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EPIC FLASH SUB ZERO DIAMOND HEADS???? (Pics added page 7)

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tbone18tbone18 COLUMBUS, OHIO 525WRX Points: 84Members Posts: 525
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Does anyone know what is the major differences are between the 3 diamond heads on the USGA website? Plus these have been popping up on Tour now. Thanks for any info.
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  • mackepamackepa #TheWRX  3681WRX Points: 241Members Posts: 3,681
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    Looks a little deeper in pictures. Could also be a smaller head.
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  • TheMoneyShotTheMoneyShot ***FIGJAM/Twirl of Doom***  31373WRX Points: 1,345Members Posts: 31,373
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    Whatever it is, I’m sure it’s better than the retail offering:)
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  • tbone18tbone18 COLUMBUS, OHIO 525WRX Points: 84Members Posts: 525
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    Whatever it is, I’m sure it’s better than the retail offering:)
    if you mean quieter, then you didn't hear Leishman's at the Sony.
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  • tobybeartobybear  1501WRX Points: 95Members, Media Staffer Posts: 1,501
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    Looks to be more rounded along the back, so I suspect its a smaller head.



    Looks pretty sharp
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  • DTown3011DTown3011 #DTown3011  3619WRX Points: 230ClubWRX Posts: 3,619
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    No seam line on the crown either. Would be interesting to know about the differences.
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  • SirHoselRocketSirHoselRocket  275WRX Points: 0Members Posts: 275
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    I’m sure more will get out sooner than later.
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  • DoNDoNDoNDoN Buying a game  433WRX Points: 78Members Posts: 433
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    I was told the diamonds are to reflect face angle. The three diamond head would be the most open.
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  • GolfingfanaticGolfingfanatic  3284WRX Points: 367Members Posts: 3,284
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    Pure speculation, but I could see one of the diamond heads being modeled after the Epic Forged. 450cc, slightly deeper face and a more rounded shape.
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  • elwhippyelwhippy  3325WRX Points: 299Members Posts: 3,325
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    Diamond Head were a great band. Right at the heart of NWOBHM. As for the heads I imagine they are spin and hook killers....as in no need for them to come to retail.
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  • DannyNooninDannyNoonin  123WRX Points: 65Members Posts: 123
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    It will be interesting to see if any guys on tour playing the Flash choose the non diamond "retail" version. So far I believe we are two for two on guys using the diamond versions (Garrigus and Stroud).
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  • radimanradiman  4730WRX Points: 352Members Posts: 4,730
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    DoNDoN wrote:


    I was told the diamonds are to reflect face angle. The three diamond head would be the most open.




    Granted, we haven't seen detailed pictures. But, there are some pics on the USGA conforming list. The diamond heads all appear to be different shapes and sizes.
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  • callaway.7callaway.7  165WRX Points: 15Members Posts: 165
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    On the GolfWRX instagram post about Min Woo Lee's witb, his flash subzero is the three diamond version. To me, comparing the photos on the USGA website, the 3 star version looks significantly longer front to back than the other versions.



    Retail version:



    https://www.usga.org/equipment/images/conf_clubs/20180508.jpg



    3 Star Version:



    https://www.usga.org/equipment/images/conf_clubs/20180601.jpg
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  • GolfingfanaticGolfingfanatic  3284WRX Points: 367Members Posts: 3,284
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    callaway.7 wrote:


    On the GolfWRX instagram post about Min Woo Lee's witb, his flash subzero is the three diamond version. To me, comparing the photos on the USGA website, the 3 star version looks significantly longer front to back than the other versions.



    Retail version:



    https://www.usga.org...bs/20180508.jpg



    3 Star Version:



    https://www.usga.org...bs/20180601.jpg




    Difficult to say. The angles and distances from which the pictures were taken are different between the two.
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    callaway.7 wrote:


    On the GolfWRX instagram post about Min Woo Lee's witb, his flash subzero is the three diamond version. To me, comparing the photos on the USGA website, the 3 star version looks significantly longer front to back than the other versions.



    Retail version:



    https://www.usga.org/equipment/images/conf_clubs/20180508.jpg



    3 Star Version:



    https://www.usga.org/equipment/images/conf_clubs/20180601.jpg


    Agree
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  • jedidanjedidan  344WRX Points: 61Lefty Boomers Posts: 344
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    Would love a head without the line on the top. And if they really are varying levels of open-ness, ill need the triple diamond. but my only chance of getting a lefty one is if i steal it out of phils bag when he isnt looking image/ninja.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':ninja:' />
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  • SirHoselRocketSirHoselRocket  275WRX Points: 0Members Posts: 275
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    Or Cody Gribble.....or John Chin
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    Or Cody Gribble.....or John Chin


    My man! Good looking out.
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  • kadeyoung6kadeyoung6  159WRX Points: 28Members Posts: 159
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    It designates a difference in CG for each one. 3 diamonds is what most guys are gravitating towards.



