Epic Flash Sub Zero vs. Epic Sub Zero

keith723keith723 ClubWRX Posts: 2,044 ClubWRX
edited Jan 13, 2019 10:17pm in Equipment #1
I had a chance to hit the Epic Flash Sub Zero 9* vs. my gamer, Epic Sub Zero 9*



Epic Flash Sub Zero was 9* in neutral settings and had the Tensei CK Pro White 70-TX @ 45.75" (plays as an x flex, just marked tx since it's the CK Pro line)



Epic Sub Zero was 9* in neutral settings, heavy weight forward, and had Diamana White D+ 70-X @ 45"



I've owned a couple of Rogue Sub Zero's over the years but they always spun quite a bit more than the Epic, so I always went back to my Epic as I was longer and forgiveness was the same. Rogue Sub Zero also seemed a bit draw-biased to me vs. the Epic Sub Zero.



Not exactly apples to apples since they were different shafts, albeit, very similar - other than the length of the shaft being longer with the Epic Flash SZ.



Also, not sure how to put the heavy weight forward in the Epic Flash Sub Zero - maybe you have to order different weights?? The guys at the PGA Tour Superstore were not sure - if anyone is knowledgeable here, please let me know!



Epic Flash Sub Zero - 9*, Tensei CK Pro White 70-TX @ 45.75" (heavyweight back)

**(best of 5 swings)

Ball Speed: 162 mph

Avg. Clubhead speed: 117.1 mph

Launch: 17.9*

Backspin: 1996

Carry: 298 yds

Total Distance: 327 yds





Epic Sub Zero - 9*, Diamana White D+ 70-X @ 45" (heavyweight forward)

**(best of 5 swings)

Ball Speed: 165 mph

Avg. Clubhead speed: 116.7 mph

Launch: 17.4*

Backspin: 1855

Carry: 313 yds

Total Distance: 336 yds



I'm not really looking to replace my Epic Sub Zero, since I hit it so well, but always curious when the new stuff comes out. Epic Flash Sub Zero is much louder! Almost sounds like a Ping driver, but it's hot off the face and pretty low-spin, even with the heavy weight back. I'm really curious to hit this in a heavy-weight forward setting. It's not completely obnoxious, but louder than my Epic SZ.
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Callaway Epic 15*, Fubuki K 70-X
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Callaway MD4 Raw 54.10 & 60.08, DG S-300
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  • Swisstrader98Swisstrader98 Members Posts: 3,521 ✭✭
    So if I cut all this data in half, I can use the same stats for my swing😂
  • BookerBooker Members Posts: 733 ✭✭
    117mph and only 162mph ballspeed is a very poor smash factor, something isn't adding up here. Almost 18 degrees of launch would be the highest ball flight on the Pga tour by miles.
  • keith723keith723 ClubWRX Posts: 2,044 ClubWRX
    edited Jan 13, 2019 10:32pm #4
    Booker wrote:


    117mph and only 162mph ballspeed is a very poor smash factor, something isn't adding up here. Almost 18 degrees of launch would be the highest ball flight on the Pga tour by miles.




    My launch angle has always been over 15* - lately closer to 17* to 18*...so yes, I hit the ball crazy high.



    TaylorMade M5 9*, PX Evenflow T1100 White 65 6.5 @ 45"
    Callaway Epic 15*, Fubuki K 70-X
    PING G410 Hybrid 19*, PX Evenflow Black 85 6.5
    Callaway Apex Pro 16 (4-PW), KBS Tour-V 120x
    Callaway Apex MB 18 (AW), DG S-300
    Callaway MD4 Raw 54.10 & 60.08, DG S-300
    Taylormade Spider X TP, 35"
  • collingsom1acollingsom1a Chicago, ILMembers Posts: 837 ✭✭
    keith723 wrote:

    Booker wrote:


    117mph and only 162mph ballspeed is a very poor smash factor, something isn't adding up here. Almost 18 degrees of launch would be the highest ball flight on the Pga tour by miles.




    My launch angle has always been over 15* - lately closer to 17* to 18*...so yes, I hit the ball crazy high.







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  • DFS PFDDFS PFD Members Posts: 877 ✭✭
    Why didn't you put the weights in the same position and use the same shaft?
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    50* MG Raw Tour issue S400
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    J-DAY Spider
  • PatsNationPatsNation Members Posts: 1,504 ✭✭
    OG Epic Sub Zero is a great driver
  • tbone18tbone18 Members Posts: 489 ✭✭
    DFS PFD wrote:


    Why didn't you put the weights in the same position and use the same shaft?
    because u can't. the EFSZ has a sliding back weight. aftermarket weights are not available yet.
    CALLAWAY BIG BERTHA 815 HYBRID 20,23 / MATRIX HM3 105
    MIURA CB-1007 5-PW / ALDILA RIP TOUR 115
    TAYLORMADE HIGH TOE 50,54,58
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    TESTING IN PROGRESS
    EPIC FLASH SUB ZERO 9* / ALDILA ROGUE SILVER 110 70 X-FLEX
    PING G410 PLUS 9* / PROJECT X EVENFLOW BLACK 75 6.5
    HONMA TW737VN 5-10 / ALDILA RIP TOUR 115
  • tbone18tbone18 Members Posts: 489 ✭✭
    keith723 wrote:


