Callaway Epic Flash Review

aklimszaaklimsza Members Posts: 13
Got the Epic Flash Driver Demo at work and I’ve had a chance to hit a few with it, overall with all of the new tech they’re pushing with it, I am not impressed. I didn’t see any big differences with my clubhead speed, ball speed, or carry/total. Only difference I can see from the Rogue is an increase of launch angle. With a 9* head I was launching on average of 11.5*. With an average clubhead speed of 115 that’s about a degree and a half higher than what I’d like to see. Spin numbers were OK right around the 2k mark, but I was only averaging 305 total with my highest being 313. If I had an X stiff shaft instead of just stiff I might’ve seen some difference but overall it’s not as good of a driver compared to the Rogue. In my opinion of course
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  • double or triple?double or triple? Members Posts: 1,979 ✭✭
    did you use the stock EF green that is shown in the photo?
  • Adam CAdam C Members Posts: 419 ✭✭
    You will never see much difference going from one model to the next years model unless the manufacturer has really gone in a different direction and that rarely happens. I think 5 year gaps you might be able to see differences of some significance. Everything else is smoke and mirrors and equals a yard here or there.
  • the bishopthe bishop Members Posts: 3,333 ✭✭
    I know its just the lighting or something but the sole looks like it has a crack in it already.
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  • aklimszaaklimsza Members Posts: 13
    edited Jan 16, 2019 3:28pm #5
    Yes I did use the EF Green Shaft, not a huge fan of it.

    The lighting does give the look of a crack

    I do wholeheartedly agree with you about the tech changes, I've just seen so much more online than usual about how much better this year's model is and I really think the rogue is a better club compared to the flash
  • HennerzHennerz Members Posts: 109
    I have used the flash for 36 holes so far. I previously had the epic. I found it to be a little bit longer in distance however the real improvement I found was in mishits it was far more forgiving. Sound is a bit different to my old epic but for me the results is worth the upgrade
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  • Eric05Eric05 Members Posts: 505 ✭✭
    I think its a great looking club. But is there much change in the model vs. last year or the year before. No! Manufacturers, do whatever they can to try and create an image to change. Reality, twist face, flash face, this face, that face. We brought the tolerance to the max. To make it faster. It's tiring. I am a club hoe. I admit it. I like the latest and greatest. I rather them just put out, here is our 2019 product. Its going to give you the same results. Thanks! O Btw we raised the price too.
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  • radimanradiman Members Posts: 4,718 ✭✭
    edited Jan 16, 2019 4:04pm #8
    I am just looking for the same performance that I got with the Rogue SZ in a better looking package. If it can do that, I am happy.



    You tested that club with a noodle of a shaft that was at least a flex too soft. I am guessing that this Evenflow Green is a shaft that is only in existence because Callaway asked for it. Probably soft and high launching. Could explain the 1.5* of extra launch you are getting.
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  • buckeyefan23buckeyefan23 Members Posts: 180 ✭✭
    Any thoughts on the sound of the driver? Quite a few people putting it in the "loud" category.
  • chris975dchris975d GeorgiaClubWRX Posts: 1,924 ClubWRX
    radiman wrote:


    I am just looking for the same performance that I got with the Rogue SZ in a better looking package. If it can do that, I am happy.



    You tested that club with a noodle of a shaft that was at least a flex too soft. I am guessing that this Evenflow Green is a shaft that is only in existence because Callaway asked for it. Probably soft and high launching. Could explain the 1.5* of extra launch you are getting.




    Hasn't the Flash been launching higher than previous similarly lofted clubs for most people though?
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  • radimanradiman Members Posts: 4,718 ✭✭
    chris975d wrote:

    radiman wrote:


    I am just looking for the same performance that I got with the Rogue SZ in a better looking package. If it can do that, I am happy.



    You tested that club with a noodle of a shaft that was at least a flex too soft. I am guessing that this Evenflow Green is a shaft that is only in existence because Callaway asked for it. Probably soft and high launching. Could explain the 1.5* of extra launch you are getting.




    Hasn't the Flash been launching higher than previous similarly lofted clubs for most people though?




