Equipment prices are insane this year!

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  • duffer987duffer987 Don't feed the Choo. Canadian in CaliforniaMembers Posts: 9,015 ✭✭

    cgasucks wrote:


    For me, iron and driver prices are reasonable but there were a couple of anomalies I know were really priced higher than average.



    The Mizuno 300s (the one that Vijay won his first Masters with) was priced at $1000 in 2000 and I vivdly remember the R7 Superquad (All Black First Edition) was $700 when it first came out. That club was so special I remember it was displayed in its own glass display case at my local Golftown.



    Thank God for Craigslist, Ebay and BST since I have both of those clubs used at a price that I can afford. My 300s is in my basement and my All Black First Edition Superquad is now my gamer.



    I think there is no reason that newcomers to this game that the price of golf clubs should discourage them from playing since club technology has pretty much plateaued for at least a decade and one can get a decent set of used tour proven USGA conforming clubs for only a few hundred dollars.



    Never in my lifetime has golf equipment have become more affordable.




    As a former 300s owner, I can tell you that this driver did not sell for $1000 new, But what a local brick and mortar golf shop

    Does with pricing after VJ won with it, who knows.


    Poster is in Canada, which has significantly higher retail prices than the States.

    Always been that way unfortunately. Heck right now a 4-PW set of i210s we can get down here for $875 USD costs $1250 CAD.
  • BigHook25BigHook25 Members Posts: 2,292 ✭✭
    mantan wrote:


    People talk about the prices of golf equipment being somewhat equal 20 years ago when you adjust for inflation. I think the big difference was the game was growing and companies were chasing those dollars. The number of golfers has been in decline for awhile. It seems like a lot several companies have cut back their products or jumped out of the game entirely.



    It's definitely changed my golf buying habits. I still buy drivers new, that's just me. I tend to keep irons for a long time. And when I buy a set, it's usually a closeout model that's on sale. I bought a brand new set of JPX EZ Forged irons for $300 when the new models were out. I've got my eye on a set of Srixon 565s now that you can get a new set fairly cheap.




    Golf companies might sell less now than 20 years ago, but if they can sell them for a little more money, it equals out. With the amount of technology and materials these companies are putting into clubs just to chase new customers or repeat customers, I could see the prices go higher (not that I want them to). Additionally, most people (at least on WRX) want more custom shaft options. So we are getting a better product and more options than we were before.
  • jcorna01jcorna01 Members Posts: 610 ✭✭
    edited Jan 11, 2019 9:52am #34
    I didn't read all of the responses, but I also think it makes a difference if you are the kind of golfer that buys new and plays it for several seasons or if you tinker every year. I'm sort of both. I don't mind paying $1200 - $1400 for a set of irons because I know i'll play them for 4-6 years, but with the rate I change fairway woods there is no way i'd buy new!
  • MtlJeffMtlJeff MontrealMembers Posts: 28,369 ✭✭
    Golf64 wrote:


    $700 for new drivers here in Canada, plus 13% taxes=$791!?!? Apex/Pros coming in at $1,800?! Going to be an interesting yr. for sales!? image/to_become_senile.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':to_become_senile:' />




    Yeah the Epic Flash cracked the 700$ barrier. Ping and others have wedges over 200$



    It's nuts



    You just have to buy the stuff that isn't too bad. Cobra and srixon for example aren't crazy. Cobra driver is like 550$ and new forged irons are < 1500



    Brand loyalty will cost you.



    Ping G400 Max 9 w/Matrix Black Tie 80
    Callaway Epic Subzero 14* w/Matrix Black Tie 80
    Callaway Apex Hybrid 20 w/Diamana D+ 95
    Callaway 2016 Apex Pro 4-PW w/S300
    Callaway MD Forged 52,56 w/S300
    Callaway MD 2.0 60 PM grind w/s300
    SGC Northwood Center Shaft 400g
  • GSDriverGSDriver Members Posts: 597 ✭✭
    R&D ain't cheap...be patient as actual selling prices will likely be lower, or go with last year's model, which can be found discounted fairly deeply.