    I had a chance to hit the Epic Flash Sub Zero 9* vs. my gamer, Epic Sub Zero 9*



    Epic Flash Sub Zero was 9* in neutral settings and had the Tensei CK Pro White 70-TX @ 45.75" (plays as an x flex, just marked tx since it's the CK Pro line)



    Epic Sub Zero was 9* in neutral settings, heavy weight forward, and had Diamana White D+ 70-X @ 45"



    I've owned a couple of Rogue Sub Zero's over the years but they always spun quite a bit more than the Epic, so I always went back to my Epic as I was longer and forgiveness was the same. Rogue Sub Zero also seemed a bit draw-biased to me vs. the Epic Sub Zero.



    Not exactly apples to apples since they were different shafts, albeit, very similar - other than the length of the shaft being longer with the Epic Flash SZ.



    Also, not sure how to put the heavy weight forward in the Epic Flash Sub Zero - maybe you have to order different weights?? The guys at the PGA Tour Superstore were not sure - if anyone is knowledgeable here, please let me know!



    Epic Flash Sub Zero - 9*, Tensei CK Pro White 70-TX @ 45.75" (heavyweight back)

    **(best of 5 swings)

    Ball Speed: 162 mph

    Avg. Clubhead speed: 117.1 mph

    Launch: 17.9*

    Backspin: 1996

    Carry: 298 yds

    Total Distance: 327 yds





    Epic Sub Zero - 9*, Diamana White D+ 70-X @ 45" (heavyweight forward)

    **(best of 5 swings)

    Ball Speed: 165 mph

    Avg. Clubhead speed: 116.7 mph

    Launch: 17.4*

    Backspin: 1855

    Carry: 313 yds

    Total Distance: 336 yds



    I'm not really looking to replace my Epic Sub Zero, since I hit it so well, but always curious when the new stuff comes out. Epic Flash Sub Zero is much louder! Almost sounds like a Ping driver, but it's hot off the face and pretty low-spin, even with the heavy weight back. I'm really curious to hit this in a heavy-weight forward setting. It's not completely obnoxious, but louder than my Epic SZ.
    why didn't u try your gamer shaft in the EFSZ? sounds like the 45" length driver is a better fit. Plus it would give u more of a true test against your gamer.
    CALLAWAY BIG BERTHA 815 HYBRID 20,23 / MATRIX HM3 105
    MIURA CB-1007 5-PW / ALDILA RIP TOUR 115
    TAYLORMADE HIGH TOE 50,54,58
    PXG BAT ATTACK BLACK CENTER SHAFT

    TESTING IN PROGRESS
    EPIC FLASH SUB ZERO 9* / ALDILA ROGUE SILVER 110 70 X-FLEX
    PING G410 PLUS 9* / PROJECT X EVENFLOW BLACK 75 6.5
    HONMA TW737VN 5-10 / ALDILA RIP TOUR 115
  • tbone18tbone18 Members Posts: 489 ✭✭
    Don't know where 45.75" came from for the EFSZ, Callaway's stock length is 45.50" for all shafts.
    CALLAWAY BIG BERTHA 815 HYBRID 20,23 / MATRIX HM3 105
    MIURA CB-1007 5-PW / ALDILA RIP TOUR 115
    TAYLORMADE HIGH TOE 50,54,58
    PXG BAT ATTACK BLACK CENTER SHAFT

    TESTING IN PROGRESS
    EPIC FLASH SUB ZERO 9* / ALDILA ROGUE SILVER 110 70 X-FLEX
    PING G410 PLUS 9* / PROJECT X EVENFLOW BLACK 75 6.5
    HONMA TW737VN 5-10 / ALDILA RIP TOUR 115
  • keith723keith723 ClubWRX Posts: 2,044 ClubWRX
    FWIW - I was mainly wanting to see if there were big differences in ball speed & see roughly how much the EFSZ was spinning in the standard setting. Even with a 2g weight forward - the Epic Flash is very low spin, much lower than Rogue SZ & lower than my Epic SZ in the standard setting (usually in the Sims I’m spinning my Epic SZ 2200 with the heavy weight back).
    TaylorMade M5 9*, PX Evenflow T1100 White 65 6.5 @ 45"
    Callaway Epic 15*, Fubuki K 70-X
    PING G410 Hybrid 19*, PX Evenflow Black 85 6.5
    Callaway Apex Pro 16 (4-PW), KBS Tour-V 120x
    Callaway Apex MB 18 (AW), DG S-300
    Callaway MD4 Raw 54.10 & 60.08, DG S-300
    Taylormade Spider X TP, 35"
  • danman44danman44 Members Posts: 71 ✭✭

    Ive got a 9degree with smoke hazrdus 44.5 on order to replace my old R11.. cants wait to get my mitts on it

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