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Hello, This will be our 6th year boys Phoenix trip in 2019.



We are going the first week of April Staying in the Scottdale Area most likely.



Looking for some new courses to play.



Here is what we have played in the past:

Visti Verde

Longbow

Sundunes

Legends Trail

Sunridge Canyon

Eagle Mountain

Lookout Mountain

TPC Stadium

TPC Champions

Dinosaur

Talking Stick

Raven at Verrado

Legends Trail

Club West

Quintero

Trilogy

Troon North Monument

Troon North Pinnacle

Sidewinder

Stone Creek

We-Ko-PA

ASU Karsten



Thanks in advance for you suggestions.
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  • puttnforthe8puttnforthe8 Members Posts: 2,794 ✭✭
    Easy. New course at Verrado(Victory); Wickenburg Ranch, Vistancia, Estrella, Papago, Legacy, Raven South Mountain, Los Caballeros, Boulders



    Possible others: Aguila, Wigwam, Wildfire
  • locloc Members Posts: 230 ✭✭
    puttnforthe8, thanks so much..i will check them out
  • Skaffa77Skaffa77 No place like the Sand Hills! ClubWRX Posts: 6,852 ClubWRX
    Was going to mention Wigwam or AK-Chin Southern Dunes
  • locloc Members Posts: 230 ✭✭
    edited Jan 8, 2019 5:08pm #5
    Saw somewhere Club 500? Any good



    Prefer non neighborhood courses or less house lined courses.
  • Young TommyYoung Tommy Members Posts: 15
    Las Sendas, Dove Valley Ranch
  • BirdieRollBirdieRoll Members Posts: 361 ✭✭
    If you're staying in Scottsdale, Camelback Ambiente and Padre should be on the short list.
  • RohlioRohlio Members Posts: 2,324 ✭✭
    Southern Dunes must be on your list.
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  • DrSchteeveDrSchteeve Members Posts: 3,390 ✭✭
    loc wrote:


    Hello, This will be our 6th year boys Phoenix trip in 2019.



    We are going the first week of April Staying in the Scottdale Area most likely.



    Looking for some new courses to play.



    Here is what we have played in the past:

    Visti Verde

    Longbow

    Sundunes

    Legends Trail

    Sunridge Canyon

    Eagle Mountain

    Lookout Mountain

    TPC Stadium

    TPC Champions

    Dinosaur

    Talking Stick

    Raven at Verrado

    Legends Trail

    Club West

    Quintero

    Trilogy

    Troon North Monument

    Troon North Pinnacle

    Sidewinder

    Stone Creek

    We-Ko-PA

    ASU Karsten



    Thanks in advance for you suggestions.




    You have played more courses than many of us who live here! We should be asking you for your comments.



    You could let us know something more about what you are looking for since, again, you have plenty of information based on your past experience...
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  • ShilgyShilgy Members Posts: 11,387 ✭✭
    edited Jan 8, 2019 10:36pm #11


    Easy. New course at Verrado(Victory); Wickenburg Ranch, Vistancia, Estrella, Papago, Legacy, Raven South Mountain, Los Caballeros, Boulders



    Possible others: Aguila, Wigwam, Wildfire
    Plus 1 to this. In April a great day could be had playing 36 at Los Cab and Wickenburg Ranch. Problem with that is you'd miss Little Wick
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  • teejaywhyteejaywhy Official GolfWRX Curmudgeon Members Posts: 7,167 ✭✭
    loc wrote:


    Hello, This will be our 6th year boys Phoenix trip in 2019.



    We are going the first week of April Staying in the Scottdale Area most likely.



    Looking for some new courses to play.



    Here is what we have played in the past:

    Visti Verde

    Longbow

    Sundunes

    Legends Trail

    Sunridge Canyon

    Eagle Mountain

    Lookout Mountain

    TPC Stadium

    TPC Champions

    Dinosaur

    Talking Stick

    Raven at Verrado

    Legends Trail

    Club West

    Quintero

    Trilogy

    Troon North Monument

    Troon North Pinnacle

    Sidewinder

    Stone Creek

    We-Ko-PA

    ASU Karsten



    Thanks in advance for you suggestions.




