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  • nitramnitram WestOK, on the South Canadian Riviera Members  5815WRX Points: 467Handicap: -.6Posts: 5,815 Titanium Tees
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    This is the best analogy I've seen about the differences in the heads.

    I personally play a 9* 2D (8.7 actual) straight in and it has "fixed" my miss (towards the toe @ 10:00) with the standard EFSZ and 3D. It's also lower spin than the 3D around 600 RPM for me.

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    Exotics CBX 119 13.5* & 18* Accra TourZ 382 M5
    Exotics CBX 22* Accra TZ5-95H M5
    PING S55 5-P Mitsubishi MMT-125TX
    Chikara V1 Proto 52, 57, 60 Mitsubishi MMT-125 TX (9-iron)
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  • rich_s2rich_s2 wisconsinMembers  1035WRX Points: 805Handicap: 1.6Posts: 1,035 Platinum Tees
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    I have the triple diamond, its long, very long but I have a two way miss with it being so fade bias. Got fit for a Speedzone which gave me a one way miss. I do absolutely love the look of the triple diamond though.

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  • pdiddy3pdiddy3 Members  372WRX Points: 79Posts: 372 Greens
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    Which one of these heads would most likely compare to the cobra f9?

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  • clinkinfoclinkinfo Members  880WRX Points: 205Posts: 880 Golden Tee
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    So can anyone just simplify this whole discussion by filling out a chart, maybe something like (no clue if this is right):

    Bias Launch Spin

    epic sz Draw Mid Low

    1 diamond Draw Higher ~1 deg Higher ~500 rpm

    2 diamond High fade Low ~1 deg. Low (same as sz)

    3 diamond. Fade/n. Mid. Higher +300 rpm





    sorry, chart doesn’t show well. But there’s so much confusion about what the diamonds translate too in launch, be nice to have real number comparisons

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  • Hookasaurus RexHookasaurus Rex Purveyor of fine turf Members  1153WRX Points: 136Posts: 1,153 Platinum Tees
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    Anybody have any more experience with the single diamond? Is it same or lower spin than triple diamond? Same or lower in forgiveness? I’ve read the thread, but there is a lot of conflicting info, haha. Thanks!

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    Callaway EF SZ Triple💎10.5*(-1D) Aldila Copperhead 60TX
    TItleist TS2 16.5* FW Tensei AV Blue 75X
    Ping G410 19* Hybrid Evenflow Black 85 6.0
    Taylormade p790 4-GW Project X LZ 6.0
    🐍King Black 54*, 58* Modus Wedge 115
    PXG🦇Attack Extreme Darkness 35” 375g
  • noodle3872noodle3872 Chilliwack B.C. CanadaMembers  3286WRX Points: 608Handicap: 8.3Posts: 3,286 Titanium Tees
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    Triple Diamond is the highest spin of the EF Diamond heads. I feel as spin drops, in most cases so does forgiveness.

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    Callaway Mavrik 9° driver Tensei Pro White 50 S Flex

    Callaway Mavrik 15° fairway wood Tensei Pro Blue 60 S Flex

    Callaway Mavrik 20° and 23° hybrids MMT 90 S Flex

    Mizuno JPX 919 Forged 4-PW Modus3 Tour 120 S flex

    Mizuno JPX 919 Tour 4-PW Modus3 Tour 120 S flex

    Mizuno T20 Raw Wedges 50-07, 55-13 and 60-06 Modus3 125 Wedge

    Odyssey Stroke Lab Ten S

    Callaway Chrome Soft Triple Track

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  • Hookasaurus RexHookasaurus Rex Purveyor of fine turf Members  1153WRX Points: 136Posts: 1,153 Platinum Tees
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    Thanks. I’m trying to decide if I want to go in on a single or triple diamond. I’m thinking the Double will be too low spin and consequently too unforgiving for me. Do you know how much higher spin the 3D is on avg when compared to the 1D?

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    Callaway EF SZ Triple💎10.5*(-1D) Aldila Copperhead 60TX
    TItleist TS2 16.5* FW Tensei AV Blue 75X
    Ping G410 19* Hybrid Evenflow Black 85 6.0
    Taylormade p790 4-GW Project X LZ 6.0
    🐍King Black 54*, 58* Modus Wedge 115
    PXG🦇Attack Extreme Darkness 35” 375g
  • nitramnitram WestOK, on the South Canadian Riviera Members  5815WRX Points: 467Handicap: -.6Posts: 5,815 Titanium Tees
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    Personally I saw a 600 RPM difference between the triple and the double.

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    JBeam BM-435 Blackout 9* Accra TZ5 65 M5
    Exotics CBX 119 13.5* & 18* Accra TourZ 382 M5
    Exotics CBX 22* Accra TZ5-95H M5
    PING S55 5-P Mitsubishi MMT-125TX
    Chikara V1 Proto 52, 57, 60 Mitsubishi MMT-125 TX (9-iron)
    Cameron 009 Prototype (A010656)
  • evansezeevanseze Me & my better half Members  894WRX Points: 87Handicap: 4.6Posts: 894 Golden Tee
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    Well...since I couldn’t get the answers I was seeking, I just went ahead and bought a single and a double diamond EF SZ off of eBay. Once I get the heads in I will head over to my local club builder that has a trackman system and compare numbers on both heads with the same shaft and also put it up against my OG Epic SZ. I will post back on to this thread once I get the comparison completed.

