PM Grind vs High Toe

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Not sure if this has been talked about but with the new PM grind coming out looking to hear people’s thoughts on the original vs the High Toe?
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  • SilenceXSilenceX  53WRX Points: 32Members Posts: 53 Bunkers
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    I have a Hi-Toe in 60 and played around with my father's PM Grind in 60 before I bought it. They're pretty close to each other in terms of feel and top down look (minus the finish of course). I think the ATV sole of the Hi-Toe helps me out in bunkers a bit more but at a sacrifice of maybe a little less forgiveness and higher chance of blading it off a tight lie if I get a little handsy and miss hit it.



    All in all, from my amateur perspective they feel and play pretty identical as long as you don't mind the copper finish (or don't mind using a vinegar solution to remove it.) I went with the Hi-Toe because I just preferred the Hi Rev shaft over the Tour V, I get a bit more spin and height to it which is what I look for in a lob wedge. That and I actually really like the copper finish and how it transforms from each strike.
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  • Phil MajorPhil Major  134WRX Points: 45Handicap: 17Members Posts: 134 Fairways
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    New PM Grind will come with Hi Rev II shaft as standard shaft. I am looking forward to test it to see if it is way better than original PM Grind that I had when it came out and my present SM6 60 with Recoil 95. If so then it will be in my bag for 2019.
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  • pinestreetgolfpinestreetgolf  3540WRX Points: 340Handicap: 4Members Posts: 3,540 Titanium Tees
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    They're the same wedge.
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  • cgasuckscgasucks  2460WRX Points: 364Members Posts: 2,460 Platinum Tees
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    The HI-Toe which was inspired by the PM Grind which was inspired by the Ping Eye 2 Lob wedge that Mickelson played for a long time.
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  • MinaretsMinarets Nashville, TN 4318WRX Points: 250Members Posts: 4,318 Titanium Tees
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    anymore thoughts on these two?
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  • MinaretsMinarets Nashville, TN 4318WRX Points: 250Members Posts: 4,318 Titanium Tees
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    Yes I wonder how good these are on full shots. Afraid of possible digging.  
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  • DFS PFDDFS PFD  1472WRX Points: 668Handicap: 1.8Members Posts: 1,472 Platinum Tees
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    My personal experience, Hi-Toe is fantastic around the greens and on full shots. The PM grind is superb around the green and terrible on full shots for me because of the massive amount of offset. YMMV
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  • IvyguyIvyguy  1612WRX Points: 264Members Posts: 1,612 Platinum Tees
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    I am sooooo torn.  I really like the versatility of the pm/hi toe wedges.  I play 710mb and would love to go 52 or 54 then 60 with one of these two brands.

    I would like to strip them (I had a 64 in the PM, very glary with the large face), so that would be a piece to the equation. It seems like the tm would be easier to tarnish or strip.


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  • RichieHuntRichieHunt  3985WRX Points: 616Members Posts: 3,985 Titanium Tees
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    I tried both.  Hi Toe was a bit more 'clunky' for me.  But, it spins MUCH more than the PM grind.  Not even close.  In the end, I was just better off sticking with my Edel Digger grind.  That's where they got the idea for those grinds anyway.



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  • mizunoMX25mizunoMX25  286WRX Points: 97Members Posts: 286 Greens
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    I had the Hi-Toe in 58 for a while and hated it. I tried the PM Grind 2.0 yesterday in 54 and it was awesome. The difference between it and the original is full shots are SO much better. And the Hi-Toe felt really low bounce and was tough off of tight lies. I love my Vokey 58D but I'm probably gonna get my 52F bent to 50 and add a PM Grind 2.0 in 54.
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    Leading edge is the key difference.
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  • third-times-a-charmthird-times-a-charm  2619WRX Points: 953Members Posts: 2,619 Titanium Tees
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    PM grind/hi toe wedges look and feel like youre playing golf with a waffle iron attached to a stick.

    Yuck.
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  • MinaretsMinarets Nashville, TN 4318WRX Points: 250Members Posts: 4,318 Titanium Tees
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    I want a 54° and 58°. Would bend the 54° to a 53°. I just worry if the bounce is good and of the leading edge doesn’t just dig too much for me.

    playing a 54°D SM7 and a 58°M grind right now. 
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  • BiggErnBiggErn  2740WRX Points: 628Members Posts: 2,740 Titanium Tees
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    Minarets said:
    Yes I wonder how good these are on full shots. Afraid of possible digging.  
    Like any wedge they’re both fine for full shots. You can chunk it or blade or hit it perfectly solid.
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  • craz-ecraz-e  4303WRX Points: 402Handicap: 3Members Posts: 4,303 Titanium Tees
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    Currently have the hi toe in 64* but will test the PM grind when available near me. The hi toe hasn’t wowed me yet so that’s why I am looking at other options 
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  • ChipNRunChipNRun  2071WRX Points: 455Members Posts: 2,071 Platinum Tees
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    The MD PM grind has a U-grind sole - it is concave, curving inward. This helps keep the wedge from digging too much.