    Notes about what you liked/didn't like can help with recommendations.
  • kiddockiddoc Members Posts: 608 ✭✭
    fsutanker wrote:
    Grayhawk?




    Glaring omission for sure.

    36 holes

    NCAA coming here.



    Not a price deal as TROON North is on the list.



    We Ko Pa a must as well



    36 holes
  • locloc Members Posts: 230 ✭✭
    teejaywhy wrote:

    loc wrote:


    Hello, This will be our 6th year boys Phoenix trip in 2019.



    We are going the first week of April Staying in the Scottdale Area most likely.



    Looking for some new courses to play.



    Here is what we have played in the past:

    Visti Verde

    Longbow

    Sundunes

    Legends Trail

    Sunridge Canyon

    Eagle Mountain

    Lookout Mountain

    TPC Stadium

    TPC Champions

    Dinosaur

    Talking Stick

    Raven at Verrado

    Legends Trail

    Club West

    Quintero

    Trilogy

    Troon North Monument

    Troon North Pinnacle

    Sidewinder

    Stone Creek

    We-Ko-PA

    ASU Karsten



    Thanks in advance for you suggestions.




    Notes about what you liked/didn't like can help with recommendations.




    home town is Pittsburgh PA, we play very much elevation changes and tree lined courses, thus when we come to AZ we look for elevation changes but mountain/desert courses. Quintero by far was the fav......Sunridge Canyon is a fav....as in Dinosaur and Sidewinder... Raven at Verado was liked by some but not by others....TPC played twice...overrated in my eyes for the price but had to do it just because....We also liked the Troons pinnacle and monument.....but i think the troons are liked because we like the local restaurant for after golf at Pinnacle Grille off Jomax road....
  • SilverBulletsSilverBullets BMW Members Posts: 5,884 ✭✭
    I can't add anything new to what the first couple posters put. Wickenburg Ranch is a HIKE from North Scottsdale but it's my favorite course out here. To me, it's everything Quintero isn't that you want it to be. It's pretty, the conditioning is outstanding, it's never busy, and the things it provides which Quintero doesn't... For starters, it has a clubhouse and a really solid restaurant. More importantly, it has a really good layout. It's a fun golf course to play. The lil' wick par 3 course is a nice touch if you have the time to kill.



    Grayhawk Raptor and Southern Dunes are glaring omissions from your list. Those are kind of on the must play list once you get past Troon and Wekopa. The new Victory course at Verrado is also very solid and worth playing (I like it more than the original Verrado course). Camelback Ambiente is a good course, although, I'm not as fascinated with it as others are on this forum. It's solid but it's nothing more than solid in my book.
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  • puttnforthe8puttnforthe8 Members Posts: 2,794 ✭✭
    I was assuming the "[background=rgb(247, 247, 247)]Sundunes" was just a typo for Southern Dunes? [/background] image/dntknw.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':dntknw:' />
  • jclevejcleve Members Posts: 128 ✭✭
    Southern dunes is house free and a great layout
  • Dr. HackDr. Hack Members Posts: 51 ✭✭
    edited Jan 11, 2019 1:19pm #18
    This is the great thing about Scottsdale. You still have more places to check out!



    -Ill second Southern Dunes as a must-play.



    -Camelback Ambiente isn't a bad option for someone looking for something new. Not a "scottsdale style" desert course so I don't usually recommend to visitors but it seems to get hype among the locals. It's an out-and-back links-style design.



    -Mountain Shadows is a must-play short course in my opinion. Iconic location at the base of Camelback on one of the most exclusive pieces of real estate in the valley. I think it must be one of the oldest Scottsdale courses too, dating back to the swanky 60's times, and restored more recently. If you've played La Quinta Mountain Course it's like a mini version of that. Not many amazing holes but the venue is really fun. And it can be played in 2 hours and is only 10 minutes from old town, so very easy to squeeze in.



    -The Faldo course at Wildfire might be a good option. The Palmer course is good but not super memorable. These rival Grayhawk, I think, although you've been here enough times that you will probably need to play Grayhawk just to say you've played it....Either Talon or Raptor. Those are the two big omissions from your list in that immediate area. The Grayhawk courses are excellent and have great routing and a few very memorable holes, but for some reason playing up there I always feel like I'm in a valley at the top of a hill. I honestly prefer the views at Talking Stick or even McCormick but it's a personal thing.



