Equal pay LPGA vs PGA -I disagree

cnnmaverickcnnmaverick Members Posts: 123 ✭✭
I just read this article and disagree with some of the statements

https://www.golfchannel.com/news/lpgas-inclusion-aon-risk-reward-challenge-sends-powerful-message



If there is less viewership, less high exposure sponsors, less history and frankly a lot less people are caring about female golf - why are people so hung up on making sure women get paid the same?



I whole-heartedly disagree with this notion. I believe you should be getting paid the same but only if you do the same work (blue / white collar jobs etc). But if you're paycheck depends on being a professional athlete entertainer etc... It's the size of the audience that matters, not what you do. Otherwise welcome to socialism at its best...



What's your take?
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  • KjboisenKjboisen Members Posts: 99 ✭✭


    I just read this article and disagree with some of the statements

    https://www.golfchan...owerful-message



    If there is less viewership, less high exposure sponsors, less history and frankly a lot less people are caring about female golf - why are people so hung up on making sure women get paid the same?



    I whole-heartedly disagree with this notion. I believe you should be getting paid the same but only if you do the same work (blue / white collar jobs etc). But if you're paycheck depends on being a professional athlete entertainer etc... It's the size of the audience that matters, not what you do. Otherwise welcome to socialism at its best...



    What's your take?




    I believe they should be paid a lot more, but not the same.
  • LeoLeo99LeoLeo99 Members Posts: 3,990 ✭✭
    Did you even read the article in your post?
  • tideridertiderider Members Posts: 1,640 ✭✭
    everyone should be paid what the market will pay for that particular service ... men receive higher ratings ... end discussion ...


    I just read this article and disagree with some of the statements

    https://www.golfchan...owerful-message



    If there is less viewership, less high exposure sponsors, less history and frankly a lot less people are caring about female golf - why are people so hung up on making sure women get paid the same?



    I whole-heartedly disagree with this notion. I believe you should be getting paid the same but only if you do the same work (blue / white collar jobs etc). But if you're paycheck depends on being a professional athlete entertainer etc... It's the size of the audience that matters, not what you do. Otherwise welcome to socialism at its best...



    What's your take?




    lol ... it isn't socialism when a private company decides to offer more money so that men & women make the same amount ... it's capitalism, i.e. CHOICE
  • mbarnockimbarnocki Members Posts: 155 ✭✭
    Yeah dude read the article you linked. It clearly says the market is deciding that the LPGA tour is starting to be worth more to companies. The gap is closing, but nobody is mandating that it be closed. Nor are they demanding the PGA tour pay for the LPGA like the NBA does for the WNBA. So not sure where you are getting the "socialism" boogeyman from.
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  • duffer987duffer987 Don't feed the Choo. Canadian in CaliforniaMembers Posts: 9,015 ✭✭
    edited Jan 10, 2019 2:44pm #6


    I just read this article and disagree with some of the statements

    https://www.golfchan...owerful-message



    If there is less viewership, less high exposure sponsors, less history and frankly a lot less people are caring about female golf - why are people so hung up on making sure women get paid the same?



    I whole-heartedly disagree with this notion. I believe you should be getting paid the same but only if you do the same work (blue / white collar jobs etc). But if you're paycheck depends on being a professional athlete entertainer etc... It's the size of the audience that matters, not what you do. Otherwise welcome to socialism at its best...



    What's your take?


    You're a muppet. Work on your reading comprehension, or maybe get a dictionary, or maybe even just read the article again.

    Barring that take your faux-rage to Twitter.



    There's more to the article than this, but for a quick punchline:

    "Whan credits his corporate partners for building momentum in the quest to narrow the gender pay gap."
  • Z1ggy16Z1ggy16 Members Posts: 7,260 ✭✭
    edited Jan 10, 2019 2:46pm #7
    I wish they made more because they are extremely talented. I think what Whan is doing here is very cool and is fair. Women can't help that people aren't viewing their talent in as high regard as they should.



    One thing that is nice about LGPA events is that you know everybody there is a real golf fan. There's no ridiculous screaming, BABABOOEY's or MAAAASHED POTATOEZ to be heard. Just people enjoying the game being played by the top females in the world.



    I've gone to Men's pro events and heard people there talking and they have no idea who any of the players are and generally just seem like people who like to go to sports events purely for drinking/social reasons.