    As cgasucks notes, the idea is based upon on the Ping Eye2 wedges which developed a hollowed out sole depression after heavy use. Players replacing these wedges asked for a custom sole grind which matched the depression from heavy usage. This appears in the current Ping ES models. 

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  • bogeyprobogeypro The Original Bogeypro AL 3447WRX Points: 372Handicap: +1ClubWRX Posts: 3,447 ClubWRX
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    I love the high toe.  Hated the pm.  The high toe doesn’t have the offset and rounder curved leading edge.  This is why the high toe is better on full shots and square face shots, for me.   The atv grind is better for me than the u concave grind on the pm.  Love the copper like finish on the high toe.  Mine has begun to tarnish and wear, which looks awesome.  

    They aren’t the same wedge.   If someone says that, they haven’t hit both.    
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  • BiggErnBiggErn  2740WRX Points: 628Members Posts: 2,740 Titanium Tees
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    bogeypro said:
    I love the high toe.  Hated the pm.  The high toe doesn’t have the offset and rounder curved leading edge.  This is why the high toe is better on full shots and square face shots, for me.   The atv grind is better for me than the u concave grind on the pm.  Love the copper like finish on the high toe.  Mine has begun to tarnish and wear, which looks awesome.  

    They aren’t the same wedge.   If someone says that, they haven’t hit both.    

    I’ve had both although not the same lofts. The PM hits full shots and every other shot just fine for me. The Hi-Toe did too it just looked out of place so I sold it and will wait until they do a chrome satin finish. 
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  • anthanth From the Land Down Under  2784WRX Points: 200Handicap: 4Members Posts: 2,784 Titanium Tees
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    I went with the Hi Toe because it looks better to my eye from address.  Doesn’t look as awkward to me but I understand that is completely subjective.  I think it works well for all shots - full, sand, down to finesse chips around the green.  ATV sole works really nicely except out of the tightest of lies, but I’ve never used a wedge that worked well in those conditions (clearly a technique/talent issue, not the clubs fault)
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  • dre72dre72  530WRX Points: 102Handicap: +2.7Members Posts: 530 Golden Tee
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    I have had Hi-toe wedges as well as the 2019 PM grind. I much prefer the new Pm grind over the HT because of the sole configuration. My HT had the ATV grind and there just wasn't enough bounce for me. The PM grind might be is the ugliest wedge ever created, but it works. I can lay it wide open and hit super flops or play it back in my stance and hit low skippers. The one place that the HT really outperformed the PM grind is distance control out of a bunker. I've struggled hitting the PM grind the distance I want out of bunkers.

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  • ago33ago33  2199WRX Points: 146Members Posts: 2,199 Platinum Tees
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    This is going to sound weird. I played the Pm grind, have a tour issue square leading edge 60 taylormade but for me, the Mack daddy forged (blue dots) has the best of everything. Full shots all the way down to standard pitches. I’ll take some comparison pics tonight.

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  • fkim011fkim011 Official Club Whore Irvine, California 800WRX Points: 130Members Posts: 800 Golden Tee
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    The hosel design for this year and last year on the PM grind is completely different. I had both the HT and the PM for at least half season each. The PM is in the bag. It was a better club for me all the around especially of chipping from all different lies.

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  • QuigleyDUQuigleyDU  9600WRX Points: 3,073Handicap: 8Members Posts: 9,600 Titanium Tees
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    i think the difference comes down to which one you like to look at the most. They are slightly different in their appearance. i think they both play really well.

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  • pinestreetgolfpinestreetgolf  3540WRX Points: 340Handicap: 4Members Posts: 3,540 Titanium Tees
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    As I said earlier, they are literally the same wedge except for aesthetics. Good post by QuigleyDJ.

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    I'm not a big fan of the looks of either one, but I dislike the finish on the Hi-Toe the most. I think TM would sell more if they offered it in other finishes. I'm not sure I saw performance benefits from either one of them over the Vokeys I normally play.