    -Wickenburg is another glaring omission if you're willing to drive out there.



    -If you want cheaper places of great quality and classic desert feel, check out Aguila, Trilogy, Legacy, and Papago.



    -I would probably play We-Ko-Pa Saguaro every single time I visited, If I was from out of town. Best public course in the state, and is probably out-done by only a couple private courses in my opinion.



    Lastly, The Phoenician just finished the course re-design and I've been curious to check it out. Probably overpriced but if anyone can weigh in, please do so.
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  • az2auaz2au Members Posts: 1,795 ✭✭
    Dr. Hack wrote:


    Ill second Southern Dunes as a must-play.



    Camelback Ambiente isn't a bad option for someone looking for something new. Not a "scottsdale style" desert course so I don't usually recommend to visitors but it seems to get hype among the locals.



    Mountain Shadows is a must-play short course in my opinion. Iconic location at the base of Camelback on one of the most exclusive pieces of real estate in the valley. I think it must be one of the oldest Scottsdale courses too, dating back to the swanky 60's times, and restored more recently. If you've played La Quinta Mountain Course it's like a mini version of that. Not many amazing holes but the venue is really fun. And it can be played in 2 hours and is only 10 minutes from old town, so very easy to squeeze in.



    The Faldo course at Wildfire might be a good option. I prefer that to Grayhawk. The Palmer course is ok but not super memorable. Those are the two big omissions from your list in that immediate area. For some reason playing up there I always feel like I'm in a valley at the top of a hill. I honestly prefer the views at Talking Stick or even McCormick but it's a personal thing.



    Wickenburg is another glaring omission if you're willing to drive out there.



    If you want cheaper places of great quality and classic desert feel, check out Aguila, Trilogy, and Papago.



    Lastly, The Phoenician just finished the course re-design and I've been curious to check it out. Probably overpriced but if anyone can weigh in, please do so.


    Per the Southwest forum conditions thread, Mountain Shadows lost their greens during overseed. The Phoenician is also still terrible.
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  • ChancemanChanceman Members Posts: 553 ✭✭
    Assuming you only played one of the Talking Stick and WeKoPa courses, you didnt specify, then you can play the other ones, say WKP Cholla and TS Pipaash, plus Wickenburg Ranch, Ak Chin Southern Dunes, the two Boulders courses North/South, the two Grayhawk Raptor/Talon, and I would suggest a possible day trip up to Seven Canyons in Sedona. That makes 9 courses to choose from. Plus Mountain Shadows par 3 course for dessert.
  • NDSwimNDSwim Members Posts: 100 ✭✭
    Was just out at Mountain Shadows and the greens are horrible. I would

    not recommend.
  • Kale_mKale_m Members Posts: 1,777 ✭✭
    We are playing the south course at talking stick when we are there for the WMO



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  • puttnforthe8puttnforthe8 Members Posts: 2,794 ✭✭
    Kale_m wrote:


    We are playing the south course at talking stick when we are there for the WMO



    Can't wait




    , play the North Course. South is boring, contrived and not as good overall.
  • JHRJHR Charter Members Posts: 4,347 ✭✭
    loc wrote:


    Hello, This will be our 6th year boys Phoenix trip in 2019.



    We are going the first week of April Staying in the Scottdale Area most likely.



    Looking for some new courses to play.



    Here is what we have played in the past:

    Visti Verde

    Longbow

    Sundunes

    Legends Trail

    Sunridge Canyon

    Eagle Mountain

    Lookout Mountain

    TPC Stadium

    TPC Champions

    Dinosaur

    Talking Stick

    Raven at Verrado

    Legends Trail

    Club West

    Quintero

    Trilogy

    Troon North Monument

    Troon North Pinnacle

    Sidewinder

    Stone Creek

    We-Ko-PA

    ASU Karsten



    Thanks in advance for you suggestions.




    Great list! I have played all of these . Arizona is my favorite golf destination. I have a few more to add to list. There is so much golf there and so many great courses.



