the top 50



    Tri State Top 50: (apparently you need to be named Mike)

    Mike Adams (2), Hamilton Farm G.C., Gladstone

    Mike Bennett (36), Stack & Tilt Academy, Mount Holly

    Michael Breed (13), Michael Breed Golf Academy at Trump G. Links at Ferry Point, New York City

    Michael Hebron (23), Smithtown Landing G. Cse.

    Michael Jacobs (32), X Golf School, Manorville



    FL / TX / CA Top 50:



    Chuck Cook (3), Chuck Cook Golf Academy, Austin

    Cameron McCormick (5), Altus Performance at Trinity Forest G.C., Dallas

    Hank Haney (8), Hank Haney Golf, Lewisville

    Jim Hardy (9), Plane Truth Golf, Houston

    Chris Como (17), Gleneagles C.C., Plano

    Randy Smith (31), Royal Oaks C.C., Dallas

    Dave Pelz (33), Dave Pelz Scoring Game Schools, Austin

    Jim McLean (4), Jim McLean Golf School at The Biltmore, Coral Gables

    Mike Bender (6), Mike Bender Golf Academy at Magnolia Plantation G.C., Lake Mary

    David Leadbetter (7), David Leadbetter Golf Academy At Championsgate, Orlando

    Sean Foley (10), Foley Performance Academy at Eaglesdream, Lake Mary

    Martin Hall (11), Ibis G. & C.C., West Palm Beach

    Claude Harmon III (12), Butch Harmon Floridian, Palm City

    Todd Anderson (T-14), PGA Tour's Performance Center at TPC Sawgrass, Ponte Vedra Beach

    Bob Toski (18), Toski-Battersby Golf Learning Center, Coconut Creek

    Gary Gilchrist (21), Gary Gilchrist Golf Academy At Mission Inn Resort & C., Howey-In-The-Hills

    Andy Plummer (35), Turnberry Isle Miami, Aventura

    Dr. Jim Suttie (35), The Golf Academy at Twineagles, Naples

    Jimmy Ballard (38), Ballard Swing, Connection at Ocean Reef C., Key Largo

    Rick Smith (45), Rick Smith Academy at Trump National Doral

    Cheryl Anderson (T-46), Mike Bender Golf Academy, Lake Mary

    Craig Shankland (T-46), LPGA International, Daytona Beach

    Mac O'Grady (20), Mac O'Grady Golf School, Palm Springs

    Bill Harmon (22), Bill Harmon Performance Center, Toscana C.C., Indian Wells

    Dave Stockton (28), Stockton Golf, Redlands

    Dave Phillips (37), TPI, Oceanside


    Leezer -- I missed this post, but honestly I don't get it, are you agreeing with the concept that TriState has plenty of coaching and facilities?



    There is a reason that most top Junior and professional golfers come from FL, TX, and CA... and I dont think it is the weather, cause you get some really good golfers from UK etc.




    He is agreeing with you.
  • CTgolfCTgolf Members Posts: 441 ✭✭
    Another thread locked. Can't we just all get along?
  • heavy_hitterheavy_hitter Members Posts: 3,130 ✭✭
    CTgolf wrote:


    Another thread locked. Can't we just all get along?




    If posts weren't consistently challenged by one person from qualified people, no threads would be locked.
  • CTgolfCTgolf Members Posts: 441 ✭✭

    CTgolf wrote:


    Another thread locked. Can't we just all get along?




    If posts weren't consistently challenged by one person from qualified people, no threads would be locked.




    "Many sides"
  • kcapkcap Members Posts: 157 ✭✭
    CTgolf wrote:


    Another thread locked. Can't we just all get along?


    Ha - Then it would not be that entertaining.



    On a separate note.



    The little guy gained 3-4 inches over the last few months and is getting a club fitting this weekend. Wish me luck!
  • kcapkcap Members Posts: 157 ✭✭
    A local guy in the area who I heard about and then researched a lot. We even met up last week for a bit, just to see if it even makes sense to go through a fitting. Fortunately he has a lot of shaft options and is will to cut and make clubs just for a fitting.



    It is a full bag fitting over a couple of sessions, thus we are start this week. I assume we get done over 2-3 weeks and then some more for assembly and building the set.



    I am hoping his woods and driver is only both changing the shaft length and flex. He has Rogue with Recoil shaft (senior flex) that yours truly assembled.