    One of main reasons I quit HOing clubs, going on two years now as reformed.
    Epic Speeder 661
    Rogue 4 Wood Evenflow 75 Blue
    Epic Hybrids 3/4/5
    Apex Pro 6-P Recoil 110 F4
    MD Slate Forged 52
    PM Grind 56/60
    Odyssey 7S
    All grips except putter are Iomic Sticky 2.3
  • Luke'sdadLuke'sdad Lukes's dad Members Posts: 100 ✭✭
    Latest purchase via Play It Again Sports, new Nike Vapor Fly 3 wood, w/real Blueboard, w/headcover, $60.00. Loved that fairway when it was introduced a few years back at about $250. New putters prices also have become ridiculous of late. Every manufacture has become a Scotty clone, at least in price. Being said, my gamer is a Taylor Made Smoke from a few years back. Just works for me better than anything I have used in years. Just found a new, in plastic duplicate on line for $25. No need to buy new, save the $ for a few more rounds.
  • CaseyDanCaseyDan Members Posts: 796 ✭✭
    I tend to buy used clubs to try them and then when I find something I really like I’ll buy it new, especially irons and wedges. Just something comforting knowing that you are the first and only one to hit a club.



    I also think the OEM’s have to make up for the business they are losing to used/internet. I know people always complain about marketing but it is a beautiful art IMO.
    TaylorMade M2 Tensei Pro White 60s
    Callaway Epic Flash w/ Whiteboard 70s
    Callaway Rogue 5W w/ Whiteboard 80s
    Callaway Apex 19 Combo 4-AW
    Ping Glide 2.0 56*
    TaylorMade 60* Hi-Toe
    TaylorMade Spider X
  • Tiptx1122Tiptx1122 TMPing Members Posts: 1,651 ClubWRX
    Thank You PXG as I saw this coming. Maybe it's time for a price discount on the Gen 2's.
  • dubbelbogeydubbelbogey Members Posts: 401 ✭✭
    No different than any other luxury goods product: BMW, Armani, Rolex, nice wine, iPhones. There are almost always very good, extremely serviceable products that fulfill the function at a fraction of the cost (e.g you can even buy a BMW used, too, if only that brand will meet your needs.) Golf clubs are no different, except that we here at WRX Equipment try to dissect the functional performance differences between clubs when in reality, those differences not there in any truly meaningful way. At least with cars, nobody would argue that a Toyota Corolla has similar performance to a Porsche 911. Instead, we're talking differences more akin to a blue Ford pickup vs a silver Chevy pickup. (I grew up in Detroit, so I know what it means to pit Ford v. Chevy... ) image/laugh.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':lol:' />



    Luxury goods cost $$$, almost by definition.
  • Snowman9000Snowman9000 Members Posts: 1,096 ✭✭
    I have friends who rarely buy clubs, but when they do, they buy new. Next time they are in the market, they will be shocked.
    Driver 915 D2
    5W Wilson Fybrid
    4h, 5h Adams Idea Tech 2015
    5-AW Snake Eyes Viper MS, graphite
    58º Callaway MD2 Forged S grind
    Putter TM Rossa Daytona 6
  • daleheaddalehead Members Posts: 1,460 ✭✭
    Golf64 wrote:


    $700 for new drivers here in Canada, plus 13% taxes=$791!?!? Apex/Pros coming in at $1,800?! Going to be an interesting yr. for sales!? image/to_become_senile.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':to_become_senile:' />




    Yeah, but you have free health care.
  • iKOH423iKOH423 Members Posts: 105 ✭✭
    I used to think that $400 was a good price for drivers because of "all the advancements in technology" and the ability to adjust settings on a driver that it wasn't needed to consistently upgrade to the newer model. Prices just seem to keep going up and that leaves the consumer with zero incentive to want to always upgrade...at this rate, I think I will just buy irons/wedges new and try and get into the BST market to fill out the top of my bag, especially with all the options in the market nowadays.
    Driver: Callaway Epic Sub Zero 10.5 Deg.
    Fairway Wood: Callaway Epic Sub Zero 15 Deg
    Hybrid: Callaway Epic 3 19 Deg.
    Irons: Callaway Apex CF16 4-AW
    Wedges: Callaway Mack Daddy Forged Wedges 56/60
    Putter: Scotty Cameron 18' Select Newport 2
  • grm24grm24 Western PAMembers Posts: 3,104 ✭✭
    edited Jan 11, 2019 11:46am #44
    NRJyzr wrote:

    grm24 wrote:

    bogeypro wrote:


    I know we always complain about prices, but everything is really humping up this year. Irons in the $1300-1400 range. Drivers finally cracked $500.
    Drivers have been $500+ previously. In 2003 the R510TP was priced at retail at $599.99 and higher. Inflation adjusted over $800 in current day money.



    Perhaps a history lesson from 1996 needs revisiting.



    https://www.si.com/v...surely-costlier



    This barrier, however, was broken quietly, indoors and without warning, when

    Ram Golf president Jim Hansberger--wearing a coat and tie instead

    of the traditional fireproof jumpsuit--introduced the Ram FX

    Ti-Forged oversize titanium driver. Suggested retail price: $1,000.



