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Highly disappointed no new consumer viable launch monitors at PGA show.

Frankensteins MonsterFrankensteins Monster Members Posts: 6,690 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭
edited Jan 23, 2019 6:33pm in GPS/Range Finders/Mobile Apps #1
Was really looking forward to a possible game changer. Garmin isn't it.
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  • dbdorsdbdors Houston, Clear Lake areaClubWRX Posts: 1,912 ClubWRX
    edited Jan 23, 2019 6:05pm #2
    Did you see the Garmin G80? Not saying its a game changer, but a novel idea for sure. Has me thinking about it and I don't think I'd get much use out a personal launch monitor. http://www.golfwrx.com/forums/topic/1735016-garmin-approach-g80/
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    Woods: Callaway Rogue Sub Zero 8*, Fujikura Ventus 6, stiff: TM M5, 13*, Diamana Thump 75, stiff
    Hybrids: TEE CBX 3H (20d), 4H (22d), Project X Hzrdus Black Hybrid 85 6.0
    Irons: TM M6, 5-GW, Accra 80i, stiff
    Wedges: Cleveland CBX 54* (bent to 55*), 60*, Accra 80i, stiff
    Putter: Evnroll ER1.2 355g, 33", KBS CT Tour Putter Matte Black, Sense S1 grip
    Ball: Wilson Duo Professional in green & yellow
    Bag/Cart: '18 Ping Hoofer/BagBoy Quad XL
    Accessories: Garmin G8/Nikon Coolshot Pro Stabilized
  • Frankensteins MonsterFrankensteins Monster Members Posts: 6,690 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭
    dbdors wrote:


    Did you see the Garmin G80? Not saying its a game changer, but a novel idea for sure. Has me thinking about it and I don't think I'd get much use out a personal launch monitor. http://www.golfwrx.com/forums/topic/1735016-garmin-approach-g80/




    I meant Garmin in my OP.
  • YoungJediYoungJedi Members Posts: 1,449 ✭✭✭✭✭✭
    Accurate “affordable” launch monitors aren’t cheap. That why they haven’t come out at the prices mass consumers want. Not feasible from a busiensss standpoint.
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  • new2g0lfnew2g0lf Members Posts: 3,440 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭
    It's a limited market and there's no business sense in releasing a fully functional inexpensive model for consumers that could / would replace the more expensive models used at pro shops, instructors and golf stores.



    Mevo and SC300 are likely the closest we get to under $1000 with SkyTrak at the next tier.
    Driver - Home Ping G410 + 9.5*   Away Ping G400 Max 10*
    Woods - XXIO 10 3W
    Hybrids - XXIO 10 3H, 4H, 5H
    Irons - Home - PXG Gen 2 0311P 5-SW   Away - Callaway Apex CF-19 5-SW
    Wedge - PXG 58* 
    Putter - Seemore Nashville mFGP2 SS Mallet Black
    Ball - KSig, TM TP5X, Snell MTB
  • HidekiWoodsHidekiWoods Members Posts: 255 ✭✭✭✭
    Sc300 looks promising at $500
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    Apex Hybrid
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  • Xander_ReignsXander_Reigns Members Posts: 101 ✭✭
    The Mevo is pretty darn accurate. It has some issues with extreme spin, club speed, and ball speed, but it is generally quite reliable. I would guess that it would work well for 99% of the people on these boards.
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  • YrrdeadYrrdead Better Living Through Chemistry Members Posts: 1,634 ✭✭✭✭✭✭
    I would say that having a new established company jump into the fray is the biggest news since skytrak/rapsodo.



    Plus like has been mentioned the continued positive iterations of sc1/2/300 is promising especially @ <$1000.
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  • Frankensteins MonsterFrankensteins Monster Members Posts: 6,690 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭
    Yrrdead wrote:


    I would say that having a new established company jump into the fray is the biggest news since skytrak/rapsodo.



    Plus like has been mentioned the continued positive iterations of sc1/2/300 is promising especially @ <$1000.