    I've always thought the ladies deserved more attention both socially and monetarily.
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  • TingtingTingting Members Posts: 705 ✭✭
    It would just mean the LPGA world need to go more global as in certain areas (Korea for example) has a larger following

  • Togatown22Togatown22 Saratoga Springs, NYMembers Posts: 2,771 ✭✭
    No way OP read the article.
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  • BrianMcGBrianMcG Members Posts: 2,273 ✭✭
    I should be paid the same as PGA pros too.
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  • nsxguynsxguy Just anudder user FloridaMembers Posts: 5,601 ✭✭
    edited Jan 10, 2019 2:59pm #11
    Why all the vitriol gents ?



    It appears to me the MAIN point of the article is this - The company could have instituted its new season-long risk-reward competition for the PGA Tour alone, could have established the $1 million winner’s prize for men only. The men, after all, sell more tickets, draw more TV viewers and get more media coverage.



    Aon stepped up, though, and offered the exact same deal for LPGA pros.



    “It’s just a powerful message,” Whan told GolfChannel.com. “We’re starting to see a series of pillar moments, where we are starting to create the kind of equality you see happening every day within companies that are sponsors.”





    The OP appears to disagree with THIS premise as it appears most of you do as well.



    And he asked your OPINIONS so why all the "haterade" ??? image/blink.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':blink:' />



    Did YOU guys read the article ? Or just skim it ? Did YOU guys read the OP ?



    Now I think he could have been a little more clear but,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, geez,,,,,,,,,,,, image/rolleyes.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':rolleyes:' />






    I just read this article and disagree with some of the statements

    https://www.golfchan...owerful-message



    If there is less viewership, less high exposure sponsors, less history and frankly a lot less people are caring about female golf - why are people so hung up on making sure women get paid the same?



    I whole-heartedly disagree with this notion. I believe you should be getting paid the same but only if you do the same work (blue / white collar jobs etc). But if you're paycheck depends on being a professional athlete entertainer etc... It's the size of the audience that matters, not what you do. Otherwise welcome to socialism at its best...



    What's your take?

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  • Togatown22Togatown22 Saratoga Springs, NYMembers Posts: 2,771 ✭✭
    nsxguy; are you kidding? The OP is annoyed that a sponsor created a "season long challenge" with an award for both tours and decided that it was a good use of their marketing dollars to make the prize amounts equal for men and women. How could anyone have a problem with that?
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  • jpdxjpdx Members Posts: 1,602 ✭✭
    [background=transparent]I disagree with OP. If the sponsors are putting up the money, they've already considered the risk/reward of putting said funds up for the purse. if that means that they are paid the same, that's fantastic! it doesn't matter if [/background]
    [background=transparent]there is "less viewership, less high exposure sponsors, less history and frankly a lot less people are caring about female golf " it's the company's money and they can choose how they wish to spend it. [/background]




    [background=transparent]besides the money and media attention on this probably would've cost AON more than the purse...I mean, who has heard of AON and really known what type of company it is before this article?[/background]
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  • ShilgyShilgy Members Posts: 11,394 ✭✭
    BrianMcG wrote:


    I should be paid the same as PGA pros too.
    Which one?

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  • davep043davep043 Members Posts: 3,101 ✭✭
    I see two different things. I can agree with the OP, in that your value is exactly what you can get for your time, just like the value of your house, or the value of a rental car. That's especially true in entertainment, and really that's what all spectator sports are. If people simply won't pay as for something (women's golf), then its not worth as much. So I don't really have a problem with women golfers earning less than their male counterparts.



    On the other hand, I have no problem with a company making a value judgement in deciding to offer the same pay-out for the man and woman who win their competition. Its quite possible that AON believe the image boost they get from treating men and women equally will be worth the "extra" money they're offering the woman who wins. More important, their image would take a beating of they offer the men's winner double the prize as the woman winner.
  • KMeloneyKMeloney Members Posts: 4,755 ✭✭
    nsxguy wrote:


    Now I think he could have been a little more clear but,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, geez,,,,,,,,,,,, image/rolleyes.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':rolleyes:' />




    Let's first be clear that multiple commas in a row in writing isn't a thing. image/wink.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=';)' />



    But seriously... (See how that's done?) The OP did appear to miss the thrust of the article.
  • Darth PutterDarth Putter Members Posts: 4,766 ✭✭
    I would guess that within ten years both the USGA and R&A will be offering equal prize money for their men's and women's Opens.
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  • Krt22Krt22 Members Posts: 6,504 ✭✭
    Z1ggy16 wrote:


    I wish they made more because they are extremely talented. I think what Whan is doing here is very cool and is fair. Women can't help that people aren't viewing their talent in as high regard as they should.



