Rory Mcilroy has become a bad pressure player (There, we've said it)

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  • grm24grm24 Western PAMembers Posts: 3,464 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭
    MMB1500 wrote:


    McIlroy is now 0/7 for wins since 2016 when starting the last round in the final group.
    It's actually wore than that. From Golfweek -



    But he’s now 0-for-9 since the start of the 2018 season when he’s started the final round in the final group.



    https://golfweek.com/2019/03/10/golf-commentary-rory-mcilroy-dimeglio-arnold-palmer-invitational/
  • glmglm Members Posts: 227 ✭✭✭
    ditch the putter and the caddie. JMO
  • GautamaGautama Members Posts: 789 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I'm going to go against the grain and say he finds his way out of this in due time. I do think it's a matter of priorities vs ability, and unlike some who we've seen soar and crash he hasn't seemed to have "lost it," he just doesn't seem to be as mentally engaged. So, if he enters a phase of of life where he decides he's not happy with being almost great, I think turning it around is very possible. He's only 29, plenty of time.



    Now as for why I think this, I have no real data or facts. I just like the kid so it's the story I'm sticking to, lol.
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    Gautama wrote:


    I'm going to go against the grain and say he finds his way out of this in due time. I do think it's a matter of priorities vs ability, and unlike some who we've seen soar and crash he hasn't seemed to have "lost it," he just doesn't seem to be as mentally engaged. So, if he enters a phase of of life where he decides he's not happy with being almost great, I think turning it around is very possible. He's only 29, plenty of time.



    Now as for why I think this, I have no real data or facts. I just like the kid so it's the story I'm sticking to, lol.






  • Bingo1976Bingo1976 Members Posts: 2,581 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭
    I think he needs a new caddy and a psychologist. He is probably the most gifted golfer of the 20's crowd, but something has gone fuzzy between his ears. I think when he remembers how to get it done, he will go on a Major tear.
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  • DeeBee30DeeBee30 Chicago areaMembers Posts: 423 ✭✭✭✭
    Professional sports are littered with players that (1) have buckets of talent OR (2) have a blazing desire (dare I say need) to win OR (3) have the mental/emotional fortitude to consistently dominate. The reality is that there are few players that have (1) AND (2) AND (3).
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    DeeBee30 wrote:


    Professional sports are littered with players that (1) have buckets of talent OR (2) have a blazing desire (dare I say need) to win OR (3) have the mental/emotional fortitude to consistently dominate. The reality is that there are few players that have (1) AND (2) AND (3).




    I agree, to get to the PGA Tour you have to have talent and desire to win, mental / emotional strength seems to be what separates the best from the others. We've seen guys like Rory, Spieth, Day and even Phil shine but then go for long periods of time between wins. The mental pressure must be tremendous trying to play 4 rounds of near or better than perfect golf.
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  • agolf1agolf1 Members Posts: 1,495 ✭✭✭✭✭✭
    Rory will be glad to know that a bunch of internet pundits, most of which have a small fraction of his golfing ability and net worth, know what Rory needs and have known it for some time now.



    Heck, most people here probably aren't even as successful in their own profession as Rory is in his (relatively speaking), but they are experts in evaluating Rory.
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    agolf1 wrote:


    Rory will be glad to know that a bunch of internet pundits, most of which have a small fraction of his golfing ability and net worth, know what Rory needs and have known it for some time now.



    Heck, most people here probably aren't even as successful in their own profession as Rory is in his (relatively speaking), but they are experts in evaluating Rory.




    You are 100% right, but this is the age of opinion and internet bable.



    He has lost his mojo when it comes to finishing tournaments off. I hope he works it out as I’m a massive fan.
  • OldTomMorrisOldTomMorris Edinburgh, ScotlandMembers Posts: 2,919 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭
    edited Mar 11, 2019 4:51am #101
    grm24 wrote:


    But he’s now 0-for-9 since the start of the 2018 season when he’s started the final round in the final group.




    I'm sure Rory isn't happy with that but this stat doesn't reveal very much as its too vague. For example, how many times was he within 2 shots etc.?



    The way Rory is playing I expect this thread to become redundant very soon, hopefully in April with a huge exclamation point.
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    grm24 wrote:


    But he’s now 0-for-9 since the start of the 2018 season when he’s started the final round in the final group.




    I'm sure Rory isn't happy with that but this stat doesn't reveal very much as its too vague. For example, how many times was he within 2 shots etc.?



    The way Rory is playing I expect this thread to become redundant very soon, hopefully in April with a huge exclamation point.