    From what I have read, yes. But, I would imagine his launch would come down with a stouter shaft. Don't know how much. I just think using the Evenflow Green and then writing it off is a mistake. Especially if he is an X flex guy. Just like the online reviews. If you are comparing two heads and using two completely different shafts with different characteristics, it is hard to really make a sound judgement. If he were to say that it is obnoxiously loud and tinny feeling, or that he didn't like the look behind the ball, those are statements I can believe. To say it's a lesser club than what he has all the while using a shaft that is far from a fit for him is jumping to conclusions. I don't expect him to see any distance gains as that doesn't appear to be the trend, no matter how much Callaway would like us to believe.
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  • chris975dchris975d GeorgiaClubWRX Posts: 1,924 ClubWRX
    radiman wrote:
    chris975d wrote:

    radiman wrote:


    I am just looking for the same performance that I got with the Rogue SZ in a better looking package. If it can do that, I am happy.



    You tested that club with a noodle of a shaft that was at least a flex too soft. I am guessing that this Evenflow Green is a shaft that is only in existence because Callaway asked for it. Probably soft and high launching. Could explain the 1.5* of extra launch you are getting.




    Hasn't the Flash been launching higher than previous similarly lofted clubs for most people though?




    From what I have read, yes. But, I would imagine his launch would come down with a stouter shaft. Don't know how much. I just think using the Evenflow Green and then writing it off is a mistake. Especially if he is an X flex guy. Just like the online reviews. If you are comparing two heads and using two completely different shafts with different characteristics, it is hard to really make a sound judgement. If he were to say that it is obnoxiously loud and tinny feeling, or that he didn't like the look behind the ball, those are statements I can believe. To say it's a lesser club than what he has all the while using a shaft that is far from a fit for him is jumping to conclusions. I don't expect him to see any distance gains as that doesn't appear to be the trend, no matter how much Callaway would like us to believe.




    Yeah, I gotcha. I kind of agree. Don't think the Green is a shaft it sounds like is intended for him. And as critical as I've been of the Flash, I don't think performance really drops off any from previous Callaway products. But nor do I think or see any distance increase, either. Marginally more forgiving, as should be expected from consecutive generations of products. But sound..holy s*** is it bad.
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  • cmatthews77cmatthews77 Tuscaloosa, ALMembers Posts: 848 ✭✭
    Eric05 wrote:


    I think its a great looking club. But is there much change in the model vs. last year or the year before. No! Manufacturers, do whatever they can to try and create an image to change. Reality, twist face, flash face, this face, that face. We brought the tolerance to the max. To make it faster. It's tiring. I am a club hoe. I admit it. I like the latest and greatest. I rather them just put out, here is our 2019 product. Its going to give you the same results. Thanks! O Btw we raised the price too.




    This!! Obviously they can’t do that for marketing purposes but I totally agree. Wouldn’t it be nice if it were more like automobiles? They manufacture them every year but they don’t “hype” them every year. If you’re in the market for a new car you get one. About every 3-4 years they re-design it. I wish club makers would also simplify the message rather than sell us garbage. I mean I’d rather hear... “with the success of Epic we kept that design but slightly tweaked X to slightly increase MOI on mishits”. Or “with this model we’ve moved the weight slightly more here to lower spin but it won’t quite as much MOI as y”
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  • cmatthews77cmatthews77 Tuscaloosa, ALMembers Posts: 848 ✭✭
    I have actually seen some nice gains hitting the Epic Flash Sub Zero against my Epic but it’s really more about fit. When I got fit for Epic whatever I was doing with my swing had me super low spin and I was also losing speed. We dropped weight and flex in the shaft and since I’ve even shortened the shaft to 44.5”.



    The result... 2+ years later and now I’m spinning it WAAAY too much. I’m launching at 16+ degrees with spin over 3000 most shots so my setup isn’t optimized.



    With that said, I could just pick up an Epic Sub Zero with the shaft changes I’m looking at and see the same gains as I’m seeing with the Flash Gordon Sub zero
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  • chris975dchris975d GeorgiaClubWRX Posts: 1,924 ClubWRX

    Eric05 wrote:


    I think its a great looking club. But is there much change in the model vs. last year or the year before. No! Manufacturers, do whatever they can to try and create an image to change. Reality, twist face, flash face, this face, that face. We brought the tolerance to the max. To make it faster. It's tiring. I am a club hoe. I admit it. I like the latest and greatest. I rather them just put out, here is our 2019 product. Its going to give you the same results. Thanks! O Btw we raised the price too.