    Grey Hawk

    Kierland

    Golf Club of Estrella

    Poston Butte

    Las Sendas

    Legacy

    Ocotillo

    Superstition Springs

    Whirlwind - Devils Claw

    Wildfire- Palmer and Faldo

    Foothills

    Dove Valley
  • nocarts83nocarts83 Member Members Posts: 142 ✭✭
    edited Jan 15, 2019 9:38am #27
    If Quintero is your favorite, you may have wildly different views of courses (I'd go 1. Wekopa Saguaro 2. TN Pinnacle 3. Wekopa Chola....Quintero close to last), but....



    I'm really a fan of Apache Stronghold. Yes, I am well aware that it is a far drive from Scottsdale and, yes, I'm well aware it's terrible conditioned compared to everything mentioned here. Yes, there are many ground-under-repairs in the middle of greens. Yes, I was cleaning dust out of every crevice of my bag and body for weeks.



    But otherwise, it's hard to ask for more. You get elevation and undulation you're asking for and some of the most unique and interesting holes I've ever played. Some favorites:

    -A par 4 where you have to choose between a blind tee shot and a blind approach, or play it as a par 5. Taking 1 of the shots blind allows to play the other straight on.

    -Par 3 with what I'd call a 90 degree rotated Biarritz green such that the valley is parallel to the line of play rather than perpendicular. Weak players are thrilled to hit the big green, but better players ticked about 3 putting through the valley.

    -Drivable par 4 with a hidden slope and pit to swallow reckless tee balls.



    If you can overlook the conditioning and enjoy it for what it is, it's a blast. I paid a combined $25 for the round and a polo, so you can balance out your round at the TPC.
  • mci711mci711 ChicagoMembers Posts: 1,019 ✭✭
    nocarts83 wrote:


    If Quintero is your favorite, you may have wildly different views of courses (I'd go 1. Wekopa Saguaro 2. TN Pinnacle 3. Wekopa Chola....Quintero close to last), but....



    I'm really a fan of Apache Stronghold. Yes, I am well aware that it is a far drive from Scottsdale and, yes, I'm well aware it's terrible conditioned compared to everything mentioned here. Yes, there are many ground-under-repairs in the middle of greens. Yes, I was cleaning dust out of every crevice of my bag and body for weeks.



    But otherwise, it's hard to ask for more. You get elevation and undulation you're asking for and some of the most unique and interesting holes I've ever played. Some favorites:

    -A par 4 where you have to choose between a blind tee shot and a blind approach, or play it as a par 5. Taking 1 of the shots blind allows to play the other straight on.

    -Par 3 with what I'd call a 90 degree rotated Biarritz green such that the valley is parallel to the line of play rather than perpendicular. Weak players are thrilled to hit the big green, but better players ticked about 3 putting through the valley.

    -Drivable par 4 with a hidden slope and pit to swallow reckless tee balls.



    If you can overlook the conditioning and enjoy it for what it is, it's a blast. I paid a combined $25 for the round and a polo, so you can balance out your round at the TPC.




    If there was ever a way to get me to not play a course, you just did it.
  • nocarts83nocarts83 Member Members Posts: 142 ✭✭
    mci711 wrote:

    nocarts83 wrote:


    If Quintero is your favorite, you may have wildly different views of courses (I'd go 1. Wekopa Saguaro 2. TN Pinnacle 3. Wekopa Chola....Quintero close to last), but....



    I'm really a fan of Apache Stronghold. Yes, I am well aware that it is a far drive from Scottsdale and, yes, I'm well aware it's terrible conditioned compared to everything mentioned here. Yes, there are many ground-under-repairs in the middle of greens. Yes, I was cleaning dust out of every crevice of my bag and body for weeks.



    But otherwise, it's hard to ask for more. You get elevation and undulation you're asking for and some of the most unique and interesting holes I've ever played. Some favorites:

    -A par 4 where you have to choose between a blind tee shot and a blind approach, or play it as a par 5. Taking 1 of the shots blind allows to play the other straight on.

    -Par 3 with what I'd call a 90 degree rotated Biarritz green such that the valley is parallel to the line of play rather than perpendicular. Weak players are thrilled to hit the big green, but better players ticked about 3 putting through the valley.

