Scotty Cameron Phantom X Putters

JStangJStang Members Posts: 2,400 ✭✭
edited Apr 20, 2019 8:31pm in Putters #1
Just saw this on golf.com. Looks like a nice, modern approach to the Futura line. The 5.5 looks good.




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  • third-times-a-charmthird-times-a-charm Members Posts: 1,488 ✭✭
    He's really running out of ideas
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  • Rig14PortRig14Port Members Posts: 749 ✭✭
    edited Jan 22, 2019 1:43pm #3


    He's really running out of ideas




    I don't see where it's going to be possible to modify these with the welded flow neck that has been so popular with the X5 and 5W heads.



    The topline and face are one piece aluminum with stainless wings. Unless the heel wing has a stainless stub protruding up through the top that the flow neck could be welded too I'm not sure it can be done.



    I imagine this could impact sales if not an option for an aftermarket customization



    UPDATE: It does look like a stainless steel stub up through the aluminum topline but not going to be much room for welding. Mod capabilities TBD
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  • bladehunterbladehunter Today was a good day.... Members Posts: 25,824 ✭✭
    At some point acushnet board members have to take away his decision making provledges. He’s hurting the brand at this point.
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  • Golfer_1993Golfer_1993 Members Posts: 597 ✭✭
    It's driving me nuts they offer so few putters for lefties. Of the 18 putter models they will sell this year, only 4 are available for lefties: Newport 2, Newport 3, Phantom X7 and X7.5. I'm not asking for all 18, but I think he would sell more X5/5.5 than X7/7.5, and probably the Squareback would be popular too.
  • MattyO1984MattyO1984 Members Posts: 4,783 ✭✭
    The colour scheme, is just absolutely horrific! It's like they are trying to make more business for the custom shop with this release.
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  • Big BenBig Ben Members Posts: 8,972 ✭✭
    edited Jan 22, 2019 12:00pm #7
    I really like the X7 but that shabby yellow isn’t good man. I hope it’s much brighter in hand.
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  • DRRicksDRRicks Banned Posts: 2,444 ✭✭
    It looks like the insert is gone...so, baby-steps to making quality putters again?
  • madaboutgolfmadaboutgolf Members Posts: 1,005 ✭✭
    churning out models like spaghetti ...
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    The 8X looks a lot like



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  • VNutzVNutz Members Posts: 6,092 ✭✭
    DRRicks wrote:


    It looks like the insert is gone...so, baby-steps to making quality putters again?




    The entire black portion of the head is the insert material. They haven't done away with it, they've made it bigger.
  • jtitleist12jtitleist12 Members Posts: 2,999 ✭✭
    The best part is these are going to retail for $429!



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  • Lacey UnderallLacey Underall Members Posts: 1,173
    I'd like to see the 12 from the top line view. Looks pretty crazy.



    Scotty is obsessed with his putter lab and trying to get a better "roll." Meanwhile, its a putter for crying out loud. Just go back to making stuff that looks and feels good.
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  • BrizamBrizam Junkie ClubWRX Posts: 954 ClubWRX
    Scotty for me has got to the point where the only ones that are desirable are the Circle T blades and mid mallets. And I'm sure not dropping that much coin on a putter. That would be my whole putter buying budget for the year.....
  • Rig14PortRig14Port Members Posts: 749 ✭✭
    VNutz wrote:

    DRRicks wrote:


    It looks like the insert is gone...so, baby-steps to making quality putters again?




    The entire black portion of the head is the insert material. They haven't done away with it, they've made it bigger.




    yeah, still an aluminum face like the inserts of late.



    BTW... this is A LOT more aluminum and A LOT less stainless than the previous models. That means the material costs should have decreased substantially yet the MSRP seems to be increasing. Designs also look like there will be considerably less stainless "waste" from the milling process (SS components not as deep or intricate so smaller blocks of SS and less cut-away material). Scotty trying to pick up some serious margin here...
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  • VNutzVNutz Members Posts: 6,092 ✭✭
    Rig14Port wrote:



    He's really running out of ideas




    I don't see where it's going to be possible to modify these with the welded flow neck that has been so popular with the X5 and 5W heads.



    The topline and face are one piece aluminum with stainless wings. Unless the heel wing has a stainless stub protruding up through the top that the flow neck could be welded too I'm not sure it can be done.



    I imagine this could impact sales if not an option for an aftermarket customization




    In looking at the Cameron website, it looks like there are .5 models for several of these heads. The standard model is what they are calling a mid bend and near face balanced, where the .5 model is a low bend shaft offering the putter head more flow. Sounds similar to the 5.5M heads.



    I'm no welder but it does seem you're right in that there might be challenges faced with trying to weld necks to aluminum heads.
  • jrshelbyjrshelby Members Posts: 1,143 ✭✭
    VNutz wrote:

    Rig14Port wrote:



    He's really running out of ideas




    I don't see where it's going to be possible to modify these with the welded flow neck that has been so popular with the X5 and 5W heads.



    The topline and face are one piece aluminum with stainless wings. Unless the heel wing has a stainless stub protruding up through the top that the flow neck could be welded too I'm not sure it can be done.



    I imagine this could impact sales if not an option for an aftermarket customization




    In looking at the Cameron website, it looks like there are .5 models for several of these heads. The standard model is what they are calling a mid bend and near face balanced, where the .5 model is a low bend shaft offering the putter head more flow. Sounds similar to the 5.5M heads.