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    Callaway Customs Epic SZ 9* Atmos Black 7s
    Exotics CBX 13.5* speeder 757
    Adams LS 19* PX Hb6
    Srixon 745/545 Nippon Tour 125s
    Odyssey Backstryke blade SS 2.0
    Cleveland CBX 54* 60*
  • HedgehogHedgehog EUMembers  543WRX Points: 228Handicap: 5Posts: 543 Golden Tee
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    Anyone know whats the difference in the Tour version of the regular Epic Flash?

    The only difference I have found out is the lack of the line on the crown and also that there is a 8.5° option.

    Would be interested in finding out if there is anything else that is different, maybe a CG difference or a trajectory bias?

    I think Van Rooyen, Stenson and Min Woo Lee have had a win with this head.

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  • 3wood3wood Members  551WRX Points: 141Posts: 551 Golden Tee
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    I recently bought a double diamond 10.5. I was concerned about the low spin as well. Hit it for the first time on Sunday and absolutely love it. High flat tee shots. To me it looks to have a deeper face than the original flash sz. I couldn’t hit the triple to save my life. I’m using a diamana df 60tx.

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  • nitramnitram WestOK, on the South Canadian Riviera Members  5815WRX Points: 467Handicap: -.6Posts: 5,815 Titanium Tees
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    This is the best analogy I have seen on the Diamond heads.

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    JBeam BM-435 Blackout 9* Accra TZ5 65 M5
    Exotics CBX 119 13.5* & 18* Accra TourZ 382 M5
    Exotics CBX 22* Accra TZ5-95H M5
    PING S55 5-P Mitsubishi MMT-125TX
    Chikara V1 Proto 52, 57, 60 Mitsubishi MMT-125 TX (9-iron)
    Cameron 009 Prototype (A010656)
  • Hookasaurus RexHookasaurus Rex Purveyor of fine turf Members  1153WRX Points: 136Posts: 1,153 Platinum Tees
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    What were the rates? Obviously, it would vary person to person, but curious what your spin numbers were. I noticed you have the 3D in the bag per your sig. Just a better overall fit?

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    Callaway EF SZ Triple💎10.5*(-1D) Aldila Copperhead 60TX
    TItleist TS2 16.5* FW Tensei AV Blue 75X
    Ping G410 19* Hybrid Evenflow Black 85 6.0
    Taylormade p790 4-GW Project X LZ 6.0
    🐍King Black 54*, 58* Modus Wedge 115
    PXG🦇Attack Extreme Darkness 35” 375g
  • nitramnitram WestOK, on the South Canadian Riviera Members  5815WRX Points: 467Handicap: -.6Posts: 5,815 Titanium Tees
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    2D-2110

    3D-2680. So really it was 570.

    I'm getting old and losing speed. If I was still above 115 on a consistent basis the 2D would be a no brainer. But I'm more 108-110 these days and need the spin.

    I'm also more accurate with the 3D and my fairways % is better by 11%.

    Hope this helps,

    Todd

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    JBeam BM-435 Blackout 9* Accra TZ5 65 M5
    Exotics CBX 119 13.5* & 18* Accra TourZ 382 M5
    Exotics CBX 22* Accra TZ5-95H M5
    PING S55 5-P Mitsubishi MMT-125TX
    Chikara V1 Proto 52, 57, 60 Mitsubishi MMT-125 TX (9-iron)
    Cameron 009 Prototype (A010656)
  • Hookasaurus RexHookasaurus Rex Purveyor of fine turf Members  1153WRX Points: 136Posts: 1,153 Platinum Tees
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    Thanks Todd. I’m in the same ss range. Mine is arriving soon. Hoping it hits the 2200-2400 range for me. I love my LTD Pro, but I can’t consistently launch it or spin it enough even at 9.5-10*. I hit some bombs, but also some that fall out of the sky. I miss high and high toe and it seemed the triple diamond was the one to get. Thanks.

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    Callaway EF SZ Triple💎10.5*(-1D) Aldila Copperhead 60TX
    TItleist TS2 16.5* FW Tensei AV Blue 75X
    Ping G410 19* Hybrid Evenflow Black 85 6.0
    Taylormade p790 4-GW Project X LZ 6.0
    🐍King Black 54*, 58* Modus Wedge 115
    PXG🦇Attack Extreme Darkness 35” 375g
  • bradt588bradt588 Bradt588 Members  231WRX Points: 76Posts: 231 Fairways
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    I ordered 2 Diamond... SS 112-113 my setup is usually 8.5 with good launch numbers, so if need be I could go to 9.5 but I think I have to take spin down, trying to get 2200 spin rate !!