    -Drivable par 4 with a hidden slope and pit to swallow reckless tee balls.



    If you can overlook the conditioning and enjoy it for what it is, it's a blast. I paid a combined $25 for the round and a polo, so you can balance out your round at the TPC.




    If there was ever a way to get me to not play a course, you just did it.






    That's cool. You can play Quintero, I'll play Apache Stronghold, and everybody goes home happy. Isn't that what golf's about?
  • mci711mci711 ChicagoMembers Posts: 1,019 ✭✭
    nocarts83 wrote:

    mci711 wrote:

    nocarts83 wrote:


    If Quintero is your favorite, you may have wildly different views of courses (I'd go 1. Wekopa Saguaro 2. TN Pinnacle 3. Wekopa Chola....Quintero close to last), but....



    I'm really a fan of Apache Stronghold. Yes, I am well aware that it is a far drive from Scottsdale and, yes, I'm well aware it's terrible conditioned compared to everything mentioned here. Yes, there are many ground-under-repairs in the middle of greens. Yes, I was cleaning dust out of every crevice of my bag and body for weeks.



    But otherwise, it's hard to ask for more. You get elevation and undulation you're asking for and some of the most unique and interesting holes I've ever played. Some favorites:

    -A par 4 where you have to choose between a blind tee shot and a blind approach, or play it as a par 5. Taking 1 of the shots blind allows to play the other straight on.

    -Par 3 with what I'd call a 90 degree rotated Biarritz green such that the valley is parallel to the line of play rather than perpendicular. Weak players are thrilled to hit the big green, but better players ticked about 3 putting through the valley.

    -Drivable par 4 with a hidden slope and pit to swallow reckless tee balls.



    If you can overlook the conditioning and enjoy it for what it is, it's a blast. I paid a combined $25 for the round and a polo, so you can balance out your round at the TPC.




    If there was ever a way to get me to not play a course, you just did it.






    That's cool. You can play Quintero, I'll play Apache Stronghold, and everybody goes home happy. Isn't that what golf's about?




    Of course. Sorry didn't mean to come off confrontational, just making a joke! Everyone likes different courses and different things.
  • nocarts83nocarts83 Member Members Posts: 142 ✭✭
    edited Jan 17, 2019 1:44pm #31
    mci711 wrote:

    nocarts83 wrote:

    mci711 wrote:

    nocarts83 wrote:


    If Quintero is your favorite, you may have wildly different views of courses (I'd go 1. Wekopa Saguaro 2. TN Pinnacle 3. Wekopa Chola....Quintero close to last), but....



    I'm really a fan of Apache Stronghold. Yes, I am well aware that it is a far drive from Scottsdale and, yes, I'm well aware it's terrible conditioned compared to everything mentioned here. Yes, there are many ground-under-repairs in the middle of greens. Yes, I was cleaning dust out of every crevice of my bag and body for weeks.



    But otherwise, it's hard to ask for more. You get elevation and undulation you're asking for and some of the most unique and interesting holes I've ever played. Some favorites:

    -A par 4 where you have to choose between a blind tee shot and a blind approach, or play it as a par 5. Taking 1 of the shots blind allows to play the other straight on.

    -Par 3 with what I'd call a 90 degree rotated Biarritz green such that the valley is parallel to the line of play rather than perpendicular. Weak players are thrilled to hit the big green, but better players ticked about 3 putting through the valley.

    -Drivable par 4 with a hidden slope and pit to swallow reckless tee balls.



    If you can overlook the conditioning and enjoy it for what it is, it's a blast. I paid a combined $25 for the round and a polo, so you can balance out your round at the TPC.




    If there was ever a way to get me to not play a course, you just did it.






    That's cool. You can play Quintero, I'll play Apache Stronghold, and everybody goes home happy. Isn't that what golf's about?




    Of course. Sorry didn't mean to come off confrontational, just making a joke! Everyone likes different courses and different things.




    Absolutely, I didn't take it that way. That's also why I was super specific about the issues Apache Stronghold has. If I just said "I like Wekopa, Troon North, and Apache Stronghold!", I guarantee someone would go there and be disgusted. It's not for everybody, just like Quintero is not for me.
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