    This!! Obviously they can't do that for marketing purposes but I totally agree. Wouldn't it be nice if it were more like automobiles? They manufacture them every year but they don't "hype" them every year. If you're in the market for a new car you get one. About every 3-4 years they re-design it. I wish club makers would also simplify the message rather than sell us garbage. I mean I'd rather hear... "with the success of Epic we kept that design but slightly tweaked X to slightly increase MOI on mishits". Or "with this model we've moved the weight slightly more here to lower spin but it won't quite as much MOI as y"




    Yep. Realistically it's all incremental improvements and refinements to existing designs. We can put a rover on Mars for goodness sakes, so it stands to reason that we've just about maximized what can be done with a golf club. Especially considering that there are USGA limits, and..honestly...materials science/physics limits to what can be done with our current materials. So basically we should see marginal and slight improvements on expanding the sweet spot with successive generations. That's the reality, and the associated reality with that is that there will/should be no large jumps in performance from one year to the next, at least in golf clubs. So...marketing departments have to latch on to any marginal improvement and embellish the **** out of it to the point that those of us that understand this get annoyed as all ****.
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  • 3 Jack Par3 Jack Par I only answer to "Ace" now Members, ClubWRX Posts: 6,120 ClubWRX
    Is there a reason you didn't try the Flash with the shaft from your Rogue? Seems like that would be the best way to do a good comparison between the two heads. The variable of a shaft that isn't a good fit for you in flex (and maybe profile -- I don't think you mentioned what you're currently using) seems like it would explain a lot of the differences you mentioned, especially the higher launch. It's entirely possible that even if you did an apples to apples test like that, you wouldn't see major differences compared to your Rogue, but it seems like those results would be a more informative comparison.
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  • radimanradiman Members Posts: 4,718 ✭✭
    3 Jack Par wrote:


    Is there a reason you didn't try the Flash with the shaft from your Rogue? Seems like that would be the best way to do a good comparison between the two heads. The variable of a shaft that isn't a good fit for you in flex (and maybe profile -- I don't think you mentioned what you're currently using) seems like it would explain a lot of the differences you mentioned, especially the higher launch. It's entirely possible that even if you did an apples to apples test like that, you wouldn't see major differences compared to your Rogue, but it seems like those results would be a more informative comparison.




    This sums up my thoughts as well. I appreciate him coming in to share his thoughts. I just don't like coming to a conclusion that it isn't as good when there is a big variable like that at play.
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  • zripp3zripp3 Members Posts: 648 ✭✭
    radiman wrote:

    3 Jack Par wrote:


    Is there a reason you didn't try the Flash with the shaft from your Rogue? Seems like that would be the best way to do a good comparison between the two heads. The variable of a shaft that isn't a good fit for you in flex (and maybe profile -- I don't think you mentioned what you're currently using) seems like it would explain a lot of the differences you mentioned, especially the higher launch. It's entirely possible that even if you did an apples to apples test like that, you wouldn't see major differences compared to your Rogue, but it seems like those results would be a more informative comparison.




    This sums up my thoughts as well. I appreciate him coming in to share his thoughts. I just don't like coming to a conclusion that it isn't as good when there is a big variable like that at play.




    I'll chime in on this point as I went today to compare a few drivers to my gamer for the past 2 years - the 2015 GBB in 9* with a Speeder Evo II 569 stiff. I was fit into this driver a few years ago and have done 2 driver fittings since, both of which yielded no improvements worthy of purchasing a new driver despite my failed attempts anyway...



    I also have a Rogue 9* head that I use with the same shaft. I hit both the G400 Max 9* (also with a Evo II 569 stiff - I have one with a Ping tip) and the Epic Flash 9* with both the EF green 55 stiff and my Evo II.



    Average numbers after 15-20 balls:



    GBB Evo II -

    ball speed - 142.14

    launch - 14.1

    spin - 1943.4

    carry - 246.2

    total - 266.4



    G400 Max -

    141.3

    14.1

    2656

    234

    253



    Epic Flash with Evo II -

    142.2

    14.3

    2204

    243

    264



    Epic Flash with EF Green 55 -

    142.3

    15.2

    2156

    244

    266



    The Flash with the EF 55 was "fun" to hit, more with that shaft than my own. It gave me the feeling of wanting to hit the ball hard, but the numbers don't bear out that I actually did that. Dispersion was similar with all of them. I'm sure there's a level of comfort/familiarity with my driver that I simply can't replicate in 1 session of hitting something new, but it's clear (at least to me) that I'm not going to gain much dropping money on a new driver.
  • radimanradiman Members Posts: 4,718 ✭✭
    zripp3 wrote:

    radiman wrote:

    3 Jack Par wrote:


    Is there a reason you didn't try the Flash with the shaft from your Rogue? Seems like that would be the best way to do a good comparison between the two heads. The variable of a shaft that isn't a good fit for you in flex (and maybe profile -- I don't think you mentioned what you're currently using) seems like it would explain a lot of the differences you mentioned, especially the higher launch. It's entirely possible that even if you did an apples to apples test like that, you wouldn't see major differences compared to your Rogue, but it seems like those results would be a more informative comparison.