    There were a few different Rogue SZ heads with different amounts of spin as well (Rogue SZ-V and others had different serial numbers), so the diamonds is just an easier way to delineate between the different heads.
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  • SirHoselRocketSirHoselRocket  275WRX Points: 0Members Posts: 275
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    Not just CG difference but other super duper secret side sauce as well.....
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  • DTown3011DTown3011 #DTown3011  3619WRX Points: 230ClubWRX Posts: 3,619
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    Add Ollie Schneiderjans to the list plying triple diamond.
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  • joeferbjoeferb  321WRX Points: 41Members Posts: 321
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    Callaway usually has a smaller CG, Tour-Only offering, and have used the "double black diamond" in the past to designate the lowering spinning, lower CG, "harder to hit" version of their offerings. I would have to imagine this is some sort of continuation on that trend, likely somewhere in the 440cc range and deeper faced. Pics can be deceiving when they aren't in the same photo side-by-side.
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  • callaway.7callaway.7  165WRX Points: 15Members Posts: 165
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    The more posts I see with Callaway staff players using the Flash Sub Zero, the more I see these 3 diamond heads in use. Sergio, Garrigus, etc. It makes me wonder what it is about these heads that makes them so popular with the tour pros. What does the tour head have that the retail version doesn't?
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    Callaway drivers are going the way of Scotty Cameron with all their staffers playing tour only models
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  • radimanradiman  4730WRX Points: 352Members Posts: 4,730
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    Boognish wrote:


    Callaway drivers are going the way of Scotty Cameron with all their staffers playing tour only models




    Something about it bothers me. If the driver works for me, that's great. But I didn't like when TM did this either. They have these pros touting the companies latest and greatest. When in all reality, they're playing a completely different club.
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    radiman wrote:

    Boognish wrote:


    Callaway drivers are going the way of Scotty Cameron with all their staffers playing tour only models




    Something about it bothers me. If the driver works for me, that's great. But I didn't like when TM did this either. They have these pros touting the companies latest and greatest. When in all reality, they're playing a completely different club.




    I know tour issue designs are not new. But Callaway can't be thrilled all their pros want an alternate crown design.
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  • 1b!ggolfnut1b!ggolfnut  167WRX Points: 30Members Posts: 167
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    It has more to do with face design and CG I believe. The 2 diamond is for players that miss towards the toe, 3 diamonds I believe is high on the face and I don't know about 1 diamond.



    I have the 2 diamond and it is significantly better on my toe misses.
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    Make an epic flash with standard red accents, no line on the top, the exact shape as the razr fit xtreme at 440cc with the sound fixed and I’m in. Otherwise it’s the m5 tour or the g410.
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    It has more to do with face design and CG I believe. The 2 diamond is for players that miss towards the toe, 3 diamonds I believe is high on the face and I don't know about 1 diamond.



    I have the 2 diamond and it is significantly better on my toe misses.




    They all seem to be different shapes and sizes. I'd love to see some pics of your double diamond head if you were so inclined. Does the face seem taller? It looks more compact.
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    It has more to do with face design and CG I believe. The 2 diamond is for players that miss towards the toe, 3 diamonds I believe is high on the face and I don't know about 1 diamond.



    I have the 2 diamond and it is significantly better on my toe misses.




    That is a very interesting theory. With the artificial intelligence behind the face it would make sense for callaway to design club faces that suit certain misses better than other ones. Though you would think that if this is a possibility, why wouldn't they make this an option for the everyday consumer,? I have been a long time callaway loyalist, but this is putting a bad taste in my mouth. The thought that tour players are getting significantly superior product to than the consumer is aggravating. I am fully aware that for the majority of average golfers, a "strike specific" face is effectively useless. but for the more advanced players with a consistent, or predictable miss, why would they not want to provide them with the best possible driver?
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    If you look at the confirming photo of the 3 star it has the standard Epic Flash SZ weight. If you look at the photo linked by RdS22 if has what appears to be an older Epic weight in the front...



    I've tried the Epic Flash and it was good but span more than my Epic. I'd love to be able to put a heavier weight in the front but I don't want to increase the overall weight.
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