    Garmin jumping in, if that’s who you’re talking about, is great, but the fact that it’s a combined device means concessions were made some where, and I believe a separate device would have been better. If this is them dipping their toes into the market with stand alone, more comprehensive devices to come in the future, I’m all for it.
  • dbdorsdbdors Houston, Clear Lake areaClubWRX Posts: 1,912 ClubWRX
    Is there any details about the Voice Caddie SC300. Keep hearing that it's coming, but not a single detail that I can find.

    Woods: Callaway Rogue Sub Zero 8*, Fujikura Ventus 6, stiff: TM M5, 13*, Diamana Thump 75, stiff
    Hybrids: TEE CBX 3H (20d), 4H (22d), Project X Hzrdus Black Hybrid 85 6.0
    Irons: TM M6, 5-GW, Accra 80i, stiff
    Wedges: Cleveland CBX 54* (bent to 55*), 60*, Accra 80i, stiff
    Putter: Evnroll ER1.2 355g, 33", KBS CT Tour Putter Matte Black, Sense S1 grip
    Ball: Wilson Duo Professional in green & yellow
    Bag/Cart: '18 Ping Hoofer/BagBoy Quad XL
    Accessories: Garmin G8/Nikon Coolshot Pro Stabilized
  • new2g0lfnew2g0lf Members Posts: 3,440 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭
    dbdors wrote:


    Is there any details about the Voice Caddie SC300. Keep hearing that it's coming, but not a single detail that I can find.






    The new SC300 is redesigned and now directly measures Launch Angle and Apex! Also it has an App now too for Spin and other uses.



    "Swing Caddie's latest rendition of its top-selling portable launch monitor is the SC300. In addition to the key metrics of carry/total distance, swing speed, ball speed, and smash factor, the fully revamped SC300 adds launch angle and apex, and with a fully robust app (the SC300 can be used with or without the app) also measures spin rate. Also included are distance voice output, adjustable loft angles, barometric pressure sensors, precision Doppler Radar technology and a full stats module."




    Price[background=rgb(235, 244, 249)]: $499.99[/background]
    Driver - Home Ping G410 + 9.5*   Away Ping G400 Max 10*
    Woods - XXIO 10 3W
    Hybrids - XXIO 10 3H, 4H, 5H
    Irons - Home - PXG Gen 2 0311P 5-SW   Away - Callaway Apex CF-19 5-SW
    Wedge - PXG 58* 
    Putter - Seemore Nashville mFGP2 SS Mallet Black
    Ball - KSig, TM TP5X, Snell MTB
  • dbdorsdbdors Houston, Clear Lake areaClubWRX Posts: 1,912 ClubWRX
    edited Jan 28, 2019 12:16pm #12
    new2g0lf wrote:

    dbdors wrote:


    Is there any details about the Voice Caddie SC300. Keep hearing that it's coming, but not a single detail that I can find.






    The new SC300 is redesigned and now directly measures Launch Angle and Apex! Also it has an App now too for Spin and other uses.



    "Swing Caddie's latest rendition of its top-selling portable launch monitor is the SC300. In addition to the key metrics of carry/total distance, swing speed, ball speed, and smash factor, the fully revamped SC300 adds launch angle and apex, and with a fully robust app (the SC300 can be used with or without the app) also measures spin rate. Also included are distance voice output, adjustable loft angles, barometric pressure sensors, precision Doppler Radar technology and a full stats module."




    Price[background=rgb(235, 244, 249)]: $499.99[/background]


    Do you have a link? Is it on their website some where? I used that text above, and found a Golfweek picture and desciption, but when not on Voice Caddie.