    I'm no welder but it does seem you're right in that there might be challenges faced with trying to weld necks to aluminum heads.
    the necks are all steel if you look close.
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  • DFS PFDDFS PFD Members Posts: 869 ✭✭
    He's increasing is margins for sure, has enough collectors to keep him happy, and now makes the production putters targeted at people who are gonna buy anything that says Scotty Cameron regardless of how repulsive or lackluster it may be.
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  • cforseliuscforselius Members Posts: 337 ✭✭
    Rig14Port wrote:

    VNutz wrote:

    DRRicks wrote:


    It looks like the insert is gone...so, baby-steps to making quality putters again?




    The entire black portion of the head is the insert material. They haven't done away with it, they've made it bigger.




    yeah, still an aluminum face like the inserts of late.



    BTW... this is A LOT more aluminum and A LOT less stainless than the previous models. That means the material costs should have decreased substantially yet the MSRP seems to be increasing. Designs also look like there will be considerably less stainless "waste" from the milling process (SS components not as deep or intricate so smaller blocks of SS and less cut-away material). Scotty trying to pick up some serious margin here...




    I dont know how it is on your side of the pond but here aluminum is more expensive than Stainless steel. So you got that wrong. He is still using the same weight system i.e 10g/15g/20g so the ratio should be approximately the same.



    From a manufacturing standpoint I dont think he has optimized the "waste" any more than before. All designs are optimized to keep manufacturing costs down. Thats a big part on why they look like they do.
  • Lancj1Lancj1 Members Posts: 884 ✭✭
    I think they look superb - are you seriously telling me any of you prefer the look of a TM spider...... ?



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  • Rig14PortRig14Port Members Posts: 749 ✭✭
    edited Jan 22, 2019 2:47pm #22
    cforselius wrote:

    Rig14Port wrote:

    VNutz wrote:

    DRRicks wrote:


    It looks like the insert is gone...so, baby-steps to making quality putters again?




    The entire black portion of the head is the insert material. They haven't done away with it, they've made it bigger.




    yeah, still an aluminum face like the inserts of late.



    BTW... this is A LOT more aluminum and A LOT less stainless than the previous models. That means the material costs should have decreased substantially yet the MSRP seems to be increasing. Designs also look like there will be considerably less stainless "waste" from the milling process (SS components not as deep or intricate so smaller blocks of SS and less cut-away material). Scotty trying to pick up some serious margin here...




    I dont know how it is on your side of the pond but here aluminum is more expensive than Stainless steel. So you got that wrong. He is still using the same weight system i.e 10g/15g/20g so the ratio should be approximately the same.



    From a manufacturing standpoint I dont think he has optimized the "waste" any more than before. All designs are optimized to keep manufacturing costs down. Thats a big part on why they look like they do.




    Price per pound for aluminum may be more expensive but you get a larger block of aluminum at equal weights to stainless. I will differ to someone that knows more about market prices for 6061 Aluminum vs 303 Stainless...



    He has definitely reduced the starting block size needed for the milling of the SS parts in these putters as compared to past Futura model releases. Again, I will differ to someone that knows more about milling...



    In an economy that is seeing major margin compression across every industry you would be crazy to think they aren't looking for ways to reduce costs by using lower cost materials, optimizing production, and/or reducing waste
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  • EquiptoEquipto Members Posts: 388 ✭✭
    Really aren’t my cup of tea, but he is limiting the market for these even more by not offering a variety of neck options.
  • jordanrookiejordanrookie USAMembers Posts: 113 ✭✭
    Is the yellow highlight for these slightly different than the accent color used on the tour models we saw last week? Looks slightly more brown/muted and frankly worse.
  • MarkFromTheUKMarkFromTheUK Members Posts: 4,639 ✭✭
    Can’t think where he got the idea for the shape of that X12.
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  • PeanutsDaddyPeanutsDaddy Members Posts: 8,657 ✭✭
    edited Jan 22, 2019 7:35pm #26
    I’m in the like camp if the paintfill is changed.
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  • golf9596golf9596 Members Posts: 2,080 ✭✭
    I do like mallets and Scotty has always delivered with quality in my opinion. I'm in for the 5.5 or 7.5...
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  • BigSky59BigSky59 Members Posts: 449 ✭✭
    I want to see the ones that DIDN'T make it to the production stage...

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  • eagle2838eagle2838 Members Posts: 184 ✭✭

    Bringing this back from the dead a little bit: I agree with most of the comments here that the Phantom X's look garbage in photos, but they are far, far better in person. I want to hate them (and the bigger ones in the series do look ridiculous to me), but I was playing around with them in the shop this evening and the 5.5 sets up to the ball and rolls so, so well. The colors aren't great, but I can get past that.

    I agree that it feels wrong to pay $400+ (!) for something that is mostly aluminum, but frankly this putter had a more pleasing setup and a fantastic combination of alignment/stability and toe flow than pretty much anything I have seen. The Betty Queen Bees right now are 100x more beautiful to look at and have that expensive feel, but for me the Phantom X are almost definitely better putters for getting the ball in the hole. There might be something to these...

    Now, if we're talking modern Scotty retail blades, there is a reason I play one that is 11 years old...and the ones older than that were even better.

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  • SuperBombinSuperBombin Members Posts: 163 ✭✭

    Agree with some here that it looks terrible in photos but looks better in person. Rolled them today and just didn’t suit my style and felt they are way over priced. I’m thinking they should be around 350 range.

  • eagle2838eagle2838 Members Posts: 184 ✭✭

    @SuperBombin said:
    Agree with some here that it looks terrible in photos but looks better in person. Rolled them today and just didn’t suit my style and felt they are way over priced. I’m thinking they should be around 350 range.

    “Should be” and “what Scotty can get away with” are two different things! I totally agree with you that $350 feels much more palatable, but on the flip side if Scotty can get $429 for it from a whole bunch of people, then I guess capitalism wins.

    Doesn’t feel special but works super well and priced accordingly? Feels like the TM MO the past few years.

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