    Or it doesn't, depending on whom you talk to. For more than a

    year Titleist and MacGregor have been selling oversize titanium

    drivers for less than $300--or trying to, anyway. "They haven't

    sold any," says Callaway Golf CEO Ely Callaway, smiling broadly.

    "Ask any retailer." (We did. He's right.) Callaway, on the other

    hand, has shipped 300,000 of its Great Big Bertha titanium

    drivers, which retail for a robust $500
    . Industry giant Cobra,

    seeking to establish itself in metal woods, has trumped Callaway

    by pricing its King Cobra Ti (pronounced tee-eye) driver at a

    mere $367, causing industry experts to conclude that Callaway

    either will lower its price (it'll have to, if everybody follows

    Cobra's lead) or thumb its nose at the competition (Callaway is

    arrogant enough to keep the price up, no matter what others

    charge). At Founders Club, whose Judge titanium driver sells for

    $475,
    metal woods pioneer and company founder Gary Adams

    concedes, "Those people who drive a Mercedes will want to own a

    titanium driver."






    When you adjust for inflation, irons today are cheaper than irons some 50 years ago. A set of MacGregor VIP irons in the 60s would be over $1,600 today.



    A set of Ping ISI were $699 in 1996. Thats about $1140 today. Seems fairly close to the cost for a set of iBlades today?



    A lot of folks complain loudly about TM and their product cycles, but they can claim considerable responsibility for saving us from Callaway pricing. Imagine paying $800 for a driver these days, with a crappy stock shaft.
    Many of the folks that complain loudly about TM and their product cycles completely ignore the fact that Callaway was doing the same thing if not putting out more product than TM.
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  • TexasCarlosTexasCarlos Unregistered Posts: 861 ✭✭
    Buy used if they're out of budget, a lot of folks with the means to buy gear and are passionate about golf will spend it. That and nobody is making you buy a driver at gunpoint.
    G400 LST
    TM SLDR TS
    Apex UT 18'
    Apex MB 18'
    RTX 2.0 Raw
    Ping Anser Milled
  • ohioglfrohioglfr Municipal Junkie Members Posts: 729 ✭✭
    As a General Motors exec once said, "Sell the sizzle, not the steak . . . ".



    Ignore the marketing fluff, keep the clubs you're happy with or make prudent buying decisions.

    Adams Speedline 9088UL 10.5* AXIVCore 69 Black (S)
    Ping G SF Tec 3W, 5W Alta 65 (R)
    Ping G 4H,5H Alta 70 (R)
    Ping G 6-U TT XP 95 (soft R)
    Ping Glide 54*, 58* WS TT XP 100 (R)
    Ping Darby Sigma G

  • cgasuckscgasucks Members Posts: 2,186 ✭✭
    Can't believe no one has mentioned how graphite shafts have risen up in price. When I started golf in 2000, you can get a tour quality aftermarket shaft for $75 at most (usually $40-60) from your local clubmaker (like a EI-70, Prolite, or the original Proforce). They have risen up steadily since then.



    Nowadays, shaft manufacturers are taking advantage of the shaftoids insatiable hunger for a few extra yards on their drives by charging them hundreds of dollars more. A tour quality shaft is at least $300 these days.
    10.5 deg Titleist 905R with stock UST Proforce V2 Shaft
    Titleist DCI 990 Irons (3-PW) with stock Dynamic Gold shafts in S300
    Taylormade ATV 54 deg & 58 deg wedges with stock KBS shafts
    Taylormade V-Steel 5W & 3W with Grafalloy Prolaunch Red shafts
    Ping Anser 2 Stainless Steel Putter
  • RH82RH82 Members Posts: 1,999 ✭✭
    edited Jan 11, 2019 11:39am #48
    I remember as a junior in 2000 or so saving money for a new Ping TiSi Tec driver and back then it was around $600 CAD.
    Cobra King KTD Pro (9.5*)
    Titleist 917 F2 (16.5*)
    Callaway Apex (20*/23*)
    Srixon Z785 (5-PW)
    Cleveland RTX-4 (50*/56*/60*)
    Toulon Madison
  • JagpilotohioJagpilotohio 45+ inch drivers are evil. Columbus, OHMembers Posts: 7,223 ✭✭
    It’s already been posted, but worth repeating. Clubs are actually less expensive today than they should be if you adjust for inflation from many years ago.



    The great big Bertha titanium was $500 in 1995. Adjusted for inflation that’s $831 dollars today.