    This sums up my thoughts as well. I appreciate him coming in to share his thoughts. I just don't like coming to a conclusion that it isn't as good when there is a big variable like that at play.




    I'll chime in on this point as I went today to compare a few drivers to my gamer for the past 2 years - the 2015 GBB in 9* with a Speeder Evo II 569 stiff. I was fit into this driver a few years ago and have done 2 driver fittings since, both of which yielded no improvements worthy of purchasing a new driver despite my failed attempts anyway...



    I also have a Rogue 9* head that I use with the same shaft. I hit both the G400 Max 9* (also with a Evo II 569 stiff - I have one with a Ping tip) and the Epic Flash 9* with both the EF green 55 stiff and my Evo II.



    Average numbers after 15-20 balls:



    GBB Evo II -

    ball speed - 142.14

    launch - 14.1

    spin - 1943.4

    carry - 246.2

    total - 266.4



    G400 Max -

    141.3

    14.1

    2656

    234

    253



    Epic Flash with Evo II -

    142.2

    14.3

    2204

    243

    264



    Epic Flash with EF Green 55 -

    142.3

    15.2

    2156

    244

    266



    The Flash with the EF 55 was "fun" to hit, more with that shaft than my own. It gave me the feeling of wanting to hit the ball hard, but the numbers don't bear out that I actually did that. Dispersion was similar with all of them. I'm sure there's a level of comfort/familiarity with my driver that I simply can't replicate in 1 session of hitting something new, but it's clear (at least to me) that I'm not going to gain much dropping money on a new driver.




    The only thing a guy can really hope for is intangibles that we want to see and hear, and maybe a little added ball speed on off center hits. I think the days of one driver being significantly longer than others is over. If you have something you like, that's great! I'm searching for something that looks better after playing the Rogue last year.
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  • zripp3zripp3 Members Posts: 648 ✭✭
    Lots of reasons to get something new, and looks are a big one. I'm a sound guy - it can't sound bad at impact. I love the way the Rogue sounds which is really the only reason I bought one. The dull thud is pleasing. I simply wanted to respond to your comment about an apples to apples comparison with my own results of an apples to apples comparison. Good luck in your search and have fun with it.
  • 3 Jack Par3 Jack Par I only answer to "Ace" now Members, ClubWRX Posts: 6,120 ClubWRX
    zripp3 wrote:

    radiman wrote:

    3 Jack Par wrote:


    Is there a reason you didn't try the Flash with the shaft from your Rogue? Seems like that would be the best way to do a good comparison between the two heads. The variable of a shaft that isn't a good fit for you in flex (and maybe profile -- I don't think you mentioned what you're currently using) seems like it would explain a lot of the differences you mentioned, especially the higher launch. It's entirely possible that even if you did an apples to apples test like that, you wouldn't see major differences compared to your Rogue, but it seems like those results would be a more informative comparison.




    This sums up my thoughts as well. I appreciate him coming in to share his thoughts. I just don't like coming to a conclusion that it isn't as good when there is a big variable like that at play.




    I'll chime in on this point as I went today to compare a few drivers to my gamer for the past 2 years - the 2015 GBB in 9* with a Speeder Evo II 569 stiff. I was fit into this driver a few years ago and have done 2 driver fittings since, both of which yielded no improvements worthy of purchasing a new driver despite my failed attempts anyway...



    I also have a Rogue 9* head that I use with the same shaft. I hit both the G400 Max 9* (also with a Evo II 569 stiff - I have one with a Ping tip) and the Epic Flash 9* with both the EF green 55 stiff and my Evo II.



    Average numbers after 15-20 balls:



    GBB Evo II -

    ball speed - 142.14

    launch - 14.1

    spin - 1943.4

    carry - 246.2

    total - 266.4



    G400 Max -

    141.3

    14.1

    2656

    234

    253



    Epic Flash with Evo II -

    142.2

    14.3

    2204

    243

    264



    Epic Flash with EF Green 55 -

    142.3

    15.2

    2156

    244

    266



    The Flash with the EF 55 was "fun" to hit, more with that shaft than my own. It gave me the feeling of wanting to hit the ball hard, but the numbers don't bear out that I actually did that. Dispersion was similar with all of them. I'm sure there's a level of comfort/familiarity with my driver that I simply can't replicate in 1 session of hitting something new, but it's clear (at least to me) that I'm not going to gain much dropping money on a new driver.