    Woods: Callaway Rogue Sub Zero 8*, Fujikura Ventus 6, stiff: TM M5, 13*, Diamana Thump 75, stiff
    Hybrids: TEE CBX 3H (20d), 4H (22d), Project X Hzrdus Black Hybrid 85 6.0
    Irons: TM M6, 5-GW, Accra 80i, stiff
    Wedges: Cleveland CBX 54* (bent to 55*), 60*, Accra 80i, stiff
    Putter: Evnroll ER1.2 355g, 33", KBS CT Tour Putter Matte Black, Sense S1 grip
    Ball: Wilson Duo Professional in green & yellow
    Bag/Cart: '18 Ping Hoofer/BagBoy Quad XL
    Accessories: Garmin G8/Nikon Coolshot Pro Stabilized
  • new2g0lfnew2g0lf Members Posts: 3,440 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭
    dbdors wrote:

    new2g0lf wrote:

    dbdors wrote:


    Is there any details about the Voice Caddie SC300. Keep hearing that it's coming, but not a single detail that I can find.






    The new SC300 is redesigned and now directly measures Launch Angle and Apex! Also it has an App now too for Spin and other uses.



    "Swing Caddie's latest rendition of its top-selling portable launch monitor is the SC300. In addition to the key metrics of carry/total distance, swing speed, ball speed, and smash factor, the fully revamped SC300 adds launch angle and apex, and with a fully robust app (the SC300 can be used with or without the app) also measures spin rate. Also included are distance voice output, adjustable loft angles, barometric pressure sensors, precision Doppler Radar technology and a full stats module."




    Price[background=rgb(235, 244, 249)]: $499.99[/background]


    Do you have a link? Is it on their website some where?




    https://fccid.io/2ABTKSC300/User-Manual/User-Manual-4034574
    Driver - Home Ping G410 + 9.5*   Away Ping G400 Max 10*
    Woods - XXIO 10 3W
    Hybrids - XXIO 10 3H, 4H, 5H
    Irons - Home - PXG Gen 2 0311P 5-SW   Away - Callaway Apex CF-19 5-SW
    Wedge - PXG 58* 
    Putter - Seemore Nashville mFGP2 SS Mallet Black
    Ball - KSig, TM TP5X, Snell MTB
  • dbdorsdbdors Houston, Clear Lake areaClubWRX Posts: 1,912 ClubWRX
    This is what I found, https://www.mydigitalpublication.com/publication/?i=539159&p=17#{%22page%22:16,%22issue_id%22:539159}

    Woods: Callaway Rogue Sub Zero 8*, Fujikura Ventus 6, stiff: TM M5, 13*, Diamana Thump 75, stiff
    Hybrids: TEE CBX 3H (20d), 4H (22d), Project X Hzrdus Black Hybrid 85 6.0
    Irons: TM M6, 5-GW, Accra 80i, stiff
    Wedges: Cleveland CBX 54* (bent to 55*), 60*, Accra 80i, stiff
    Putter: Evnroll ER1.2 355g, 33", KBS CT Tour Putter Matte Black, Sense S1 grip
    Ball: Wilson Duo Professional in green & yellow
    Bag/Cart: '18 Ping Hoofer/BagBoy Quad XL
    Accessories: Garmin G8/Nikon Coolshot Pro Stabilized
  • dbdorsdbdors Houston, Clear Lake areaClubWRX Posts: 1,912 ClubWRX
    Looks like the first review is out:

    Woods: Callaway Rogue Sub Zero 8*, Fujikura Ventus 6, stiff: TM M5, 13*, Diamana Thump 75, stiff
    Hybrids: TEE CBX 3H (20d), 4H (22d), Project X Hzrdus Black Hybrid 85 6.0
    Irons: TM M6, 5-GW, Accra 80i, stiff
    Wedges: Cleveland CBX 54* (bent to 55*), 60*, Accra 80i, stiff
    Putter: Evnroll ER1.2 355g, 33", KBS CT Tour Putter Matte Black, Sense S1 grip
    Ball: Wilson Duo Professional in green & yellow
    Bag/Cart: '18 Ping Hoofer/BagBoy Quad XL
    Accessories: Garmin G8/Nikon Coolshot Pro Stabilized
  • Frankensteins MonsterFrankensteins Monster Members Posts: 6,690 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭
    dbdors wrote:


    Looks like the first review is out: https://youtu.be/l_WbQfYz2GU




    Thanks for the link. Other than showing what the unit looks like, and it's relative size, not much went into the reviewing. It's more like he was paid to make a video.
  • dbdorsdbdors Houston, Clear Lake areaClubWRX Posts: 1,912 ClubWRX

    dbdors wrote:


    Looks like the first review is out: https://youtu.be/l_WbQfYz2GU




    Thanks for the link. Other than showing what the unit looks like, and it's relative size, not much went into the reviewing. It's more like he was paid to make a video.