    $550 for a good driver today given how much better the equipment is should actually be considered a bargain.
    9.5* Cobra LTD, Old school Grafalloy Blue, 43.5"
    14* Cally 815 alpha fuji 665 X 42"
    16* Cally 815 alpha fuji 665 X, 41.5" (set to 17*)
    19* Titleist 816 H2 fuji 8.8X TS 40.0"
    4-7 2016 Hogan PTx, KBS Tour V, 120X.  
    Ping i210 8 & 9 Proto 125 F5 hardstepped 1x.
    Ping glide 2 46-12, 50-12, 54-14 (at 55) stealth, Vokey SM6 60M (61). Wedges Recoil Proto 125 F5
    33.5" Ghost spider slant neck.
    Srixon Z-star XV
    Jones Trouper Bag
  • MtlJeffMtlJeff MontrealMembers Posts: 28,369 ✭✭
    dalehead wrote:

    Golf64 wrote:


    $700 for new drivers here in Canada, plus 13% taxes=$791!?!? Apex/Pros coming in at $1,800?! Going to be an interesting yr. for sales!? image/to_become_senile.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':to_become_senile:' />




    Yeah, but you have free health care.




    You'd need free mental health care after buying a full new set LoL!
    Ping G400 Max 9 w/Matrix Black Tie 80
    Callaway Epic Subzero 14* w/Matrix Black Tie 80
    Callaway Apex Hybrid 20 w/Diamana D+ 95
    Callaway 2016 Apex Pro 4-PW w/S300
    Callaway MD Forged 52,56 w/S300
    Callaway MD 2.0 60 PM grind w/s300
    SGC Northwood Center Shaft 400g
  • egehoskiegehoski Members Posts: 46 ✭✭
    OP is definitely not wrong about prices being high. It’s just that it’s pretty much true about everything. My kids’ sports (which includes golf), groceries, cars. Life is outrageously expensive.

    I do remember a big noticeable spike in club prices in the late ‘90s, early 2000’s. I remember buying the 975D driver when it first came out, and my Dad about having a heart attack. I think that was my first $300 club. Then the floodgates opened, lol.
  • JagpilotohioJagpilotohio 45+ inch drivers are evil. Columbus, OHMembers Posts: 7,223 ✭✭
    I’m blaming Tiger.



    Equipment prices were pretty flat while he wasn’t playing worth a ****, or playing at all for that matter.



    Now he’s back and prices are increasing again.



    Yep...It’s all Tigers fault.
    9.5* Cobra LTD, Old school Grafalloy Blue, 43.5"
    14* Cally 815 alpha fuji 665 X 42"
    16* Cally 815 alpha fuji 665 X, 41.5" (set to 17*)
    19* Titleist 816 H2 fuji 8.8X TS 40.0"
    4-7 2016 Hogan PTx, KBS Tour V, 120X.  
    Ping i210 8 & 9 Proto 125 F5 hardstepped 1x.
    Ping glide 2 46-12, 50-12, 54-14 (at 55) stealth, Vokey SM6 60M (61). Wedges Recoil Proto 125 F5
    33.5" Ghost spider slant neck.
    Srixon Z-star XV
    Jones Trouper Bag
  • VNutzVNutz Members Posts: 6,101 ✭✭
    I generally buy used or on a deal when I can, rarely do I plan on buying new clubs via retail. The frustrating thing for me is how crucial getting fit properly has become, and buying used doesn't really line up with that. So if you want the best benefits of the new tech you're usually pushed into the new stuff at new prices.
  • DFS PFDDFS PFD Members Posts: 872 ✭✭
    duffer987 wrote:


    cgasucks wrote:


    For me, iron and driver prices are reasonable but there were a couple of anomalies I know were really priced higher than average.



    The Mizuno 300s (the one that Vijay won his first Masters with) was priced at $1000 in 2000 and I vivdly remember the R7 Superquad (All Black First Edition) was $700 when it first came out. That club was so special I remember it was displayed in its own glass display case at my local Golftown.



    Thank God for Craigslist, Ebay and BST since I have both of those clubs used at a price that I can afford. My 300s is in my basement and my All Black First Edition Superquad is now my gamer.



    I think there is no reason that newcomers to this game that the price of golf clubs should discourage them from playing since club technology has pretty much plateaued for at least a decade and one can get a decent set of used tour proven USGA conforming clubs for only a few hundred dollars.



    Never in my lifetime has golf equipment have become more affordable.




    As a former 300s owner, I can tell you that this driver did not sell for $1000 new, But what a local brick and mortar golf shop

    Does with pricing after VJ won with it, who knows.


    Poster is in Canada, which has significantly higher retail prices than the States.

    Always been that way unfortunately. Heck right now a 4-PW set of i210s we can get down here for $875 USD costs $1250 CAD.