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    CALLAWAY
    Epic Flash 2 Diamond 9*  Tensei Orange Pro 60x
    Rogue 3w 13.5* Diamana Thump 75x
    MIZUNO
    Mp20 HMB 4 iron4 Modus 105x
    Jpx 919T 5-pw   Modus 105x
    T20 Gap 50* Modus 125x
    Callaway Mack Daddy 4
    * 54* 60* Tour 130x
    Odyssey
    Stroke Lab #7 


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  • nitramnitram WestOK, on the South Canadian Riviera Members  5815WRX Points: 467Handicap: -.6Posts: 5,815 Titanium Tees
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    The 2D ought to get you there.

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    JBeam BM-435 Blackout 9* Accra TZ5 65 M5
    Exotics CBX 119 13.5* & 18* Accra TourZ 382 M5
    Exotics CBX 22* Accra TZ5-95H M5
    PING S55 5-P Mitsubishi MMT-125TX
    Chikara V1 Proto 52, 57, 60 Mitsubishi MMT-125 TX (9-iron)
    Cameron 009 Prototype (A010656)
  • theadvocate_ivantheadvocate_ivan Members  440WRX Points: 77Handicap: +2Posts: 440 Greens
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    Anyone still using their EFSZ Triple Diamond? If you could share your swing speed and shaft combo, would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!

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    Callaway Epic Flash Subzero Triple Diamond 10.5 down to 9.5 Diamana DF 60X
    Callaway Epic Flash Subzero 15* Mitsubishi Rayon Diamana BF 70X
    Titleist 818 H2 19* Tour AD DI 85X
    Srixon Z945 4-PW Modus 105X
    Titleist Vokey K Grind 54*
    Titleist Vokey K Grind 58* low bounce
    Bettinardi BB8 DASS RJB8158
  • third-times-a-charmthird-times-a-charm Members  3270WRX Points: 1,393Posts: 3,270 Titanium Tees
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    Looks like the 3D head is on CPO now, and with 30% off

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    Epic Flash - 44.75" D4 Pro 2.0 6 TS / 42" D3 ATMOS Blue 7 TS / 41" D2 Pro 2.0 7 / Epic - Apex 19 - Apex Pro 19 D2 1050Gh HSx1 / MD5 / Phantom X5 - X5.5 Shaft Swap SS Mid Slim 2.0

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    Anyone intereted in trading their 2D for my 3D?

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  • TigerInTheWoodsTigerInTheWoods Members  2656WRX Points: 1,669Handicap: 4Posts: 2,656 Titanium Tees
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    Anybody have a long term review of the single diamond? Playing 410 LST now but could use a bit more spin reduction while retaining some forgiveness.

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  • wdaig1wdaig1 Members  66WRX Points: 34Posts: 66 Bunkers
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    Also bumping this thread to see if people have tested the single diamond vs the regular SZ. I have a good deal on one but wanted to see if the launch was the same or if it was higher than regular SZ. The info in this thread is all over the place.

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  • SMUGamerSMUGamer Members  770WRX Points: 217Posts: 770 Golden Tee
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    What is it about the EFSZ that you're trying to improve on with the Diamond heads?

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  • wdaig1wdaig1 Members  66WRX Points: 34Posts: 66 Bunkers
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    I loved the EFSZ Head. Got all my woods stolen like a month and a half ago. Callaway won’t build my driver like they did before. Now even saying no more EFSZ heads, but I can get them online. I just want to know if a Diamond Head is better. Single Diamond seeks to be similar to the regular from what I have read. Just want to know the differences.

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  • clinkinfoclinkinfo Members  880WRX Points: 205Posts: 880 Golden Tee
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    I had the triple diamond and it was short, with way too much spin. I guess the point is get fitted for your own swing.

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  • Rogtsaamokin66Rogtsaamokin66 Members  269WRX Points: 71Posts: 269 Greens
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    Any more info Lately from you guys on double and triple diamond? And any of you moving into the Mavrik Tour issue triple diamond?

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  • TigerInTheWoodsTigerInTheWoods Members  2656WRX Points: 1,669Handicap: 4Posts: 2,656 Titanium Tees
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    Tested it. Pretty draw bias. Reasonably low spin. Still sounded pretty bad. Would be good to hot melt.

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  • theadvocate_ivantheadvocate_ivan Members  440WRX Points: 77Handicap: +2Posts: 440 Greens
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    Anyone stilly using the triple diamond? What shaft do you have on it?

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    Callaway Epic Flash Subzero Triple Diamond 10.5 down to 9.5 Diamana DF 60X
    Callaway Epic Flash Subzero 15* Mitsubishi Rayon Diamana BF 70X
    Titleist 818 H2 19* Tour AD DI 85X
    Srixon Z945 4-PW Modus 105X
    Titleist Vokey K Grind 54*
    Titleist Vokey K Grind 58* low bounce
    Bettinardi BB8 DASS RJB8158
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