    One thing that is nice about LGPA events is that you know everybody there is a real golf fan. There's no ridiculous screaming, BABABOOEY's or MAAAASHED POTATOEZ to be heard. Just people enjoying the game being played by the top females in the world.



    I've gone to Men's pro events and heard people there talking and they have no idea who any of the players are and generally just seem like people who like to go to sports events purely for drinking/social reasons.



    I've always thought the ladies deserved more attention both socially and monetarily.




    As terrible as it sounds, you just highlighted a big reason why the pay gap exists. Dingdongs who only attend events to spend $$$$ on booze and have fun are largely why PGA purses are larger.



    In the world of sports/entertainment, viewership is everything. Case in point, instagram/twitter "social media influencers", an area completely dominated by females.
  • duffer987duffer987 Don't feed the Choo. Canadian in CaliforniaMembers Posts: 9,015 ✭✭
    NSX If you:

    - read the article

    - read the OP

    - read our responses

    - and still come to your conclusion?



    Then you "read" the article with the same mind-already-made-up-based-on-a-preconceived-strawman argument closed-mindedness that has nothing to do with the article, that the OP had.
  • Krt22Krt22 Members Posts: 6,504 ✭✭
    davep043 wrote:


    I see two different things. I can agree with the OP, in that your value is exactly what you can get for your time, just like the value of your house, or the value of a rental car. That's especially true in entertainment, and really that's what all spectator sports are. If people simply won't pay as for something (women's golf), then its not worth as much. So I don't really have a problem with women golfers earning less than their male counterparts.






    You can even take **** out of the equation. In the world of professional sports, simply compare small market teams to large market teams.
  • lowheellowheel LOWHEEL Members Posts: 6,147 ✭✭


    I just read this article and disagree with some of the statements

    https://www.golfchan...owerful-message



    If there is less viewership, less high exposure sponsors, less history and frankly a lot less people are caring about female golf - why are people so hung up on making sure women get paid the same?



    I whole-heartedly disagree with this notion. I believe you should be getting paid the same but only if you do the same work (blue / white collar jobs etc). But if you're paycheck depends on being a professional athlete entertainer etc... It's the size of the audience that matters, not what you do. Otherwise welcome to socialism at its best...



    What's your take?




    The only people asking for that are the very vocal SJWs who live in a utopia in their own mind. You answered your own question very well and i agree with you 100%
  • BrianMcGBrianMcG Members Posts: 2,273 ✭✭
    Shilgy wrote:

    BrianMcG wrote:


    I should be paid the same as PGA pros too.
    Which one?

    235 Kyle Thompson 22 $24,878




    Man, just think what I could do with all that. Talk about burning $100 bills to light cigars.
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  • ShilgyShilgy Members Posts: 11,394 ✭✭
    edited Jan 10, 2019 4:19pm #23
    BrianMcG wrote:

    Shilgy wrote:

    BrianMcG wrote:


    I should be paid the same as PGA pros too.
    Which one?

    235 Kyle Thompson 22 $24,878




    Man, just think what I could do with all that. Talk about burning $100 bills to light cigars.
    There are not three more zeros at the end of that. And the comma is not moved. image/smile.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':)' />
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  • duffer987duffer987 Don't feed the Choo. Canadian in CaliforniaMembers Posts: 9,015 ✭✭
    lowheel wrote:



    I just read this article and disagree with some of the statements

    https://www.golfchan...owerful-message



    If there is less viewership, less high exposure sponsors, less history and frankly a lot less people are caring about female golf - why are people so hung up on making sure women get paid the same?



    I whole-heartedly disagree with this notion. I believe you should be getting paid the same but only if you do the same work (blue / white collar jobs etc). But if you're paycheck depends on being a professional athlete entertainer etc... It's the size of the audience that matters, not what you do. Otherwise welcome to socialism at its best...



    What's your take?




    The only people asking for that are the very vocal SJWs who live in a utopia in their own mind. You answered your own question very well and i agree with you 100%


    Did you read the article? In the article the only people doing that are AON as part of their promotion challenge event thingy, which is certainly about business first and foremost.