    The irons are different story.. still plays with US Kids 57 but should probably be in 63s.
  • yellowlover519yellowlover519 Members Posts: 309 ✭✭
    leezer99 wrote:

    kcap wrote:


    I am really curious to know why you think Tristate has the best...in terms of coaching and facilities. I am not being confrontational but am genuinely looking for what I would consider "world class coaching ". Who and what you consider the "Best" in the Tri State?




    First of all have you ever heard of anyone say, "I'm going to retire in the Tri State area to play golf"? I think that tells you more than anything. Playable days in the NE are what 250? Playable days in California are probably around 360.



    Golf Digest Top Instructors:



    Tri State Area: 58 Top Instructors / 5 top 50

    FL / TX / CA: 143 Top Instructors / 26 of the top 50



    Tri State Top 50: (apparently you need to be named Mike)

    Mike Adams (2), Hamilton Farm G.C., Gladstone

    Mike Bennett (36), Stack & Tilt Academy, Mount Holly

    Michael Breed (13), Michael Breed Golf Academy at Trump G. Links at Ferry Point, New York City

    Michael Hebron (23), Smithtown Landing G. Cse.

    Michael Jacobs (32), X Golf School, Manorville



    FL / TX / CA Top 50:



    Chuck Cook (3), Chuck Cook Golf Academy, Austin

    Cameron McCormick (5), Altus Performance at Trinity Forest G.C., Dallas

    Hank Haney (8), Hank Haney Golf, Lewisville

    Jim Hardy (9), Plane Truth Golf, Houston

    Chris Como (17), Gleneagles C.C., Plano

    Randy Smith (31), Royal Oaks C.C., Dallas

    Dave Pelz (33), Dave Pelz Scoring Game Schools, Austin

    Jim McLean (4), Jim McLean Golf School at The Biltmore, Coral Gables

    Mike Bender (6), Mike Bender Golf Academy at Magnolia Plantation G.C., Lake Mary

    David Leadbetter (7), David Leadbetter Golf Academy At Championsgate, Orlando

    Sean Foley (10), Foley Performance Academy at Eaglesdream, Lake Mary

    Martin Hall (11), Ibis G. & C.C., West Palm Beach

    Claude Harmon III (12), Butch Harmon Floridian, Palm City

    Todd Anderson (T-14), PGA Tour's Performance Center at TPC Sawgrass, Ponte Vedra Beach

    Bob Toski (18), Toski-Battersby Golf Learning Center, Coconut Creek

    Gary Gilchrist (21), Gary Gilchrist Golf Academy At Mission Inn Resort & C., Howey-In-The-Hills

    Andy Plummer (35), Turnberry Isle Miami, Aventura

    Dr. Jim Suttie (35), The Golf Academy at Twineagles, Naples

    Jimmy Ballard (38), Ballard Swing, Connection at Ocean Reef C., Key Largo

    Rick Smith (45), Rick Smith Academy at Trump National Doral

    Cheryl Anderson (T-46), Mike Bender Golf Academy, Lake Mary

    Craig Shankland (T-46), LPGA International, Daytona Beach

    Mac O'Grady (20), Mac O'Grady Golf School, Palm Springs

    Bill Harmon (22), Bill Harmon Performance Center, Toscana C.C., Indian Wells

    Dave Stockton (28), Stockton Golf, Redlands

    Dave Phillips (37), TPI, Oceanside




    Except the number of tristate coaches on that list are all within 60 miles of the city, more or less. Can’t compare against three entire states. And you can’t even compare when it comes to the number of top golf courses/facilities if you have the means. Again, I didn’t say tristate was better than the three states mentioned for golf; I said you can’t chalk it to instruction and facilities.
  • yellowlover519yellowlover519 Members Posts: 309 ✭✭
    edited Jan 3, 2019 6:03pm #27
    Also - instruction/facilities are pretty irrelevant; it’s not like most people will pay for “top” rated instructors or belong to the top country clubs. The real reason why more pros/ junior golfers come out of FL, TX and CA is bc a greater number of parents/children are willing to go all in on golf - even if that means huge sacrifices, including academics. Not just being a 4.0 student at some small obscure town, but really being able to have the same academic foundation to go to a top college and succeed at such institution (you just wouldn’t have the time to practice golf as much as it takes to be a top junior and study). Forget all the other social sacrifices. Because you have more “all in” players, you have much better competition locally, which I do believe is a key ingredient to becoming an elite junior golfer. The reality is that you have a better chance of making millions in finance than becoming a professional athlete. If you were to expend similar hours on academics as some of these parents do in golf, you would have an easier road to a top university, followed by a big-bank job, followed by a private equity gig.
  • jj9000jj9000 ClubWRX Posts: 2,645 ClubWRX