    Agreed, not really a review, more like "why you need a personal launch monitor". I'm sure better reviews are on the way. He cant be the only one that got one to review.

    Woods: Callaway Rogue Sub Zero 8*, Fujikura Ventus 6, stiff: TM M5, 13*, Diamana Thump 75, stiff
    Hybrids: TEE CBX 3H (20d), 4H (22d), Project X Hzrdus Black Hybrid 85 6.0
    Irons: TM M6, 5-GW, Accra 80i, stiff
    Wedges: Cleveland CBX 54* (bent to 55*), 60*, Accra 80i, stiff
    Putter: Evnroll ER1.2 355g, 33", KBS CT Tour Putter Matte Black, Sense S1 grip
    Ball: Wilson Duo Professional in green & yellow
    Bag/Cart: '18 Ping Hoofer/BagBoy Quad XL
    Accessories: Garmin G8/Nikon Coolshot Pro Stabilized
  • Ping ZingsPing Zings Members Posts: 837 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Tag for updates.
  • clinkinfoclinkinfo Members Posts: 694 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Xander_Reigns said:
    The Mevo is pretty darn accurate. It has some issues with extreme spin, club speed, and ball speed, but it is generally quite reliable. I would guess that it would work well for 99% of the people on these boards.

    Mevo is excellent actually, I agree BUT it's got 2 major issues. 1. Since it can't see side spin, it can't interpret fades and draws. 2. There is no practice/simulation mode. The second issue would seem to be easy for them to fix in software, but they don't for some reason. Even if they just passed the swing results to a golf game that already exists like skytrak does....I wish it had something like the virtual round in the garmin.

  • GolfjackGolfjack All about the rotation Members Posts: 1,194 ✭✭✭✭✭✭

    Main thing I learned from the reviews that was surprising was the Trackman and GC Quad aren't accurate all the time either. There's no perfect one. Just the best one. The Mevo size is the best for regular golfers. If they would ever add on the side spin then it would work for many many users. There are still the guys who want the best accuracy, and there are the rest who will pay 1000 USD for 85-90% accurate instead of 20,000 USD for 95% accurate.

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    Mizuno MP-15 4, 5 iron, Project X LZ 6.5
    Mizuno MP-5 6-PW, Project X LZ 6.5
    Wedges Mizuno T7 50, 56, 60
    Honma HP 1002

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  • Ba2Ba2 Members Posts: 5 ✭✭

    Hello all. Indeed no launch monitor is always perfect. Measurement is hard to do well. There are new entrants all the time and I believe there will be new stuff emerging eventually at price points where every golfer can afford.

  • puresurfrpuresurfr Members Posts: 2,010 ✭✭✭✭✭✭

    I have a Garmin G80 and it works pretty well. there is a new LM from Rapsodo that looks good

    https://rapsodo.com/golf?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIhJiimO6b5AIVtx-tBh26rQvdEAAYASAAEgIRsvD_BwE

  • dbdorsdbdors Houston, Clear Lake areaClubWRX Posts: 1,912 ClubWRX

    @puresurfr said:
    I have a Garmin G80 and it works pretty well. there is a new LM from Rapsodo that looks good

    https://rapsodo.com/golf?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIhJiimO6b5AIVtx-tBh26rQvdEAAYASAAEgIRsvD_BwE

    That looks interesting, first time seeing this device. Great that there is more competition. Also, I wonder if these smaller companies are more freedom to make more accurate machines since they don't compromise sales of their more expensive devices. For example, the Mevo could never be as good as the Flightscope as it would Flightscope sales.
    I'm sure there are some limitations due to package size, etc., but more competition is bound to make the smaller units better.


