Apex cf16 to Apex 2019 irons - Loft jacking continuing??

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  • CaseyDanCaseyDan Members Posts: 796 ✭✭
    All I know is that I’m “jacked” to receive and game my new Apex Irons this year.
    TaylorMade M2 Tensei Pro White 60s
    Callaway Epic Flash w/ Whiteboard 70s
    Callaway Rogue 5W w/ Whiteboard 80s
    Callaway Apex 19 Combo 4-AW
    Ping Glide 2.0 56*
    TaylorMade 60* Hi-Toe
    TaylorMade Spider X
  • golfer55082golfer55082 Members Posts: 290 ✭✭
    Interesting point. Plus they can sell more hybrids because 3 and 4 irons are harder to hit.
    smashdn wrote:


    1988 - 2-PW - 9 clubs - $799 + 2 wedges + 2 woods + Putter

    2019 - 4-PW - 7 clubs - $799 + 4 wedges + 2 woods + Putter



    They can sell you an iron set with less clubs and then sell you more wedges at ~$130 per wedge.
  • 18th Legion18th Legion Members Posts: 1,102 ✭✭
    Probably an unpopular position especially among low handicappers, but I liked the 5* gapping on 8,9,PW,AW . . .

    Using the CF16s, I really looked forward to this release, however, regardless of the jacked lofts, to put these in my bag I would have to rethink the gaps to the Hybrids and especially Gap and Sand Wedges, possibly forcing additional replacement.

    This year is getting expense...
    TaylorMade M4 D 10.5 Aldila Synergy
    Callaway Rogue 4 Fwy Aldila Synergy
    Callaway Rogue Heavenwood 21 Aldila Synergy
    Callaway Rogue Hybrids 4,5 Aldila Synergy
    Callaway CF16, 6-PW TT XP95
    Callaway X Forged 50-12 / 55-15 C grind / 60.9 C grind
    TaylorMade Rossa Maranello / Bettinardi BB34
    TaylorMade Burner TP LDP / TP5x
    Ogio Ozone / Edge / Nexos
  • BanjoMinnowBanjoMinnow Members Posts: 7 ✭✭




    5 iron, 24° in cf16, 23.5° in cf19.

    PW, 45° in cf16, 43° in cf19.



    The pursuit for distance has reached a new level. Quite absurd.



    See the pictures for all specs of cf16 and cf19.







    At the end of the day, if a 7 iron still flys and lands like a 7 iron, why does it matter what loft it is.




    Except that it is 10 yards longer than a traditionally-lofted 7 iron. Same for your PW. You suddenly have a 25 yards gap between the new PW and your 51-degree gap wedge. Then what you do?




    Then hit a knock-down PW. Every shot doesn't have to be a full shot.
  • TitletownTitletown Members Posts: 70 ✭✭

    rbj69 wrote:


    So that is why Xander won,lol




    Pure luck with the two chip-ins. I have never seen a pro chunks the driver 200 yards side way to a fairway bunker ...




    Xander plays the Apex Pro's so that loft chart doesn't relate to his set. He also said many times after that drive was intentional. He wasn't carrying a 5 wood and he had been practicing that shot during the practice rounds.

    Driver: Mizuno ST190 9.5* Tensei CK Pro White 60
    Fairway Wood: Mizuno ST190 TS 15* Tensei CK Pro White 70
    Hybrid: Mizuno CLK 19* Tensei CK Pro White 90
    Irons: Mizuno JPX 900 Tour 4i-9i KBS $-Taper 120
    Wedges: Mizuno T7 46/50/54/58 KBS $-Taper 120
    Putter: Edel E-5 Torgue Balaned
    Ball: Titleist ProV1x

  • cliffhangercliffhanger spruce grove albertaClubWRX Posts: 1,754 ClubWRX
    one could always buy clubs with more traditional lofts if this is a problem


    Driver: M6 (10.5 deg) with Project X Smoke 60X playing at 45 inches
    3Wood: M6 (14 deg) with Project X Smoke 70X playing at 43 inches
    Hybrid: M6 #3 with KBS Tour Hybrid Prototype 95X
    4-GW: P760 with KBS Tour X (all bent 2 deg flat)
    HiToe Wedges: 56/10 and 60/10 (all bent 2 deg flat) with 2.0 hi-rev shafts
    Mullen 2 TP putter @ 34 inches 
    TP 5 ball 

     All grips 360 tour velvet burgundy with 1 extra wrap

    Sun mountain 4.5 stand bag

  • QuigleyDUQuigleyDU Members Posts: 6,588 ✭✭
    I have actually been working to spread my irons and wedges out to cover more ground. My 3 iron is 19 degrees, PW is 48. then its 53, 58, 64 degree wedges driver, and 3 wood. i think it will work out great. i need to bend my 5 iron a degree strong, and 9 iron a degree weak to fix gapping but then i should be set.
    Driver: Callaway Epic SubZero 3D 10.5*, Fujikura Ventus 7X
    Fairway: NIKE VAPOR 13*
    3-4 IRON: MIZZY MP18MMC FLIHI
    5-9 IRONS: MP5 DG AMT X100
    WEDGES; CLEVELAND RTX4: 48, 53, 58, 64
    PUTTER; Directed Force 2.1
    BALL; various, ask me that day.
  • emoemo Members Posts: 853 ✭✭
    looking at callaway apex cf 19 would there be in issue for me to go 2* weak?
  • new2g0lfnew2g0lf Members Posts: 3,386 ✭✭
    Jacked lofts as just part of the distance equation, they have to get the right shafts as well. We all know a 7i today is really a 5i of 10 years ago but in the end nobody cares because when you're at the tee box and you hit your 7i 165 yards to the pin and everyone else falls 20 yards short they ask you what club you hit, not the loft.