    The head of the LPGA readily notes the tours are not equal and is only looking to narrow the difference.
  • KMeloneyKMeloney Members Posts: 4,755 ✭✭
    What the OP was talking about, but not what the article was about:
    davep043 wrote:


    I see two different things. I can agree with the OP, in that your value is exactly what you can get for your time, just like the value of your house, or the value of a rental car. That's especially true in entertainment, and really that's what all spectator sports are. If people simply won't pay as for something (women's golf), then its not worth as much. So I don't really have a problem with women golfers earning less than their male counterparts.




    What the article was about:
    On the other hand, I have no problem with a company making a value judgement in deciding to offer the same pay-out for the man and woman who win their competition. Its quite possible that AON believe the image boost they get from treating men and women equally will be worth the "extra" money they're offering the woman who wins. More important, their image would take a beating of they offer the men's winner double the prize as the woman winner.




    You nailed it. As you suggested here, AON is certainly hopeful that prizes like the one it's putting up for the LPGA will draw more women to that tour, elevate the quality of it, increase viewership, and narrow the salary gap between the two tours eventually. However, it's a one-time "prize," and they can either afford to donate the money for it, or not. Now, if the LPGA raises the purses of every event via higher ticket prices -- and no one goes to any events because of it -- then that's the market at work. The article wasn't about the latter.
  • elwhippyelwhippy Members Posts: 3,120 ✭✭
    Not a chance. The product is not as attractive to sponsors or viewers and the large non US contingent don't seem to bring in revenues from Asian businesses. And don't get me started on female tennis players earning the same at Wimbledon...45 mins for a match against up to 5 hours for men.
  • bscinstnctbscinstnct Members Posts: 26,404 ✭✭
    lowheel wrote:



    I just read this article and disagree with some of the statements

    https://www.golfchan...owerful-message



    If there is less viewership, less high exposure sponsors, less history and frankly a lot less people are caring about female golf - why are people so hung up on making sure women get paid the same?



    I whole-heartedly disagree with this notion. I believe you should be getting paid the same but only if you do the same work (blue / white collar jobs etc). But if you're paycheck depends on being a professional athlete entertainer etc... It's the size of the audience that matters, not what you do. Otherwise welcome to socialism at its best...



    What's your take?




    The only people asking for that are the very vocal SJWs who live in a utopia in their own mind. You answered your own question very well and i agree with you 100%




    Stop living in the stone ages.



    At the very *least, women should make the same as men.



    I mean, they have to do all the cooking and cleaning so it's the least they should expect.
  • Krt22Krt22 Members Posts: 6,504 ✭✭
    elwhippy wrote:


    Not a chance. The product is not as attractive to sponsors or viewers and the large non US contingent don't seem to bring in revenues from Asian businesses. And don't get me started on female tennis players earning the same at Wimbledon...45 mins for a match against up to 5 hours for men.




    If they draw the same viewership, who cares how long the matches are?
  • ebrasmus21ebrasmus21 Serial Shanker CAMembers Posts: 5,354 ✭✭
    KMeloney wrote:


    What the OP was talking about, but not what the article was about:
    davep043 wrote:


    I see two different things. I can agree with the OP, in that your value is exactly what you can get for your time, just like the value of your house, or the value of a rental car. That's especially true in entertainment, and really that's what all spectator sports are. If people simply won't pay as for something (women's golf), then its not worth as much. So I don't really have a problem with women golfers earning less than their male counterparts.




    What the article was about:
    On the other hand, I have no problem with a company making a value judgement in deciding to offer the same pay-out for the man and woman who win their competition. Its quite possible that AON believe the image boost they get from treating men and women equally will be worth the "extra" money they're offering the woman who wins. More important, their image would take a beating of they offer the men's winner double the prize as the woman winner.




    You nailed it. As you suggested here, AON is certainly hopeful that prizes like the one it's putting up for the LPGA will draw more women to that tour, elevate the quality of it, increase viewership, and narrow the salary gap between the two tours eventually. However, it's a one-time "prize," and they can either afford to donate the money for it, or not. Now, if the LPGA raises the purses of every event via higher ticket prices -- and no one goes to any events because of it -- then that's the market at work. The article wasn't about the latter.




    Just curious, is the goal of AON to produce the best product possible? Or, is the goal of AON to pursue equality of outcome?
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  • CwingCwing Members Posts: 8,048 ✭✭
    Easy.



    Pay them the same % of revenue regard,ess of Tour. If they want to make the same dollar figure, they need to find a way to generate the same revenue.



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  • ebrasmus21ebrasmus21 Serial Shanker CAMembers Posts: 5,354 ✭✭
    Just read the article. The goal seems to be equality of outcome. As the sponsor that is their prerogative.
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