    Woods: Callaway Rogue Sub Zero 8*, Fujikura Ventus 6, stiff: TM M5, 13*, Diamana Thump 75, stiff
    Hybrids: TEE CBX 3H (20d), 4H (22d), Project X Hzrdus Black Hybrid 85 6.0
    Irons: TM M6, 5-GW, Accra 80i, stiff
    Wedges: Cleveland CBX 54* (bent to 55*), 60*, Accra 80i, stiff
    Putter: Evnroll ER1.2 355g, 33", KBS CT Tour Putter Matte Black, Sense S1 grip
    Ball: Wilson Duo Professional in green & yellow
    Bag/Cart: '18 Ping Hoofer/BagBoy Quad XL
    Accessories: Garmin G8/Nikon Coolshot Pro Stabilized
  • puresurfrpuresurfr Members Posts: 2,010 ✭✭✭✭✭✭

    Limitations of the Rapsodo is that it can only be used outdoors and I think it has to be placed 8' behind u. I don't mind the outdoors part but the 8' will be a problem because the driving ranges I practice at do not have 8' of room, I would have to place the unit on the walkway

  • dbdorsdbdors Houston, Clear Lake areaClubWRX Posts: 1,912 ClubWRX
    edited Aug 28, 2019 2:35am #25

    @puresurfr said:
    Limitations of the Rapsodo is that it can only be used outdoors and I think it has to be placed 8' behind u. I don't mind the outdoors part but the 8' will be a problem because the driving ranges I practice at do not have 8' of room, I would have to place the unit on the walkway

    The 8' is likely needed for the camera. Hard to get your full body in frame 3' behind you.
    @ about 1:19, "as long as you can see the body and the ball, you're good"
    And the outdoor is it needs to see the ball for 80 feet. I know that would be a pain for indoor use, but I think its a good thing, i.e. reading the ball flight for longer distance.


    Woods: Callaway Rogue Sub Zero 8*, Fujikura Ventus 6, stiff: TM M5, 13*, Diamana Thump 75, stiff
    Hybrids: TEE CBX 3H (20d), 4H (22d), Project X Hzrdus Black Hybrid 85 6.0
    Irons: TM M6, 5-GW, Accra 80i, stiff
    Wedges: Cleveland CBX 54* (bent to 55*), 60*, Accra 80i, stiff
    Putter: Evnroll ER1.2 355g, 33", KBS CT Tour Putter Matte Black, Sense S1 grip
    Ball: Wilson Duo Professional in green & yellow
    Bag/Cart: '18 Ping Hoofer/BagBoy Quad XL
    Accessories: Garmin G8/Nikon Coolshot Pro Stabilized
  • Ba2Ba2 Members Posts: 5 ✭✭

    If you don’t mind to be in the picture 5-6ft should still work. Make sure you align the ball and target line such that you don’t hit out of the camera vision quickly.

    @puresurfr said:
    Limitations of the Rapsodo is that it can only be used outdoors and I think it has to be placed 8' behind u. I don't mind the outdoors part but the 8' will be a problem because the driving ranges I practice at do not have 8' of room, I would have to place the unit on the walkway

  • Ba2Ba2 Members Posts: 5 ✭✭

    @dbdors said:
    That looks interesting, first time seeing this device. Great that there is more competition. Also, I wonder if these smaller companies are more freedom to make more accurate machines since they don't compromise sales of their more expensive devices. For example, the Mevo could never be as good as the Flightscope as it would Flightscope sales.
    I'm sure there are some limitations due to package size, etc., but more competition is bound to make the smaller units better.

    Rapsodo is maker of Skytrak.

  • LAslicerLAslicer Members Posts: 54 ✭✭

    @puresurfr said:
    I have a Garmin G80 and it works pretty well. there is a new LM from Rapsodo that looks good

    https://rapsodo.com/golf?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIhJiimO6b5AIVtx-tBh26rQvdEAAYASAAEgIRsvD_BwE

    This looks nice. I really like the ball tracer on the live video.

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