    Yeah that's pretty much like the GIR stat. Doesn't tell the whole story. But either way fact is he hasn't won as much as he should. Prodigious length, scores well, and then falters. Maybe he needs to play soccer to get in shape.
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    edited Mar 11, 2019 6:57am #103
    His body language and facial expressions radiate a lack of intensity and desire. Far different than it was 3-4 years ago.
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  • MountainGoatMountainGoat Mid-MarylandMembers Posts: 2,061 ✭✭✭✭✭✭
    agolf1 wrote:


    Rory will be glad to know that a bunch of internet pundits, most of which have a small fraction of his golfing ability and net worth, know what Rory needs and have known it for some time now.



    Heck, most people here probably aren't even as successful in their own profession as Rory is in his (relatively speaking), but they are experts in evaluating Rory.




    This just isn't true. If you're in charge of a project that's on the cusp of success, and you fail to finish successfully 9 times in a row, you'd be looking for another job. Frankly, it wouldn't take 9 failures. One or two and you'd be done.
  • MMB1500MMB1500 Members Posts: 6,395 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭
    agolf1 wrote:


    Rory will be glad to know that a bunch of internet pundits, most of which have a small fraction of his golfing ability and net worth, know what Rory needs and have known it for some time now.



    Heck, most people here probably aren't even as successful in their own profession as Rory is in his (relatively speaking), but they are experts in evaluating Rory.




    McIlroy is an entertainer and this is a forum specifically designed for people to give their opinions on golf. If you don't like it, don't read them.



    In any case, most of the opinions on here come from people wanting him to succeed and are wholly frustrated with his lack of ability to close out tournaments, me included. Just because we don't play professional golf it doesn't mean those opinions are invalid.
  • agolf1agolf1 Members Posts: 1,495 ✭✭✭✭✭✭

    agolf1 wrote:


    Rory will be glad to know that a bunch of internet pundits, most of which have a small fraction of his golfing ability and net worth, know what Rory needs and have known it for some time now.



    Heck, most people here probably aren't even as successful in their own profession as Rory is in his (relatively speaking), but they are experts in evaluating Rory.




    This just isn't true. If you're in charge of a project that's on the cusp of success, and you fail to finish successfully 9 times in a row, you'd be looking for another job. Frankly, it wouldn't take 9 failures. One or two and you'd be done.


    He's the 6th best in the world at what he does. In any industry/profession, there are currently only 5 people that rank higher in their profession than Rory. Rory has also been #1 / the best.



    By your logic, any pro athlete that fails to win it all is crap. Jim Kelly, John Elway (early in his career), Mickelson until 2004?



    Repeat - most people are not the 1st - 5th best person in the world at their profession. Statistically, that's a fact.
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  • agolf1agolf1 Members Posts: 1,495 ✭✭✭✭✭✭
    MMB1500 wrote:

    agolf1 wrote:


    Rory will be glad to know that a bunch of internet pundits, most of which have a small fraction of his golfing ability and net worth, know what Rory needs and have known it for some time now.



    Heck, most people here probably aren't even as successful in their own profession as Rory is in his (relatively speaking), but they are experts in evaluating Rory.




    McIlroy is an entertainer and this is a forum specifically designed for people to give their opinions on golf. If you don't like it, don't read them.



    In any case, most of the opinions on here come from people wanting him to succeed and are wholly frustrated with his lack of ability to close out tournaments, me included. Just because we don't play professional golf it doesn't mean those opinions are invalid.


    Fair enough. But let's see all of the "experts" make predictions about the future. Most of them will be wrong.



    All of the Rory this, Rory that is like reporting yesterday's weather. It was sunny. It rained. Etc, Etc.



    Many of the same people probably said Rory was great, Rory was clutch, Rory is the next Tiger, etc in 2014. Then they said the same for Spieth. And they will latch on to someone else down the road.



    We now know how great Tom Brady is. He was very very very very good in 2013. But I don't think many would have predicted at that point he would win 3 more Super Bowls. But now everyone can report that he usually gets it done late in the 4th quarter of important games...
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  • freeze16172002freeze16172002 Members Posts: 163 ✭✭✭
    Rory doesnt have the short game and putter.
  • MattyO1984MattyO1984 Members Posts: 5,264 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭
    agolf1 wrote:

    MMB1500 wrote:

    agolf1 wrote:


    Rory will be glad to know that a bunch of internet pundits, most of which have a small fraction of his golfing ability and net worth, know what Rory needs and have known it for some time now.



    Heck, most people here probably aren't even as successful in their own profession as Rory is in his (relatively speaking), but they are experts in evaluating Rory.