    Now, this is how you test driver heads.
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  • tiger-vs-metiger-vs-me Members Posts: 84 ✭✭
    it’s not the follower from the Rouge.

    The Rouge is a different thing.

    It’s the follower of the Epic.

    I like the sound better than the epic and with less Clubspeed it goes further.
  • jasonp87jasonp87 Members Posts: 2,114 ✭✭
    Worst sounding and feelibg driver.
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  • hef63303hef63303 Members Posts: 2,865 ✭✭
    Clearly, you tested the club with a poorly fitted shaft to you. No doubt the numbers would have been better had you tested a shaft that is designed for people with 115 mph club speed instead of the lightest shaft we make.
  • radimanradiman Members Posts: 4,718 ✭✭
    hef63303 wrote:


    Clearly, you tested the club with a poorly fitted shaft to you. No doubt the numbers would have been better had you tested a shaft that is designed for people with 115 mph club speed instead of the lightest shaft we make.




    We? Are you with either Callaway or True Temper?
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    Callaway Epic Flash SZ 15* Evenflow Black 75 6.5
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    Callaway 2016 Apex Pro 4-PW KBS 130X
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  • Golfer from MOGolfer from MO Members Posts: 986 ✭✭
    After more testing, the flash sz launches a little higher than my rogue sz both with t1100. It spins about the same but has better toe misses above equator. Good driver terrible sound and colors.

    I also dont understand making a sequel to the flash and ignoring rogue totally. Why would you skip releases as rogue is pretty dam good

  • Rosco1216Rosco1216 Members Posts: 2,976 ✭✭
    edited Jan 17, 2019 4:04pm #27
    Hmmmmmmm. The only difference you see from the rogue is a higher launch at 11.5*? You also say spin is "ok" right around 2k? So what is the problem? If you were launching the rogue any lower and/or with less spin then you were less ideal than you are with the flash sub z and EF green.



    10-12* with 2k spin is my perfect launch conditions.
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    Piretti Matera 2 Limited Release


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  • Golfer from MOGolfer from MO Members Posts: 986 ✭✭
    Rosco1216 wrote:


    Hmmmmmmm. The only difference you see from the rogue is a higher launch at 11.5*? You also say spin is "ok" right around 2k? So what is the problem? If you were launching the rogue any lower and/or with less spin then you were less ideal than you are with the flash sub z and EF green.



    10-12* with 2k spin is my perfect launch conditions.


    Somewhat agree with this also. My launch target is 12.5 to 13 @ 2k so I dont know how 11.5 with 115 speed is too high but golf has a lot of personal preference options so JAT
  • KMo23KMo23 Members Posts: 144 ✭✭
    What’s the point in reviewing if it’s an incorrect shaft? Are you a fitter? If so you should be ashamed
  • hef63303hef63303 Members Posts: 2,865 ✭✭
    radiman wrote:

    hef63303 wrote:


    Clearly, you tested the club with a poorly fitted shaft to you. No doubt the numbers would have been better had you tested a shaft that is designed for people with 115 mph club speed instead of the lightest shaft we make.




    We? Are you with either Callaway or True Temper?
    Callaway
  • radimanradiman Members Posts: 4,718 ✭✭
    hef63303 wrote:

    radiman wrote:

    hef63303 wrote:


    Clearly, you tested the club with a poorly fitted shaft to you. No doubt the numbers would have been better had you tested a shaft that is designed for people with 115 mph club speed instead of the lightest shaft we make.




    We? Are you with either Callaway or True Temper?
    Callaway




    Gotcha. Must be a cool company to work for.
    Callaway Epic Flash SZ 9* HZRDUS Smoke Green "The Hulk" 60 6.5TX
    Callaway Epic Flash SZ 15* Evenflow Black 75 6.5
    Callaway X-Forged UT 21* w/Motore Speeder TS 8.8 X
    Callaway 2016 Apex Pro 4-PW KBS 130X
    Taylormade Spider X Navy/White 35"
    Callaway MD3 52, 56, 60
    All sitting comfortably in my Sun Mountain Sync Cart Bag
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