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  • MinaretsMinarets Nashville, TN 4318WRX Points: 250Members Posts: 4,318 Titanium Tees
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    It always so hard to try out wedges. Can’t really hit them in the sim at a hitting bay. Even if you can, no clue how they will play in the real world.

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  • cmatthews77cmatthews77 AL 885WRX Points: 106Handicap: 1.5Members Posts: 885 Golden Tee
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    I don't have any experience with the high toe but I had the original PM grind and recently put the new 2019 version in the bag. I was skeptical if they could make significant improvements but I would say they definitely have. Here's my thoughts:

    1. The changes they made with the additional grinding allows the clubs leading edge to sit right into the ground rather than looking "raised" despite it having 2 more degrees of bounce. This is excellent and makes it even easier on tight lies.
    2. Just like the original it's so easy to play shots with the face open that I feel I don't need any more loft than the 58. I can't necessarily compare spin/grooves because I had played the original for 2+ years but the new one spins plenty!
    3. The club definitely "appears" more offset because of how they put a little bend in the shaft as it meets the hosel. If you look closely at the alignment it's not really that much offset. Although I'm like many people and don't like offset typically- it's really helpful in this club. The one challenge you hear with this club is full shots. It's quite easy to hit full shots with it BUT I do sometimes struggle to control the amount of dynamic loft I present at impact because of the design. So for me the "offset look" is helpful for getting the hands more forward/ presenting some shaft lean when hitting fuller shots with this club so that I present the proper dynamic loft. Again that's why this club is so unique- this one wedge at 58 degrees I feel like it I can use as a 60+ degree lob for flops or stated loft.
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    On -, @cmatthews77 said:

    I don't have any experience with the high toe but I had the original PM grind and recently put the new 2019 version in the bag. I was skeptical if they could make significant improvements but I would say they definitely have. Here's my thoughts:
    1. The changes they made with the additional grinding allows the clubs leading edge to sit right into the ground rather than looking "raised" despite it having 2 more degrees of bounce. This is excellent and makes it even easier on tight lies.
    2. Just like the original it's so easy to play shots with the face open that I feel I don't need any more loft than the 58. I can't necessarily compare spin/grooves because I had played the original for 2+ years but the new one spins plenty!
    3. The club definitely "appears" more offset because of how they put a little bend in the shaft as it meets the hosel. If you look closely at the alignment it's not really that much offset. Although I'm like many people and don't like offset typically- it's really helpful in this club. The one challenge you hear with this club is full shots. It's quite easy to hit full shots with it BUT I do sometimes struggle to control the amount of dynamic loft I present at impact because of the design. So for me the "offset look" is helpful for getting the hands more forward/ presenting some shaft lean when hitting fuller shots with this club so that I present the proper dynamic loft. Again that's why this club is so unique- this one wedge at 58 degrees I feel like it I can use as a 60+ degree lob for flops or stated loft.
    1. The PM grind has its bounce behind the leading edge. It is impossible for the new PM to sit tighter than the old. Measure it. They're both 0.0* - completely flush. Most wedges the bounce is between the raised leading edge and the sole. That isn't how the PM works. The edge is in the exact same spot (right on the ground).
    2. Opening the face adds loft. When you open the face, its not 58* any more. Its probably more like 68*.
    3. It has more offset. You may like that or not (most don't) but it has about twice the offset of the first model. Its so the hosel doesn't catch when you open it.
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    I would like to hear about their full shot.
    When I had old pm, it was hard to hit full shots somehow.

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    1) Well maybe not "measured" but it appeared that way to me. I actually put them side-by-side and there wasn't as much difference as I thought but it still looks different. Maybe it's the curve or maybe its the position and length of the bottom groove but the newer one to me just appears more "snug" to the ground.

    2) Yes, I'm VERY aware opening the face adds loft. That was my point that this club is so easy to play with the face open that I just don't see the need for me personally playing a wedge with more than 58 loft because I"m effectively playing it with way more loft most of the time anyways.

    3) Not disputing it didn't have more offset. I'm saying it "appears" like a lot more offset than is actually there because of the shaft bend into the hosel.


    1. The PM grind has its bounce behind the leading edge. It is impossible for the new PM to sit tighter than the old. Measure it. They're both 0.0* - completely flush. Most wedges the bounce is between the raised leading edge and the sole. That isn't how the PM works. The edge is in the exact same spot (right on the ground).
    2. Opening the face adds loft. When you open the face, its not 58* any more. Its probably more like 68*.
    3. It has more offset. You may like that or not (most don't) but it has about twice the offset of the first model. Its so the hosel doesn't catch when you open it.
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