    McIlroy is an entertainer and this is a forum specifically designed for people to give their opinions on golf. If you don't like it, don't read them.



    In any case, most of the opinions on here come from people wanting him to succeed and are wholly frustrated with his lack of ability to close out tournaments, me included. Just because we don't play professional golf it doesn't mean those opinions are invalid.


    Fair enough. But let's see all of the "experts" make predictions about the future. Most of them will be wrong.






    Doesn't matter if you are an expert or not. I think most people would say that former tour professional golfers are experts but would you listen to their picks for winning majors? I certainly wouldn't. All anyone can offer when it comes to professional golf is an opinion, it may be an opinion based on fact, past experience, a hunch, anything but it's just an opinion. Totally pointless being critical of someone expressing one on an internet forum.
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  • bladehunterbladehunter Today was a good day... south carolinaMembers Posts: 27,583 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭
    hazebronso wrote:


    I firmly believe that Jordan Spieth's ascent to the top of the golfing world in 2015 is as much a factor as any in Rorys relatively weak play.

    Rory was tagged the new improved golfing prodigy following the Tiger era and he was going to lead this generation. But nobody saw a younger American prodigy in Jordan Spieth coming. Those majors Spieth won took something out of Rory on a mental level. I watched it happen.

    I actually believe Jordan is going through something similar. In sport nothing shatters the confidence quicker than being in the presence of somebody better than you. Jordans never feared Dustin, Rory, or Koepka. But somebody's return to golf might have shaken more than the TV ratings. Just saying




    Very good point.



    I’ve had this theory. That maybe there is only so much “ winning spirit “ in the world. Maybe it’s passed around. And maybe Jordan shared one with this returning player. Maybe both cannot use it at once ?
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  • agolf1agolf1 Members Posts: 1,495 ✭✭✭✭✭✭
    MattyO1984 wrote:


    Totally pointless being critical of someone expressing one on an internet forum.


    Good job being critical of my opinion then.
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  • MMB1500MMB1500 Members Posts: 6,395 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭
    agolf1 wrote:

    MattyO1984 wrote:


    Totally pointless being critical of someone expressing one on an internet forum.


    Good job being critical of my opinion then.




    You mean, like you were of other people's?



    I really don't get what point you're trying to make other then you don't like people expressing their views on Mcilroy's proven struggles with playing under pressure.



    Seems to me you're here to troll rather than have a sensible discussion about what his issues might be.
  • agolf1agolf1 Members Posts: 1,495 ✭✭✭✭✭✭
    MMB1500 wrote:

    agolf1 wrote:

    MattyO1984 wrote:


    Totally pointless being critical of someone expressing one on an internet forum.


    Good job being critical of my opinion then.




    You mean, like you were of other people's?



    I really don't get what point you're trying to make other then you don't like people expressing their views on Mcilroy's proven struggles with playing under pressure.



    Seems to me you're here to troll rather than have a sensible discussion about what his issues might be.


    I never said people can't be critical of any opinions, including mine. I just thought it was funny someone said don't be critical while being critical. I'm entirely fine with that post and yours.



    My point is Rory is better at his job than most people are at theirs. But everyone knows what Rory needs and how bad he is at golf.



    If all these people really knew how to maximize athletes' performance, why dont they become sports psychologists? They could make a lot of money fixing Rory, DJ, Rickie, LeBron, etc. Heck, even figure out what's wrong with Spieth right now.
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  • DatSliceDoeDatSliceDoe Camerons & Cobras One fairway overMembers Posts: 2,362 ✭✭✭✭✭✭
    In regards to the OP title, I agree. And I witnessed it in person at last years BStone inv. in his last day paired with JT.



    He just looked deflated the whole time. It showed. He never mounted a charge, and JT just cruised to victory playing B game golf. Now that were solidly in the 2019 year, and Rory has had almost three chances at victory (twice one back or in the lead) on Saturday going to Sunday, something is off about his mental game.



    It isn't yips, it isn't his swing - it is all mental. He can't close it out.
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    agolf1 wrote:

    MMB1500 wrote:

    agolf1 wrote:

    MattyO1984 wrote:


    Totally pointless being critical of someone expressing one on an internet forum.


    Good job being critical of my opinion then.




    You mean, like you were of other people's?



    I really don't get what point you're trying to make other then you don't like people expressing their views on Mcilroy's proven struggles with playing under pressure.



    Seems to me you're here to troll rather than have a sensible discussion about what his issues might be.


    I never said people can't be critical of any opinions, including mine. I just thought it was funny someone said don't be critical while being critical. I'm entirely fine with that post and yours.