    The Apex CF19's are long and a lot of golfers will buy them for that reason, just as they bought the P790's and AP3's. IMHO, distance irons will be a huge market because many guys I know refuse to acknowledge the loss of distance as they get older.
    Driver - Ping G400 MAX 10.5*
    Woods - XXIO 10 3W
    Hybrids - XXIO 10 3H, 4H, 5H
    Irons - Home - PXG Gen 2 0311P 5-GW Away - Ping i500 5-AW
    Wedge - Vokey TVD 56* K Grind
    Putter - Seemore Nashville mFGP2 SS Mallet Black
    Ball - KSig, TM TP5X, Snell MTB
  • tanker44tanker44 Mid-AtlanticMembers Posts: 280 ✭✭
    edited Mar 27, 2019 4:11am #71

    The callaway apex 2019 are the best irons I have ever played. I played competition from juniors, high school, college and still as an adult amateur. I could always keep up with the longest hitters. At 37 my distances have declined while the courses have gotten longer. However, these apex 2019s are so good. They are so easy to hit. I track range data. I hit these at same trajectory and distance dispersion as I did with MP18s and XForged18s. However, 7iron is flying 175 rather than 160. Plus these irons are traditional in profile and beautiful. If you have been on the fence about getting stronger lofted irons you need to hit these.

    TM M2 - Fuji 53
    Epic Flash SZ 13.5* 
    Apex HY 20*
    Callaway Apex 2019 4/PW
    Titleist SM7 48/56/60
    TM Spider Tour 
  • golfer55082golfer55082 Members Posts: 290 ✭✭

    How about the shot making, distance consistentency of the new Apex compared to x-forged 2018 as you mentioned using? How about Backspin number? Those things are what I don’t find in new Apex Pro and why I stick to x-forged 18.

    @tanker44 said:
    The callaway apex 2019 are the best irons I have ever played. I played competition from juniors, high school, college and still as an adult amateur. I could always keep up with the longest hitters. At 37 my distances have declined while the courses have gotten longer. However, these apex 2019s are so good. They are so easy to hit. I track range data. I hit these at same trajectory and distance dispersion as I did with MP18s and XForged18s. However, 7iron is flying 175 rather than 160. Plus these irons are traditional in profile and beautiful. If you have been on the fence about getting stronger lofted irons you need to hit these.

  • Randy in CalgaryRandy in Calgary Members Posts: 5 ✭✭
    edited Apr 8, 2019 4:32pm #73

    I just bought the Apex 19 5-AW and have played 2 rounds with them. My old irons were Nike Covert 2.0's and the distance seems to be a little bit more with the Callaway's, with the trajectory a bit lower but more spin (they stop great). If have had to adjust the bag though. I removed one hybrid (4) and added a wedge (which I already had).
    I had to have my 50/54/58 wedges bent to 52/56/60 and the lie adjusted flat to match. Wow, great gapping and the flatter lie has all but eliminated my left misses with the short irons and wedges.
    I love these irons. And the bag appeal is primo.

  • DTown3011DTown3011 #DTown3011 ClubWRX Posts: 3,574 ClubWRX

    I plan to go with the combo set, where the lofts have been adjusted weaker and should be a better gap in terms of distance. Also interesting that they developed entirely new tooling and even slight tweaks to the head shape for the combo set vs. the standard sets.

    Epic Flash SZ 9.5* Mitsubishi Tensei AV Blue 65X
    Epic Flash 15.0* Mitsubishi Tensei AV Blue 75X
    Apex '19 20* Fujikura Atmos HB TS Blue 8X
    X-Forged UT 21* KBS C-Taper Lite X
    Apex CF19 Combo #5-P KBS $-Taper 120S
    MD4 Raw 50-S/56-X/60-S KBS 610 120
    Odyssey MXM-V #7 "Tank" @ 38"
    Snell MTB-X / Chrome Soft X Triple Track
  • gmyers22gmyers22 Members Posts: 38 ✭✭

    I have the combos on order. I went one degree weak so the PW is 46 degrees. I go 50/54/58 in my othe wedges and got the 19 Apex 4 Hybrid that has been great so far for 2 rounds. Super excited to get them!

  • ssfrannyssfranny Lefty Boomers Posts: 2,608 ✭✭

    @Randy in Calgary said:
    I just bought the Apex 19 5-AW and have played 2 rounds with them. My old irons were Nike Covert 2.0's and the distance seems to be a little bit more with the Callaway's, with the trajectory a bit lower but more spin (they stop great). If have had to adjust the bag though. I removed one hybrid (4) and added a wedge (which I already had).
    I had to have my 50/54/58 wedges bent to 52/56/60 and the lie adjusted flat to match. Wow, great gapping and the flatter lie has all but eliminated my left misses with the short irons and wedges.
    I love these irons. And the bag appeal is primo.

    I have the 5-GW as well with Modus 105 they felt OK but harder than my PXG and launched lower.

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