    Almost like the currencies aren't equal in value.
    TC Rogue SZ 8.8* Pro Orange 70TX/ ACCRA TZ5 75 M5
    M2 Tour 15* Kuro Kage DC 70TX
    790 UDI Tensei Pro White 100TX
    4-PW Apex Pro 19 DG X7's
    50* MG Raw Tour issue S400
    55* MG Raw Tour issue S400
    60* Hi-Toe Tour Issue S400
    J-DAY Spider
  • TM_HOYERTM_HOYER Members Posts: 2,206 ✭✭
    They are finally realizing that Americans are also willing to pay premium prices for premium products. It used to be the higher priced (forged) products were only found in the Asian markets. Callaway came out with an American version of the Diablo Forged and Nike with the VR_S Forged which we bought in large enough numbers that the market shifted up. They still make the lower priced equipment, but now we get some the the stuff that you had to buy JDM.
    Callaway Epic Flash 10.5 driver w/ Tensei AX 65 Regular
    Callaway Epic 3+ wood w/ Fujikura Pro 72 Green Regular
    Callaway Epic 5 & 7wood w/ Fujikura Pro 62 Green Regular
    Callaway Apex 19 5 - AW irons w/ Project X Catalyst 60 Regular
    Callaway MD4 56 & 60 w/ Project X LZ 5.5
    Toulon Design Atlanta
    Callaway Chrome Soft
  • ChronicSlicerChronicSlicer Members Posts: 946 ✭✭
    grm24 wrote:


    At Founders Club, whose Judge titanium driver sells for

    $475,
    metal woods pioneer and company founder Gary Adams

    concedes, "Those people who drive a Mercedes will want to own a

    titanium driver."




    The underlined say`s it all really. Unless someone can tell the "Mercedes" drivers to stop buying new equipment the increasing prices will continue.
  • leopoldstotchleopoldstotch Members Posts: 356 ✭✭
    I'd get it if ti were a gradual thing, but i've only been in the game for 4 years and the prices have gone up almost 50%



    that's a lot...
    Taylormade M2 Driver (2016)
    Callaway XR16 3 Wood

    Cobra Fly Z 5 Wood
    Srixon H45 4 Hybrid

    Srixon Z565 5-AW
    Cleveland RTX 3 54/58
    Taylormade Spider Tour Red
  • ChronicSlicerChronicSlicer Members Posts: 946 ✭✭
    iKOH423 wrote:


    Prices just seem to keep going up and that leaves the consumer with zero incentive to want to always upgrade...




    This is false. If people weren`t upgrading to the latest and greatest everytime something new came out, wouldn`t you think the prices would drop to attract more customers? The rising prices simply shows you people are willing to pay whatever price for the new stuff.



    For Christ`s sake people are shelling out 50-80$ for a pair of shorty shorts just to golf in. http://www.golfwrx.com/forums/topic/1476714-shorts-with-a-shorter-inseam/
  • iKOH423iKOH423 Members Posts: 105 ✭✭

    iKOH423 wrote:


    Prices just seem to keep going up and that leaves the consumer with zero incentive to want to always upgrade...




    This is false. If people weren`t upgrading to the latest and greatest everytime something new came out, wouldn`t you think the prices would drop to attract more customers? The rising prices simply shows you people are willing to pay whatever price for the new stuff.



    For Christ`s sake people are shelling out 50-80$ for a pair of shorty shorts just to golf in. http://www.golfwrx.c...shorter-inseam/




    While that is true, I would think that there has to be a breaking point somewhere down the line. I would love to think that this is the start? Who know.
    Driver: Callaway Epic Sub Zero 10.5 Deg.
    Fairway Wood: Callaway Epic Sub Zero 15 Deg
    Hybrid: Callaway Epic 3 19 Deg.
    Irons: Callaway Apex CF16 4-AW
    Wedges: Callaway Mack Daddy Forged Wedges 56/60
    Putter: Scotty Cameron 18' Select Newport 2
  • burgeburge Members Posts: 88 ✭✭
    It’s not the cost of irons and drivers that shock me, it’s the cost of the **** putters that is outrageous. Considering that there has been very little R&D change to putters, and that it does not require a premium shaft, there is no reason that non-custom putters should be > $200. I get that it is the most used club in the bag, but they just keep rebranding the same designs over and over each year ... change black to red and jack up the price based on the “new visual and alignment help” or tweak the firmness of an insert and charge more for a “pro” model of the same **** clubhead.
  • MountainGoatMountainGoat Mid-MarylandMembers Posts: 1,668 ✭✭
    The general marketing strategy is to try to get more money out of the remaining few people who have it, not to find new buyers.
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