    My point is Rory is better at his job than most people are at theirs. But everyone knows what Rory needs and how bad he is at golf.



    If all these people really knew how to maximize athletes' performance, why dont they become sports psychologists? They could make a lot of money fixing Rory, DJ, Rickie, LeBron, etc. Heck, even figure out what's wrong with Spieth right now.




    So, what do you think Rory's problem is? ; )
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    In regards to the OP title, I agree. And I witnessed it in person at last years BStone inv. in his last day paired with JT.



    He just looked deflated the whole time. It showed. He never mounted a charge, and JT just cruised to victory playing B game golf. Now that were solidly in the 2019 year, and Rory has had almost three chances at victory (twice one back or in the lead) on Saturday going to Sunday, something is off about his mental game.



    It isn't yips, it isn't his swing - it is all mental. He can't close it out.




    Wow...I don't know if I want to go there, but I cannot argue either. If this theory is true then it is a bad sign. It's one thing to crumble when playing alongside JT, but Fitzpatrick?!?! Not to take away from Fitz, he's good, but Rory should have run him over...and we saw how that went.
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    Rory doesnt have the short game and putter.




    For all the talk about poor attitude, happy with his life as it is, he'll get it together eventually, he's only 29, etc., this is the correct answer. Look I like Rory. I'd love to see him win more, but unless he can put four good rounds with the putter together it's not going to happen.
  • MattyO1984MattyO1984 Members Posts: 5,264 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭
    bscinstnct wrote:

    agolf1 wrote:

    MMB1500 wrote:

    agolf1 wrote:

    MattyO1984 wrote:


    Totally pointless being critical of someone expressing one on an internet forum.


    Good job being critical of my opinion then.




    You mean, like you were of other people's?



    I really don't get what point you're trying to make other then you don't like people expressing their views on Mcilroy's proven struggles with playing under pressure.



    Seems to me you're here to troll rather than have a sensible discussion about what his issues might be.


    I never said people can't be critical of any opinions, including mine. I just thought it was funny someone said don't be critical while being critical. I'm entirely fine with that post and yours.



    My point is Rory is better at his job than most people are at theirs. But everyone knows what Rory needs and how bad he is at golf.



    If all these people really knew how to maximize athletes' performance, why dont they become sports psychologists? They could make a lot of money fixing Rory, DJ, Rickie, LeBron, etc. Heck, even figure out what's wrong with Spieth right now.




    So, what do you think Rory's problem is? ; )




    The problem is that he doesn't like people being critical of him.
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  • agolf1agolf1 Members Posts: 1,495 ✭✭✭✭✭✭
    bscinstnct wrote:

    agolf1 wrote:

    MMB1500 wrote:

    agolf1 wrote:

    MattyO1984 wrote:


    Totally pointless being critical of someone expressing one on an internet forum.


    Good job being critical of my opinion then.




    You mean, like you were of other people's?



    I really don't get what point you're trying to make other then you don't like people expressing their views on Mcilroy's proven struggles with playing under pressure.



    Seems to me you're here to troll rather than have a sensible discussion about what his issues might be.


    I never said people can't be critical of any opinions, including mine. I just thought it was funny someone said don't be critical while being critical. I'm entirely fine with that post and yours.



    My point is Rory is better at his job than most people are at theirs. But everyone knows what Rory needs and how bad he is at golf.



    If all these people really knew how to maximize athletes' performance, why dont they become sports psychologists? They could make a lot of money fixing Rory, DJ, Rickie, LeBron, etc. Heck, even figure out what's wrong with Spieth right now.




    So, what do you think Rory's problem is? ; )


    I have no idea. I could list any number of the things that are usually brought up and then proclaim to be a genius like most do. But I don't know.
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  • agolf1agolf1 Members Posts: 1,495 ✭✭✭✭✭✭
    MattyO1984 wrote:


    The problem is that he doesn't like people being critical of him.


    Not true. I'm fine if people are critical of what I write and of Rory. I'm not even a Rory fan. I just think it's funny everyone knows what the 6th best golfer in the world needs to be doing differently.
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  • gvogelgvogel Members Posts: 7,718 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭
    There is only one person who can figure out his inability to close the deal, and it is Rory. Not a psychologist, not a caddy, not anyone else.



    On some deep subconscious level, Rory is going to have to become his own best friend.



    He's not there in the way that Arnold was, or Jack was, or Tiger was/is.
    Unseen, in the background, Fate was quietly slipping the lead into the boxing-glove.  P.G. Wodehouse

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