    Also - instruction/facilities are pretty irrelevant; it’s not like most people will pay for “top” rated instructors or belong to the top country clubs. The real reason why more pros/ junior golfers come out of FL, TX and CA is bc a greater number of parents/children are willing to go all in on golf - even if that means huge sacrifices, including academics. Not just being a 4.0 student at some small obscure town, but really being able to have the same academic foundation to go to a top college and succeed at such institution (you just wouldn’t have the time to practice golf as much as it takes to be a top junior and study). Forget all the other social sacrifices. Because you have more “all in” players, you have much better competition locally, which I do believe is a key ingredient to becoming an elite junior golfer. The reality is that you have a better chance of making millions in finance than becoming a professional athlete. If you were to expend similar hours on academics as some of these parents do in golf, you would have an easier road to a top university, followed by a big-bank job, followed by a private equity gig.




    I disagree with the theory of 'all-in' parents in TX/FL/CA being the driver for more top golfers coming from these states, in comparison to the Tri-State area.



    Set parenting aside for a moment. Being able to play golf 12 months per year...every year...is likely a bigger contributor.
  • yellowlover519yellowlover519 Members Posts: 309 ✭✭
    jj9000 wrote:



    Also - instruction/facilities are pretty irrelevant; it’s not like most people will pay for “top” rated instructors or belong to the top country clubs. The real reason why more pros/ junior golfers come out of FL, TX and CA is bc a greater number of parents/children are willing to go all in on golf - even if that means huge sacrifices, including academics. Not just being a 4.0 student at some small obscure town, but really being able to have the same academic foundation to go to a top college and succeed at such institution (you just wouldn’t have the time to practice golf as much as it takes to be a top junior and study). Forget all the other social sacrifices. Because you have more “all in” players, you have much better competition locally, which I do believe is a key ingredient to becoming an elite junior golfer. The reality is that you have a better chance of making millions in finance than becoming a professional athlete. If you were to expend similar hours on academics as some of these parents do in golf, you would have an easier road to a top university, followed by a big-bank job, followed by a private equity gig.




    I disagree with the theory of 'all-in' parents in TX/FL/CA being the driver for more top golfers coming from these states, in comparison to the Tri-State area.



    Set parenting aside for a moment. Being able to play golf 12 months per year...every year...is likely a bigger contributor.




    We are kind of saying the same thing. Whether it’s playing year-round golf or going all in, where you’re from doesn’t necessarily dictate how much golf you can get during a year. You can travel and there are indoor practice facilities everywhere. Didn’t the recent junior am champion come from MA? I know a kid from CT that ha finished top 5 at worlds every year since he was 6. It’s the drive of parents and/or kids to go all in.
  • theboypinoytheboypinoy Members Posts: 2,076 ✭✭


    Southern California, Florida then Texas.




    Northern California is really good too. Our area is really producing really strong golfers the past few years



    Looking at winners from Asian Tour, European Tour, PGA Tour, Canadian, Latin American Tours, there are a number that come within the greater Bay Area and Sacramento areas. If you want to include Fresno, then Bryson DeChambeau gets lumped in there too. image/smile.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':)' />
  • CTgolfCTgolf Members Posts: 441 ✭✭

    jj9000 wrote:



    Also - instruction/facilities are pretty irrelevant; it's not like most people will pay for "top" rated instructors or belong to the top country clubs. The real reason why more pros/ junior golfers come out of FL, TX and CA is bc a greater number of parents/children are willing to go all in on golf - even if that means huge sacrifices, including academics. Not just being a 4.0 student at some small obscure town, but really being able to have the same academic foundation to go to a top college and succeed at such institution (you just wouldn't have the time to practice golf as much as it takes to be a top junior and study). Forget all the other social sacrifices. Because you have more "all in" players, you have much better competition locally, which I do believe is a key ingredient to becoming an elite junior golfer. The reality is that you have a better chance of making millions in finance than becoming a professional athlete. If you were to expend similar hours on academics as some of these parents do in golf, you would have an easier road to a top university, followed by a big-bank job, followed by a private equity gig.




    I disagree with the theory of 'all-in' parents in TX/FL/CA being the driver for more top golfers coming from these states, in comparison to the Tri-State area.



    Set parenting aside for a moment. Being able to play golf 12 months per year...every year...is likely a bigger contributor.




    Didn't the recent junior am champion come from MA?




    Michael Thorbjornsen (#9 overall JGS) does come from MA, but I believe he attends IMG in FL
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